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electricity and e motors « on: 2023-01-12, 01:21:58 »
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ELECTRICITY AND ELECTRIC MOTOR

In order to achieve something worth achieving, one must know electricity. Electricity is the only worker that the Creator uses to create the physical world. Electricity creates two opposite effects with one direction – one is gravity which pushes to the centre from the outside and the other is from the centre to the outside. We call this compression and expansion or centripetal and centrifugal forces.

For us that are building e motors, these forces must be known, including the octave pressures which are nature’s multiplication processes. Coils wounded in nature’s way create a higher potential without wasting energy through heat. What e unity did is combine all that it could to achieve a higher potential. Here is the list that we thought is very important for electric motors:

USING BOTH SIDES OF THE COIL . Even today many are forgetting the importance of it.

USING A COIL THAT COPIES NATURE’S PROCESSES. This means  2 coils working in unison.                                    C   AND C C wounded coils   
 
USING BOTH SIDES PUSH AND PULL  adds tremendously to the efficiency.

LINE OF FORCE. Steady from beginning to end.

CONICAL COILS.    Concentrate power to point where the electrical vortex is at its maximum
                                   plus magnet to metal exposure is minimal.

BIFILAR COILS.  Add extra power plus electricity is much cleaner.

COILS ARE INSTALLED IN POSITION    where they can create maximum                                                                 
                                                           work
LEVER               With bigger diameter of rotor we can achieve a much higher torque.


Most of these points have been known to us and just common sense.


What we can assume now is that one horsepower from our motor is around 300W.

On our website in the demo videos, the third video is a demonstration of what happens to our input when a load is added on the generator.


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Re: electricity and e motors « Reply #1 on: 2023-01-14, 03:39:53 »
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One of the biggest stumbling blocks, as I see it in our work, is unlearning the false. The information that we were taught is just about useless. When information is replaced with knowledge that is learned by research, practice and experimenting, then progress is possible.

One example is the atom. We were taught that round balls jump from somewhere to create nucleus and then more balls start to run around and around.

We have heard about the periodic chart of elements. When matter starts from the first octave up to the 9th octave, each step is so precise while the volume decreases, frequency and potential increase. With such high precision, that it is not possible for man to understand. Looking at these 2 stories, which are totally opposite of each other. One has total order, the other is total chaos. How can we believe in both at the same time? Without knowledge and clear vision, it is very hard to move forward.

It is the same as when we try to build something better and more efficient then what is known on the market today, at the same time believing in the thermodynamic laws which tell us that it is impossible.

Now we know that with building a coil, we missed the mark totally. Nature’s processes are very simple and more effort must be put into understanding its ways.

The frequency of several hundred billion times in a second , like our sun, electricity must have a simple system of action and reaction to achieve that repetition. The good news is, that we are starting to grasp some of the secrets and we are moving forward – screaming, pulling hair..but moving.
   
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Re: electricity and e motors « Reply #2 on: 2023-01-14, 05:23:08 »
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  Right about them atoms. Can't trust them at all. They make up everything. C.C
   
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Re: electricity and e motors « Reply #3 on: 2023-01-17, 03:45:43 »
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Why the story about atoms? It is a good example to see how stories are with us, but have no meaning in nature for our reality. Octave pressures are in our musical notes, our math is built on it , chemistry could not exist without it. The other story that I call Neil Balls is a total fabrication like many others. They exist only to distract us from finding the truth.

Electricity is very simple. It follows strict laws and is very efficient. When you know the secrets of electricity, and use it in building electrical machinery, they will definitely be much higher in efficiency or we call it over unity. It cannot be any other way. This is the reason that the engineering community is   
so mesmerized with the thermodynamics law so that they couldn’t find this fact. I think these laws are the biggest deterrent  in human progress in the last hundred years. Our textbooks are incorrect or totally false when describing the workings of electricity.

Today’s electric motor is capable of pushing with 3 kilowatts a generator, somewhere around the same wattage, and producing roughly around 2500 watts. An electric motor, built with full electrical knowledge, with 2800 watts can push a 12 kilowatt generator which is driving a 10 horsepower motor with 500 Volts and 5.4 amps x 1.73 which is for a 3 phase equals 4670 Watts without changing the input power.

First we have to realize that a big mistake was made in understanding the workings of electricity. Moving forward would be a very easy step if we could drop our false beliefs and start from the beginning.

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Re: electricity and e motors « Reply #4 on: 2023-01-17, 14:44:30 »

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What was this "big mistake"?
   
