The replacement probe from China finally arrived on November 2, 2011.
I did the first two oscilloscope measurement on the Michael Du prototype. The Joule Thief part was on a breadboard and the toroid was air-toroid with secondary windings.
Please see the attached diagrams for a first look. More detailed measurements can be performed.
May God guide us all.
The Michael Du prototype has now been shown to over 10 qualified individuals.
The LEDs, resistors, etc. were unplugged and re-arranged. The overunity result could be reproduced.
The prototype was taken to the dining table and put on the turn table for all to take pictures.
The results on Dec 5 are displayed here.
Now I have 4 secondariy coils A.B.C.D wrapped around the Joule Thief Toroid.
The initial results are interestomg. See diagram.
More experiments and more details to come.
The Input and Output waveform comparisons. Thanks to the use of two oscilloscopes.
Instruments cannot lie???
Thank you to the Almighty once again.
Tried to put all 4 secondaries connected in series.
The resulting voltage increased. But the current dropped. The resulting power waveform was not a standing wave.
This is the major challenge with resonance experiments.
Quote from: ltseung888 on 2011.12.09, 01:41:33
The Input and Output waveform comparisons. Thanks to the use of two oscilloscopes.
Instruments cannot lie???
Thank you to the Almighty once again.
Would it be possible to "scope" the waveform
at the base of the transistor when the desired
output waveform is produced? Perhaps there
may be some additional clues there.
Hunting for resonance frequency with the Signal Generator.
The Joule Thief was disconnected (or the battery was removed). The Signal Generator now supplies the power and the pulse via a LED. This provides the Pulse and the Brightness of the LED helps to identify resonance.
The peak frequency as detected on the Signal Generator was 690KHz. The peak-to-peak voltage reading was 5.2 volts. The voltage drops to 2.6 Volts or lower when the frequency was higher than 700 or lower tha 650 KHz.
See picture below.
With the Divine Guidance, the oscilloscope may act as a resonance frequency finder together with the signal generator.
Testing the red-black wire toroid.
This is the toroid used in the Michael Du experiments. It has two bifilar coils. One was used as Joule Thief. The other was used as Secondary Coils.
In this experiment, all the 4 wire pairs were treated as independent. One was used as Input or primary with the Signal Generator feeding square waves.
The other 3 were treated as Secondary Coils.
As seen on the picture, the resulting are square waves for both primary and secondary coils. This is the expected result of a normal AC transformer.
More details to come.
Effect of adding a diode at the Signal Generator.
Instead of cutting off half of the waveform cleanly, voltage spikes were observed.
The emf or back emf produced is a function of the rate of the flux change. This is the cause of the spike.
The rapid on and off switching of current in a Joule Thief produces the much higher voltage spikes that allowed a 3V LED to be lighted by a less than 1 V battery. This is part of the magic behind the Joule Thief.
The theory behind Pulsed Flux Change Systems.
Let us examine the theory behind a normal transformer.
1. The EMF is a function of the rate of change of Flux multiplied by the number of turns of wire.
2. For the normal transformer, the rate of change of Flux at the Secondary is the same as that at the Primary.
3. Let us use the following notations:
a. Rp = Rate of Flux Change at the Primary
b. Vp = Voltage at the Primary
c. Np = Number of turns of the Primary Coil
d. Ip = Current at the Primary
e. Rs = Rate of Flux Change at the Secondary
f. Vs = Voltage at the Secondary
g. Ns = Number of turns of the Secondary Coil
h. Is = Current at the Secondary
4. We have the following relationships:
a. Rp = Rs ; The rate of change of flux is the same especially for sine wave AC
b. Vp = Np * Rp ; EMF is the product of number of turns time rate of flux change
c. Vp * Ip = Vs * Is ; Conservation of Energy
d. (Np * Rp) * Ip = (Ns * Rs) * Is
e. Np * Ip = Ns * Is ; Since Rp = Rs, they cancel out
f. Np/Ns = Is/Ip ; Relationship between current and number of turns.
g. Np/Ns = Vp/Vs ; Relationship between voltage and number of turns
h. Vp/Vs = Is/Ip ; Relationship between voltage and current.
i. From f, g, h, we have the normal understanding of the transformer. For Step-up (Voltage on Secondary greater than Primary), Ns must be greater than Np. The Secondary Current will then be less. If the voltage doubles, the current will be half.
5. When we have the pulsed DC transformer, we have different relationships.
a. Rp is not equal to Rs. Rs = A * Rp where A can be a large positive number. This is the spike produced by sudden change in voltage or current. The sudden change can be produced by spark gaps, Joule Thief type Switching, Reed Switches or even a diode connected in series with a square wave generator.
b. If Energy can be led-out or brought-in at some resonance conditions, equation 4e may be changed to
Ns * Is = B *Np * Ip where B can be a large positive number.
