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giantkiller	Re: Romerouk's Muller Replication « Reply #875 on: 2011-08-22, 19:26:45 »
Group: Elite Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 1575 Frequency equals matter...	I went to the site and could not see a specific description of this little unit. A mini muller. Sweet. If he get can his to work what is incorrect about all other attempts. Then he adds a fwbr and a filter cap. The running unit is different than the assembling unit. The assembling unith has the 2 neodyn pod iin it. As the n/s turbine rotates each magnet on the rotor swings past the neodyn pod he attaches. While running it jack the field. That Neodyn pod is in series with the drive coils. The drive coils look to be in series. Then obviously the the ac side of the FWBR is in series with the drive coils. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hofmann_voltameter http://freeenergylt.narod2.ru/ismael_aviso_car/ has a Kapanadze coil in it. Most of the designs are fast field jacking to charge a cap. What is this guy doing wrong? The unit spins continuously! http://freeenergylt.narod2.ru/vega/ Now aside from this mini unit... Why are the units in the thread so large if a unit this small can run? And, here is the joke: What if SM's units all had a pager motor in them? Quote from: ramset on 2011-08-22, 17:04:58 Another Very nice movie!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8AC8T5cvm4 From Freepower at OU @Cheappower Looking at Toranarad's endeavour ,Do you have any Input or comment to share?? http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/7982-muller-generator-replication-romerouk-42.html#post152577 Thank you Chet « Last Edit: 2011-08-22, 19:52:26 by giantkiller » --------------------------- http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/

Chet K	Re: Romerouk's Muller Replication « Reply #876 on: 2011-08-22, 20:52:19 »
Group: Ambassador Hero Member Posts: 4013	GK Quote: Now aside from this mini unit... Why are the units in the thread so large if a unit this small can run? ------------- I was wondering the same thing,this size would cost A LOT less to experiment with ? The ideas that the BoyZ at Toranarads thread are kickin around could be added to this guys rig in no time? Thanks Chet

giantkiller	Re: Romerouk's Muller Replication « Reply #877 on: 2011-08-22, 22:31:24 »
Group: Elite Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 1575 Frequency equals matter...	The special materials is the 'squeezing reality from physics' again. And this is where things get out of hand. The mini muller is so simple it can be let alone. Put some coils around it to get the power up a few notches then create another step. The balance would be the effort towards exotic builds or replicating cheap step ups (that we all comprehend). The beauty of this small build is he did not add any extra weight(as in a bigger unit) that would cause losses or resistance. So I would call this unit in the 'float' level of operation. A real fine balance. Quote from: ramset on 2011-08-22, 20:52:19 GK Quote: Now aside from this mini unit... Why are the units in the thread so large if a unit this small can run? ------------- I was wondering the same thing,this size would cost A LOT less to experiment with ? The ideas that the BoyZ at Toranarads thread are kickin around could be added to this guys rig in no time? Thanks Chet --------------------------- http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/

MileHigh	Re: Romerouk's Muller Replication « Reply #878 on: 2011-08-22, 23:25:42 »
Group: Guest	Quote Another Very nice movie!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8AC8T5cvm4 Another fake. It amazes me how some of you won't even post some possibilities for cheating when you see clips like this.

giantkiller	Re: Romerouk's Muller Replication « Reply #879 on: 2011-08-22, 23:55:39 »
Group: Elite Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 1575 Frequency equals matter...	@mh, You piqued my interest. How is this faked? I was curious about the spark when he touched the red lead to the wrong connection. Are there batteries in the wooden stems? Quote from: MileHigh on 2011-08-22, 23:25:42 Another fake. It amazes me how some of you won't even post some possibilities for cheating when you see clips like this. --------------------------- http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/

Magluvin	Re: Romerouk's Muller Replication « Reply #880 on: 2011-08-23, 00:15:33 »
Group: Guest	Quote from: MileHigh on 2011-08-22, 23:25:42 Another fake. It amazes me how some of you won't even post some possibilities for cheating when you see clips like this. Yeah, how EXACTLY is it a fake? Show me the money. Or are you saying its just a possible fake? ;] Mags

MileHigh	Re: Romerouk's Muller Replication « Reply #881 on: 2011-08-23, 00:22:19 »
Group: Guest	How about your suggestions (both of you) for how you think it's a fake?

