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Author Topic: Magnetic Field in a Capacitor - Magnetic field of Displacement Current  (Read 16300 times)
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It's turtles all the way down
I wound a length of 10 ga. wire with twin lead speaker cable and used a cloth rope as a 1/16 inch uniform separator between turns.
The gold is the cloth rope between twin lead winds

Capacitance turned out to be 120 pF between the twin lead wires and 120 pF between the 10 ga wire and the twin lead.

I could find no charge buildup on the twin lead when running a 4 amp DC current into the 10 ga, nor could I find any DC current flow in the 10 ga. when I applied a HV DC or ramping DC between the twin lead wires.

See attachment.

WW: where do I go from here?


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The twin-lead should be open-ended. Can't tell if it is in your pic.

Your wrap is where I was much earlier. The capacitance between twin-lead turns is cancelling anything produced by the wrap. I suggest trying for a conductor spacing between turns of 2 to 2.5X the distance between the conductors in the twin-lead.

The loop is completely isolated from the twin-lead? (except for capacitive coupling).

BTW: I use isolated active scope probes on this type of experiment. You can get much the same capability by summing two scope channels.
 
No part of the DUT can be connected to ground or capacitive coupled to a metal bench top.

I suggest you not throw any money or much time into this until I can find some configuration that assures some definite level of positive result.


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Frequency equals matter...
I was going to produce a document to publish and be my own prairie dog. Now wouldn't that be kinda stupidly suicidal?

SM never mentioned antenna.

Here's my bomb:
Study the parameters of helical antenna design and you get to peer behind the TPU curtain.
And then there is this doco:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regenerative_circuit#Advantages_and_applications

SM stated 5khz, DC with hash. THe ontime of the trigger circuit is DC. This in turn activates the jfet Osc at 6Mhz, hash.

And here is the rotating field:
Russian site:http://www.eh-antenna.com/EH_HZ.pdf
Try this one: http://ehant.qrz.ru/book.pdf
http://kambing.ui.ac.id/onnopurbo/orari-diklat/teknik/antenna/eh-antenna/eh-antenna-book/EH%20antenna%20-%20the%20Book.pdf
And here is a partial TPU schematic:
Page 315 diagram 15-11. PDF page 328
http://www.apparentlyapparel.com/uploads/5/3/5/6/5356442/_____practical_antenna_handbook_fourth_edition_carr.pdf

All is well that ends well. Unfortunately the human race doesn't have enough time on this planet to utilize this forbidden technology.

I have been paralleling SM statements with my current build.
The activity of the magnet are 2. The placement and the swiping. The placement triggers the circuit. The swiping merely shows the iron wire. That's all.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDnQYiYpNu4&feature=youtu.be[/youtube]
« Last Edit: 2014-09-14, 23:50:23 by giantkiller »


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The twin-lead should be open-ended. Can't tell if it is in your pic.

Your wrap is where I was much earlier. The capacitance between twin-lead turns is cancelling anything produced by the wrap. I suggest trying for a conductor spacing between turns of 2 to 2.5X the distance between the conductors in the twin-lead.

The loop is completely isolated from the twin-lead? (except for capacitive coupling).

BTW: I use isolated active scope probes on this type of experiment. You can get much the same capability by summing two scope channels.
 
No part of the DUT can be connected to ground or capacitive coupled to a metal bench top.

I suggest you not throw any money or much time into this until I can find some configuration that assures some definite level of positive result.

Yes, my twin wire was open ended, but I did use a grounded scope lead. I will try again with a differential amplifier, and use a battery to drive the heavy wire loop.

Do you have any numbers you can throw out or a picture of your device for a better starting point?

GK:

I have also been thinking along the lines of a regenerative circuit. Are you running it in the audio or RF range. Can you show any results?

BTW, the second link doesn't work for me, "page not found" error.


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Sorry, the 'Honey Do' list got the better of me this weekend.

I stripped my experiment to work on keeping the E field pointing one direction only. I still don't have a method that works. The current idea is to have multiple isolated T-line sections sequentially fired.

One thing is clear... A method of increasing the capacitive surface is needed unless I can find a dielectric material that has some magnetic properties.

Again, the whole idea is to produce the same field around the wire as that created when current flows through the wire. At this point, I don't think it is as simple as that depicted on all the graphic examples found in the literature.



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