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Devices That May Be Gathering Our Information « on: 2019-05-04, 17:17:22 »
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I have started this thread so that off topic posts from page 16 of "The TPU Was It Real?" can be moved here.

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Re: Devices That May Be Gathering Our Information « Reply #1 on: 2019-05-04, 20:34:29 »

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Quote from: Magluvin on 2019-05-01, 01:50:03
Lol, they have access to most everything..  Like the idea of the cloud. It sounds like its an advantage to us, like so many things like HD audio on cell phone calls, "Its ok, we will store your info safer than you can." Meanwhile the HD audio calls record ultra sonic and infra sonic audio and can capture other sounds or voices in the room that couldnt be captured before, but what we hear really isnt any better than before, in my opinion.  All of the ultra sonic and infra sonic audio that is captured is simply useless to you and me, but they are able to use that to determine other info bout you and me.  The motion sensors in your phone record your every move and how you walk and that info can determine if it is you that is carrying the phone. It all seems like great advances for our benefit, when really it is to their benefit of collecting info and recording bio-metrics of every sort. Almost nothing is is private anymore. Our cars today are collecting info on us also.  I like 2000 and older cars myself. ;) 

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Hi Mags,

I recently had an experience that proved to me that someone had access to something they shouldn't have.  My son works for a major airline.  My wife and I can fly for free if there are any extra seats left after the paying passengers are all seated.  We recently wanted to go to New Orleans from Atlanta.  We got bumped from the first flight and went to the next gate for the next flight to New Orleans.  Shortly after we got to that gate I got a notice on my phone that I had a email to my Gmail account from Google that reminded me of my new flight time so I wouldn't be late at the gate.  The thing is, I don't use Gmail on my phone and the airline does not have my Gmail account information.  My phone is an Android phone so I do have to have my Gmail information on the phone in order to download anything from the Playstore.  After we got bumped from that flight the same thing happened when we got to the gate for the next flight.  Anyone that thinks we are not being watched is certainly out of touch with reality.

My son and some of his friends at work were discussing taking a trip to Alaska.  The next time my son logged onto his PC he started getting pop-ups for trips to Alaska.  And some of his friends did also.  And I know of other people this has happened to also.

Respectfully,
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Re: Devices That May Be Gathering Our Information « Reply #2 on: 2019-05-04, 20:36:59 »

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Hi Mags,

For some moronic reason a few years ago Bellsouth decided to turn over their email service to Yahoo.  Not too long after that I discovered I was not getting some of my emails.  If a friend of mine from church sent out a group email I did not get it.  If he sent me an individual email I did get it.  When I found an online web site for problems with Yahoo email I found that a lot of other people were having the same problem and almost all of them were church members not getting group mailings from church yet other group mailings were getting through.  I did find that they were being put into an online spam folder that I could get to after logging in online to my Bellsouth email.  It seems Yahoo has a problem with church people making group mailings.  I have since then switched to a private email provider that doesn't censor my emails for me.

I am really suspicious of those people that insist there are no conspiracies.  Either they are very very naive or they are part of the conspiracy.

Take care,
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Re: Devices That May Be Gathering Our Information « Reply #3 on: 2019-05-04, 20:42:25 »

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Quote from: JimBoot on 2019-05-04, 07:40:52
Not conspiracy. Badly configured DNS zone files not authenticating the domains for bulk mail so they are filtered by a strict spam rule.

Your explanation does not explain why non church related bulk mail always goes through.   You can believe what you want, but the evidence clearly shows a bias against church bulk mailings.

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Re: Devices That May Be Gathering Our Information « Reply #4 on: 2019-05-05, 05:35:59 »
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This is not a conspiracy.
When you take in use new phone, you asked to agree with terms of use. Read them carefully ;)

Also, remember that all internet traffic is recorded, even encrypted. (guess yourself for what reason)

Be aware though that U.S. (and other countries) law requires that all telecommunications carriers and equipment providers enable government law enforcement agencies to conduct (lawful) surveillance when needed.

There is no such thing as privacy in modern world.

If you get involved in FE research, be ready for trouble.