wattsup	Re: Romerouk's Muller Replication « Reply #882 on: 2011-08-23, 00:26:08 »
Hero Member Posts: 520	Quote from: MileHigh on 2011-08-22, 23:25:42 Another fake. It amazes me how some of you won't even post some possibilities for cheating when you see clips like this. My fakemeter is broken, geez, or is it my truemeter that is not properly calibrated. I don't know anymore. lol @GK I have been mulling over a new build and will start it tomorrow. Basically, I want to make a coil build that will show nodding but also be able to step-down high voltage (or reactive power) into a more amperage ridden output. I think this is the only thing that is missing. Producing high voltage is very easy and can be done in a very efficient manner with most energy returned to source. It is what to do with that energy that has stopped many from progressing. Including me. If you think about SM indicating the 1000 feet of wire and one magnet versus 1000 pieces of wire 1 foot long and one magnet, is it by chance that his LTPU is at least 6 inches high. I will do the reverse of what @Bruce_TPU did. He is using a horizontal conductor that has many conductors of Litz wire in it that will hit or get hit by his outer winds. I will put many single wires vertically all paralleled on a top and bottom copper wire ring, and a second one a little wider so one fits inside the other. Then between them I will have one wire loop pulsed that can slide up or down the verticals and play with frequency and pulse loop vertical position and see what type of output can come from each. It will resemble your red toroid coil but the verticals will all be top and bottom paralleled. I will post as I progress. Also, I just purchased another HP 8116A so now I will have three FGs. More fun. wattsup --------------------------- http://etherimpress.com

cheappower2012	Re: Romerouk's Muller Replication « Reply #883 on: 2011-08-23, 00:44:02 »
Group: Guest	A gyroscopic/flywheel generator going to a bridge rectifier(4 diodes),with a capacitor to retain charge The meter doesn't load it down 10 meg input impedance,very clever fraud.The flywheel/gyroscope stores energy from the spin up.You guys should ask the professor hes opinion on this one hes a physics guy. There was another of these but on a big scale,it had a crank to get the flywheel up to speed,powered a few light bulbs .

MileHigh	Re: Romerouk's Muller Replication « Reply #884 on: 2011-08-23, 00:57:03 »
Group: Guest	Ok I am crying Uncle! Those are pretty funky and fat cores if you ask me. Ask yourself, when's the last time you saw a coil + core combination that looked like that? It just doesn't look right. There is some black guk there also. Somebody posted the "autotransformer" circuit for those "perpetual motion" novelty items recently. It's just a coil with a 1/4-length-tap that fires a transistor. There might not even be a resistor in that circuit. So each coil-battery combination is a self-triggering coil that gives the rotor a push. When's the last time you saw a simple pulse motor that had to be spun up by a Dremel? He has to speed it up fast enough so the autotransformer triggering kicks in. Then there is an SMT transistor in the guk. They can get so small that they look like a spec of pepper. Anyway, that's how I would fake this one. As far as the spark goes, the high voltage is generated by, guess what, the flyback in the coils. When the short is made, the motor recovers and sounds exactly like a motor should sound if it's powered by batteries. More importantly but perhaps more subtly, you get a sense of the available power by how much time it takes the rotor to speed back up, only a second or two. That's an "oomph" factor that you normally associate with the lower output impedance of batteries. Compare that to your typical tiny anemic pulse motor that can take up to a full minute to spin back up. And that's what you are normally expecting here, a "delicate balance," a "magic combination" that just manages to be over unity lest you make the slightest configuration change before you "loose the magic." Don't sneeze! lol It must be the mental masturbation for this guy! lol Better that than trying to set fire to a $50,000 police car for "kicks" I suppose. MileHigh http://www.smallbattery.company.org.uk/sbc_lithium_catalogue.htm « Last Edit: 2011-08-23, 01:48:50 by MileHigh »

cheappower2012	Re: Romerouk's Muller Replication « Reply #885 on: 2011-08-23, 03:06:01 »
Group: Guest	@ milehigh it is possible that there are smt components since they could be hidden,however you as an engineer are going to think of a very sophisticated way to do things,"how would I do it",these guys that make these frauds are not very sophisticated. We are in agreement that it is a fake and differ only in how its faked.

