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Some short time ago I posted a video I had transcribed from a DVD to youtube which in turn triggered Brad to re-investigate arc water heating and gas production.
I in turn started to re-examine Peter Davey and his heater which I (perhaps wrongly but I think not) referred to as cavity heating. lol whats in a bubble ? perhaps a cavity ? In common with with all of these systems are electrodes ,plates, rods in the water at different potentials. from there is a question of scale ,frequency,and interpretation often with very different effects. for instance this --

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZoiY3FvxKo

Or that which I posted re the Santilli experiment or even capacitive battery charging.
you might in various circumstances view this arrangement as 'a battery' 'a capacitor' 'a waveguide' 'a Casimire device'  'an arc lamp' and no doubt a host of other things - Its in the eye of the beholder I have the temerity to ask you the reader to broaden your view of this apparatus for the time being because I am very aware that my approach is very different from the expected 'creed' I rather study the man and his history, In turn the snippets are connected together to form 'a whole'.
The whole is then tested by conjecture against similar technology and standard dogma in order to be able to reverse engineer the device itself or mentally construct it.-Amen

It is required (to my mind at least) that you blessed reader understand my approach is engineering (as opposed to science) and social history (as opposed to instant gratification). Just to remind you of Peter's claims here is amateur archaeologist Michael Tellinger introducing the clip I'm sure most are familiar with.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFlQ6z_qqoU
The mans sentiments are much the same as my own and so as I demonstrate the various stages of this very simple construct on open forum please understand that apart from scraps of information that I have loosely weaved together to make a thing that work, like Peter Davey himself I don't really know why (at least at the atomic level) I just join the dots -- but don't we all?
Like an ice skater on thin ice I propose to stay close to the edge where the ice is thicker  in order to explain how this contraption (Davey's desk lamp) works stage by stage as each stage is done  I would really like contributions from anyone,you see there are three non linear simultaneous variables involved which need to be synchronous   I would like you to grasp this balancing act because unlike Peter Davey I doubt we have twenty five years left to tune and develop this system by chance! I certainly don't so please do try to help and not hinder with chaff. 
What I have seen is a very simple device although I confess I have tried a couple of times to describe the operation and tuning that promises a COP of >700  and have failed.
Its simple to visualize but very difficult to describe.
It was observed by an advertising executive that 'a picture is worth a thousand words' If a picture is worth such bounty how much more so a moving picture ? or better still real life ? after a little thought I have devised four very simple experiments which when united explain the operation and tuning of Peters machine.
Each demonstration should take less than half an hour of your precious time to set up and use little more than household cutlery,bottles ,jars and perhaps the scatterings of your medicine cabinet.
I will either demonstrate each experiment or if I have found a clearer example (done by some one with something better than a web cam) then I'll show that. ! fair E'nuff  ?   
Peter Davey wished very much to develop and market his 'sonic boiler' (Sonic because it is, like sound a longitudinal wave that is being favored and nothing what so ever to do with 50 or 60 Hz)
Any of you who have had dealings with the patent system well know that secrecy is a paramount consideration,
Peter with his History of self sacrifice to try and defeat fascism when Britain stood alone with her commonwealth  volunteers surely deserved better from the  system he had striven to defend.
To appear on national television at the age of 92 and demonstrate the device is an act of desperation. At the age of 92 It is clear that what Peter wished to leave was a legacy to his two children and their families.......Fat chance! but who's more deserving ?
Demonstration one

When I first saw Peter Davey's video some years ago I immediately made and posted this simple video 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teAksvLyaJ0
Its poor filming and the needle isn't easy to see,however watch the mirror reflection and you'll see it.
Its in real time and very simple (dangerous too if your not electrically proficient). so if your electrically incompetent - keep away from this.-- (claim all you want, Ive got the square root of fuck all Lol) --
however like crossing the road if you know what your doing its quite safe, the worst you can expect is the pop of a small amp fuse or circuit breaker.
Certainly not enough to frighten or even slightly perturb  a man who has had ME109  canon fired through his spitfire fighter canopy. What you see in this quickly lashed up video is my fair hand plugging in a 13 amp plug top connected to two stainless steel table spoons. for those not familiar with these British  plug tops they have an integral fuse which in this case was lowered to - 5 Amps  The two spoon's are brought as close together as I could possibly get them without actually touching - It feels counter intuitive and a horrible thing to do, but my research shows this is what Peter did --- So I did too! I am using a cheap Chinese analog meter set to  an  f.s.d  of 10 amps, Peter had rather better equipment at his disposal using this lovely old large scale meter.
 