From 5, we get the following new relationships:
(1) Vs/Vp = A x Ip/Is
(2) Is/Ip = (A/B) x Np/Ns
(3) Vs/Vp = B x Ns/Np
If we examine (3), it says that Vs can be greater than Vp by B for the same number of turns (Ns=Np)!
If we examine (2), it says that the Secondary Current can be greater than or smaller than the Primary Current for the same number of turns (Ns-Np) depending on the ratio of A/B
The two above ifs have been observed in the experiments with FLEET using the oscilloscopes.
Thus, to conclude in words, we can use sharp DC Pulses to create high voltages. We can lead-out or bring-in energy at some resonance conditions. This is the theory behind DC Pulse and resonance systems. FLEET is an example. Other systems such as Steven Mark TPU, Don Smith and Tariel Kapanadze devices may be explained by the same theory.
God Bless
Experiments on Dec 18, 2011.
The Joule Thief with air core is studied in more detail.
The first slide shows the setup and the resulting output Voltage form.
The second slide shows the effect of removing the LED on the Joule Thief Circuit.
The interpretation will come later.
Experiments on Dec 21, 2011.
The purpose of this experiment is to use the same oscilloscope for Input and then Output waveforms.
Many researchers have only one oscilloscope. They need to pay attention to the probe grounding. Some oscilloscopes, such as the Atten series, have internal common ground for Channel 1 and Channel 2. Care must be taken.
The recommended steps are:
1. Get Output first
2. Get Input
3. Tune using Output display and look for Standing Waves.
4. Repeat 1 and 2 after tuning. This may involve more than one trial.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.
May God Guide the Researchers.
Experiment on Dec 22, 2011
Effect of adding a capacitor on the Joule Thief side (Across the 1 K ohm resistor)
Note the large drop in frequency at the Output.
This shows the importance of capacitance in the tuning process.
May God Guide all Researchers.
Experiment on Dec 26, 2011
An Engineer, Apache, built a working FLEET from basic components. The resulting peak-to-peak COP is over 6. See attached.
Experiment on Dec 27
Added a capacitor across the 1K ohm resistor on the Joule Thief.
The Input Power was reduced and the Output Power was increased. Higher COP resulted.
May GOD conntinue to guide us.
Experiment on 27a
Added a capacitor in series at the secondary.
Peak-to-peak COP or Tseung FLEET Comparison Index pp increased to 261.
Experiment on Dec 28
Repeat the Experiment on Dec 27 with only 1 oscilloscope.
Experiments on Dec 29
We now have at least 2 persons in Irvine, USA who can build and tune FLEET prototypes until COP > 1 is achieved.
Apache and Robert came to use the oscilloscopes this afternoon.
May God continue to guide them
Experiment on Dec 30, 2011
The prototype was built by Allen. He used two Secondaries. One secondary was used to light an LED. The other secondary was used to light both an LED and a 1 ohm resistor.
The Input Voltage was very low - 100mV. This was double checked. The slightly surprising result was a very high COPrms value (330)
Now we have at least 4 persons other than myself in Irvine, California who have built working FLEET prototypes with Output Power > Battery Supplied Input Power. The extra energy came from the lead-out or bring-in energy from the surrounding.
Bless the Divine Wine.
Experiment on Dec 31
The Allen Prototype used on Dec 30 was pulled totally from the breadboard. It was then put back with different wires and different holes. The Input numbers did not change much. The Output numbers changed significantly.
This means we should take pictures and try to freeze the good prototypes. The good results may not be reproducible if the prototype is tempered with.
Amen.
Experiment on Jan 2, 2012
The Output waveforms of a FLEET prototype was shown.
Note that both the Voltage and Current are NOT sine waves. The traditional AC calculations would not apply.
Presentation to the Lams
Mr. Lam is an established engineer from Australia. He has done much research on Lasers and Electric Motors.
He built a Joule Thief and tested an overunity FLEET prototype.
The Divine Wine is shared.
The most important comment from the Engineers.
In the past few weeks, there were many visits from many engineers. The Lead-Out/Bring-in theory was presented multiple times. FLEET prototypes were tested, dissembled and reassembled for testing again.
The most important comment in my opinion is the following:
"I never thought of using the oscilloscopes to measure the instantaneous voltage and current. Their product provides the instantaneous power. It does not matter whether the system is DC, AC or Pulsed. Two oscilloscopes are used to display and compare the Input and Output waveforms. When we examine the voltage and current waveforms, we can see that they are not sine waves. They do not have a phase relationship as in normal AC circuits. We have to be open-minded to examine the waveforms objectively. The standing waves shown by some of the Output Power curves indicate resonance. If we have different resonance frequencies, they may mutual reinforce each other. A Steven Mark TPU type device may result."
I think that the above comment captured the essence of the FLEET technology. The instantaneous voltage and current waveforms are shown again to emphasize the above comment.
Amen.