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Re: Devices That May Be Gathering Our Information « Reply #5 on: 2019-05-05, 10:44:06 »
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I agree with what you're saying, Vasik, "this is not a conspiracy".
Most of the data that can be used by commercial companies or governments is provided by people themselves on social networks, shopping sites, forums... People spread their private lives out anywhere.  For example, CITFTA tells us here that he is married, his son's industry, the benefits he receives for his air travel. All this can then be exploited, in particular by automated systems that connect the information found on various sources thanks to their common points. This way they know who is in touch with whom, the nature of their relationship, their friendly, professional and family network... and people can be the target of personalized advertising. People provide everything to be followed, then wonder why they are being tracked  C.C, and even imagine that the Internet has been planned for that by a few big conspirators, when it is only exploited as it is, to make money (or for so-called "national security").



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Re: Devices That May Be Gathering Our Information « Reply #6 on: 2019-05-05, 18:13:15 »
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One thing I don't understand, is why people don't change the data!

Why does the stuff collected have to actually be about the things you do? why not spoof it, give them crappy data.
With crappy data, the collection outfits can't know if what they know is what they know.
A conditioning is with many sites asking for real personal info, it's tied to bank accounts, verified with phone calls etc. Great! it's you, definitely you and all data coming to them is going to be about you. Nope, doesn't have to be.

Personally, I search for 'dumb s#' frequently :)
You could take an interest in fly fishing, follow a pop band on Twitter, look at scuba diving gear, angel cake recipes. It's not what interests you BUT the data collection outfits sponge it up to use as your profile. It's bogus noise that ruins the data set.
Prime example was recently. I started looking up local golf clubs, originally was wanting to find out about the prices of the lead weights on the end of golfing sticks but went from there.  So far, I've had 3 golf related magazines delivered to my door LOL
Their data is wrong.
Extrapolate that into different areas of life. 
Basically, do things differently. Download hidden object game apps that you'll never play, join an XBOX forum, look at bathroom tile prices, tell the world about your rescue dog Petra.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to check some special offers on water beds and plan my vacation to Cancun.

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Re: Devices That May Be Gathering Our Information « Reply #7 on: 2019-05-05, 19:26:10 »

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Re: Devices That May Be Gathering Our Information « Reply #8 on: 2019-05-07, 00:33:06 »

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Quote from: CITFTA on 2019-05-04, 01:12:17
Hi Mags,

For some moronic reason a few years ago Bellsouth decided to turn over their email service to Yahoo.  Not too long after that I discovered I was not getting some of my emails.  If a friend of mine from church sent out a group email I did not get it.  If he sent me an individual email I did get it.  When I found an online web site for problems with Yahoo email I found that a lot of other people were having the same problem and almost all of them were church members not getting group mailings from church yet other group mailings were getting through.  I did find that they were being put into an online spam folder that I could get to after logging in online to my Bellsouth email.  It seems Yahoo has a problem with church people making group mailings.  I have since then switched to a private email provider that doesn't censor my emails for me.

I am really suspicious of those people that insist there are no conspiracies.  Either they are very very naive or they are part of the conspiracy.

Take care,
Carroll


" It seems Yahoo has a problem with church people making group mailings."    ;) ;) ;) ;) O0

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I am really suspicious of those people that insist there are no conspiracies.  Either they are very very naive or they are part of the conspiracy." ;) ;) ;) ;)  O0

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Re: Devices That May Be Gathering Our Information « Reply #9 on: 2019-05-07, 00:33:32 »

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Quote from: CITFTA on 2019-05-03, 10:20:07
Hi Mags,

I recently had an experience that proved to me that someone had access to something they shouldn't have.  My son works for a major airline.  My wife and I can fly for free if there are any extra seats left after the paying passengers are all seated.  We recently wanted to go to New Orleans from Atlanta.  We got bumped from the first flight and went to the next gate for the next flight to New Orleans.  Shortly after we got to that gate I got a notice on my phone that I had a email to my Gmail account from Google that reminded me of my new flight time so I wouldn't be late at the gate.  The thing is, I don't use Gmail on my phone and the airline does not have my Gmail account information.  My phone is an Android phone so I do have to have my Gmail information on the phone in order to download anything from the Playstore.  After we got bumped from that flight the same thing happened when we got to the gate for the next flight.  Anyone that thinks we are not being watched is certainly out of touch with reality.

