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Getting to the very core of the matter, where the rottenness
originates, is a very difficult task for the many.  Overcoming
the propaganda induced mind-set is more unsettling than
the many are willing to endure.  Taking refuge in wrong beliefs
is much more comfortable than opening one's eyes to "see"
the painful truths.

The Son of Man provided us with answers which are affirmed
by the Protocols of the Learned Elders.  Taking an honest
look at how our World is managed today will clearly indicate
by whom we are being dis-informed.  But only if we are willing
to endure the painful Truths.

Are you agreeing with me? I can't tell, but just to be sure you do know that the Protocols of the Elders of Zion was written by a Russian Czar  and some other guy because they were mad at the Jews, It is propaganda and when you call me or others persons of the book I know you are  a muslim because only muslims know Christians and Jews as people of the book which they are called a number of times in the koran.  Christians and Jews do not know of themselves as people of the book or call others that. I have never heard a Christian use that terminology only muslims.  I know you have tried to tell us your a christian but I don't see it in your words or what you post.  In my opinion no Christian would post like you do, If you are agreeing with me well I don't know what to say to that maybe I have you wrong.

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It goes back a long way.

All "religions" have been corrupted in order to
facilitate the PLAN.  The Synagogue of Satan
has amassed enormous financial power and
influence.

The Book or The Books.

The PLAN is exceedingly comprehensive and leaves
no stone unturned
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I'll take that as a no, you are not in agreement with me, thank you for letting me know.  :D


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I'll take that as a no, you are not in agreement with me, thank you for letting me know.  :D

I have not yet come across anyone who is in agreement with you Room3327, execpt those that wish to obfuscate the truth, like this man:

Blair welcomes Syria airstrikes, says ISIS ideology stretches ‘deep into Muslim society’

https://www.rt.com/uk/324729-blair-syria-airstrikes-isis/

Published time: 4 Dec, 2015 11:15

Former Prime Minister Tony Blair has praised the British government’s decision to extend airstrikes against Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL) from Iraq into Syria, calling it an “important” decision to confront threats “within our home.”

Speaking to an audience at the Library of Congress in Washington, Blair insisted that defeating the terror group on the ground is only the first step in tackling extremism, claiming the ideology itself must be eradicated.

On Wednesday evening British MPs voted overwhelmingly in favor of launching airstrikes against IS targets in Syria.

Mere hours after the vote, RAF Tornado jets carried out bombing raids on oilfields in the east of the country.

However, Blair cautioned that airstrikes are “only a necessary beginning.”

“For Europe, there is a huge calculation to be made. This security threat is at our door. It is actually within our home,” he said.

“We have a paramount interest in defeating it, which is why last night’s vote in the British House of Commons was so important.

“Europe has to create, within its nation states, the armed force capability to allow us not just to play our part, but to lead.”

Blair, who led the UK into the invasion of Iraq in 2003, said extremist ideology must be tackled in order to defeat IS. He claimed key aspects of IS ideology stretch “deep into parts of Muslim society.”

“A belief in innate hostility between Islam and the West is not the preserve of the few.

“Of course a large majority of Muslims completely reject Daesh (IS)-like jihadism and the terrorism which comes with it.

“However, in many Muslim countries large numbers also believe that the CIA or Jews were behind 9/11. Clerics who proclaim that non-believers and apostates must be killed or call for jihad against Jews have Twitter followings running into millions ... The ideology has deep roots. We have to reach right the way down and uproot it.”

He said IS and its allied groups must be defeated in Syria, Iraq, Libya, and parts of Egypt and sub-Saharan Africa.

“Defeating Daesh is only a necessary beginning. Force alone will not prevail. The challenge goes far wider and deeper than the atrocities of the jihadist fanatics. The Islamist ideology has also to be confronted.

“Today it can be, in alliance with the modernizing and sensible voices within Islam determined to take the name and reputation of the faith of Islam back from the extremists. A continued failure to recognize the scale of the challenge and to construct the means necessary to meet it, will result in terrorist attacks potentially worse than those in Paris, producing a backlash which then stigmatizes the majority of decent, law-abiding Muslims and puts the very alliance so necessary at risk, creating a further cycle of chaos and violence.”

A piece of advice Matt, when you go handing out apologies to online anonymous personalities because you have simply heard someone else say the same thing, you damage your credibility. Room 3327 has no credibility on this forum, absolutely none. A thinking man requires opinions to be backed up with facts, sources and checkable references, Room offers none of this, and never has done, during his hysterical shrieking that it is all as simple as blaming Islam.

Now, factor in that "Islam" has been logistically placed by the West in the heart of our communities and we have a perfect recipe for open ended perpetual war and a state of terrorist tension. The only thing that can save us is overt acknowledgement that the rule of international law is to be enforced, the criminals who have broken it will be investigated and hunted down in order to stand fair trial on the known unobfuscated facts. If that doesn't happen in a timely manner, the oppressed will just decide "Fuck it" and then we have a real problem. Those that have seen war spend the rest of their lives trying to prevent it or reveal themselves to be the monsters that their previous actions suggested.


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Holy smoke Batman! Erdogan has to go

https://www.rt.com/op-edge/324602-turkey-oil-batman-erdogan/

 Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has been shooting from the lip over the past week since the fatal shooting down of a Russian fighter jet. He truculently denied accusations of supporting terrorism, challenging Russia to prove it. Well, holy smoke Batman!

Yes, Batman. Not the caped screen hero. Instead, we’re talking about the city of the same name, located in Turkey’s southeastern region. It is where Turkey’s state-owned oil industry is centered.

Batman is also where the oil smuggling routes run by the Islamic State terror network are centered, according to surveillance images released this week by the Russian Defense Ministry.

