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Thanks to ION for his design on the 1Mhz oscillator circuit.

Carrying on from that i now am going to build a new device as follows.

In the SR193 thread i posted a circuit from Mopozco from his SSG



This led me to find Negative Induction, this is where an Inductor is driven above it's self resonant frequency and starts showing negative Inductance or Capacitive properties.



I started seeing similarities between the SSG and Don Smith table top device, both had the final coil in series with the previous coil and had no capacitor to tune the frequency, thus relying on the self resonant frequency of the coil, bearing in mind the other coils operating at other frequencies this made me wonder if there could be any magic or pumping in such a configuration.

There are possible similarities in the TPU as well, so i want to tie some of these facts into a new build and see what comes of it.

Both Don and the SSG used spark gaps to generate harmonics, in the TPU i think it can be assumed it's a solid state device and i therefore want to find a way without using spark gaps to drive a 3 coil resonant system, i have a passive frequency tripler and doubler circuit to drive the fet's.

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I will build 3 coils, each coil will be driven by a fet to resonate at the coils self resonant frequency, each coil will be bifilar
One of the coils will be driven by the fet and the other will be mutually driven, all 3 coils will be in series.

L1 will be @ fundamental wound clockwise does not necessarily need to be self resonant in build
L2 @ 2nd Harmonic wound counter clockwise
L3 @ 3rd Harmonic wound clockwise

The only problem i have not resolved is the fundamental frequency of operation, maybe 35Khz or maybe use Bruce's 3.
The problem with using such low frequency's is the size of the coils, so the device will be something like 12 inches in diameter.

   

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OOHHHH...

I just saw the ruckus on the shout box. Man, I hope I didn't trigger that hoopla.

FWIW, there is nothing magical or 'nano-scale' in making a coil resonate magnitudes lower than found in a simple coil application. Everything is accounted for. It is just a different application of more than one method. I learned it from figuring out how magnetic loop antennas worked in old console radios and desktop Atwater Kent radio sets.

They had large loops for aerials. The trick was the poloidal (and sometimes also basket-weave) windings spaced just right around the loop.

Yes, resonance is no big deal, especially if it is plain-Jane single frequency or single winding resonance. No OU there for sure. I haven't found any OU with this method either. It is just a more physical way of doing things now done with fancy electronics. There are no all-encompassing formulas for it but the standard math works just fine but only if you include all the variables. I must not know all the variables yet because sometimes things just don't work the expected way  ;D

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Don't worry about the Ruckus  ;D

We need to focus on finding the proof, to unlock the Aether, after all that's all we want to do, we want free energy or a way to siphon some of it from this infinite sea, i think we all agree this is possible, it's just a matter of using conventional electronics to achieve our goal.  ;)

Here's a document on a very simple Odd Harmonic generator
http://www.wenzel.com/pdffiles1/pdfs/RFDesign2.pdf




   

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Here's a technical question, if i wind 3 solenoid coils each having a SRF of say 1Mhz and i connect them all in series and place them on a tube sequentially, at what spacing apart would they start behaving as if they are 1 coil forming a new combined SRF, so if they were say spaced 6 inches apart along the solenoid tube would they all individually have a SRF of 1Mhz or would they form a larger coil and have a lower SRF, do they need to be misaligned or on another plane to behave as separate coils.
Is it possible to have 3 coils in series that each have a single SRF of 1Mhz but also have a combined SRF.
   

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We need to focus on finding the proof, to unlock the Aether, after all that's all we want to do, we want free energy or a way to siphon some of it from this infinite sea, i think we all agree this is possible, it's just a matter of using conventional electronics to achieve our goal.  ;)

If i had focused on the aether itself and its movement, it would have saved me years of work and failed experiments.  My whole diatribe on inducing electron flow was flawed from the start.

Harold Aspden presented a very basic approach to "unlocking the Aether" using concentric capacitors.  It is posted in my Kapanadze thread with a simple diagram.


   

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OK very interesting, i have partly answered my own question with a Variometer
Very interesting that the SRF is highest when the coils are at 90 degrees, which i know makes sense because of the least coupling and hence the least inductance value of the overall series coil.

http://www.g3ynh.info/comps/Vari_L.html



   

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That article also confirms to me that each coil although in series also has their own SRF, which is really what i want because i want to drive my L2 5kHz above it's SRF while the other 2 will be driven at their own SRF, and when in series the overall network will have it's own SRF again which i am hoping will have a net power gain.
   

