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Author Topic: Edwin Vincent Gray's conversion tube  (Read 48489 times)
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Hi guy's  :)

Here are some pics of my conversion tube and the capacitors + oil filled transformers.
I have done some testing with intresting results. but more tests need to be done.

Also Here is a nice collection of pictures:

http://www.universalpower.webs.com/gallery/Edwin%20Vincent%20Gray/index.html

Marco.

« Last Edit: 2009-12-15, 19:08:29 by Turbo »
   
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Nice job on the Gray tube. Also looks like you scored some decent HV transformers. What kVA rating are they? And secondary voltage?
Be careful man those things look deadly.....but I'm sure you are very experienced around HV. Hope to see some of those interesting results.

Regards.....ION


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Hi Marco

Good to see you over here, nice build thanks for showing us.

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Frequency equals matter...
Shows up alot of places.
If this configuration appears with alot of people who made claims, including Telsa(Ahem). Why does this not show up in the experimenters arena?
The perpetraitors of this design copied Tesla.
L1 is 1/4 the length of L2. This means that the L1 drive entails the electron clockwise spin or the magnetic part if the sine.



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Hi Guy's  :)

@ION

The Transformers put out 3Kv at 6ma.
They are not so deadly...But the caps are  :)
I have 3 of them.

@Paul

The picture you just posted reminds me of the same setup Eric P Dollard used in his experiments.
He reffers to it as the balanced coil system, and he explaines the charges moves too fast over the windings that there is a chocking effect on the electrons so they can't move that fast and this gives rise to the cold curent...

He also respects the primary divided or equal multiple of secondary coil rules..

Marco.
« Last Edit: 2009-12-16, 00:43:18 by Turbo »
   

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@Marco,
I see nothing but air core. Same as Smith's.


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Hi Marco,

Nice! mein Gott, that cap looks punchy and dangerous.
   

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The Grey tube may be similar to the Optical Generator of Patents 3781601 and 4260933.   If so, additional capacitance between the arc gap electrodes may make a difference in the Grey Tube as may placing the gap in the center of the screen, and filling the space of the tube with a noble gas.  Helium is readily available at stores in balloon kits.   Just vacuum out the air and back-fill with He.



   
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What makes you think Gray's tubes were filled with a noble gas?

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What makes you think Gray's tubes were filled with a noble gas?

Marco.

I thought that noble gases may increase the polarization radiation.  (They would also alter the permittivity inside the tube.)  Whenever a gas is "polarized" or "ionized" some form of radiation is emitted and often several forms.

A solenoid coil around the tube would alter the permeability of the space in the tube and may prove beneficial.

Increasing the permittivity or permeability of space also alters the speed of propagation of energy travelling throug it - slowing it down.  So the oil in the Optical generators will slow down anything radiating from the gap an the oil will also be polarized and might be constantly repolarized, providing charge to the outer can.

Radiation can transfer "momentum" from a photon or particle to another photon or particle (this includes virtual photons that make up fields).  Repeated "radiation" becomes cumulative and if you can keep your little carrier energized it can keep transferring momentum - hint hint.

Both the Grey tube and the optical generator in the two patents referenced show a continuously charge collector.  "Collector" is a term used to describe something that receives radiation (from an emitter - for example).  Radiation may be particulate or photonic and is produced whenever something changes velocity (is accelerated or decelerated as in bremsstrahlung).

So, RE is probably "polarization radiation" which is photonic - hence the "neutral particles" that don't deflect.  It's cause is the sudden change in polarization of the circuit and the amount of polarizable constituents as well as their degree of polarizability.   (Xenon has a high degree of polarizabilty.)
   
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This gas thing applies more to the correa's PAGD tube then to the Gray tube.
We know the PAGD tube is filled with argon.

The Gray tube uses perforated recieving grids.
There is no indication that it contained any noble gas.

Also, my bet is on the electrons, not the photons.
If you shoot one electron towards another it has to move....you can never put two in the same place.(kinetic)
But you can squeeze as much photons in a box as you like....(radiation)

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This gas thing applies more to the correa's PAGD tube then to the Gray tube.
We know the PAGD tube is filled with argon.

The Gray tube uses perforated recieving grids.
There is no indication that it contained any noble gas.

Also, my bet is on the electrons, not the photons.
If you shoot one electron towards another it has to move....you can never put two in the same place.(kinetic)
But you can squeeze as much photons in a box as you like....(radiation)

Marco.

The Grey tube uses more than one grid connected together.  Anything with high "momentum" will transfer energy to something else it hits - like a photon hitting an electron.  If the photon has more energy than the electron can take, then the photon may continue through the material.  Also, the electron that got hit may emit a photon which may hit the next grid.  I do not thnk that Grey actually used a noble gas, only that he could have had he wanted to, and suggesting that you try it with a noble gas.