Experiment on Jan 6, 2012
There is some confusion with the experimental data. I shall present them as observed here.
The confusion is at the measurement of Input Current across a one ohm resistor. It appears that we get totally different results if the +ve and -ve probe positions are change.
In ADS00045, we had negative power. When we reverse the +ve and -ve connections at the probe, we had positive power at a very different value.
The results are presented as obtained here. The final interpretation may come later.
God Bless.
Experiment on Jan 7, 2012
The prototype was adjust for maximum sensitivity so that the CSV files show the most detail.
Here are the results.
The significance of the waveform (bmp) and the data (csv) files.
Let me elaborate on the significance of the slides and the analysis of the data files here.
In the slide titled Experiment on Jan 8, 2012, we have the Output and the Input waveforms. The display from the oscilloscope are the instantaneous value of Ch1 (top curve), the instantaneous value of Ch2 (bottom curve) and the instantaneous value of Ch1*Ch2 (middle curve).
In the experiment, Ch1 was used to measure the Instantaneous Voltage across the Input or the Output. Ch2 was used to measure the instantaneous Current (voltage across two 1 ohm resistors connected in series). The choice of two 1 ohm rather than one 1 ohm resistor was based on the better sensitivity with the two 1 ohm resistors.
In Physics and Electrical Engineering, the Instantaneous Power at any instant is equal to the Instantaneous Voltage multiplied by the Instantaneous Current at the same instant. It does not matter whether the voltage is DC, AC or pulsed. This scientific fact and technique is used in the calculation and comparison of Input and Output Power.
Another important scientific fact is the observing of Standing Waves. Standing waves can be produced by the reflecting of the waves such as in sound resonance. The same concept applies to electromagnetic waves. We need to examine the waveform for nodes (maximum amplitude) and anti-nodes (minimum or zero amplitude). In the Power Waveform, we can find that there are positive and negative areas. We can interpret the positive area as power going out from the energy source to do work (heat up resistor, lighting LEDs etc.). We can interpret the negative area as power coming back to feed the energy source (recharging battery or providing more flux change in the toroidal coils).
When we compare the Output and the Input waveforms, we could easily see that the Output Voltage is much greater than the Input Voltage. Besides the eyeball technique, we can compare the peak-to-peak or rms values. In this case, the Output Voltage peak-to-peak is 4.56V. The Input Voltage peak-to-peak is 174mV. The Output is greater than Input (for comparison with this value) is 26.2 times.
If we compare the Output Current (Ch2 values), the Output Ch2 peak-to-peak value is 32.6mV. The Input Ch2 peak-to-peak value is 32.0mV. The Output is greater than Input by 1.019 times.
The more significant observation is that the Output Power waveform has large positive and large negative areas. It is not a perfect Standing Wave. If we average out the positive and the negative areas, we may get a very low value. This value is the energy required to maintain the Standing Wave. For a perfect Standing Wave, this value should be zero. In order to understand the Standing Wave, we need to examine the positive and negative area separately.
This brings us to the CSV files. In the Atten Oscilloscope, I can get the CSC files which can be converted to Excel (xls) files. The captured data consists of three columns. The first column is the time with largest negative value increasing to 0 and then to the largest positive number in seconds. This is related to the sampling time and interval. The second column is the CH1 voltage and the third column is the Ch2 voltage value.
Once we have the xls file, we can manipulate the data. We can calculate the CH1*CH2 values (in column e). From ADS00058, the average Output power = -0.0005. From ADS00057, the average Input Power = 0.000226. The Coefficient of Performance (COP) is the average Output divided by the Input Power. In this case, the value is -2.2. The negative sign is very significant. It means that there is more power going back in the Output (secondary) circuit. In other words, more energy is coming back than going out!
Where does the extra energy come from? From the Law of Conservation of Energy, energy cannot be created or destroyed. My explanation is that the extra energy comes from the surrounding. I used the term lead-out or bring-in energy. The FLEET prototypes happen to use the rapid and abrupt pulsing of the Joule Thief Circuit coupled with the appropriate resonance to bring-in the orbiting energy of the electrons. (Much of the theory is discussed at overunityresearch.com under the ltseung888 bench).
If we look at column f in ASA00058, we find that the positive area sum is 9.470592 (column f) and the negative area sum is -15.057216. The net result is -5.586624. This should be compared with the corresponding values in the Input (ADS00057) file. The corresponding values are: 2.621408, -0.080344 and 2.541064. The result shows a much higher "energy" associated with the Output than Input. It also shows the importance of examining the power waveform and the separation of positive and negative areas for analysis. The simple use of the mean (or average) Power Value is not sufficient.
I welcome any constructive comments on the above analysis. The data as presented already demonstrated overunity. I shall publish more and better results in the next few weeks. Some will be from people who is learning and using my Atten Oscilloscopes.
May God Guide us all.
Experiment on Jan 11a
Try to determine the effect of length of wire.