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A variometer should not be used at frequencies approaching its open-circuit SRF.
I wonder what happens when it is
   

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This warning usually refers to the device acting as the main propagating device when used in high powered antenna tuning. In-short: the transmit energy is wasted as heat before it even made it to the antenna.

When in a receiver, adjusting the coupling to any of the three SRFs would cause regeneration in the RF stage. The receiver would become a transmitter. I used one in a homebrew SuperRegen 1 tube receiver just before I hit my teens. I wiped out the entire AM broadcast band for several blocks  ;D 

I don't know what would happen if the frequency hit the SRF of the first coil and following coils had SRFs at harmonics of the first. I have wondered about this before. Van der Pol oscillation? Might be interesting  :D


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Thanks WW for the explanation.

So if the vehicle for power generation in the TPU was based on above SRF operation then really the Inductance would be left with mainly a resistive component that would cause possible heat problems with the device running for any length of time  ;D and there wouldnt be anyway around this because it would be part of the generation process if i am right anyway.

That could be a problem because you couldnt pipe the heat away without altering the SRF of the Inductance
   

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I've thought about this idea for a long time.

I don't think the problem was changing parameters. We are leaning toward deterministic chaos - nonlinear oscillation and non-conservatism.

If the TPU was essentially a 3D relaxation oscillator with heat as part of the process, forced cooling would be a disaster. Perhaps, it would be similar to an explosion in open space versus the same explosion in a confined space.

If so, I can see why submerging a hot TPU in a tub of water would open some eyes.


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I am trying to understand the winding ratios of the above SSG device

Here's some calculated data, i am trying different former diameters adding 1 cm for the heavy guage coil as it's slightly larger diameter.

Here's the data and results

dia   circumference               wire length      frequency for wavelength = wire length x 2

5cm   15.707963267948966cm   

Turns
40   628.3185071795864cm   1256.6370143591728            23.857Mhz   
120   1884.95559215387592cm   3769.91118430775184    7.9522Mhz

6cm   18.84955592153876cm

Turns   
6   113.09733552923256cm   226.19467105846512            132.54Mhz

looking for harmonic multiples

23.85/7.9522 = 2.99917994099
132.54/7.9522 = 16.730657
132.54 / 23.85 = 5.5572327


8cm   25.132741228718345cm
40   1005.3096491487338cm   2010.6192982974676             14.91Mhz
120   3015.9289474462014cm   6031.8578948924028               4.9702Mhz

9cm   28.274333882308138cm   
6   169.646003293848828cm   339.29206587697656             88.358Mhz

looking for harmonic multiples

14.91 / 4.9702 = 2.999879
88.358 / 4.9702 = 17.777554
88.358 / 14.91 = 5.9260898




11cm    34.55751918948772m
40    1382.3007675795088cm   2764.6015351590176             10.844Mhz
120    4146.9023027385264cm   8293.8046054770528               3.6147Mhz

12cm  37.69911184307752cm   
6    226.1946719586512cm   452.38934211693024             66.269Mhz

looking for harmonic multiples

10.844 / 3.6147 = 2.99997
66.269 / 3.6147 = 18.3331
66.269 / 10.844 = 6.1111



So there are 2 things confirmed to me from the above data.
L1 and L2 are definatley related to the 3rd Harmonic
L3 is about 6 times the frequency of L2

and he has used Lambda / 2 for wire length to work out the SRF
   

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L3 being the highest frequency, imposes NI on L2 because they are closely coupled, L1 is seperated away from L2 and L3, and also L2 is wound in the opposite direction to L1 and L3, so L2 is driven into rd harmonic resonance but in opposition to the driving L1, L3 is imposing NI but in oppposing phase with L2, so L2 is seeing NI anti clockwise polarization but 3rd harmonic resonance clockwise polarization at the same time.I am not sure if i am using polarization correctly but not sure how to say it properly.
   

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You would make a great detective  ;)

Bucking helical fields? Never tried such a collision. It sounds like fun  ;D


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Now i wish i could do this for SR193's device.
   

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So my plan to build a 35kHz is not really viable, too much wire

So Plan B  ;D

350kHz Fundamental = 428.275 Meters of wire
1.050Mhz 3rd Harmonic = 142.76 Meters of wire Primary Coil
3.15Mhz 9th harmonic = 47.586 Meters of wire thick Wire

I will add One other un-driven coil

4.2Mhz 12th Harmonic = 35.6896 Meters of wire Thick wire

Although my 1.050Mhz coil can have a tuning cap so i will use 36.3825 meters for this coil the same length of the 12th Harmonic coil and then just use a cap to bring this down to 1.050MHz  ;D
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