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I think everyone here want's clean energy not only for the environment but to free ourselves from big oil.

I would agree and one cannot claim to be "independent" yet be completely dependent on everyone else for everything. I can't wait for the day I can say...your services are no longer required because I am independent and self-sufficient. For me it was always about being a man who can stand on his own two feet and think for himself and do things for himself. Which is rare in this day and age.

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The predictions for me have continuously proved erroneous I consider myself a greenie. I stopped voting green when they wanted a carbon tax here.

I was never a greenie per say but as an Engineer waste, inefficiency if not outright stupidity tests my patience. Hell a fair part of my income depends on the burning of fossil fuels but I am still willing to make the effort to do away with them because of the damage they cause. In effect rendering myself unemployed in some respects. That is what I call integrity not this nonsense where desperate people will do anything to keep their job and hold the status quo... that's what I refer to as a pussy. I can always find another job but a planet I can call home not so much.

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I'm a vego so I'm NOT (apart from my only farts which I grant you is significant, if you listen to my wife anyway) contributing methane, I have solar power and the access I push back to the grid. Our water supply is rainwater only. My vegie patch is fully organic.

Your a good man Jim and it's easy to sit back and point fingers but it's quite another to act on our convictions. For me it was never about whether I would succeed at nailing FE and I have spent literally thousands of hours and years in R&D. It was the fact that I made the effort and I tried to do something good. If that makes me a fool then so be it but at the end of the day when my last day comes I can say I tried to make a difference and I can live with that. All we can do is try and what happens happens however I have buried too many people I cared about who's last words were "I should have done more". The fact is we only get one ride on this merry-go-round...make it a good one my friend.



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Your much more likely to become unemployed due to Artificial Intelligence  and a smart Alexa that can think, has no bad days or sickness,  needs no days off or healthcare or even a desk?

just a really good programmer who can make a good demonstration.

and much sooner than we'd like to admit..

   even hands on skills such as Doctors and precision surgeries are on The AI chopping block.

at the simplest level [limbless man servant] here is some news

http://nypost.com/2017/07/10/alexa-calls-cops-on-man-allegedly-beating-his-girlfriend/

maybe fake news ?
https://www.buzzfeed.com/ellievhall/alexa-call-911?utm_term=.nw5VRBD9L#.xvW7BNYWR

JIm and Brad
a question
is the Gas company owned by the Gov't in OZ ?

   

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Really though does anyone believe that with the plummeting cost of solar and advancement of battery tech, fossil fuel burning will necessary within 15 years?  What we do with old batteries though may be an issue.
   
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Hi AC very nice to tarry with you again your figures on energy consumption I have no doubt are researched by you and so probably accurate as are the figures I calculated regarding the worlds massive natural irrigation system .
Although Massive in itself I hope you notice I pointed out Its only a small fraction of the available energy.
you go on to quote quite rightly the  example a car running a ICE in a closed  garage, well I would have no difficulty with that scenario and I'm sure you wouldn't either providing of course we could choose fuel.
Given a fuel thats already in use (certainly in two different airport hubs in Europe that I know of and municipal settings in the USA) but of course not available to the 'great unwashed cash cow' a fuel that is COP>1 and cleans waste product at the same time, I write of course of Magnegas and  here's a short clip that explains why I would be quite happy to share a closed garage with an ICE running such a fuel. although of course this crude example isn't running pulsed DC in a a resonant circuit as the commercial units are .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfMHq64CW9U
and so 'catch 52' There are alternatives but not for public distribution, and so those alternatives are suppressed.
That the weather pattern is altering I don't dispute - twas ever so- That a group of clowns with no evidence apart from corrupted graphs should be able to manipulate and tax the worlds economy's on the basis of it, is worrying to say the least.
Whats worrying is the use to which yet another bogus unaudited tax on so called 'Global warming' is to be put.. Although in my opinion 'over egged' Alex Jones in this documentary points out time and time again that the taxes collected from this swindle are part and parcel of 'The new world order plan'
and I should point out that if only a small fraction of this presentation is correct it needs stopping in its track and quickly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-CrNlilZho
Of course thats just my opinion AC and I realize not necessarily yours. still I suspect 'Global Warming'
is a case of this quotation
“If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.”
Adolf Hitler
  Its a sad fact that its starting to happen and the plan is unfolding as predicted in that old documentary. Chet what we look at here is something like an onion with layers , There has to be an element of truth before the masses can be rehearsed and convinced to swallow the lie. Unfortunately the prospect is staged in such a way as to be derisive.
To play the Devils advocate , There are simply to many people on our little planet, we have in the scheme of things been a very successful species. (naturally at the cost  of  other species)
Introduce 'free energy' to the human survival chain thinking it to be a panacea and a little thought tells you exactly the reverse is likely to happen .
A sudden massive increase in the most destructive species on the planet. Having accepted that as a distinct possibility  I personally still sway towards releasing free energy technology simply because it is a truth and eventually 'a truth will out', that quite apart from the fact that I do not like the stench of the alternative being planned for our children and Grandchildren by the few megalomaniacs driving our bus.- Just saying.
So In short I believe there is a morsel of truth in the 'global warming scam' but a scam it still is unfortunately its also IMHO a part of a clever Tapestry of deception and is impossible to regard as a 'stand alone' subject HARRP is also in my opinion an important part of the stitching of that  Tapestry     
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ik9Hw5kQ7yc
it seems the simple observation of "things seem very different to when I was a youngster" ergo global warming must be a fact isn't good enough. It could well be a well funded and crafted web of deception.
Funded unknowingly by you and me with trickery and slight of hand by exactly the same small group who suppress free energy systems. The few hundred people who actually run our world   