Jan11a used unnecessary length of extra wire.
Jan11b used minimum length of wire.
The two files ADS00067 and ADS00070 have been updated to include the positive and negative area only calculations.
The average or mean power is not sufficient to yield the full understanding.
Both the positive and the negative area of the Output Power curve are greater than those of Input.
Today is Friday the thirteenth.
There is good news for the FLEET developers.
One application may be out withing weeks. We are one step closer to solving the energy crisis of the World.
Amen.
Edit: Knowledge is one of the rare things that - the more you give, the more you have!
Quote from: ltseung888 on 2012.01.13, 15:14:11
There is good news for the FLEET developers.
One application may be out within weeks. We are one step closer to solving the energy crisis of the World.
Amen.
Edit: Knowledge is one of the rare things that - the more you give, the more you have!
I was watching an old TV drama from China. It showed the discussions on how China or any under developed Nation should do.
The key concept was scientific knowledge and how to turn that knowledge into meaningful economic activities.This may also apply to the Lead-out Energy Divine Revelations. The West got its success via the scientific revolution. Will the East rise via the energy revolution? Will the Year of the Dragon stimulate the activities in the East? Will the success of a simple application lead the way to the big revolution?
How would the US election affect the Lead-out Energy development?
Experiments on Jan 16
These experiments started out with a working FLEET. Measurements were taken and the CSV files were analyzed. The average Input Power was negative. That implies more energy is fed back to the source than supplied. This by itself is an indication of overunity.
The working FLEET prototype was than totally disassembled. It was reassembled on a different position on the breadboard. The secondary circuit was placed farer away. To our surprise, the COP from the average was 0.70 (less than 1).
When we observe the actual power curve, the Output was a bigger "standing wave" than the Input. We then compared the positive and the negative only areas. Such comparison showed that the Output was indeed more than Input. Another surprising result was that both Input and Output average power was negative. That implies both were "recharging circuits".
The relevant files are shown and you are encouraged to examine the xls files.
May the Almighty continue to guide all lead-out energy researchers.
Experiment on Jan 22
The oscilloscopes were initially set to provide the highest sensitivity to yield the best CSV files. The Output Scale and the Input Scale were set differently. That confused some visiting engineers.
Their comments were - for the casual visitor, use the less sensitive (may be less accurate) settings so that a quick eyeball comparison will give the right conclusion that the Output Power Curve contains more area than the Input Power Curve. That is sufficient to get the visitors thinking.
The high sensitivity set up for CSV files are for experts. Do that only to the experts. They are likely to spend much more time and may even try the thing out using their own familiar Oscilloscopes.
Amen.
I hosted a "Watch the State of the Union Address" and heard the great speech from President Obama.
Here is the follow-up email to the participants.
Follow-up on Create a Better World – watch State of the Union – Event
Total Number of participants = 13
Host: Lawrence Tseung, ltseung@hotmail.com, 949-278-4003, 239 Tall Oak Irvine CA 92603
Thank you for participating in a very memorable event. The State of the Union Speech was one of the best I have ever heard. It was good to have other supporters of different nationality and background to share the excitement. I feel that together with President Obama, we can Create a Better World in the next four years. The energy crisis of the World will be overcome. There will be less pollution, fewer conflicts and wars because of oil. We can enrich the most valuable asset of a person – the Mind. Once the Mind is focused on peace and prosperity for all, the actions will follow. Meaningful Economic Activities (modern wealth) will mushroom.
I have put my PowerPoint presentations as pdf files in overunityresearch.com under the bench of ltseung888. You can check updates on the lead-out or bring-in energy technology from time to time. Hopefully, I shall get some "gift hats" to give away sometime in the near future.
Thank you once again for the delicious food and Company. We have a great president and we shall vote to give him more time to fulfill his promises.
Yours sincerely,
Lawrence Tseung
QuoteThe State of the Union Speech was one of the best I have ever heard. It was good to have other supporters of different nationality and background to share the excitement. I feel that together with President Obama, we can Create a Better World in the next four years. The energy crisis of the World will be overcome. There will be less pollution, fewer conflicts and wars because of oil. We can enrich the most valuable asset of a person – the Mind. Once the Mind is focused on peace and prosperity for all, the actions will follow. Meaningful Economic Activities (modern wealth) will mushroom.
Have you read any George Orwell, like Animal farm or 1984?
Raising taxes in a destroyed economy is self destruction. If you look at the larger american cities that have been Demonatically controlled with welfare and entitlement you see total blight and anarchy in the extreme poverty stricken. Houston, Detroit , Philadelphia to name a few. These cities have been largely Demonatic for 30 years. And the people still cry out for mother's milk / Soma.
You seem like an educated person. Read the data and follow the money. Only 10% of the program funds get to the people that really need it. Most of the time its corruption and political graft.