Air reconnaissance photos show thousands of trucks running stolen oil from Syrian state-owned fields in the east of the country converging on the Turkish city of Batman, near the Syrian border.

The oil smuggling operation has been going for at least two years since the so-called Islamic State (IS) terror group took over the oilfields in eastern Syria near the city of Deir Ezzor. The illicit trade is reckoned to have been earning the jihadists up to $3 million a day to help fund their war against the Syrian government of President Assad.

But smuggled oil needs a buyer for the enterprise to work. Enter Turkey. This week, before the latest data release from the Russian Ministry of Defense, President Vladimir Putin repeated claims that Turkish authorities were involved in facilitating the terrorist oil trade. Putin told world leaders at the Paris climate change conference that this was a factor in why Turkish warplanes shot down a Russian fighter jet last week, with the loss of the pilot’s life and that of another serviceman during a follow-up rescue mission.
Erdogan reacted angrily to the claim, dismissing it as “slander”. Erdogan testily put the challenge to Russia to present its proof.

“The accusation that Turkey allegedly buys crude oil from Islamic State is unacceptable, and to say it is amoral,” said Erdogan. “You can’t just say things, you need to present evidence. If documents exist — let’s see them. If this fact is proven, I will not stay in my position.”

If Erdogan is a man of his word, which is doubtful, then he should start packing his bags. Right now.

The evidence presented by Russia’s military high command shows beyond any doubt that Turkey is central to Islamic State’s illegal oil trade and thus the terror group’s ability to fund its violence.

Russia’s Deputy Defense Minister Anatoly Antonov didn’t mince words about the revelation. He said: “According to our data, the top political leadership of the country – President Erdogan and his family – is involved in this criminal business.”

What is particularly incriminating from the Russian data is that the east Syrian oil route operated by IS is destined for the Turkish city of Batman. Batman is the heart of the Turk oil industry. It is where the country’s biggest oilfield is located and where major refineries are based.

From Batman there is a 500-kilometre pipeline running westwards to the Mediterranean port cities of Dortyol and Ceyhan, both located in the Gulf of Iskenderun. The pipeline, which has a capacity to supply up to 30 million barrels of crude oil a year, is owned and operated by Turkey’s state-owned BOTAS Petroleum Corporation.

The port of Ceyhan is where the licensed shipping company BMZ owned by President Erdogan’s son Bilal and other family members is based. BMZ is a big Turkish player in the global oil trade.

Significantly, Turkish newspaper Today's Zaman reported in September this year that Erdogan’s BMZ spent $36 million in acquiring two new oil tankers to bring its total fleet to five. The ships are believed to ferry much of their crude oil cargos to Japan and other Asian countries. Business is booming and it’s no wonder.

Putin had earlier responded to Erdogan’s denials of collusion in terrorist oil smuggling by saying that “it is hard to imagine how the Turkish authorities could not be aware of the industrial-scale transport of oil across its border.”

But now Russian aerial images have presented a complete picture of how this massive oil supply is being routed through Turkey with state-owned companies.

The personal complicity of Erdogan through his family shipping business makes his resignation unquestionable. Furthermore, the Turkish president should face prosecution for gross violations of international law amounting to war crimes.

Surely, the Americans must know about the industrial-scale oil smuggling routes? For more than a year, since the US began bombing raids on Syria, allegedly against the Islamic State terror network, the oil smuggling has been untouched.

This week, General Joseph Dunford, the Chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff, told a Congressional committee that it was only in the last two months that the Pentagon got serious with airstrikes on IS oil routes. He admitted that for more than a year, the Pentagon hadn’t bothered because it wasn’t communicating sufficiently with the State Department. Dunford and the US Defense Secretary Ashton Carter, who was also giving evidence to the same committee, both claimed that the decision not to strike oil trucks run by terrorists was to taken in order to “avoid civilian casualties.”

That explanation does not stack up. The fact is, as Russia’s Defense Ministry spokesman Lieutenant-General Sergey Rudskoy said; the US has done little to nothing to halt the terror oil trade out of Syria. Russia, by contrast, has destroyed dozens of oil processing facilities and over 1,000 trucks since it began its military intervention less than two months ago – wholesale damage that has cut terror smuggling revenues by 50 percent, according to the Russian military.

Now that Russia has presented a damning picture of how Islamic State and other jihadist terror groups have been financing their terror campaign in Syria a ball of questions is in the US court.

Turkey is a member of the US-led NATO military alliance, the organization supposedly responsible for maintaining security and defense in Europe. Turkey must surely be kicked out of NATO for its role in sponsoring terrorism.
How can France, in particular, remain in the same military alliance with a country that is financing terror groups that were involved in a mass killing on the streets of Paris only three weeks ago?

But Washington and its allies have much more to answer for. Oil convoys heading north into Turkey is just one half of a giant racket, with the other half involving convoys of weapons and jihadists fighters heading south into Syria. US and British military intelligence are implicated in this terror transmission, according to American journalist Seymour Hersh.

The weapons supply from Turkey to terror groups in Syria, with the collusion of Turkish state intelligence, is coming to light with the arrest last week of Turkish journalists who have dared to uncover the state-sponsored oil-for-weapons racket.

Russia’s latest evidence presents a stark choice. The world can now see who is fueling conflict and terrorism in Syria and beyond. Turkey is a state sponsor of terrorism. And other NATO members are also implicated. If legal sanctions do not follow, then we will know, chillingly, that the world has descended into gangsterism and barbarism.

Finian Cunningham (born 1963) has written extensively on international affairs, with articles published in several languages. Originally from Belfast, Northern Ireland, he is a Master’s graduate in Agricultural Chemistry and worked as a scientific editor for the Royal Society of Chemistry, Cambridge, England, before pursuing a career in newspaper journalism. For over 20 years he worked as an editor and writer in major news media organizations, including The Mirror, Irish Times and Independent. Now a freelance journalist based in East Africa, his columns appear on RT, Sputnik, Strategic Culture Foundation and Press TV.