My son and some of his friends at work were discussing taking a trip to Alaska.  The next time my son logged onto his PC he started getting pop-ups for trips to Alaska.  And some of his friends did also.  And I know of other people this has happened to also.

Respectfully,
Carroll

I believe every word.  ;)

And that info IS stored!  Indefinitely! Every thing they can get..   I did get a goog acct for apps.  I dont use the acct for anything else.  Crap, they own my yt acct. They know who you are via the android phone and they collect all that data.

Guys on YT did a test using a cell tower repeater they had in a briefcase that collected all data going in and out of the couple of phones used for the test. They turned off the phones and pulled out the sim cards and had a couple people, each with a disabled phone and walked around I believe Wash DC area for the day. Ait lunch, shopped, etc.  At the end of the day, they reinstalled the sims, turned on the briefcase repeater system then turned on the phones, one at a time I think it was, and the data that was sent out about the locations of the day, etc was shocking. We think these phones are made for our benefit, needs.  That all is just to keep you on the leash of info sucking.

Yahoo has turned into something I dont recognize but I have 3 email accts there. Im sure they sucked up and are keeping copies of all my emails.  Meh, some things these days we seem to not be able to live without. Used to be we wouldt talk on the phone or hear msgs till we got home. Now nobody seems to be able to put down their phones for more than min at a time.  My boss just got rid of 2 guys like that at work.

I have to say it would be hard to not have the things I have access to via my phone. I use as a hotspot, 15g a month for $10.  Thats really all I need and have internet at home and shop or on a trip. Its not streaming movie fast, but its fine.


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Re: Devices That May Be Gathering Our Information « Reply #10 on: 2019-05-07, 00:34:56 »

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Skype is compromised to the NSA anyway...

Lol, they have access to most everything..  Like the idea of the cloud. It sounds like its an advantage to us, like so many things like HD audio on cell phone calls, "Its ok, we will store your info safer than you can." Meanwhile the HD audio calls record ultra sonic and infra sonic audio and can capture other sounds or voices in the room that couldnt be captured before, but what we hear really isnt any better than before, in my opinion.  All of the ultra sonic and infra sonic audio that is captured is simply useless to you and me, but they are able to use that to determine other info bout you and me.  The motion sensors in your phone record your every move and how you walk and that info can determine if it is you that is carrying the phone. It all seems like great advances for our benefit, when really it is to their benefit of collecting info and recording bio-metrics of every sort. Almost nothing is is private anymore. Our cars today are collecting info on us also.  I like 2000 and older cars myself. ;) 

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Re: Devices That May Be Gathering Our Information « Reply #11 on: 2019-05-07, 00:52:39 »

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My phone before this one I had thought to make a metalic case to keep it from being able to transmit while traveling, walking, etc.  But I had found that when the phone was locked in my work tool box, thing got very hot. apparently if it doesnt have good or any signal, it beefs up the ability to try and make contact. Just the same as when you have low signal normally, it transmits stronger, which makes no sense if it cant receive.

Havnt tried any of this with my latest version.

My dell laptop with windows 7 was always bugging me to get windows 10 for free.  Was killing my hotspot data.  Apparently it had already loaded LOTS or all of windows 10 already and just waited for me to say yes. Then I found GWX Control Panel which shuts down all windows 10 initiatives and deletes all W10 downloaded software.  But even now, I have all windows updates shut off and i use hibernate for time periods and do shutdown or resets once in a while to get a quicker boot time, and when I boot from hibernation, over 100megs, nearly 200megs at times, is sent out before I even do anything related to the internet.

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Re: Devices That May Be Gathering Our Information « Reply #12 on: 2019-05-07, 11:55:00 »
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Personally, I search for 'dumb s#' frequently :)
You could take an interest in fly fishing, follow a pop band on Twitter, look at scuba diving gear, angel cake recipes. It's not what interests you BUT the data collection outfits sponge it up to use as your profile. It's bogus noise that ruins the data set.
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Smart idea. We would need an extension in the browser, which would make that kind of noise in a background tab, but in a subtle way to give the impression that it is human navigation.