Thank you for letting me [Share my excitement]. Those that believe their leaders don't own a gun.
One can only be lied to through their ears. Actions speak louder than words.
I am too busy to engage in Political Debates.
But I do think that the State of the Union Address on Jan 24, 2012 was one of the best political speeches.
Attached is an updated pdf describing my thoughts.
Reply to some questions
1. I got a negative value on the average Input Power. On examination of the waveform, I can see that the input voltage is fluctuating with a significant negative peak. What does that mean?
When we examine the Power Curve (either Input or Output), Positive Power means energy coming from the source. That is the normal case Negative Power means energy going back to the source. Even with normal AC systems, some negative power will be seen going back to the electrical companies. If you have negative Input Power, Congratulations. You have hit on a condition that more power is going back to your battery.
2. When I use my Negative Input Power Prototype to light up LEDs, the battery life appeared to be much longer (at least 9 times) compared with a Positive Input Power Prototype. If I use a rechargeable battery, will the battery life be even longer (perhaps infinitely longer)?
Try it. I have some FLEET prototypes that lighted up LEDs for weeks. If you check on the long Joule Thief thread at overunity.com, you will find similar claims. I have not hit on an infinitely long condition yet. However, I managed to use the circuit to recharge batteries. You can get more information from Patrick Kelly's eBook – Chapter 5.
3. Have any one claimed that the Joule Thief is an overunity circuit? It seemed that the circuit could light up many LEDs for long times. Has any measurements been made?
Not all Joule Thief Circuits are overunity circuits. You have to tune them to achieve overunity. The best way of tuning is to use two oscilloscopes. One to measure Input and another to measure Output. If the scales were set to the same, eyeball comparison will give you a first order indication. To be more scientific, you can analysis the CSV data files and do detailed spreadsheet analysis. Please refer to my posts with attached csv files for details. As for confirmation, please examine the threads by Prof. Steven Jones. He is a retired Physics Professor at BYU. He received two FLEET prototypes from me early 2011 and he was able to improve on them and used the high quality oscilloscopes from the University to confirm.
4. With my negative average Input Prototype (sorry, no details), is that a breakthrough in itself? The battery is receiving more energy back than it is giving. Can that be real? Does it violate any laws of Physics?
With the FLEET research, we believe that electron motion energy can be lead-out or brought-in. That will not violate the Law of Conservation of Energy. One condition for bringing-in such energy is via resonance. Thus we look for characteristics of resonance such as pure sine waves no matter the waveform of Input, Standing Waves, High Output Power waveform compared with Input Power waveform etc. Now you have raised another interesting characteristic – Negative Average Input Power. (Same will apply to negative Output Power). So please analyze your results with EXCEL on your csv files.
May the Almighty continue to guide the Wine Servers.
Doing more on the CSV files
I used the data in the CSV file to get the Output Voltage Waveform and compared it with that from the bmp file.
Theoretically, they should be identical. They are very close. Thus the CSV files should be the ones to rely on scientifically.
See the attached file for details.
This is the first attempt in getting all relevant information in one file.
It requires more work. I may add the theoretically explanation (summary) in also.
I would like to have the same format for presentation by all replicators.
That will greatly cut down the confusion.
Enjoy the Divine Wine.
This is the second attempt. It looks much better than the first.
Enjoy.
I polished the information related to the prototype on Jan 11, 2012 using the new format.
The same air core toroid as the tests on Jqn 16 was used. The holes on the breadboard are different. The COP is very different.
This is the normal case. Output Power > Input Power. Both the positive and negative areas are larger.
COP is much greater than 1.
Enjoy the Divine Wine.
Quote from: ltseung888 on 2011.12.06, 04:07:25
The Michael Du prototype has now been shown to over 10 qualified individuals.
The LEDs, resistors, etc. were unplugged and re-arranged. The overunity result could be reproduced.
The prototype was taken to the dining table and put on the turn table for all to take pictures.
The results on Dec 5 are displayed here.
I just noticed this thread and my observed questions to the photos are:
This is a single layer of wire on a toroid, with a bifilar winding? Same direction or counterwound? Caduceus? Two inputs and two outputs with a 1:1 set of coils?
Has the test been done on other oscilloscopes?
I admit I have no time right now to look at the whole thread, so I may be missing something.
--Lee
The prototype on Feb 1, 2012.
I think I have finally found the best and easiest comparison of Output and Input Power.
I used 400 sample points for the comparison. With EXCEL, I can plot the Instantaneous Output Power Curve and the Instantaneous Input Power Curve on the same plot.
Such waveform comparisons clearly showed that the Output Power Curve contains much more energy than the Input.
*** Edit: Study the Power Waveform Comparison carefully. I recommend two oscilloscopes because one can use eyeball comparison for tuning. But for scientific recording purposes, the EXCEL comparison is essential.
Divine Wine is wonderful.