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Iran has documents on Turkey buying oil from ISIL

http://en.mehrnews.com/news/112542/Iran-has-documents-on-Turkey-buying-oil-from-ISIL?

Sat 5 December 2015 - 09:16

TEHRAN, Dec. 05 (MNA) – The Secretary of the Expediency Council Mohsen Rezaei said Friday Iran holds documents that prove Ankara is buying oil from the terrorist group ISIL and is ready to present them.

Mohsen Rezaei said Friday that Iranian military advisers in Syria have filmed and photographed all routes used by ISIL operatives for smuggling oil from fields in eastern Syria to sell it to Turkey as their main client.

“Countries gripped by the scourge of terrorism must remain calm and reduce tension among themselves and use their might and capacities for rooting out ISIL,” he said.

To a question as why Turkish officials deny every claim that they are actual clients of oil sold by ISIL, Rezaei said “in case the Turkish government is unaware that Ankara is buying oil from ISIL, we are prepared to show them all the evidence they need.”

Following the downing of the Russian jet by Turkish military on Nov. 24, reports have emerged which claim to have documents on the involvement of Turkey in buying oil from ISIL. The Russian President has accused Turkey of shooting down its fighter jet to protect energy supplies from the terrorist militants. Turkish President Recep Teyyip Erdogan said he will resign if this is confirmed.

Turkey has also been facing criticism for facilitating militants’ border crossings to join ISIL in Syria, as well as for providing assistance to Takfiri terrorists waging war in the Arab country.


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Did Turkey Just Invade Iraq To Protect Erdogan's ISIS Oil Smuggling Routes?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-05/did-turkey-just-invade-iraq-protect-erdogans-isis-oil-smuggling-routes

Submitted by Tyler Durden on 12/05/2015 08:53 -0500

On Friday, Turkey sent troops into Iraq.

Contrary to what you might have read, there’s really nothing unusual about that.

As you may recall, Turkey’s military entered Iraq back in September in hot pursuit of PKK “terrorists” Ankara claimed had fled over the border. And that was just par for the proverbial course.  Here’s what we said at the time:

    In early 2008, Turkish soldiers entered Iraq in a similar effort to eradicate the PKK. "Operation Sun", as the incursion was called, was conducted with Washington's blessing for the most part. "Washington described the PKK as a 'common enemy', and only urged Ankara to keep its incursion short and closely focused," BBC noted at the time, adding that "the positions of the UN and EU have been similar, suggesting a degree of sympathy with Turkey's cause."
     
    And then there was "Operation Steel" in 1995. And "Operation Hammer" in 1997." And "Operation Dawn." And the aplty named "Operation Northern Iraq."

    You get the idea.

    So while history doesn't repeat itself, it damn sure rhymes and here we are again watching as the Turkish military crosses the Iraqi border as though it's not even there chasing "terrorists" up into the mountains.


What’s different this time around, is that this isn’t a Kurd-chasing mission.

In fact, if you believe the official line, it’s the exact opposite. Turkey has apparently had some 90 troops on the ground in Bashiqa “for two years” on a mission to “train” the Peshmerga. The new troops - around 150 personnel supported by two dozen tanks- will “take over the mission,” according to Hurriyet. “Turkey will have a permanent military base in the Bashiqa region of Mosul as the Turkish forces in the region training the Peshmerga forces have been reinforced,” the daily continues, adding that “the deal regarding the base was signed between Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG) President Massoud Barzani and Turkish Foreign Minister Feridun Sinirlioglu, during the latter’s visit to northern Iraq on Nov. 4.”

Ok, so what’s important to remember here is that although Erdogan is no “fan-o’-Kurds”, Ankara is friendly with the KRG and indeed, Barzani’s 632,000 b/d oil operation (which, you’re reminded, runs independent of SOMO, much to Baghdad’s chagrin) depends heavily on a pipeline that runs from Iraq to Ceyhan. Over the summer, the PKK attacked the pipeline costing the KRG some $250 million in lost revenue. As Rudaw noted at the time, that amounts to an entire month’s worth of salaries for the Peshmerga and other security forces, underscoring the extent to which oil sales via Turkey are crucial to the government in Erbil.

You might also remember from "ISIS Oil Trade Full Frontal: "Raqqa's Rockefellers", Bilal Erdogan, KRG Crude, And The Israel Connection," that there seems to be some commingling going on when it comes to Turkish and ISIS crude. Technically, both are "illegal" and because the 45,000 or so barrels per day that ISIS pumps are so inconsequential in the large scheme of things, it's easy for Islamic State crude to get "lost" in the shuffle once it gets to Turkey which works out great for those involved in the smuggling operation (as an aside, Russia has identified what Moscow says are other ISIS oil smuggling routes but we'll focus on northern Iraq for now).

You might notice that there's a certian irony to this whole thing as it relates to the KRG. What the Al-Araby al-Jadeed report (cited in the article linked above) suggests is that the Kurds in Iraq are to some extent complicit in the entire operation which is amusing because it's the sale of undocumented Kurdish crude that allegedly funds the Peshmerga's fight against Islamic State. As with every other dynamic in the region, the entire thing is impossibly convoluted.

With that in mind, consider where these Turkish troops (who, again, are supposed to be "training" the Peshmerga) are located.

So they're right next to Mosul and right between the Kurds and ISIS and, most importantly of all, right on what Al-Araby al-Jadeed claims is the smuggling route for illegal ISIS crude into Turkey from Iraq.