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Re: electricity and e motors « Reply #5 on: 2023-01-17, 15:59:46 »
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Quote from: ourunity on 2023-01-17, 03:45:43
...Moving forward would be a very easy step if we could drop our false beliefs and start from the beginning...

Obviously, it is enough to believe that masses do not attract each other in 1/r² as science says, to start seeing objects falling upwards. "Easy step" to anti-gravity. O0 :D

Why don't you take this "easy step" if it is so easy, and give us the recipe for free energy?



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Re: electricity and e motors « Reply #6 on: 2023-01-18, 03:04:06 »
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Hi Grumpy

Books are written about this subject. It is not easy to explain without diagrams. First we have to understand that whatever we see it is 2 not 1. This is a 2 way universe. Planets have 2 hemispheres, north and south, with the equator in between. We know about compression and expansion or an action-reaction universe. It might be easier to visualize, if you make 2 fists, with the red and the blue wires on the thumbs. On the left side, the power comes in a clockwise direction and the right fist counter-clockwise direction. This is nature’s coil.

When you look from the left side, you will have 1 direction of motion and a different direction from the other side. One direction for 2 effects. When firing one coil, the inside pole, which could be represented by your thumb, moves through the other coil to the end and now you have only one coil working in unison with the other coil or the united one. Action on one side creates reaction on the other side, with equal strength and potential. This is the effect that is missing in today’s coil. When we fire one coil, the inside pole cannot move anywhere and this is the abnormal condition for electricity. This is why heat is created. Resistance and strains increase with a load where a safe operation is very limited.

In nature’s coil, the more load and power that goes through, the equator’s field increases which reflects in higher efficiency. In other words, there is nothing that creates resistance and heat, regardless of the load.

Heat is created by man’s ignorance, not by electricity.

Today’s coil uses only one pole – first mistake.

Now when we start to understand action and reaction principles, the poles are reaction to each action. So, they cannot be on the same metal. For that reason, the coil becomes very inefficient.

In conclusion: using only 50% of one coil, where it should be 2 coils working in unison, now that 50% becomes only 1/4 of the full potential plus other flaws which diminish the power even further. In reality, today’s coils are working only around 20% of its potential and power. We can say this differently, today’s electric motors wastes around 80% of its power and potential.

Hope this explains some of the mistakes.

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Re: electricity and e motors « Reply #7 on: 2023-01-18, 07:51:39 »
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This gibberish without any operational sense is a negation of all human knowledge on the subject, the one based on facts and that produces the real generators that power our homes.

"Heat is created by man’s ignorance, not by electricity.
Today’s coil uses only one pole – first mistake."              C.C

A great moment of laughter, thank you.

A coil is a magnetic dipole. Magnetism is only known in this form. Depending on whether the flux exits or enters through a surface of a ferromagnetic material, it is said to be N or S pole, but the magnetic flux is always looped through the two poles, including those of the coils.
On the contrary, if we could use only one pole, we would have interesting new effects, but the unmistakable experimental evidence of a pure magnetic monopole has never been provided.




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Re: electricity and e motors « Reply #8 on: 2023-01-20, 03:55:51 »
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When Mr. Tesla read some of the Walter Russell books, in the 1930’s or so, he told him “Put this away for a thousand years. People are not ready for it”. Today, almost a century later, he was quite right for most of the people. Others studied that knowledge and built a model on that concept. It is showing potential that didn’t exist up to today. What we have to remember is that, through the centuries, only a handful of people gave us a culture, language, beautiful arts and technologies to lift us up to a higher level. We are grateful for it.
   
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Re: electricity and e motors « Reply #9 on: 2023-01-20, 04:39:04 »

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He's not talking about monopole magnetic fields, he's talking about using both poles of a magnetic field at the same time.

I thought an AC polyphase motor does use both poles at the same time.
   
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Re: electricity and e motors « Reply #10 on: 2023-01-21, 03:52:14 »
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I could not find anywhere where both sides of the coil are used. I think this picture should be good enough for our discussion. Radial motor coils are like fingers around a rotor. One example, a 5 horsepower motor, has 51 coils-17 coils per one phase.
How does electricity move? In a straight wire, it circles around the centre inside the wire. In the coil, it circles around the centre and around the outside of the wire. Plus, it divides in order to multiply. It divides into 2 hemispheres – red and blue or S-N. One side of the coil is facing the rotor, the other side facing body and lamination. When the coils are  fired, the pole towards the rotor pushes the rotor and the other side fires into lamination which creates heat and dirty electricity within the whole body.
This is just about in all motors regardless how many phases it has.
The axial motors are fairly new and they are using both sides of the coil.  The problem is that they are using a one way cylindrical coil that is very inefficient plus a very sophisticated  cooling system must be present to extract heat.