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on 2012.01.31, 23:57:40
I just noticed this thread and my observed questions to the photos are:
This is a single layer of wire on a toroid, with a bifilar winding? Same direction or counterwound? Caduceus? Two inputs and two outputs with a 1:1 set of coils?
Has the test been done on other oscilloscopes?
I admit I have no time right now to look at the whole thread, so I nay be missing something.
--Lee
There are two layers of windings. The bottom layer is the standard Joule Thief winding. The top layer has roughly the same number of turns wound in the same way (both clockwise). The top layer can be treated as two separate secondary coils or connected as one.
If you do not have time, just read the last few posts. This is a learning thread. Things get better as I learn more.
Quote from: ltseung888 on 2012.02.02, 14:10:28
There are two layers of windings. The bottom layer is the standard Joule Thief winding. The top layer has roughly the same number of turns wound in the same way (both clockwise). The top layer can be treated as two separate secondary coils or connected as one.
Yes, very good. The top layer is essentially a center-tapped secondary---sort of (?)---with equally numbered windings and oriented coil turns. Ordinary transformers don't step-up power like a toroid, since they aren't a toroid. Yours does. I hadn't heard of that before.
Quote
If you do not have time, just read the last few posts. This is a learning thread. Things get better as I learn more.
You bet. I'm glad I'm here. I should have more freedom and time in the future. And I'll look at the past postings as you suggest.
--Lee
The Secret of Joule Thief and FLEET Circuits
I have been working on the Joule Thief and FLEET Circuits for over two years now. It was always a mystery to me why such simple circuits could light up hundreds and even thousands of LEDs; recharge batteries of higher voltage than the 1.5 V AA battery; prolong battery life for days or even weeks and perform the many wonders described in the long Joule Thief Threads in the Overunity.com forum.
Is the Joule Thief or FLEET circuit overunity? I know that I can tune many Joule Thief circuits with the secondary coils until the Output Power Curve is greater than the Input Power Curve as seen on my two oscilloscopes. However, the success rate is NOT 100%.
After so many experiments and studies, I believe the following is the secret of the Joule Thief and FLEET circuits.
1. There is no violation of the Law of Conservation of Energy as Energy is Led-out or Brought-in from the surrounding.
2. Such Led-out or Brought-in Energy is from the energy of the Orbiting Electrons. Any Orbiting electron can act as a tiny magnet (dipole).
3. Chemical Energy is a result of the re-arrangement of the electron cloud around compounds.
4. Electric or magnetic fields can affect the motion and/or orientation of the electrons. Such fields can lead-out or bring-in the Energy of the orbiting electrons into the system.
5. There are trillions of orbiting electrons. They can affect their neighbors. Thus Energy can be "sucked in" with a possible result of cooler temperature.
6. In a normal AC transformer, the voltage or emf is related to the rate of change of magnetic flux per turn of wire. Thus a 1:1 transformer cannot increase the secondary voltage but a 1:N ratio can.
7. If there is a rapid change of magnetic flux, the normal transformer relationship in point 6 no longer holds. The sudden cut off of electric current can produce a high magnetic flux change resulting in a higher emf or back emf as compared with results in point 6. This is the secret why the Joule Thief or FLEET circuits can produce a very high Output Voltage with the same number of turns of wire.
8. In a normal AC transformer, if the secondary voltage goes up, the secondary current must go down because of the Law of Conservation of Energy.
9. In the case of the Joule Thief or FLEET circuits (if tuned to some type of resonance), Electron Motion Energy can be led-out or brought-in. This results in a higher current than predicted by point 6.
10. The best way to observe, measure or tune for overunity is to use two oscilloscopes. One to display the Input Waveforms (Voltage, Current and Power). The other to display the Output Waveforms. In particular, the comparison of the Output and the Input Power Waveforms will give hints of overunity.
11. The more scientific way is to analyze the oscilloscope data captured as CSV (EXCEL compatible format) files. I usually set Channel 1 to measure the Voltage; Channel 2 to measure the Current (voltage across a 1 ohm resistor). The CSV file will provide many thousand sample points and the corresponding time values. We can then use EXCEL to get the Instantaneous Power (CH1*CH2) and plot the many different graphs for display.
12. The COP (Coefficient of Performance) should be equal to the Average Power Output over the Average Power Input. Such average Power values can be obtained easily with EXCEL.
13. To be more exact, we need to analyze not just the average power value. We must examine the positive and the negative only area of the Power Curves.
14. Positive Power implies energy supplied to the Circuit. Negative Power implies energy flowing back to the source. In the case of Joule Thief or FLEET, the source is the battery.
15. Actual experiments showed that both the Average Input Power and the Average Output Power can be positive or negative. If the Average of the Input Power is negative, it implies that the Input Circuit is a recharging circuit. More energy flows back to the battery than supplied! This explains the very long battery life.
