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I would guess that the top filter will be filled with birds in no time .
A ring of thermals might be created making a soarable dohnut?

Once the humidity rises above 90% it will be useless.
Untried tech but good on them!

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Well i made a quick setup to see if it would work.
Seems to work,although i dont know if you could gain more energy than it takes to lift the water that high--maybe?.

There may be some merit to it,as we are drawing in environmental energy as we go.
One thing for sure,we sure do get a flow happening here  O0

With my very low energy setup,where i am only using 200ml of water an hour(3.3ml a minute),and where the height of the tube is only 2 meters,we still get a good flow of air through the tube.

It would seem to me that the turbine would be better at the inlet,rather than the outlet,as the flow has a higher velocity at the inlet-->although the air is far less dense going into the tube to that coming out of the tube,so maybe it wouldnt make any difference ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPGaQ5kaClw


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all you fellows from OZ ...

the entire middle of your country could be the new energy capitol of the planet
seems soo many ideas could manifest from this one ..

Brad
very cool setup  :)
wonder how small it could be made for around the home and still useful

https://www.target.com/p/antsy-pants-153-play-tunnel/-/A-51735999 [a scalable item indeed


just a side note

would also seem to me that these systems could be used to treat the CO2 issue on the planet in some way [since they are pulling in great quantities of Air ....

Using Mike's "C02 to fuel" system ,and Rob's "HHOP  pump" to move the water up ....

Amazing stuff indeed

perhaps a "round home" could power itself and clean the air and...

so much room for ..............

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Looks like this tech is not that new and comes from Israel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2japP5d0qCI

Here's a little more details on the Arizona proposal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mrp2EdK1lg
   

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Very similar here in Spain

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCGVTYtJEFk

A lot cheaper to build and you don't need water :)

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all you fellows from OZ ...

the entire middle of your country could be the new energy capitol of the planet
seems soo many ideas could manifest from this one ..

Brad
very cool setup  :)
wonder how small it could be made for around the home and still useful

https://www.target.com/p/antsy-pants-153-play-tunnel/-/A-51735999 [a scalable item indeed


just a side note

would also seem to me that these systems could be used to treat the CO2 issue on the planet in some way [since they are pulling in great quantities of Air ....

Using Mike's "C02 to fuel" system ,and Rob's "HHOP  pump" to move the water up ....

Amazing stuff indeed

perhaps a "round home" could power itself and clean the air and...

so much room for ..............

Change and optimism for the future

Chet
Our idiotic government just rolled back renewable energy funds,and up'd the subsidy for coal fired power stations.
While we have f--kwitts (sorry for the course language,but they really piss me off) running this world in the name of greed,we simply will continue to kill this planet.

As you say,we have enough unusable land here to power the world.
Here in the western half of the country,we have an average of 300 days a year of sunshine. We also have the largest tides in the world,which would also provide gigawatts of power a year,and work 24 hours a day.

This world could be powered on a fraction of the free energies available to us,but the corrupt will have no part in it.
They care about nothing but filling there pocket's with more than they could ever spend-holding power above all others.

My grandkids are going to live in sespit,all because of an elite gready group of idiots who need to be put 6 feet under.

We need to dig deeper into past suppressed inventions,and make the change.
We need to find those machines that worked,and flood the world with them in one quick sting opperation,where the !!elite!! cannot stop it.

We need that machine that runs on water--that is now my life goal.


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Hello All.

Here in the UK " Solar " has now died a death. Several years ago there were excellent returns on exports now just a fraction.

I personally think that the problem isn't so much about generation but more of how to store the excess. And when my local community got together and stopped a large battery storage scheme from happening I just couldn't believe it!

As Brad has said we've got an excellent resource available, tidal energy, it never stops. Instead my beautiful North Wales coastline now has a wind farm to look at. Bloody marvellous, not!!

Cheers Graham.


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Hello All.

Here in the UK " Solar " has now died a death. Several years ago there were excellent returns on exports now just a fraction.

 And when my local community got together and stopped a large battery storage scheme from happening I just couldn't believe it!

As Brad has said we've got an excellent resource available, tidal energy, it never stops.

Cheers Graham.

A few megawatts here i would think  ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGN5xCjWN2Q

Our tides up north can reach 10 meters.
Thats a lot of water  O0

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I personally think that the problem isn't so much about generation but more of how to store the excess.

I am leaning toward the production and storage of hydrogen(separated from oxygen of course)
1 single 250 watt solar panel will produce(with an efficient cell,and good sunlight)3 LPM.
That is 180 LPH-or 1440 liters a day,where an 8 hour average day of sunlight is hitting the panel.
During our summer months,we average 13 hours of good sunlight per day,and close to 8 hours a day during our winter months.

I acquired 6x 180 watt panels 2 weeks ago,and this weekend i plan on dusting off my large HHO cell,and hooking it up to one of those 180 watt panels,and getting some real numbers.

I am not sure of the efficiency of the hydrogen fuel cell's(how many liters of hydrogen to the KWh ?),but i believe they are quite efficient.

Ofcourse this system would require a cell that produces hydrogen and oxygen separately,but there not hard to build.