EMdevices	Re: Romerouk's Muller Replication « Reply #886 on: 2011-08-23, 04:50:01 »
Hero Member Posts: 805	Quote from: ramset on 2011-08-22, 17:04:58 Another Very nice movie!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8AC8T5cvm4 That's a cute motor/generator but I'm confused. In the second part of the video he assembles it and we can see that at the bottom he inserts 3 or 4 small watch batteries in series between the two springs. So it's powered from the batteries. OK, but where is the commutation circuit for the motor function? I don't see it. I think the guy is trying to show us that he starts it with the dremell tool and than somehow it keeps turning maybe due to phasing. If that's the case it's neat! The generator part of the device seems to be up top. That's nothing to shout about. Bottom line, I don't think the guy is trying to show off an OU device here, just his workmanship. Did he make an OU claim somewhere on the forums? [edit: I just noticed the title of the video: FREE ENERGY GENERATOR! LOL ] Oh, I almost forgot, what's that larger diameter wheel in the middle of the shaft for? I thought I saw two magnets attached to it, it might be indicative that the guy has a hall sensor or reed switch buried in the wooden post to sense angle position and facilitate the motor commutation, I think that's it. EM PS wattsup, have you traced the wires yet? lol this little motor/generator is very interesting. Is there a website that talks about it some more? You guys got me curious now. by the way, in the first part of the video, it looks like he connects a liquid battery in those 3 clear tubes, we can see the center carbon rods. I'm not sure what that part of the video is trying to prove but it's not anything OU. « Last Edit: 2011-08-23, 05:28:05 by EMdevices »

EMdevices	Re: Romerouk's Muller Replication « Reply #887 on: 2011-08-23, 06:05:20 »
Hero Member Posts: 805	This is what the inventor says: Este motor funciona a partir de un campo electromagnético auto inducido a partir de bobinas que repelen al rotor conformado por un imán y un volante inferior con dos pesos para crear inercia. Como fuente de potencia inicial se conecta una bateria que entrega 2.4 volts que convierte las bobinas en electro imanes y al girar en las bobinas se induce a su ves una corriente alterna en el bobinado secundario de cada bobina llevando esta corriente alterna a diodos que la rectifican en corriente continua pulsante, se conecta un condesador para estabilizar la corriente obteniendo mas de 60 volts de potencia como resultado. Las bobinas funcionan como inductancias y como transformadores a su ves. Cada bobina tiene un doble hilo de alambre, el consumo del motor es de 100 mha. la velocidad de giro es aproximadamente de 7000 rpm. Translation using google: This motor operates from a self-induced magnetic field from coils that repel the rotor consists of a magnet and a lower wheel with two weights to create inertia. As initial power source is connected to a battery that delivers 2.4 volts, which converts electric coils and magnets to rotate the coils induce her see an alternating current in the secondary winding of each coil carrying alternating current to the diodes that rectify DC pulsing, a condenser is connected to stabilize the current obtained more than 60 volts of power as a result. The coils act as inductors and as transformers. Each coil has a double strand of wire, motor consumption is 100 mha. the speed is about 7000 rpm. ------------------------ Romerouk's Muller Replication minimotrgen.JPG (37.1 kB, 637x356 - viewed 994 times.) « Last Edit: 2011-08-23, 06:45:15 by EMdevices »

Chet K	Re: Romerouk's Muller Replication « Reply #888 on: 2011-08-23, 12:49:23 »
Group: Ambassador Hero Member Posts: 4013	I want one............ Chet

e2matrix	Re: Romerouk's Muller Replication « Reply #889 on: 2011-08-23, 15:56:49 »
Sr. Member Posts: 338	I'll admit I was even having a problem believing that little motor. What first put up a red flag for me is that the motor seemed to start spinning before he even put the dremel on it (like just a fraction of a second before) when I looked at the vid close in high definition. I might be wrong but after seeing his other vid with the battery it seemed something wasn't being shown and the fact he won't share how it's done seems suspicious. I'm thinking the lower rotor with has 2 magnets and they are being spun by a motor under the table or nearby that has 2 magnets on it.