Photons are the momentum carriers (also called simply the "force carriers" of electromagnetism).

You can bet your ass that "electrons" are not coming off a coil that you hit with a monster pulse, it is not electrons that charge caps and batteries that are not connected to the circuit, and that they are not penetrating the oil dielectric of the Optical Generator, and also that they were not vaporizing the aluminum foil that Tesla held near his Magnifier coils.

Do you have a photomultiplier tube?  If not, I'll find th info on the Vortex1 RE detector. 

The re-triggering of semiconductor devices (especially optocouplers) is also not caused by electrons.

Come on Bro!  Time to move past the "electron hurdle"...
   
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Come on Bro!  Time to move past the "electron hurdle"...


I don't think so,

There are some rules in QT/QED that explain the phenomena of secondary emission.
This is for example the pauli exclusion principle.
It states that no two identical fermions may occupy the same quantum state simultaneously.
Since electrons are fermions this rule boils down to the simple rule that no two electrons may exist at the same place at the same time.
So if one fires one electron at another one, the second one has to move because they cannot exist in the same place.
Try doing that with just one photon...
This is a good explenation how momentum is being transferred between particles.
It's like the guy that shoots a billiard ball aimed at the triangle formation and they all move because they cant exist at the same place.(kinetic)
You could compare the movement of the other balls with secondary emission.

Note *This is extremly Stiff as it has NO place for compression, you cannot squeeze more electrons into a box that is already full.(not exactly but it willdo in kid's classroom)


Now things can become tricky because bosons are said to be the real force carriers.
They transfer the interaction between particles.(radiation)
You mentioned particulary Photons.
They are the force carriers of an electromagnetic field correct.
Now we know from both the photovoltaic and the photoelectric effects that they are able to move electrons.

But Note *This is extremly flexible as this situation allowes compression.
You can squeeze more and more photons into a box...(laser etc.) Again.

So if i look at the gray tube and i do not like to use the word "probably" then i would say it runs on secondary emmision.
Electrons, not Photons.
Why? because you got to have one hell of alot of photons to do the same with just one electron...

Some of my test have shown that the spark accellerates electrons to a point that is far beyond the speed they could ever get in and around wire, where are the photons? there is some RF but it doesn't beat it, and the magnetic field confirms..Remember? i know you did that experiment,i have a good memory..I even remember you said you will never look at it this way again.....
If they do reach that speed close to a wire,it would evaporate...(sounds familiar?)
So these ultra high speed electrons hit the center anode which is filled with free electrons and they are launched like billiard balls towards the recieving grids.
Same principle is at work in Philco Pharnswort's Multipactor.

The impact of the secondary electrons change the charge of the recieving grids.
In this situation nature has to restore balance because there is a potential diffrence between the grids and the environment.
An unconventional flow of energy will result.
The grid capacitance only plays a part when AC/RF is used not when one uses high voltage DC.

So this is my oppinion about the Gray tube and what it does.
If you think you got better ways i suggest you try them.
You can't just poke others to try your ways.. they got ideas of their own.
If you think you can make it work then do so....at least that is what i am trying and i like to test my own things.

Marco.

Ps I will use noble gas in the PAGD and Plasmatron tubes,but not in the Gray tube.
It would be best if we manage to generate the effect in open air since evacuating tubes makes it harder.
And both paradoxes are explaind by Heisenberg's uncertainty principle.
« Last Edit: 2009-12-18, 23:43:49 by Turbo »
   

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Let's leave the explanations to the physicist that get paid to figure it out.



   
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Fine  ;)

It realy doesn't matter how it works or what it does,all that matters for me is making it work...
But i am going to do correa & chernetski first.

Marco.

« Last Edit: 2009-12-23, 20:05:02 by Turbo »
   
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Shows up alot of places.
If this configuration appears with alot of people who made claims, including Telsa(Ahem). Why does this not show up in the experimenters arena?
The perpetraitors of this design copied Tesla.
L1 is 1/4 the length of L2. This means that the L1 drive entails the electron clockwise spin or the magnetic part if the sine.



tesla states it is 1/4 wave of the INTRUPTION AKA FREQ OF OPERATION  not coils nor primary ...  pick a freq .. a resonant core at desired freq ..  then wind output about core ..

plain and simple ... 

you can get nutz and tune it mass to mass inductive imballance .. then go 1/4 wave  if your nutz enough ... 

lol

IST

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the tube marco has built is an eather spark gap .. 

non vaccume ..

the spark charges the cap or powers the load .. from the discharged cap via gap ..

quench the darn thing ! 

carefull

ist

you can do the same thing with a jt wound on a flyback .. and a aa battery ..

   
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