16. If both the positive area and the negative area of the Output Power Curve are greater than those of Input, it implies a very large output activity. The Output Power Standing wave contains much more energy than Input. Thus many thousand LEDs can be lighted.
17. The theoretical basis of the oscilloscope measurement is from the well accepted Physics principle – the Instantaneous Power is equal to the product of the Instantaneous Voltage and the Instantaneous Current. This principle holds no matter whether the system is DC, AC or Pulsed.
18. Many configurations can produce a Joule Thief lighting a LED. This led many to believe that all Joule Thief Circuits are equally capable. This assumption is false. A FLEET (Forever Lead-Out Electromagnetic Energy Transformer) has secondary coils on top of the Joule Thief tuned to some resonance condition so that COP >1. Not all Joule Thief Circuits can be tuned to achieve COP > 1.
19. Experimental observation showed that small changes in the FLEET circuit can have a large effect on the final waveform comparisons. These small changes include different positions of the electronics on the breadboard, different length of wires, different value of resistors, capacitors, diodes, etc. The biggest change usually comes from the toroid – different diameter, core material, number of windings, tightness of the winding, the pitch etc.
20. So far, I found that the COP performance to be empirical. Once a good COP performer is obtained, one should work on it with the aim of turning it into a commercial product. One of the Taiwan LED Manufacturers is improving their LED hat with such FLEET technology.
21. Attached is a sample analysis with the Output Power and Input Power Waveform comparison. With Two separate Atten Oscilloscopes, I can see the comparison directly. Such an arrangement is ideal for tuning purposes. But I strongly recommend the more scientific way – analyze the CSV files with EXCEL.
22. I treat my work as Divine Revelations. I did not perform the miracles. I just help to serve the Divine Wine. The Wine will benefit the entire Human Race.
Ready-made air core of different sizes?
A Tough Question?
The Taiwan LED manufacturing company asked: "Will there be harmful effects if one puts on the FLEET LED hat for long periods?"
What should be the answer?
Here is the air toroid prototype testing again with new AA battery.
The Input Vpp was 2.8 Volts and the Output Vpp was 52 Volts. The COP was -10. The Average Input Power is negative.
The detailed csv file information is attached.
I received the new Probes from Hong Kong.
I can now say with confidence that the two oscilloscope experiments are worthwhile. The readings are reliable and the probes are of the right specifications. (Actually the replacement probe was not bad except that we did not have the highest sensitivity.)
Here are the latest results with new battery and new probes. COP = -78.
The most significant finding is the negative Input Power - recharging circuit. Shall use rechargeable batteries in next group of tests.
Just used rechargeable batteries. Apparently, the rechargeable AA battery did not recharge with this configuration.
We previously used the configuration as described in Patrick Kelly's Ebook - Chapter 5 and that worked.
Shall use lead-acid batteries and/or repeat the old working configurations.
Divine Wine still needs to be bottled and served.
I now understand why many researchers on the Joule Thief Circuit failed to detect "Overunity". They did not examine the csv files carefully. They did not compare the Output and Input Waveforms.
The attached xls file and the comparison waveforms tell the story. The COP =-0.07 but the circuit is very efficient. The many wonders of the Joule Thief can be demonstrated.
COP alone (even if the average powers were used) will not give the full and correct story.
The Divine Wine is far from simple.
I put another 3 LEDs on the output side. The COP changed from -0.07 to -10.48.
See file for details.
Put 7 LEDs on (same as LED hat).
The COP changed to -21.
One interesting thing is that the Average Input Power changed from -0.007455 to -0.005189.
See attached files.
Replaced the 1/4 W rating resistors with the 1 W ones from Radioshack.
Both the Input and Output Average Power were positive. The COP = 36.
Thus the tuning is still very much an art at this point. Same value of resistors at different rating gave very different results.
Divine Wine is far from simple.
The research direction to take:
1. Do a "commercial resonance condition" experiment so that a capable manufacturer can take the results and produce a money making product. Advantage: speed up the acceptance of Lead-out or Bring-in Energy. Disadvantage: the manufacturers of the LED HAT and the CAR BATTERY RECHARGER will be upset. They put in much effort to get such conditions.
2. Focus on the Negative Input or Output Power waveforms. That may already be evidence of OverUnity or Bringing or Leading-out environmental energy. Identify possible conditions for their occurrences. Advantage: New area of research that few had covered. Disadvantage: No immediate commercial value. Cannot rouse non-academic interest.
3. Do the calorimeter tests. Prof. Steven Jones and team are already doing that. It will be another confirmation. Advantage: Have an additional confirmation in addition to Oscilloscope Power Waveforms. Disadvantage: Diverting energy in a new direction.
4. Do an educational video on Lead-out or Bring-in energy covering all the three Divine Revelations. Advantage: Material is already available. Disadvantage: May not arouse the intended interest.
5. Work with the political organizations. Some from the Obama Re-election Camp showed interest. Advantage: May get support and interest. Disadvantage: They may have different agenda.