                                                                                                                                                                     

PS        Maybe I shouldn’t be too harsh in blaming man for heat. The dumb electricity didn’t tell him      how it all works – why then should he be blamed for it?
   
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Re: electricity and e motors « Reply #11 on: 2023-01-24, 03:53:25 »
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We can summarize in a few words what was said so far.
To achieve over unity we must be better then the existing motor, roughly 10-15 %. Let us see how today’s motor is built, to see where we can improve.
 
First, the motors of today are using only one side of the coil and the other side is wasted.
Second, it is using a one way coil. This coil has nothing to do with nature.  Nature is using 2 chambers to create 2 effects. One is centripetal and the other is centrifugal. In this way, harmonics, resonance and repetitions are achieved with simplicity, ease, effortlessly, without any resistance from its flow.
Third, coils are installed in a way to achieve minimal work.
In other words, the most inefficient motor that anyone can build. Period!
This is one of the biggest insults to human intellect. Now when we think of over unity, then we can say that it would be equal to knowledge, utilizing nature’s way to accomplish the task.

Through history we have been learning and growing while throwing away the false that does not serve us. The product that we produce will reflect that knowledge.

Whoever knows electricity well...is using it well.

Who doesn’t, is using it ...not so well.


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Re: electricity and e motors « Reply #12 on: 2023-02-28, 23:57:25 »
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                                 EVERY  E-MOTOR IS POWER MULTIPLIER
                                         
                                 WHEN BUILT WITH ACTION-REACTION COIL

Action and reaction is one of nature’s best kept secret. The law of action/reaction states: reaction is equal to action but with opposite polarity. Nature always builds in pairs. Not knowing the deeper electrical principles, for over a century, the building of electrical machinery, was a very clumsy way to imitate nature. The easiest way to put this into practical use is:

                                 ACTION + REACTION =  OUTPUT POWER

               INPUT POWER 1000w + REACTION  1000w   =  2000w OUTPUT POWER

With a action/reaction coil or a two way coil, every electrical motor multiplies power by x 2+.
A two way coil is working in a way that electricity was created to operate. In this way, all of the disturbances within its flow, is totally eliminated, like heat and back EMF,  are non existent.
Our engineering tried to clean as much as possible all the flaws that have been persistent with electric motors. We are not saying or claiming, by any means, that this is the final product.

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Re: electricity and e motors « Reply #13 on: 2023-03-01, 03:48:01 »
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2 sides of the coil?.  What about the Newmans Motor?  The inner magnet affects both hemispheres of the coil at the exact correct times with correct polarities.  Yet no one has shown Overunity with it besides ole Newman himself (maybe).

On a side note, but related- I do believe the whole Action / Reaction thing could be of benefit.  I may get flamed for stating this,  BUT...

Lets take a motor to generator.  The generator "MAY" produce 50% of the input power if it is built really well.  And that output power will exactly calculate to the amount of resistance the rotor / stator experienced..  Lets just say to a generator produces 50 watts and faces 6.5 foot pounds of resistance in the process in the form of drag..  In this situation there is a reaction that perhaps can be harvested which we usually don't..

In my example- We have 6.5 foot pounds of force working against the stator.  So to prevent the stator from rotating, we bolt it to the bench..  So now we are sending that 6.5 foot pounds of torque straight to bolts in a bench that produce us nothing extra.  But what if we had a mechanism that stops the stator from rotating, but could also convert that 6.5 pounds of torque to energy?  We could double the output. 

It probably is not possible to eliminate the drag, but I believe it is possible to harvest the drag.
   
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Re: electricity and e motors « Reply #14 on: 2023-03-08, 02:00:42 »
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Hello Floodrod

Sorry for not answering sooner.
We could have a closer look into using 2 sides of the coil. Newman is one example. New axial motors are another good example. From changing one side to two sides, the power should double, but it does not. Why does the efficiency stay at around 80%? We can start examining what happens when we use one side of the coil.
Applying power to one coil, a cathode in the middle, divides the coil into two hemispheres north and south. Power is divided in half. What happens next is that the anodes are not in their natural position, back EMF is created, making a lot of disturbance to the working pole diminishing its power.
(I believe you have a very good scope frame showing exactly that).