On my side, every time I open the browser, the cookies are deleted, and I also try to change my IP quite often.
But all this has been boring for a few months, since when there are no cookies, the site thinks it's your first time, and must present you with the window asking you to accept cookies! It is a legal obligation at least in Europe I think, to protect people, those who are not smart enough to understand cookies, our decision-makers take us for idiots. Like most security measures, by annoying us it is counterproductive: people who deleted cookies will no longer delete them so they won't be bothered by this message. It's like the requirement for complicated passwords, so people write them down or make files out of them. Security problems come mainly from those who set the rules. The political requirements of security have always been to complicate people's lives, and ultimately to hide the actions of scammers under the multiplicity of measures that can always be circumvented by specialists.


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Re: Devices That May Be Gathering Our Information « Reply #13 on: 2019-05-08, 10:59:35 »

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Re: Devices That May Be Gathering Our Information « Reply #14 on: 2019-05-09, 09:49:33 »
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americanprophet.org: site of fake news and religious propaganda.


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Re: Devices That May Be Gathering Our Information « Reply #15 on: 2019-05-09, 20:01:53 »
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americanprophet.org: site of fake news and religious propaganda.

Nevertheless there are bugs in Alexa

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2018/04/27/amazon-alexa-bug-let-hackers-turn-echo-speakers-covert-listening/

and sending your data into cloud for processing not a "smart" idea :)
   
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Re: Devices That May Be Gathering Our Information « Reply #16 on: 2019-05-10, 01:05:50 »

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...sending your data into cloud for processing not a "smart" idea :)

Once upon a time this may have been a matter of choice but now
that all communications on the Planet must pass through the Cloud
and all are being collected as 1s and 0s, we've lost privacy.

The newly created GOD of the Planet, by means of Intelligence and
Artificial Intelligence, "sees and hears all" for use at it deems fit.

The New Order of the World is in place and functional;  all that is
lacking is the coming Centralized Comprehensive Government
with Big Boots to squash all dissent.  Versions of this capability
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Re: Devices That May Be Gathering Our Information « Reply #17 on: 2019-05-10, 09:39:13 »
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Nevertheless there are bugs in Alexa
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That is the danger of these sites like americanprophet.org. If sites made only fakes, things would be simple: they would be reliable because by taking the opposite of what they say, we would have the truth.

But sites that make fakes always mix the real and the fake, in order to improve their credibility and to manipulate gullible people more easily.

What we should avoid is taking references from them, they are not relevant, they are not reliable. That's what I meant. There are enough honest sites so that we don't have to sup at liars, mythomaniacs or preachers table.


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Re: Devices That May Be Gathering Our Information « Reply #19 on: 2019-05-10, 10:42:10 »
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https://www.sltrib.com/news/nation-world/2019/05/07/alexa-has-been/       This site is very informative about snooping devices.

"We're sorry. The Salt Lake Tribune's web site, sltrib.com, is unavailable in the European Union. We are working with lawyers on compliance with the European Union's General Data Protection Requirements, and we expect to sltrib.com to be available once that is done. Thank you for your patience."

Definitely, CITFTA, you choose your reference sites very badly.   :)


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Re: Devices That May Be Gathering Our Information « Reply #20 on: 2019-05-10, 23:44:27 »

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americanprophet.org: site of fake news and religious propaganda.

So Im guessing you are atheist. I looked at some of the articles on that site and they are pretty dead on as far as I am concerned.

You make the statement that it is just fake news, but that statement is only your opinion, not actual fact.

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So Im guessing you are atheist. I looked at some of the articles on that site and they are pretty dead on as far as I am concerned.

You make the statement that it is just fake news, but that statement is only your opinion, not actual fact.