The star on the map is Zakho. Araby al-Jadeed, citing an unnamed Kurdish security officials, employees at the Ibrahim Khalil border crossing between Turkey and Iraqi Kurdistan, and an official at one of three oil companies that deal in IS-smuggled oil, says that once Islamic State oil "is extracted and loaded, the oil tankers leave Nineveh province and head north to the city of Zakho, 88km north of Mosul [and] after IS oil lorries arrive in Zakho - normally 70 to 100 of them at a time - they are met by oil smuggling mafias, a mix of Syrian and Iraqi Kurds, in addition to some Turks and Iranians."

Araby al-Jadeed's story takes a turn for the fantastic after that, but the point is that it seems extraordinarily convenient that just as Russia is making an all-out effort to expose Turkey's role in financing Islamic State's lucrative oil operation and also to destroy ISIS oil convoys in Syria, that Ankara would dispatch troops and two dozen tanks to the exact place in Iraq where some reports suggest the heart of ISIS' Iraqi oil operation lies.

For his part, Iraqi PM Haider al-Abadi has called for Turkey to "immediately" withdraw its troops. He also calls Ankara's incursion a "violation of sovereignty." Here's the full statement.

    It has been confirmed to us that Turkish troops numbering around one regiment armoured with tanks and artillery entered the Iraqi territory, and specifically the province of Nineveh claim that they are training Iraqi groups without the request or authorization from the Iraqi federal authorities and this is considered a serious breach of Iraqi sovereignty and does not conform with the good neighbourly relations between Iraq and Turkey.

    The Iraqi authorities call on Turkey to respect good neighbourly relations and to withdraw immediately from the Iraqi territory.

That would seem to indicate that Baghdad has never approved the "training mission" that Ankara claims has been going on east of Mosul for two years.

Furthermore, this underscores the fact that Iraq does not want help from NATO when it comes to fighting ISIS. As we reported last week, Iraqis generally believe the US is in bed with Islamic State and you can bet that Russia and Iran will be keen on advising Baghdad to be exceptionally assertive when it comes to expelling a highly suspicious Turkish presence near Najma.

Ultimately, this is yet another escalation from Erdogan and the timing, location, and vague explanation raise all sorts of questions about what exactly those 150 troops and 25 tanks are doing but you can be sure that if Baghdad rebukes Washington and green lights Russian recon and airstrikes in Iraq, we'll find out soon enough.


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Now that Russia has presented a damning picture of how Islamic State and other jihadist terror groups have been financing their terror campaign in Syria a ball of questions is in the US court.

Turkey is a member of the US-led NATO military alliance, the organization supposedly responsible for maintaining security and defense in Europe. Turkey must surely be kicked out of NATO for its role in sponsoring terrorism.

How can France, in particular, remain in the same military alliance with a country that is financing terror groups that were involved in a mass killing on the streets of Paris only three weeks ago?

But Washington and its allies have much more to answer for. Oil convoys heading north into Turkey is just one half of a giant racket, with the other half involving convoys of weapons and jihadists fighters heading south into Syria. US and British military intelligence are implicated in this terror transmission, according to American journalist Seymour Hersh.

The weapons supply from Turkey to terror groups in Syria, with the collusion of Turkish state intelligence, is coming to light with the arrest last week of Turkish journalists who have dared to uncover the state-sponsored oil-for-weapons racket.

Russia’s latest evidence presents a stark choice. The world can now see who is fueling conflict and terrorism in Syria and beyond. Turkey is a state sponsor of terrorism. And other NATO members are also implicated. If legal sanctions do not follow, then we will know, chillingly, that the world has descended into gangsterism and barbarism.


NATO and the West are raising on a busted flush.

The Turks are going to be thrown under the bus to cover NATO complicity in the creation and sustained support of ISIS (Al Qaeda) to covertly achieve geopolitical goals.

The invasion of Iraq with Turkish tanks and troops NE of Mosul is an act of war. 2016 will be the year of the third major battle of the only World War.


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Military chiefs warned Cameron against using 70,000 ‘moderate’ rebels figure

https://www.rt.com/uk/324733-cameron-syria-moderate-rebels/

Published time: 4 Dec, 2015 11:48

Ministry of Defence (MoD) bosses warned Prime Minister David Cameron against claiming there are 70,000 moderate Syrian rebels ready to fight Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL), fearing the assertion would echo Tony Blair’s Iraq “dodgy dossier.”

The revelation comes after the House of Commons voted to extend airstrikes from Iraq into Syria, with the first bombs falling hours later.

According to the Times newspaper, military figures also feared Cameron’s claim of such a rebel force may lead MPs to wrongly believe there was a ready-made army on the ground in Syria, therefore influencing the vote.

This led to concerns in the upper echelons of the military establishment that such a claim would later become the Syria war’s “dodgy dossier,” echoing Tony Blair’s now debunked 2003 claims that Saddam Hussein’s regime could launch weapons of mass destruction within 45 minutes.

“There were Ministry of Defence officials who maybe felt scarred after the previous dossier,” a senior Whitehall source told the Times.

“They looked at the latest text and said that [the 70,000 figure] could become the ‘45 minutes’ moment of this document.

“The concern was … [that the 70,000 figure] will become the one thing that everyone latches on to, like the 45 minutes claim.”

Some of the most vocal critics of Cameron’s claim were among his own party.

During the ten-hour debate on Wednesday, Julian Lewis, Tory chairman of the influential Defence Select Committee, told MPs: “Instead of having dodgy dossiers, we now have bogus battalions of moderate fighters.”

Speaking to Sky News on Thursday, Lewis said: “Where are these magical 70,000 people and if they are there fighting, how come they haven’t been able to roll back ISIL/Daesh?”

“Is it that they’re in the wrong place? Is it that they’re fighting each other? Or is it that in reality they’re not all that moderate and that there are a lot of jihadists among them?” he asked.