Ah well the purposes of doing this little demonstration/experiment are many and I'll point out a few of the important bits to take note of whilst requesting you to keep in mind that the effects will be greatly amplified with further 'tuning' were you to take a 1 kw resistive immersion water heater (for instance) the heating effect would be pretty much linear time/deg rise for the quantity of water. The power consumption of 1kw is also linear if connected to something with voltage and frequency as stable as the national grid. that current is also directly proportional to power consumption.
It should also be well noted that when boiling the  resistive water heater is still consuming 1KW of power. In fact whatever its doing its consuming one Kw of power QED
All this is in direct and dramatic contrast to the experiment /demonstration I show and ask you to repeat 
as the water heats the current (and hence power consumption) varies very dramatically if fact its almost a Bell curve.
When the spoons are first introduced to tap water there is instant localized boiling (at the closest points) and when the whole container is boiling vigorously the current draw (power consumption) drops away to almost nothing.  (just as Peters is doing in the picture)

It is a deviation from reverse engineering Peters desk lamp But you might like to consider the effect of introducing an indirect heating coil into this furiously boiling equation -- I did ,

however there is much else to be discovered from this simple circuit  ho hum did I write circuit ? is it actually circuit ? or an open circuit ? what of  water is it an insulator or a conductor ?  what of distilled De-Ionised water does it still boil ? ---- (mine did) . what about yours ?
https://www.scienceabc.com/pure-sciences/do-you-think-that-water-conducts-electricity-if-you-do-then-youre-wrong.html
-- to be continued ---- (if anybodies got spunk enough to rub two spoons together that is) but in the interests of the young (ish) Davey's  inheritance and my self preservation - not on open forum, at least not just yet.
Regards Duncan
   


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How many more to be .threatened, abused murdered, Their research in the hands of evil corporations intent on total control ?
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Some short time ago I posted a video I had transcribed from a DVD to youtube which in turn triggered Brad to re-investigate arc water heating and gas production.
I in turn started to re-examine Peter Davey and his heater which I (perhaps wrongly but I think not) referred to as cavity heating. lol whats in a bubble ? perhaps a cavity ?-- (if anybodies got spunk enough to rub two spoons together that is) but in the interests of the young (ish) Davey's  inheritance and my self preservation - not on open forum, at least not just yet.
Regards Duncan
   

Interesting topic Duncan. I did some work with an Australian inventor some years ago now. But it was difficult to get consistent performance.
This is an early example build. You see it had a winding around the two spoons.



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very interesting ronee. It is clear that lashing a couple of spoons together is never going to be cop>1 although it is surprisingly efficient. That seems to be as far as any researcher has gone when researching this subject.
I have done this silly little demonstration in South Africa, U.K and the USA so I guess if the waters pretty pure it will work . Mineral/heavy metal content is a very different matter and pops and bangs can be expected.
Peters son (also a Peter) once decided to use the heater to re-heat some coffee - That made the sparks fly as you might imagine Lol! still at this stage the object isn't H&S its all focused on COP>1 and this promises a COP of 700 which is why it was blocked. getting maximum boiling activity from the smallest CSA using minimal current  is but the first step in Peter's instrument.
Its one of the variable's as it depends on the water where you are. Everybody seems to think they know better than the old man from New Zealand
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iiWGel3q50
Afraid not! the truth is so far he's succeeded in hiding a big sting in the tale. I guess you don't dance about the sky with ME109s and survive without learning guile by the bucket full.
kindest regards Duncan


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How many more to be .threatened, abused murdered, Their research in the hands of evil corporations intent on total control ?
http://dnp.s3.amazonaws.com/b/b9/suppressed.pdf
whilst we know little .. friends remember,
In the kingdom of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.
D. Erasmus
   
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Peter Davey sonic boiler again ? Huh?! We are going in circles around  :(  Such sonic boiler would work efficiently when somewhere there is converter (must be very small) from AC frequency into microwaves. Then the size of cavity may be important. The other case would be to break water long hydrogen bonds which allow fast boiling. In this case sound may cause it.
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very interesting ronee. It is clear that lashing a couple of spoons together is never going to be cop>1 although it is surprisingly efficient. That seems to be as far as any researcher has gone when researching this subject.

kindest regards Duncan

I wouldn't recommend this approach but it was reported at cop 2.3





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Very impressive ronee and in the real world a COP  of 2.3 is huge . Still a yardstick I set myself is to judge how many folks in my own street could build one of these things (or could it be made - very quickly and cheaply)  if not lets be honest it isn't going to get out of the box. few could build that and alas its not a cheap quick build 


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How many more to be .threatened, abused murdered, Their research in the hands of evil corporations intent on total control ?
http://dnp.s3.amazonaws.com/b/b9/suppressed.pdf
whilst we know little .. friends remember,
In the kingdom of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.
D. Erasmus
   
Sr. Member
****

Posts: 273
Very impressive ronee and in the real world a COP  of 2.3 is huge . Still a yardstick I set myself is to judge how many folks in my own street could build one of these things (or could it be made - very quickly and cheaply)  if not lets be honest it isn't going to get out of the box. few could build that and alas its not a cheap quick build

It turned into a dead end eventually as there are so many variables that affect the proper operation that the operator daren't leave the room.

I posted that just to encourage anyone who has investigated this field to post their work also.

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thats appreciated Ron. I guess a few are reading and contemplating. I'm trying locally to get some SS hemispheres machined - if I manage that I'll move up a stage
kindest regards Duncan


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How many more to be .threatened, abused murdered, Their research in the hands of evil corporations intent on total control ?
http://dnp.s3.amazonaws.com/b/b9/suppressed.pdf
whilst we know little .. friends remember,
In the kingdom of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.
D. Erasmus
   
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