Mags

Hi Magluvin,

"You are" is a hateful formulation. No one is to be reduced to what they believe or think. This is a common practice among fundamentalist Christians or Muslims, who identify themselves with their religion, so when we talk about their religion in unfavourable terms, they say they are personally insulted. This is a way for them to deny us free expression on what they believe in, by demanding respect for their belief because it would be respect for their person, whereas the two forms have nothing to do with each other.
I don't think, of course, that you are in this case. Be sure I don't confuse you with them at all, I guess you used the expression in a banal way and without any intention of manipulation, because it is what is practiced in everyday life, but I say that to make people understand the risk of "you are".

Now let's get back to the subject. Are all opinions equal?
Some people believe that the earth is hollow and others that it has a nucleus at the origin of the magnetic field. But no one is right, they are opinions?
Some have the opinion that a woman is worth half a man (the Koran tells us so), others that she is a human being just like a man. But these are opinions, they are worth each other well?
Some people think that the earth is only 6,000 years old and that dinosaurs have never existed, and others that it is billions of years old and that we have the remains of these animals. But these are opinions, they are worth each other well?

Not everything is equal to everything and anything. We have to use our judgment. A site of fake news does not become a reference site because it would produce real information from time to time. It is obviously a necessity for it to mix the true and the false to better convey the false.
What I just wanted to say is that we don't take a site of fake news as a reference, unless we really have no intellectual requirements or we campaign for the same craps as this site, like the suggestion that dinosaurs would never have existed.


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like the suggestion that dinosaurs would never have existed.
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Can you please post a link or reference to any article anywhere that suggests dinosaurs never existed?  Such a suggestion is absurd in the face of all the evidence to the contrary.



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Re: Devices That May Be Gathering Our Information « Reply #23 on: 2019-05-11, 23:25:13 »

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Hi Magluvin,

"You are" is a hateful formulation. No one is to be reduced to what they believe or think. This is a common practice among fundamentalist Christians or Muslims, who identify themselves with their religion, so when we talk about their religion in unfavourable terms, they say they are personally insulted. This is a way for them to deny us free expression on what they believe in, by demanding respect for their belief because it would be respect for their person, whereas the two forms have nothing to do with each other.
I don't think, of course, that you are in this case. Be sure I don't confuse you with them at all, I guess you used the expression in a banal way and without any intention of manipulation, because it is what is practiced in everyday life, but I say that to make people understand the risk of "you are".

Now let's get back to the subject. Are all opinions equal?
Some people believe that the earth is hollow and others that it has a nucleus at the origin of the magnetic field. But no one is right, they are opinions?
Some have the opinion that a woman is worth half a man (the Koran tells us so), others that she is a human being just like a man. But these are opinions, they are worth each other well?
Some people think that the earth is only 6,000 years old and that dinosaurs have never existed, and others that it is billions of years old and that we have the remains of these animals. But these are opinions, they are worth each other well?

Not everything is equal to everything and anything. We have to use our judgment. A site of fake news does not become a reference site because it would produce real information from time to time. It is obviously a necessity for it to mix the true and the false to better convey the false.
What I just wanted to say is that we don't take a site of fake news as a reference, unless we really have no intellectual requirements or we campaign for the same craps as this site, like the suggestion that dinosaurs would never have existed.

" "You are" is a hateful formulation"

Nothing in my post had shown i was hateful.  It is from experience that I made a hypothesis(educated guess) that I 'guess' you are atheist. The formulation is that you criticized the web site for others to read your view of it, of which you 'claim' it is just fake news and religious propaganda.


"No one is to be reduced to what they believe or think."

If Citfta and I believe there is truthful and valuable info on that site and then you make your claim of the site, then who is doing the reducing?


"This is a common practice among fundamentalist Christians or Muslims, who identify themselves with their religion, so when we talk about their religion in unfavourable terms, they say they are personally insulted."

Havnt done anything of the sort in my post.


"This is a way for them to deny us free expression on what they believe in, by demanding respect for their belief because it would be respect for their person, whereas the two forms have nothing to do with each other."

Pretty much you condemned the site in public. Just because I defended the site against your claim, doesnt mean I demand respect from you. It only tells my side as to I believe your claims are incorrect and that you made that claim just to 'try' and divert others from taking interest in the site. My post was to show opposition to your claim, in public.


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