giantkiller	Re: Romerouk's Muller Replication « Reply #890 on: 2011-08-23, 16:33:25 »
Group: Elite Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 1575 Frequency equals matter...	There is a child under the table spinning a magnet wheel. The child speaking, in Lithuanian, is asking 'Are we there yet daddy?' LOL. Damn junior trolls! They start young, don't they? I saw no batteries. I thought the 2 items between springs were 2 gapped neodyns. This creates a switch electrically and a magnetic field that communicates with the magnets spinning by on the turbine. AC generator. Like I mentioned: a real fine balance. But the spark really intrigues me. --------------------------- http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/

Chet K	Re: Romerouk's Muller Replication « Reply #891 on: 2011-08-23, 17:32:19 »
Group: Ambassador Hero Member Posts: 4013	From Toranarads place here http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/7982-muller-generator-replication-romerouk-45.html ------------- Quote: Below is the latest comment from romero it may be of interest to you all Hi all, After reading some recent posts on different forums I decided to clarify some points. The core used to obtain speed under load can be most of the metals, laminated or not, ferrite, irondust or mumetal . I have obtained the effect even without core just air, but that is another thing and very tricky. I have tested all metals and got the effect but as we all know mumetal is the best because of many factors. The biggest problem with soft metal, steel or normal lamination is the heat acumulated in the core after short period of time. With ferrite, irondust or mumetal we don't have this problem. Ferrite is not as good as steel for the effect but because it stays almost cold is the advantage and the relative cheap price to buy it. If someone will get the effect with steel core then replace the core with something else the effect will vanish. Many parameters must be accounted and only after playing a lot with simple arrangements will understand every step. After playing with all of them I decided to continue working with irondust cores.They work much better than ferrite and cheap to obtain. When we are talking about speed under load we must understand that the load must be controlled all the time. The resistance of the load must be maintained in the limits but that is not limiting our posibilities to use it. Another thing I saw recently on the forums is the fact that the gain is shared to the numbers of the coils,... in my opinion is not true. Example: having multiple coils that are never in line with another is like we have one coil only and we are moving that coil in multiple points. Multiple coils means less rpm too.We can have the same thing with only one coil but at very high speed. We are aiming to keep the speed low.In my experiments until now high speed did not help a lot. This effect is not enough to get much OU unless we learn how to convert or transform the energy. Best regards, Romero

EMdevices	Re: Romerouk's Muller Replication « Reply #892 on: 2011-08-23, 18:07:01 »
Hero Member Posts: 805	The small motor is exactly that, a motor. The guy tells us it's a motor. 2.5 V input from the battery between the springs. Yes it has a generator function as well, but that does not surprise me at all. Getting 68 V at 7000 RPM from those coils should not surprise anybody. What's not apparent to me is how he is handling the commutation to achieve the motor function. Now that he mentions his coils are double wound, it is possible this is a Bedini motor scheme, and this explains why he needs to speed up the rotor before it begins to function. A few of us have built these and they work just fine. However, the problem with this assumption is that I do not see a transistor, and that's about all that is needed to have a motor Bedini style. All I see is 4 diodes the capacitor and the two coils up top. If this is a new form of commutation I am very interested. But perhaps it's similar to an induction motor, still interesting since these run on AC and he is driving them from a battery, so perhaps there's resonance involved that keeps driving the motor. Just speculating here. EM PS Can somebody who speaks Spanish please translate more correctly? I have a feeling google/translate is leaving out some of the finer details.

Chet K	Re: Romerouk's Muller Replication « Reply #893 on: 2011-08-23, 20:52:40 »
Group: Ambassador Hero Member Posts: 4013	EM @ All Seems that this [the Wee Motor/Genny]has Peaked the interest of a few "builders" here? http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=11320.msg298633#new Comments about "hows He Do That" Piezo crystal, gyroscopic, polarity flippin, Nasa Funded ,Flavour Shavers........... Chet

wattsup	Re: Romerouk's Muller Replication « Reply #894 on: 2011-08-23, 22:05:00 »
Hero Member Posts: 520	Hmmmmmmmmm. If you wind a generator coil in bifilar but opposing bifilar you will have two inverse generators per coil. You can output both independently, or you can output one and short the other for more effects. When the coils get energized via the rotor magnet, the coils when energized should not then create drag against the rotor magnet because both polarities being inversed should produce a neutral zone. Could it be as simple as that where the coils can output power while staying magnetically neutral and all the rotor magnet ever sees is the core mass as usual? wattsup PS: Who ever put up that video of the man with the battery, inverter and caps, etc. Thanks. I just learned that two IRF840s in parallel will give a much better pulse. I have been using them alone and have burnt so many. lol This guy is explaining his device very well with the required three events per cycle. This is working out the problem logically and implementing it. But like he said, the EE acumen required goes ions above my head. The interference problem of harmonics to not exist from one event to the other to the other of one cycles is just a crazy level of control. Incredible. Thanks. --------------------------- http://etherimpress.com