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Duncan
I am not certain if there are any degree's which are not obsolete Now prior to graduation , in years past engineering being
the hardest to maintain a foot hold on current technologies [never ending schooling]

But this has the plus side [not the bad [for a flesh and blood  engineer] , 24/7 365 up to date every second AI side] ,we will soon most likely be as creators here, bringing species back, making better use of our land mass ,[just look at the map and see all the emptiness between the coasts on most continents
and look at all this water?? AND ALL THE LAND UNDER IT...
sea levels ??

we need to reboot Mars maybe ?
grab some resources from the monstrous ware houses in our solar system??

The Kids "COULD" do this

I would personally Luv a sequoia in the back yard ,that new fast grow one on page 32 of the new mother earth news ...2027's spring edition
maybe I'll plant that new cheeseburger crop next century [since we become immortal shortly
[the newest Silcon Valley Craze in 2015----- ongoing Till its DONE eternal life project]

yeah that's the world we grew up in with a 2017 and beyond twist
and the one our kids do or could live in, where pollution becomes an asset/usefull product  [especially the pollution from Japan]

remember the rules here... Nothing is destroyed ,..always has a potential use


But the KIds would have to learn to get along and be responsible with their resources and .........
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so when do we get to work here on that new heat engine I read about a few weeks ago??

or some  other idea?

somebody get me some Thorium...and a fine silica pumice , the world is becoming our oyster ...we may have done a lot of rearranging  , but we seem in the unique position of being able to fix almost all of it..
and then some

is there truly any such thing as extinction anymore ?
will the once dead walk amongst us??

our generation  will see the potential for the last blind man, the last deaf man,  the last........

it will all be upgrades now ,and probably not far off from the comic book super hero's

you do realize we have become creator's.............



yeesh !!

the "kids" are gonna be busy

I hope

* everyday its like this Now
http://www.bbc.com/news/av/technology-40508099/living-dragonfly-drones-take-flight

dreams to reality ..

It would seem
all things are possible...or will be shortly..

regarding the weather or Big heat engine [and inevitable evaporation ?

look at all that horsepower [below] just waiting to be put to good use...

seems we will be steeped in water....
maybe Jim and Brad could use some in the 3000 mile desert between them ?

somebody give me some more Lemons

We have lemonade to make






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Hi AC very nice to tarry with you again your figures on energy consumption I have no doubt are researched by you and so probably accurate as are the figures I calculated regarding the worlds massive natural irrigation system .
Although Massive in itself I hope you notice I pointed out Its only a small fraction of the available energy.
you go on to quote quite rightly the  example a car running a ICE in a closed  garage, well I would have no difficulty with that scenario and I'm sure you wouldn't either providing of course we could choose fuel.
Given a fuel thats already in use (certainly in two different airport hubs in Europe that I know of and municipal settings in the USA) but of course not available to the 'great unwashed cash cow' a fuel that is COP>1 and cleans waste product at the same time, I write of course of Magnegas and  here's a short clip that explains why I would be quite happy to share a closed garage with an ICE running such a fuel. although of course this crude example isn't running pulsed DC in a a resonant circuit as the commercial units are .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfMHq64CW9U
and so 'catch 52' There are alternatives but not for public distribution, and so those alternatives are suppressed.
That the weather pattern is altering I don't dispute - twas ever so- That a group of clowns with no evidence apart from corrupted graphs should be able to manipulate and tax the worlds economy's on the basis of it, is worrying to say the least.
Whats worrying is the use to which yet another bogus unaudited tax on so called 'Global warming' is to be put.. Although in my opinion 'over egged' Alex Jones in this documentary points out time and time again that the taxes collected from this swindle are part and parcel of 'The new world order plan'
and I should point out that if only a small fraction of this presentation is correct it needs stopping in its track and quickly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-CrNlilZho
Of course thats just my opinion AC and I realize not necessarily yours. still I suspect 'Global Warming'
is a case of this quotation
“If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.”
Adolf Hitler
  Its a sad fact that its starting to happen and the plan is unfolding as predicted in that old documentary. Chet what we look at here is something like an onion with layers , There has to be an element of truth before the masses can be rehearsed and convinced to swallow the lie. Unfortunately the prospect is staged in such a way as to be derisive.
To play the Devils advocate , There are simply to many people on our little planet, we have in the scheme of things been a very successful species. (naturally at the cost  of  other species)
Introduce 'free energy' to the human survival chain thinking it to be a panacea and a little thought tells you exactly the reverse is likely to happen .
A sudden massive increase in the most destructive species on the planet. Having accepted that as a distinct possibility  I personally still sway towards releasing free energy technology simply because it is a truth and eventually 'a truth will out', that quite apart from the fact that I do not like the stench of the alternative being planned for our children and Grandchildren by the few megalomaniacs driving our bus.- Just saying.
So In short I believe there is a morsel of truth in the 'global warming scam' but a scam it still is unfortunately its also IMHO a part of a clever Tapestry of deception and is impossible to regard as a 'stand alone' subject HARRP is also in my opinion an important part of the stitching of that  Tapestry     
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ik9Hw5kQ7yc
it seems the simple observation of "things seem very different to when I was a youngster" ergo global warming must be a fact isn't good enough. It could well be a well funded and crafted web of deception.
Funded unknowingly by you and me with trickery and slight of hand by exactly the same small group who suppress free energy systems. The few hundred people who actually run our world