Cameron 'deceitful' in Syria Statement – Peter Ford

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh1BbvbMOp4

https://www.rt.com/op-edge/323561-david-cameron-isis-strategy/

RT: David Cameron says a campaign would not repeat the fate of the air strikes in Libya back in 2011 which brought the country to ruins. Are you buying that?

PF: No way. Who is he to say? He talks about sending 70,000 opposition forces. By the way, at least 90 percent of those are jihadis - a slightly different persuasion from IS, but they are Islamist fundamentalists radicals supported by Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Qatar. These are the people that he wants to put in place of Assad. These are the so-called moderates. We saw these moderates three nights ago on television when they downed the Russian plane, shot the pilot descending in his parachute and then pulling the corpse like hyenas. These are the moderates in the book of Mr. Cameron. That is no replacement for the responsible Syrian government that we need to see.


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Why the US, France and Britain are destroying Syria

https://www.rt.com/op-edge/324853-us-france-britain-syria/

Published time: 5 Dec, 2015 13:24

Since Russia stepped up to the plate, suddenly western countries can’t wait to bomb ISIS. Are they now there to get the job done? Or are they there to stop Russia increasing its influence, and to make sure it doesn’t succeed where they failed?

The world is falling over itself to bomb Syria.

The following statement from Reuters summarizes the situation: “Most of the world's powers are now flying combat missions over Iraq and Syria against Islamic State. But any consensus on how to proceed has been thwarted by opposing policies over the 4-year-old civil war in Syria, which has killed 250,000 people, driven 11 million from their homes, left swathes of territory in the hands of jihadist fighters and defied all diplomatic efforts at a solution.”

While it may seem to the outside observer that this catalogue of mayhem is the result of incompetence, to me – on the contrary – it is evidence of things going to plan.

I have never, thus far, seen a war the ruling elite clearly wanted to happen not happen.

Here, as in all other cases, there has been a bit of hand-wringing, some crying, some protests, some moving speeches. But like the morality plays of medieval times, after enjoying the sermon dressed as entertainment, life has inevitably carried on as normal with the barons raping and pillaging and everyone else having to put up with that reality.

Destruction of Syria is the plan

This time the plan – at least judging from the outcomes – is to destroy Syria.

Syria has been anathema to the self-appointed arbiters of righteousness: the ‘international community’, that coterie of hypocrites which arrogates to itself the monopoly on meting out death to those who won’t get with the program.

This group dislikes Syria which has had an uncompromising stance towards Israel and an independent financial system, and is using the chance to destroy it to flood Europe with refugees, thus further debasing the makeup of its constituent nations, and simultaneously justifying a lockdown in those countries.

Enter Putin

Everything was going swimmingly until Putin stepped in.

While many in the West who have grown jaundiced at the obvious usurpation of our governments by outside interests ascribe almost saint-like motivations to Putin, I do not. He is a superb strategist. Exactly what he is strategizing for is not clear yet.

What is clear is that his move into Syria threw a spanner in the works of a status quo the US was quite happy with: growing terrorism and mayhem in Syria and spreading nicely to Europe.

Assad himself said a few days ago to the BBC (courtesy of Czech Television) that ISIS was growing smaller after Russian bombing intervention whereas moves by other countries served only to strengthen ISIS and increase their recruitment.

He added: "The facts are telling."

So what do the facts tell?

They tell us that Russia is the only country involved to date which has the removal of ISIS as an actual goal.

Russia is also the only country with a legitimate mandate under international law.

In addition, ISIS was most eloquently outed by author and journalist Gearóid Ó Colmáin on Russia Today as a US creation.

In this scenario, the reason for further western efforts in the region is looking increasingly like an attempt to prevent Russia from routing its assets or achieving the informational coup that would follow.

France and Britain milking the crises


The propaganda war is hotting up, with western press issuing unsubstantiated and emotional surmise as news.

Meanwhile, the French and the British are now, of course, bombing Syria.

At home, the French government not only voted to bomb but enacted ‘emergency’ powers at the same time. And Holland wants to change the constitution to extend these powers.

The Telegraph states: “The draft “Protection of the Nation” bill […] would extend the right to strip French citizenship from dual nationals convicted of terrorism offences by also including people born in France.

It would also prolong certain powers after a state of emergency was lifted.

No time limit will be inscribed in the constitution under the new proposals. As is currently the case, parliament will decide how long a given state of emergency should last.”

This all looks so like a dictator’s wet dream, it takes an effort of will to believe it has not been planned this way.

And a man no less respected than Dr. Paul Craig Roberts, formerly Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Economic Policy and associate editor of the Wall Street Journal, has raised legitimate questions about the official line on the Paris attacks.

He says: “European peoples want to be French, German, Dutch, Italian, Hungarian, Czech, British. They do not want their countries to be a diverse Tower of Babel created by millions of refugees from Washington’s wars.

To remain a nationality unto themselves is what Pegida, Farage, and Le Pen offer the voters.

Realizing its vulnerability, it is entirely possible that the French Establishment made a decision to protect its hold on power with a false flag attack that would allow the Establishment to close France’s borders and, thereby, deprive Marine Le Pen of her main political issue.”

The same event, of course, justifies France’s bombing of Syria.

The British government for its part – despite some theatrical hand-wringing – has got on the bandwagon and opted to join in whatever further criminality the US has planned in Syria.

As though to justify the decision, the Telegraph breathlessly informs us that ISIS (or ISIL as it calls it) is planning to attack the UK “next”.

It says: “There are unconfirmed reports that Isil has decided that the next target of an attack will be Britain. European security agencies, citing specific intelligence that had been obtained, stated that British Isil operatives in Syria and Iraq were being tasked to return home to launch an attack, CNN reported.”