MileHigh	Re: Romerouk's Muller Replication « Reply #895 on: 2011-08-24, 00:21:17 »
Group: Guest	Note in the first part of the clip the little spinny motor is clearly not audibly slowing down over long periods lasting 10 seconds or more. The Laws of Nature say it has to slow down. So it's a very robust over unity deice or battery powered. To respond to Romero: Quote Another thing I saw recently on the forums is the fact that the gain is shared to the numbers of the coils,... in my opinion is not true. Example: having multiple coils that are never in line with another is like we have one coil only and we are moving that coil in multiple points. Multiple coils means less rpm too.We can have the same thing with only one coil but at very high speed. It would be a good investigation for replicators to do, check if coils add, multiply, or divide when it comes to their effects. Common sense tells you that they divide. There is a pie of energy and they share the pie. Having multiple coils that are never in line helps in rectifying the AC outputs from the pick-up coils. Each pick-up coil gets a separate time slice to drive the load. It's like rectifying three-phase power to get DC with some ripple. Otherwise these coils act exactly like any other pick-up coil. MileHigh

wattsup	Re: Romerouk's Muller Replication « Reply #896 on: 2011-08-24, 00:50:09 »
Hero Member Posts: 520	Quote from: MileHigh on 2011-08-24, 00:21:17 There is a pie of energy and they share the pie. MileHigh Since the gen coils are all FWBRed in series pairs, they cannot share anything with other pairs. They can only add their DC outputs. I tried to explain somewhere that putting the top coils in series and the bottom coils in series would create some major havoc (call it sharing havoc) that would be interesting to experiment with but no one has talked about this thus far. wattsup --------------------------- http://etherimpress.com

Chet K	Re: Romerouk's Muller Replication « Reply #897 on: 2011-08-24, 01:35:15 »
Group: Ambassador Hero Member Posts: 4013	OOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH You Gotta see this!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I believe the original Vid is Back? VidBid Posted this REMERO ? Replication at Toranarads http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNvp6Ttm818&feature=youtu.be PDF http://alt-nrg.org/files/selfrunning_free_energy_device_muller_motor_generator_romerouk_version1_1.pdf From Here http://energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/7982-muller-generator-replication-romerouk-45.html Chet VIDBID IS STARTNG A NEW THREAD HERE http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/8923-remerogen.html PDF'S Videos ,Dancing girls and free Beer[non alcoholic]...........[ « Last Edit: 2011-08-24, 02:08:40 by ramset »

wattsup	Re: Romerouk's Muller Replication « Reply #898 on: 2011-08-24, 02:24:13 »
Hero Member Posts: 520	Quote from: ramset on 2011-08-24, 01:35:15 OOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH You Gotta see this!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I believe the original Vid is Back? VidBid Posted this REMERO ? Replication at Toranarads http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNvp6Ttm818&feature=youtu.be PDF http://alt-nrg.org/files/selfrunning_free_energy_device_muller_motor_generator_romerouk_version1_1.pdf From Here http://energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/7982-muller-generator-replication-romerouk-45.html Chet @ramset That's Video 1. Nothing new. Also, when you refer us to posts at EF, please use their permanlink located at top right of the post you want us to see. Otherwise we have to wade through the whole thread page to find what you are indicating, so we iz lost. Just right click it, copy link location, then paste it. wattsup --------------------------- http://etherimpress.com

Chet K	Re: Romerouk's Muller Replication « Reply #899 on: 2011-08-24, 02:31:17 »
Group: Ambassador Hero Member Posts: 4013	Thanks Wattsup I suppose Vidbid will be showing "his Interpretation". Permalink it will be Thanks http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/8923-remerogen.html#post153212 Chet

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