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Instead my beautiful North Wales coastline now has a wind farm to look at. Bloody marvellous, not!!

I dont mind wind turbines.
Up at shark bay,where we have a holiday house,there are 4 wind turbines not 1/2 a km away.
We lay in bed at night,listening to there song as they fall in and out of sync with each other--seems to help you sleep  O0.

Water is the answer.
Some where,some how,waters secret will be disclosed.
Lets hope it doesn't come to late.


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It strikes me that all of the water that is sprayed at the top actually falls down along with the cold air, so its mass contribution to the turbine forces would, if turbines and pumps were 100% efficient, account for the energy needed to pump that water up.  Add to that the mass contribution of the cold air that is also falling  and if that exceeds the turbine/pump losses you do have the potential for an over-unity machine.   I haven't seen the formula or the math for such a machine but it is not rocket science to derive them.  The latent heat of evaporation is well known, as are the gas laws, so it should be possible to show that the device will work as claimed.  My field of expertise is electro-magnetics but we must have someone here with the required knowledge.
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Hey Brad.

Try multiplying your 4 by 100 and placed out in what was once a beautiful seascape.... Nah, they've completely ruined both land and sea here as far as I'm concerned.

Now, I spent a couple of hours earlier on looking for Mikes block diagram of his SMD system with Sabatier process.
This is the ideal way, IMO! The Oxygen converted to aid the process, pure Hydrogen combined with CO2 to make Methane which can enter the domestic gas grid.

This could also end the " Lunacy " of Fracking that's currently poisoning many parts of the world.

Cheers Graham.


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Hey Brad.

Try multiplying your 4 by 100 and placed out in what was once a beautiful seascape.... Nah, they've completely ruined both land and sea here as far as I'm concerned.

Now, I spent a couple of hours earlier on looking for Mikes block diagram of his SMD system with Sabatier process.
This is the ideal way, IMO! The Oxygen converted to aid the process, pure Hydrogen combined with CO2 to make Methane which can enter the domestic gas grid.

This could also end the " Lunacy " of Fracking that's currently poisoning many parts of the world.

Cheers Graham.

This one Graham, it will be "part of" my NASA entry in February ;)

Regards

Mike 8)


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The hydrogen has to be pure, using SMD tech: the oxygen is used in the splitting of the water, to produce power through oxidation, for added energy to split the water in the first place.

Regards

Mike 8)


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Thanks Mike.

           O0

I'm sure the entire membership wish you the greatest of luck for February.

Cheers Graham.


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It strikes me that all of the water that is sprayed at the top actually falls down along with the cold air, so its mass contribution to the turbine forces would, if turbines and pumps were 100% efficient, account for the energy needed to pump that water up.  Add to that the mass contribution of the cold air that is also falling  and if that exceeds the turbine/pump losses you do have the potential for an over-unity machine.   I haven't seen the formula or the math for such a machine but it is not rocket science to derive them.  The latent heat of evaporation is well known, as are the gas laws, so it should be possible to show that the device will work as claimed.  My field of expertise is electro-magnetics but we must have someone here with the required knowledge.
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I dont agree that it would be an overunity device,as the extra energy gained is provided by ambiant heat.
As i stated in my video,this is a heat engine/pump.
I would think that if the water temperature was higher than the ambiant air temperature,the air would not flow,in fact,it would probably flow in the opposite direction,like steam rising from a lake on a cold morning.

Even for a home unit,its  size would have to be very large.
I dont see a  100 foot+ tower going up in many back yards.


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Hey Brad.

Try multiplying your 4 by 100 and placed out in what was once a beautiful seascape.... Nah, they've completely ruined both land and sea here as far as I'm concerned.

Now, I spent a couple of hours earlier on looking for Mikes block diagram of his SMD system with Sabatier process.
This is the ideal way, IMO! The Oxygen converted to aid the process, pure Hydrogen combined with CO2 to make Methane which can enter the domestic gas grid.

This could also end the " Lunacy " of Fracking that's currently poisoning many parts of the world.

Cheers Graham.

The problem is that the highest wind speeds are achieved at the shoreline,where the cool ocean air meets the higher temp of the land.Once the wind makes land,things like tree's,hills and valley's slow the wind speed down.

I guess it's a question of whether you would rather look at a bunch of windmills,or a coal fired power station.
One of these is good for the environment,and the other not so much.

I still think solar and tidal power is the answer,and also the most efficient.
But as long as the elite are making billions,and we have puppets for governmental members,then we dont have much chance at changing anything.

Most people will believe anything there told,but i will be exposing a few hidden truths in the weeks to come.
Life is just to short to sit back and wait for someone else to make a stand.


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I still think solar and tidal power is the answer,and also the most efficient.
But as long as the elite are making billions,and we have puppets for governmental members,then we dont have much chance at changing anything.

Most people will believe anything there told,but i will be exposing a few hidden truths in the weeks to come.
Life is just to short to sit back and wait for someone else to make a stand.


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Well said!   O0

I look forward to the "hidden truths"... seriously.
   

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I go along with that, and I really mean it, I am fed up with the MAYOR√ćA!!!!!! DEL MUNDO, IN SPANISH.


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