Now we can look at the 2 way coil. When the power is applied to the red side of the coil, the cathode in the middle divides the coil into two hemispheres. At the same time, simultaneously the blue is pushed to the blue side of the uniting equator. Now we have 100% power applied to the red side plus  reaction, which is the same as action. In this case, there is no back EMF and no unnecessary heat. Now we can clearly see what is nature’s way and why efficiency is so different in these two examples.

In conclusion: For over a century, man has been using one divided coil when nature uses two divided and unites them into one united.


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Re: electricity and e motors « Reply #15 on: 2023-03-09, 00:06:37 »
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Ok, I'll bite..  I'm willing to look at anything that isn't super complicated and within my grasp.

Here are my first questions.. 

1. 2 conical coils with points to the outside. ?
2. Ferrite conical cores ?
3. Separate cores do not touch in the center?
4 Both sides are separate coils? Not in series or connected? Don't they have to connect?
5. North magnet passes one side, as South magnet passes other side?
6. Uses both attract and repel- (flipping polarities dead center) ?

If the 2 coils connected in series, you essentially have a bucking coil.  And the same polarity on the outsides.  Wouldn't the magnet rotor with opposite polarity magnets just neutralize and not spin?

Can we veer away from "theory" and show detailed pictures of these coils, magnets, inside the motor?  Step us through piece by piece how this is configured and operates? 

Again I am interested in looking at all claims.  But I need much more than theory talk and animations that do not show connections or details.

Please compile me pictures with clear connections / configurations and lay out the chain of events of the reactions it causes.  I'd pretty much be willing to build resin / iron powder conical cores and build this is the info was all clearly laid out and the chain of events make sense to me.

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Re: electricity and e motors « Reply #16 on: 2023-03-09, 00:25:21 »
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Here yesterday at Ecat world some cone experiments by Bob Greenyer
Been asking around about this !
https://e-catworld.com/2023/03/07/o-day-is-finally-here-bob-greenyer/

Just another arrow for the quiver ..or point to ponder …
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Re: electricity and e motors « Reply #17 on: 2023-03-09, 02:19:42 »
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1   Conical coils – this is how electricity multiples its power    plus small exposure metal to magnet         reduces drag

2   Electrical metal core – (for testing any metal is good)

3   Totally separate – metal and wire

4   Each side is separate. One pulse is north – next pulse is south     [  to each coil ]

5   Polarities change dead centre – first is push and then when the coil is in between the magnets
             it is push/pull

COILS ARE NOT CONNECTED IN ANY WAY! If you got to our web:
eUnity Systems | Energy efficient electric motors

The video in the front will explain just about all and then after seeing it, you can ask questions about what is not clear to you.

In the demo videos, the last one is showing how action and reaction coils lift the magnet.

For reaction coil, it is meant for a coil that is not pulsed with power.


Chet K     As you noticed it is exactly what we are doing here. The knowledge has been with us for probably at least 80 years but no one thought that it could be useful in electric motors.

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Re: electricity and e motors « Reply #18 on: 2023-03-09, 02:27:22 »
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The picture that I wanted to show you in the previous post is not loading properly. We will just put it on our website.
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Re: electricity and e motors « Reply #19 on: 2023-03-09, 03:49:56 »
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Thanks for the reply. Yes I have watched your videos several times.  Forgive my ignorance. 

Quote from: ourunity on 2023-03-09, 02:19:42

4   Each side is separate. One pulse is north – next pulse is south     [  to each coil ]


In the video it says "When one coil is fired, the other side fires automatically as well".  How does the other side fire "automatically"?  Your quote seems to suggest both coils are hooked to the alternating PWM driver.   Are each coils hooked to separate PWM drivers? 

I am trying to understand the benefit.  Is the "magic" occurring because of the 2 unused polarities of the coil influence each-other in the same way a transformer would induct?  Since A north pole of a transformer primary turns the secondary south, the 2 separate unused core sides of the coil compliment each-others polarity / charge so the induction between the 2 separate cores strengthens the poles where the passing magnets are?

I understand your rig is much more complicated, but I attached a sample pic of the basic idea simplified to 1 stator coil and 2 magnets.  Is this the basic idea?

Edit-  I am experimenting with it and I do not want to clutter your thread.  Since your design is very similar to 00's Lanz Killer coil (which I attempted to test) I am updating that thread with what I find, while giving this thread the credit and referring link. https://overunity.com/19379/00s-overunity-coil-lenz-killer/
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Re: electricity and e motors « Reply #20 on: 2023-03-09, 18:16:27 »
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Why don't you take this "easy step" if it is so easy, and give us the recipe for free energy?

