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It's not as complicated as it may seem...
Related to Tinman's RT perhaps. Per Chet's request.

A good start for those not familiar with the device.
   
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I thought that this years old device was discredited rubbish.
   
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Do you have first hand info about this "rubbish" ??
Lately I tend to look at fraud , scam and Rubbish claims from the past with a different perspective.

I am told that 3-6 independent labs were involved at the time and it would be good to just clear the air from
"Rubbish Claims" or claims based on hearsay ?

quite certain there will be input from members here with first hand knowledge ??
if not then we will look further and speak to whomever does know to find the truth from the Top Down.

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Chet K

   

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I looked at Engineers, Walt Rosenthal and Parke Cole disinfo claims and couldn't stop laughing.
Does anyone seriously believe that the Lutec inventors spent thousands of hours and thousands of dollars of their
own money and did not do extensive input - output measurements??

It makes me realise that the believers of such disinfo are graduates of the university of "Duuuuuuh".

So wake up chaps and study the patent.
Remember that a rotary device is a "reactive" energy device.


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I looked at Engineers, Walt Rosenthal and Parke Cole disinfo claims and couldn't stop laughing.
That's interesting... I feel the same way about the disinfo claims coming from Lutec and all the other magic pulsemotor builders who can't actually prove their claims to real engineers.
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Does anyone seriously believe that the Lutec inventors spent thousands of hours and thousands of dollars of their
own money and did not do extensive input - output measurements??
It certainly wouldn't be the first time something like that happened. And when you bring in the deliberate fraud hypothesis, well...
do the math.
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It makes me realise that the believers of such disinfo are graduates of the university of "Duuuuuuh".
The disinfo is coming from the believers, not the skeptics. Do you really think I'm a "graduate of the university of Duuuuuh"? If so then I'm really in the wrong place.
What is  keeping the Lutec boys from performing and presenting _proper_ measurements, for example using a proper
power analyzer? What is preventing them from daisy-chaining multiple units, each running off the output of the previous one in the chain and eventually producing all the power one might want, on just the input to the first unit?
Only the laws of physics, that's all. NOT the laws of men.
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So wake up chaps and study the patent.
Remember that a rotary device is a "reactive" energy device.

The patent clearly doesn't contain the critical information needed to make an overunity pulse motor, or someone else would
have done so by now, using the information in the patent.
I have studied the patent, by the way, and I can't imagine why it was even granted, since there is nothing novel or useful in it. The  mechanical means of varying the brush timing and dwell is the only thing that is in the least bit "novel" and in the final end is actually just a kludge that can be done more easily in other ways.
Ditto for that other patent, the sparker thing, that gotoluc and Err-on and a few others wrote up and filed. It's all prior art, repackaged using
different gobbledegook.

Here's a challenge. Hire me to test a genuine, Lutec-built and certified device using approved techniques, and I'll write up a full report, either way it comes out. You can ship the device to me and when I'm done I'll send it back.

 C.C


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The Adams motor was a similar device:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01oXbxqNB2w

Please have a look at what the replicators say in their description.


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This is the adams motor patent which is very similar to the Lutec patent:
GB2282708

http://www.intalek.com/Index/Projects/Patents/GB2282708.pdf

Again the claim of overunity.
« Last Edit: 2015-07-30, 00:32:45 by Aking.21 »


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At First glance that Adams motor patent "Application" looks interesting. But it is an application for a patent I think.

Anyway the patent application is a bit long and confusing can anyone put forward a "Theory of Operation" in simple terms, in text ?

Just a explanation of how it works.

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Adams

http://www.angelfire.com/ak5/energy21/adamsmotor.htm

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Attraction to Stator Core:- The permanent magnet rotor is attracted to a wound stator core. No electrical current is supplied. The kinetic energy gained comes from the intrinsic ferromagnetic state of the magnet, and is 'on loan,' and must be paid back at the stator. In other words, to remove the magnet from the stator, an equal amount of energy must be inputted to separate the magnet from the core.  This is where the energy 'loan,' made in stage one, is normally paid back. The laws of conservation of energy state this.
    Demagnetization of Stator Core:- When the rotor magnet is in register with the stator core, the timing circuit is closed and a current pulse is delivered to the stator coils. The stator is wired such that the current flow creates an opposing magnetic field to that of the rotor magnet. This works to offset the magnetization induced in the stator core across the air gap. The stator coils 'dull' the field induced in the stator core, and can even overcome it and provide repulsion at sufficient voltage. Consequently, the total current cancels out much if not all of the drag back of the rotor to the stator, and the rotor is capable of 'free wheeling,' out of the stator zone using the remaining inertia gained in stage one. The magic is that this current pulse is complemented by additional current freely induced in the stator windings by the rotor magnets, which as per the dictates of Lenz's law ( 1834), opposes the force that induced it. THIS IS WHERE THE OVER-UNITY EFFECT HAPPENS, AT THE MOMENT OF SWITCH CLOSURE! The permanent magnets in effect provide free precharge to the motor circuitry when in register!
    Recovery:- Now the rotor has moved away form the stator zone, the timing circuit is open again, the stator windings lose power, and stator core reverts to its default magnetized state. Restart at stage 1.