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfMHq64CW9U

I carried out many of these very test's,and i assumed that the fuel was being burnt up in the arc--but seems i was wrong.

If so,what is burning up in the arc,if gas is still being emitted from the DUT?.

I carried out  many thermal tests with this setup,and the power consumed was near exact to the amount required to heat the volume of water i was using,and when the volume of glass(the container i was using) was taken into account,the calculations were unity.
This being the case,and if such gas was also being released from my DUT,this now carries the COP over 1  O0.

I think i must re-visit this.


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Hi Brad - nice to hear from you, I hope all is well and good. A subject worthy of study IMHO a few links associated you might enjoy
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24Rba-Z3G08

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7V2oHp46xA&t=245s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wy0WXkj1Drw

I think I pointed out before (with capacitance battery charging) that dielectric breakdown had very special properties. especially if that impulse wave is tuned resonant 
The same holds good here and that transition is also the major component in the various COP >1 water heaters that pop up now and again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZoiY3FvxKo

and not forgetting of course the ingeniously simple examples of Flt Lt Peter Davey which he  demonstrated for us before his death in 2009       
 


 pictured here with (and picture courtesy of)  Dr Jan Pajak



Peters 602 Spitfire squadron with a rich mix of commonwealth volunteers who like Peter willingly came to Britain's aid in very desperate times, The KIA and MIA roll call of this Squadron like many others of the era is eye watering.
 
Its a good idea to keep in mind that sonic is a 'longitudinal' wave . consider briefly the practical operation of your ear it is 'a drum' it can only move back and forth. A loud speaker has similar properties but importantly not so the electrical input to the loud speaker. ye olden days engineers were well aware of that change and referred to what we now call loudspeakers as transducers. Its interesting to note in free space there is no transverse wave. ergo the first astronoughts looked out of the window and saw --- sweet FA
If I  quoted a frequency (say 10Khz) what we immediately visualize is a sine wave but of course all a drum (all be it an ear drum) can react to is 'an impulse' or rather a series of impulses and we omit the transition. Here's a youtube example which shows you a picture of a sine wave on the tone generator which tempts you to think 'sine wave' but of course the plate in question can only respond to the magnetic driver, so can only move up and down like the loudspeaker so it is obviously (and must be) a sonic/impulse (longitudinal) wave.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShJ0tlJY9zM

There lies the problem the electrical characteristic of the  longitudinal wave, all the research,maths and physics has been expunged from schooling. and ohms law doesn't work here! Its a different science and technology altogether. Mixing the two systems is usually doomed in my experiance.

luckily ancient  geometry does work. (at least enough to see what is happening) pretty much as soon as I encounter 'a ball' or hemisphere in a tuned circuit I assume a longitudinal wave  and a very different science at work. Tesla's Wardenclyffe antenna is made round for a good reason and certainly not because its easier to build that way.



sorry if I seem to digress a bit Brad and of course I'm off topic but hope you find some parts of interest.
Kindest regards Duncan


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How many more to be .threatened, abused murdered, Their research in the hands of evil corporations intent on total control ?
http://dnp.s3.amazonaws.com/b/b9/suppressed.pdf
whilst we know little .. friends remember,
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Hi Brad - nice to hear from you, I hope all is well and good. A subject worthy of study IMHO a few links associated you might enjoy
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24Rba-Z3G08

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7V2oHp46xA&t=245s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wy0WXkj1Drw

I think I pointed out before (with capacitance battery charging) that dielectric breakdown had very special properties. especially if that impulse wave is tuned resonant 
The same holds good here and that transition is also the major component in the various COP >1 water heaters that pop up now and again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZoiY3FvxKo

and not forgetting of course the ingeniously simple examples of Flt Lt Peter Davey which he  demonstrated for us before his death in 2009       
 


 pictured here with (and picture courtesy of)  Dr Jan Pajak



Peters 602 Spitfire squadron with a rich mix of commonwealth volunteers who like Peter willingly came to Britain's aid in very desperate times, The KIA and MIA roll call of this Squadron like many others of the era is eye watering.
 