This is the level of the propaganda now: CNN reports security agencies who say that a terrorist group whose name changes every five minutes might be sending members to Britain to do harm.

But this is unconfirmed.

The real reason for this war


I’m going to simplify things: the Plan for a New American Century – a document which was created by neoconservative warmongers in or close to power under George Bush Jr. – listed countries which it wanted the US to attack, namely: North Korea, Iraq, Iran, Libya and Syria.

The journal-neo.org site states: “[all were] pinpointed as enemies of the U.S. well before the illegal war in Iraq in 2003, as well as the illegal 2011 war in Libya and the ongoing proxy war in Syria.”

Retired US General Wesley Clarke went on record in 2007 stating that the fix was in: the U.S. had unilaterally decided to destroy Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and Iran.

This is not some wild-eyed conspiracy theorist. Clarke was a four-star general, and the man who commanded Operation Allied Force in the Kosovo War during his term as the Supreme Allied Commander in Europe of NATO from 1997 to 2000.

The pretense of choice

Any objective assessment of who benefits from attacks upon the countries Clarke mentioned would not include any European country – or even the U.S. for that matter.

But the subtext is clear: if Europeans don’t want to take part, terrorist attacks will be allowed or contrived until they acquiesce.

In short: the ruling elite wants this war. Our pretend governments voted it through on the nod. And we the people will have to deal with the fallout and put up with random terrorist acts if we wake up and speak out about how this charade is rigged.

At the same time, the people of Syria are subject to bombing raids by the US, France and the UK – none of which have any invitation from the legitimate government of that country – actions which, properly speaking, are acts of war against the country the perpetrators claim to want to help.

My prediction: the clean-up operation Russia initiated and Assad approves of will be made to fail; terrorism will increase and spread into Europe; and mass immigration from Syria and that area to Europe will continue; and acts of terrorism on European soil will magically justify endless war, internal lock-down, wholesale surveillance, detention without trial, and troops on the street.

And this – in the absence of hard evidence based in action to the contrary – I can only see as the actual plan.

Do you remember voting for that?

No, nor do I.

Sam Gerrans is an English writer, translator, support counselor and activist. He also has professional backgrounds in media, strategic communications and technology. He is driven by commitment to ultimate meaning, and focused on authentic approaches to revelation and realpolitik. He is the founder of Quranite.com – where the Qur’an is explored on the basis of reason rather than tradition – and offers both individual language training and personal support and counseling online at SkypeTalking.com.


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What is presently unfolding in Syria is the
continuation of an ages old struggle, according
to Kerth Barker who is a survivor from "within."


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The Saker offers analysis of NATO's recent actions
regarding Turkey/Russia/Syria and how the PLAN
for confrontation/war with Russia is advancing.

Comments following the analysis are particularly
illuminating.

It is becoming quite clear now how Damascus is
part of the equation and how its near future destruction
might be accomplished.  The West is getting desperately
frantic as it continually rattles its sabers.


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Funny ol' Kerth Barker left out Freemasons and Zionists.

And by 2030 the nuclear radiation being expelled from Fukushima
will leave this planet as a dead rock.  They can amass all the power
and gold they want, it won't do them any good.  The Samson
Option has been played; all the rest is just Hollywood.

As been said, I'll see you all on the other side...
   

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I have not yet come across anyone who is in agreement with you Room3327, execpt those that wish to obfuscate the truth, like this man:

Blair welcomes Syria airstrikes, says ISIS ideology stretches ‘deep into Muslim society’

https://www.rt.com/uk/324729-blair-syria-airstrikes-isis/

Published time: 4 Dec, 2015 11:15

Former Prime Minister Tony Blair has praised the British government’s decision to extend airstrikes against Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL) from Iraq into Syria, calling it an “important” decision to confront threats “within our home.”

Speaking to an audience at the Library of Congress in Washington, Blair insisted that defeating the terror group on the ground is only the first step in tackling extremism, claiming the ideology itself must be eradicated.

On Wednesday evening British MPs voted overwhelmingly in favor of launching airstrikes against IS targets in Syria.

Mere hours after the vote, RAF Tornado jets carried out bombing raids on oilfields in the east of the country.

However, Blair cautioned that airstrikes are “only a necessary beginning.”

“For Europe, there is a huge calculation to be made. This security threat is at our door. It is actually within our home,” he said.

“We have a paramount interest in defeating it, which is why last night’s vote in the British House of Commons was so important.

“Europe has to create, within its nation states, the armed force capability to allow us not just to play our part, but to lead.”

Blair, who led the UK into the invasion of Iraq in 2003, said extremist ideology must be tackled in order to defeat IS. He claimed key aspects of IS ideology stretch “deep into parts of Muslim society.”

“A belief in innate hostility between Islam and the West is not the preserve of the few.

“Of course a large majority of Muslims completely reject Daesh (IS)-like jihadism and the terrorism which comes with it.

“However, in many Muslim countries large numbers also believe that the CIA or Jews were behind 9/11. Clerics who proclaim that non-believers and apostates must be killed or call for jihad against Jews have Twitter followings running into millions ... The ideology has deep roots. We have to reach right the way down and uproot it.”

He said IS and its allied groups must be defeated in Syria, Iraq, Libya, and parts of Egypt and sub-Saharan Africa.

“Defeating Daesh is only a necessary beginning. Force alone will not prevail. The challenge goes far wider and deeper than the atrocities of the jihadist fanatics. The Islamist ideology has also to be confronted.

“Today it can be, in alliance with the modernizing and sensible voices within Islam determined to take the name and reputation of the faith of Islam back from the extremists. A continued failure to recognize the scale of the challenge and to construct the means necessary to meet it, will result in terrorist attacks potentially worse than those in Paris, producing a backlash which then stigmatizes the majority of decent, law-abiding Muslims and puts the very alliance so necessary at risk, creating a further cycle of chaos and violence.”