Lutec
http://nexusilluminati.blogspot.co.uk/2010/02/new-magnetic-electric-device-can-power.html

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In order to gain an understanding of the operation of a LEA (Lutec Electricity Amplifier) it must be understood that there are actually three separate and completely individual events occurring in the one machine. Each of the three is equally important because without one of them operating in a completely synchronistical manner with the others, the end result would not achieve the efficiency levels required.

Each of the three events should first be viewed in isolation and then when they are drawn together as they are in the LEA, an understanding of the operating principles will become clear.

The First Event is a Pulsed DC Motor.
The Second Event is an AC generator.
The Third Event is the result of the impact of the Second on the First.

THE FIRST EVENT: A Pulsed DC Motor.

A DC input current either from a battery bank or from rectified AC mains is supplied to a DC motor comprised in this case of four fixed position stator coils, and a rotor with four equally spaced imbedded rare earth permanent magnets of a particular strength.

The input is pulsed by a rotating switch (commutated) allowing the DC input current to flow through the motor coils for a percentage of one cycle as dictated by the actual ON period of the commutator contacts. In most cases this is around 0.2 of a cycle. The electron flow in this DC circuit is negative to positive and so the negative lead is permanently connected to the coil/s.

The DC pulse causes a magnetic effect in the coil core so that the temporary polarisation of the coils laminated steel core has the effect of repulsing the magnetically aligned permanent magnet embedded in the rotor so causing it to rotate.

The DC pulse is completely consumed by this action which is the cause of the rotor spinning.

So the single result of the consumed DC input pulse is that it initiates the motor moment.

THE SECOND EVENT: An AC Generator.

The same coils used for the motor section in the first Event are used to generate the Second Event that being an AC power output. The rotor containing the permanent magnets is caused to be driven past the stator coils by the motor, at which time induction occurs in the coils producing an alternating current (AC) output.
The only force being used to cause the movement of the rotor is the motor torque. The AC generated in the coils is done so independent of the input DC pulse and is strictly the result of the induction effect.

Evidence of the Second Event being able to operate independently and still provide the same AC output result is proven by causing it to produce the same output without the LEA motor section connected.

This is done by disconnecting the DC input wires and using an outside power source such as an electric motor connected to the axle of the generator and spinning it up to 750 revolutions per minute speed. This will cause a 50 Hz AC output result, a result that is identical to that with the LEA motor connected.

This proves that the AC output is produced purely by and controlled by the speed of rotation of the motor having an induction effect on the coils, nothing else, and especially no part of the DC input power component can be attributed as adding to the generated AC output.

THE THIRD EVENT: The Effect of Event Two on Event One.

Events One and Two happen independently of each other in the same machine. The only similarity shared in the Events is that they share the same coil to enable each to perform their independent functions.

The pulsed DC input to the coil has no effect on the AC being produced because there is no return path for it through the AC load of the coil. The AC is being generated continuously, and has no direct electrical contribution to the input because it too has no return path to enable it to do so.

The DC input runs the motor supplying current through its own defined circuit for around 0.2 of a cycle. (The ON period)
The DC input circuit has nothing to do with the AC output circuit; remember all the DC input is exhausted in the First Event so there is absolutely no DC input power left to do anything else.

The DC current is driven into the motor coils as long as there is a potential difference in voltage between the DC voltage and the AC voltage. This potential voltage is what carries the input current. When this potential voltage difference falls to zero the ON period of the electrical cycle is ended, and then no input current can flow.

The input voltage that carries current (amps) into the motor coils is a resultant voltage. This can be seen on oscilloscope traces as a variable voltage.  It can also be called a differential voltage because the current is able to flow for a brief period before the lesser voltage becomes equal, and so prevents the flow from continuing.

SUMMARY

The LEA has been designed to maximise and exploit Events One Two and Three in a synchronous manner so as to produce a highly efficient means of generating electricity. It could be described as a tri-brid system.

This harmonious triumvirate result has been accomplished by identifying and controlling the precise timing of input and output voltages; so to allow the separate Events to operate within the same space, using minimal shared components while retaining their original individual effects.

The patent over this technology already granted in many countries including the USA, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Mexico, Russia, Eurasia, Africa, Poland, China, South Africa, Vietnam, Brazil, Singapore, Turkey, Israel and pending in many others is titled;

“A Means of Controlling A Rotary Device”

The reader may now understand why it has been called so.
There are many uses for the technology; it can provide electricity in a manner more highly efficient, environmentally clean and cost effective than any other currently known.

Other applications for this technology could be water desalination, hydrogen production, highly efficient motors for plant, pumps, and machinery, or as a more efficient and cost effective drive for anything that turns spins or rotates.
   
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