Its a good idea to keep in mind that sonic is a 'longitudinal' wave . consider briefly the practical operation of your ear it is 'a drum' it can only move back and forth. A loud speaker has similar properties but importantly not so the electrical input to the loud speaker. ye olden days engineers were well aware of that change and referred to what we now call loudspeakers as transducers. Its interesting to note in free space there is no transverse wave. ergo the first astronoughts looked out of the window and saw --- sweet FA
If I  quoted a frequency (say 10Khz) what we immediately visualize is a sine wave but of course all a drum (all be it an ear drum) can react to is 'an impulse' or rather a series of impulses and we omit the transition. Here's a youtube example which shows you a picture of a sine wave on the tone generator which tempts you to think 'sine wave' but of course the plate in question can only respond to the magnetic driver, so can only move up and down like the loudspeaker so it is obviously (and must be) a sonic/impulse (longitudinal) wave.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShJ0tlJY9zM

There lies the problem the electrical characteristic of the  longitudinal wave, all the research,maths and physics has been expunged from schooling. and ohms law doesn't work here! Its a different science and technology altogether. Mixing the two systems is usually doomed in my experiance.

luckily ancient  geometry does work. (at least enough to see what is happening) pretty much as soon as I encounter 'a ball' or hemisphere in a tuned circuit I assume a longitudinal wave  and a very different science at work. Tesla's Wardenclyffe antenna is made round for a good reason and certainly not because its easier to build that way.



sorry if I seem to digress a bit Brad and of course I'm off topic but hope you find some parts of interest.
Kindest regards Duncan

Hi Duncan

Yes,all is well here--thanks for asking.
Hope you are fine also.

Would you be interested in investigating this MagneGas further,perhaps a dedicated thread ?.

The reason i ask,is as i mentioned before,i have done some experimenting along the same line's,although it was nicknamed !cold fusion! back then,even though that would be an incorrect description of what was happening.

I(along with those here well versed in calorimetric measurements) carried out many tests using such a heating method. Turns out that we were so very close to unity(as we should have been)in heating a volume of water for a given amount of power used.
See video below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJQ1RAznwgw

Now,here is the thing.
If by using the carbon rods to do the same thing i was doing in my testing(heating a volume of water),but also at the same time producing a combustible gas,i believe this could tip the scale's toward a COP of >1,as i was that close to/or dead on unity in my tests.

I believe that there would be a few others here that would join in on this,and i think Steve Jones would also be on board.

Some may believe that the carbon rod's would be an issue,due to being hard to get,and expensive-->but i bet everyone here has some lying around in there house or workshop without knowing it  O0

So rather than derail this thread,what say we open a thread dedicated to this !MagneGas! production ?.


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Now,here is the thing.
If by using the carbon rods to do the same thing i was doing in my testing(heating a volume of water),but also at the same time producing a combustible gas,i believe this could tip the scale's toward a COP of >1,as i was that close to/or dead on unity in my tests.

An interesting hypothesis Brad, certainly worthy of a dedicated thread. I will help you with this.

Frame of reference analysis is critical here. The system total must equal COP>1.

hhop gen 2 demonstrates an electrical energy input prime mover to phase transition liquid water via electrolysis to a combustible gas.

http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2288.0

The volume differential between liquid and gas of the same substance, produced at a steady rate creates a pressure increase that does work on it's container.

The second stage is to combust the gas producing a rapid overpressure event followed by an even more rapid volume reduction, both events can do work seeking equilibrium balance.

The end product is liquid water of the same mass you began with (in a closed system), but slightly hotter (residual process heat, carried over to next cycle), and in a different spacial position, plus the energy ejected from the system to another system as work done on it. We can keep defining here, as we can for any point.

I treat heat in hhop gen 2 as a waste product of the system cycle. hhop gen 6 or 7 are required to link waste heat to total system power conversion output.

If you can maintain 100% heat conservation and generate a combustible gas product whose volume transition gradient is itself capable of doing work then technically it is COP>1, although both processes themselves can be equal to or less than 1 in their own individual frame of reference.

Measured from an external observation point you would expect a natural, stable or dynamic, ratio. For example 80/20 or 60/40, etc.


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