A piece of advice Matt, when you go handing out apologies to online anonymous personalities because you have simply heard someone else say the same thing, you damage your credibility. Room 3327 has no credibility on this forum, absolutely none. A thinking man requires opinions to be backed up with facts, sources and checkable references, Room offers none of this, and never has done, during his hysterical shrieking that it is all as simple as blaming Islam.

Now, factor in that "Islam" has been logistically placed by the West in the heart of our communities and we have a perfect recipe for open ended perpetual war and a state of terrorist tension. The only thing that can save us is overt acknowledgement that the rule of international law is to be enforced, the criminals who have broken it will be investigated and hunted down in order to stand fair trial on the known unobfuscated facts. If that doesn't happen in a timely manner, the oppressed will just decide "Fuck it" and then we have a real problem. Those that have seen war spend the rest of their lives trying to prevent it or reveal themselves to be the monsters that their previous actions suggested.


EA,
I have heard it all, doesn't bother me anymore call me what you like and I have probably never had any credibility on this forum any way so doesn't much matter, I'd like to see you blow me some more bubbles in the bathtub.

Anyway for anyone who cares about our future, here is a video that very nicely sums me up, this man is my mental doppleganger, if you want to know me and where I am at please watch this to the end.  And if it offends anyone too bad the truth hurts sometimes get over it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsDu8Os3PlA

Room3327

By the way EA you say nobody agrees with me except one man, and that one man you quote turns out to be non other then Tony Blair, well if you don't believe me, you just might consider believing him?


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Room3327,

The Glazov video is interesting and quite
revealing.  It reinforces the notion that
Radical Islam is strikingly similar to
Radical Judah-ism.  While they seem to
present themselves as being polar opposites,
their methods and goals are nearly identical.

Radical Islam is, in fact, a creation of Radical
Judah-ism, otherwise known as Zionism.  As
we proceed into the Apocalypse, where all
secrets will be revealed and all darkness will
be exposed to the light
, this "joined-at-the-hip"
relationship will become obvious.

Henry Makow - The Culling of the Goyim

John Kaminski - The Chicken Bone in America's Throat

Why the U.S., France and Britain are Destroying Syria

The Syrian Holocaust - A Preplanned Genocide and Forced Exodus


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This seems like a likely scenario. I quoted just the last point to see all go to the article.

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=125696

Small Quote from article. Which outlines an eye witness report of three shooters tall athletic and White.

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3. What About Those Three Tall Athletic White Guys the Witness Saw Shooting People? (H/T dougross) – CBS News did an interview with a witness, Sally Abdelmageed, via the phone right after the attack. What she described was:

“three men, dressed in all black, military attire with vests on holding assault rifles and one of them opened up the door to building three… and he… opens up the door to building three and … he… starts to spray, shoot all over into the room… I couldn’t see a face, he had a black hat on (mask) and uh, from my view all I could see was a black hat (mask) and long sleeve shirt… black cargo pants with zippers on the sides, big puffy pockets, he had a huge assault rifle and extra ammo… I just saw three dressed exactly the same…. their skin tone looked white. They looked like they were athletic build. They appeared to be tall” Sally Abdelmageed

If you go to the CBS “News” website to view the interview, you may be out of luck. The video doesn’t appear to be working anymore. What a shock.

However, I found it on Youtube. You might want to download a copy of it since it seems destined for the memory hole.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwTYja7GXcY  (video not available in Australia on you tube)

Some might try to claim the “fog of war” effected Sally’s memory of the events. But she seems very specific in her description of the events and her story matches the official version in many ways.

We know a third individual was arrested after “fleeing” the scene. And we also know initial reports told us it was three assailants who attacked the center.

Her description of the “very large rifle” also fits the narrative.

The official story says the assailants wore black tactical gear and masks, what she describes as “hats” that kept her from seeing their faces.

However, aside from the fact that we are told it was two shooters and not three, what also doesn’t fit is this:

A psy-ops theory might go like this - The suspects were watched for some time, and some time after the suspect (now dead) guy left the party, three men did the deed, two well paid and well trained operatives and one back up lackey (just in case he is needed) the two trained guys probably did all the shooting and then left the lackey behind when they left the scene. The lackey then takes off on his own to a safe house and is kept in the dark about the operation (possibly hypnotized). Then the deed is blamed on the suspects (now dead), they find out from whatever means (news) so they try to flee and get killed. Would be easy enough to pull off. in my opinion. If anything goes wrong the lackey gets the blame as a homegrown shooter. Remember all were wearing masks so a positive id of the shooters at the scene is almost impossible without some footage of them or something. Where is the security footage ?

There is a similar strangeness to this event as was with Sandy Hook and the Colorado theater shooting ect..

Lots of people in the U.S. have the very same type of "military style AR15's", I seen one on the Gator Boys TV show just yesterday. A guy was making to shoot an aligator with an AR15 with double vertical grips and accessories. He was hyped up and ready to shred the alligator with his legal AR15. That is what they are for, self protection, in that mode it is a tool and not a weapon. Just like a pencil can be just a pencil or it can be used to stab someone in the eye, then it is a weapon. Very simple. I do understand that the generic design of the AR15 is for a weapon of war, but with no full auto they are already restricted and more of a tool like a self loading center fire hunting rifle.

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If I were hunting pigs in Australia and shooting them I would rather have a semi auto (self loading) SKK - AK or an AR15 than a bolt action .303 or .222 . In order of preference. Pigs charge you if you get too close and piss them off.

I don't like the front vertical hand grip though, maybe if it were horizontal, but still just more to get in the way and snag on stuff.
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Terrorism:  Sayed Ali Khamenei's  Letter to the Youth of the West

Why The West has chosen to utilize terrorism
to further its ends is difficult for people of good
will to comprehend.  Those who live by the sword
are destined to die by the sword...