It appears he did take this "easy step" and is trying to show us OU

Edit-  But now an OU member is questioning the legitimacy of the measurements. And raises valid concerns.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOkvz5jfZ6g&t=161s

The Claim:

4320 watts in
8645 Watts out

Gain of 4325 watts.


Ourunity-  Your showing more out than In.  Have you tried looping it?  Can you show us with a resistive load?
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Re: electricity and e motors « Reply #21 on: 2023-03-09, 19:55:56 »
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Good observation by a member on OU..

In the video here-  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOkvz5jfZ6g&t=161s  where it is claimed OU, how could 2 induction motors with no load be pulling 4,000 watts each?

https://overunity.com/19379/00s-overunity-coil-lenz-killer/msg574995/  <---- reply #12
   
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Re: electricity and e motors « Reply #22 on: 2023-03-10, 01:48:01 »
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For two motors  power consumption we called Weg about the motor power when idling and the readings on the inverter. Their answer was that every motor normally uses half of the rated power.
When comparing inverter’s reading and the reading from our meters, usually the tolerances are around 30 W. We contacted two local motor repair shops with the same question. The answer was that they usually go by a inverter’s reading as they are more accurate. For consumption of the motors they stated the same as Weg.

On the internet whatever we could read it was the same. If one wants to go any further, they will have to confirm this for themselves. As far as we can see, we are not doing anything different then what everyone else in the industry is doing.

The blue motor is 7.5 kw or 10HP. When connected in front of the generator, which is driving another motor, a load of 3900W could be achieved on the load motor. As soon as a load was increased to 4000W the blue motor is taking a nosedive.

On our web, the last video is a test of our motor without load and with a motor under load. Input AC amperage did not change only DC power going through the mosfet increased around one amp.

Conclusion – This is the first electric motor built with how electricity works exactly.
                       No heat regardless of load
                       Much higher torque is achieved

For us it is enough to start a new path.

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Re: electricity and e motors « Reply #23 on: 2023-03-10, 02:40:30 »
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For two motors  power consumption we called Weg about the motor power when idling and the readings on the inverter. Their answer was that every motor normally uses half of the rated power.
When comparing inverter’s reading and the reading from our meters, usually the tolerances are around 30 W. We contacted two local motor repair shops with the same question. The answer was that they usually go by a inverter’s reading as they are more accurate. For consumption of the motors they stated the same as Weg.

On the internet whatever we could read it was the same. If one wants to go any further, they will have to confirm this for themselves. As far as we can see, we are not doing anything different then what everyone else in the industry is doing.

The blue motor is 7.5 kw or 10HP. When connected in front of the generator, which is driving another motor, a load of 3900W could be achieved on the load motor. As soon as a load was increased to 4000W the blue motor is taking a nosedive.

On our web, the last video is a test of our motor without load and with a motor under load. Input AC amperage did not change only DC power going through the mosfet increased around one amp.

Conclusion – This is the first electric motor built with how electricity works exactly.
                       No heat regardless of load
                       Much higher torque is achieved

For us it is enough to start a new path.

Best Regards

What are the input / output numbers with a resistive load?

I am not trying to discredit, as I believe there may be an efficiency gain. And it may be worth pursuing.
It's just there was an Overunity claim made in the video.  Does this overunity result only manifest with a reactive load (ie. induction device) or with a resistive load also?

As I pointed out in my other thread, I can use an amp clamp and multimeter to show a motor consuming 3X the input power.  But as soon as I use a resistive load, it's under unity. When I did it, I thought I had OU at first, until I wrapped my mind around the chain of events that's happening in a motor from induction and what the amp clamp is seeing. 

Honestly, you don't want to be the guy who makes an OU claim then refuses to show any other load except a questionable one, then answer by telling people you will have to try it yourself.   It's much more honorable to show how it reacts with a resistive load even if you do not like the results.  People respect builders even when they fail.  But there is no respect given to someone who purposely fabricates results by selectively choosing loads that appear to show the outcome they desire and refuse to acknowledge results that do not conform to the desired conclusion.
   
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Re: electricity and e motors « Reply #24 on: 2023-03-10, 03:19:03 »
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We definitely have been trying different tests but nothing that has been tested by a third party.
We are building our own load bank to see if we can do something with it.
Load banks are very expensive and we cannot find any to rent around us.

 Today’s motor, in a previous post test, was pushing a generator with 7.5kw and couldn’t go over 3950w. Our motor in the same situation, from 0 to 4600w, lost one amp. It could be one good comparison.

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