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I have not yet come across anyone who is in agreement with you Room3327, execpt those that wish to obfuscate the truth, like this man:
That is what I said.

By the way EA you say nobody agrees with me except one man, and that one man you quote turns out to be non other then Tony Blair, well if you don't believe me, you just might consider believing him?
That is what I did not say.


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We all must die of something !
But those who do not live by the sword are being slaughtered by the millions now,
including the Iraq and Afgan Wars the number of "innocent un armed civilians"
have been killed in horrendous ways, by bombs (people are suffering shell shock afterwards
if not killed, and PTS), by helicopter 20 and 30 mm cannon fire (which basically explodes people),
and by all other so called "uncivilized ways" all do the same thing !
Cause severe shock to the living and some die long, slow and painful deaths.
The relatives of these people usually number more than is killed so they all want
revenge which is normal and should be expected. All part of the Plan. I guess. 

I think a great many people are becoming aware of the real causes behind the problems,
maybe some are just beginning to get it and it is confusing, but I think in general people smell a rat,
and it is in the house, unfortunately, I still see a bad ending to all this, for everyone.

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Britain wants its guns back

http://www.thecommentator.com/article/3644/britain_wants_its_guns_back

by The Commentator on 29 May 2013 00:45

A Daily Telegraph online poll has revealed that over 80 percent of Brits would rather a repeal on the hand gun ban over various other "new law" choices

Last Friday the Daily Telegraph, Britain's most widely read broadsheet newspaper, issued an online poll asking members of the public which proposal they would like to see introduced as a Private Members' Bill in the UK's Parliament.

Private Members' Bills are introduced by Members of Parliament or Peers who are not government ministers.

The choices include term limits for Prime Ministers, a flat tax, a law to encourage the 'greening' of public spaces and the repealing of Britain's hand gun ban. Following the Dunblane massacre in 1996, in which 16 schoolchildren were killed, Parliament passed The Firearms Act of 1997, which essentially banned handguns for the atrocity.

But Britons seem unconvinced by the law. The proposer, known as "Colliemum" asked, "...why should only criminals be 'allowed' to possess guns and shoot unarmed, defenceless citizens and police officers?"

While the poll continues, so far over 80 percent of the 11,000+ respondents have told the Telegraph that they want to see the handgun ban repealed. The news comes as America contemplates its own new laws on gun ownership, with British talk show host Piers Morgan claiming to back a UK-style ban for the United States.

While gun crime soared after the British ban in 1997, rates of gun violence have fallen, especially in British cities, following more spending by police forces into tackling gun crime. Police in England and Wales recorded 5,911 firearms offences in 2011/12, a reduction of 42 percent compared with nine years earlier, according to the Office for National Statistics.

But statistics from the United States show that guns are used by citizens to defend themselves around eighty times more often than they are used to take a life. A recent study published in the Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy concluded that there is a negative correlation between gun ownership and violent crime in countries internationally, that is, “where firearms are most dense violent crime rates are lowest, and where guns are least dense violent crime rates are highest."

British versus American statistics perhaps displays nothing more than one country investing more in the government response to criminality, while the other maintains a citizen-based response.

Two other options were presented in the Telegraph poll, which were the closing of the child maintenance loophole and a banning of spitting in public.


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Who knows. But, there can't be too many good outcomes compared to bad outcomes, is my logic.
Let's just hope that sanity prevails.
   

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Yeah can't agree with you Room. I've known plenty of Muslims that are wonderful people. When I was in PK I had several conversations with locals who said that quote "Good Muslims are good Christians" referring to the similarities in the two. Jesus etc. The inquisition was a bit shit for a lot of ppl but you cant blame the religion. Its always the people. Now if only the west would stop funding them...
   

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Yeah can't agree with you Room. I've known plenty of Muslims that are wonderful people. When I was in PK I had several conversations with locals who said that quote "Good Muslims are good Christians" referring to the similarities in the two. Jesus etc. The inquisition was a bit shit for a lot of ppl but you cant blame the religion. Its always the people. Now if only the west would stop funding them...

Yeah I can't agree with you JB you, obviously to those that have studied islam, do not know much of anything about islam.  Those same wonderful people you know, will not hesitate to cut your throat when islam says it is time. In islam if you do not do as instructed you are considered an apostate and you are killed.  Their Jesus or Isa as they know him is a completely different person and story, according to islam Jesus did not die on the cross but some other person was killed in his place, he never rose from the dead and according to them when he comes back he will KILL all the Christians and Jews that refuse to become muslim.  There is so much more everyone should know about islam that I think I had better start posting koran details because  most of you have no idea of whats taught to muslims.  I have implored the people here to do their own studying of islam but most have the same attitude as you and again I have heard it all and I stand my ground. There is almost no similarity between Christianity and islam.  Do they teach Christians to murder people of all other faiths, is the murder condoned and blessed by our Christian God, Have Christians been tasked with the job of killing anyone who won't convert to Christianity to make the whole world Christian, there is so much you don't know about islam I don't understand how you can disagree with me you don't have enough knowledge to do so. I hope you also know that muslims are taught to smile at you while hating you in their heart, their taught to lie to you and taught what to say to you to lessen your Kufar fears, an extremly derogatory term for the rest of us on the planet.  I will have to start posting the truth as long as you people think I can't back up everything I say, I was hoping you would all find the truth on your own but after 10 years of banging on it I can see it's not going to happen. Yes you can blame religion's for any atrocities that people commit in the name of their religion and we the people of the US are not funding them because we want to, it is our muslim POTUS that is doing all this, I didn't vote for him and totally disagree with all of his policies.

Cheers
Room


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