6. Do a comparison study with many existing claimed OU devices. Advantage: May have one theory pointing all in one direction. Disadvantage: May cause much unwanted, heated discussions.
7. Train many others. Advantage: Can be done with existing resources and components from Hong Kong. Disadvantage: Some trainees want commercial results.
8. Work with many International Organizations who showed Interest. Apply for the many Prizes to generate interest. Advantage: Get many groups to examine FLEET closely. Disadvantage: May need to modify direction to meet the different requirements.
9. Continue to sow seeds as in the Bible. Do any or all of above. Some seeds may fall on rock. Some may fall on fertile soil. Just tell the World about the Divine Wine. Encourage them to be Servers or Bottlers of the Wine.
May the Lord Guide us All.
I added a capacitor across the battery and checked whether the power waveforms changed significantly. This is to check whether the replacing of the battery with capacitors changed the circuit characteristics. The answer is - when you replace the battery with a capacitor, you have a different circuit.
So treat the two as two different circuits. There is no need to lump them together.
See the attached - especially the comparison with the Feb 16a diagrams and csv data.
Conversation at Lunch
A number of us were having lunch and talked about various topics. Some might have relevance here:
A: "Would your type of research be better in a Top-secret Government Organization?"
B: "The good thing about the US free system is that there is much competition. The weaklings automatically die out. If there were strong Government Support, the weaklings would remain."
C: "But who determines the weaklings? In any new area of research, there will be unknowns and uncertainties. Will the one who makes most noise get more resources?"
A: "No. Those who can demonstrate results usually can get more resources. In USA, there are many sources of private funding. There are many claimed OU devices on the Internet. I am sure that the technically sound and proven ones will get support somehow. The inventors with such inventions in front of them will be much more dedicated."
B: "We just have to wait. Now, the playground is global. The OU inventions do not need to come from any particular country. Just believe in the free system. When the weaklings fall apart, the strong ones will remain. It applies to businesses and it also applies to inventors."
Who has the greatest staying power? Those with Faith???
Playing with the Battery Charger Circuit on Feb 18, 2012.
The first attempt used rechargeable AA batteries. The result was not successful.
See the attached files.
Shall use the rechargeable batteries from the solar keyrings.
Not achieving desired results helps to eliminate one dead end.
Used a real diode to get DC voltage to recharge battery.
Result not successful.
Voltage of charging and to be charged batteries dropped.
See attached.
蒋先生:一切都好吧!何时回香港我一定会去深圳看您!还得加大宣传磁动机力度!(磁动力电动小跑车)王沈河致
Translation:
Dear Mr. Tseung,
Wishing you the best. When you come back to Hong Kong, I shall see you in Shenzhen. Please promote my self-powered magnetic engine (It is being used on electric sports cars).
From Wang Shen He.
I shall post pictures and detail reports when I get to drive the sports car. The limited information I have is that the sports car has the Wang Engine to recharge batteries. There is no need to use mains electricity. The prototype is available for demonstration now. Please emailMr. Wang directly at:
wshsdfm200808@126.com.
The Divine Wine comes with different favors and from different sources.
Shall repeat the battery charger circuit with ferrite core.
The first test was to put in one diode and no battery to be recharged yet.
The result is shown in attached files.
Quote from: ltseung888 on 2012.02.17, 06:58:28
Replaced the 1/4 W rating resistors with the 1 W ones from Radioshack.
Both the Input and Output Average Power were positive. The COP = 36.
Thus the tuning is still very much an art at this point. Same value of resistors at different rating gave very different results.
Divine Wine is far from simple.
Simple question?
If a large enough prototype was built to, say, power a refrigerator, and a toroid was wired to come before the power input receptacle, would the large COP allow a reduction in power consumed by the refrigerator?
I can try to draw a schematic and render it into .PDF to illustrate my idea later. The library changed their equipment type and I need to learn how to use it all over again. May take some time.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on 2012.02.27, 17:38:45
Simple question?
If a large enough prototype was built to, say, power a refrigerator, and a toroid was wired to come before the power input receptacle, would the large COP allow a reduction in power consumed by the refrigerator?
I can try to draw a schematic and render it into .PDF to illustrate my idea later. The library changed their equipment type and I need to learn how to use it all over again. May take some time.
--Lee
The answer is far from simple. With FLEET, the main function of the Input Battery is to get to the "Commercial resonance condition". Once that condition has been achieved, lead-out or bring-in energy will come from the environment to power the load.
I shall try to show some possible ways of achieving "commercial resonance condition". The simplest example is likely to be the LED hat. The existing LED hat uses two batteries and last for about 2 hours continuous running. The "commercial resonance conditioned" LED hat uses only one battery and lasts for at least two days. (The real product is likely to be even better.) Many researchers in the Joule Thief thread achieved that already.
The Divine Wine can be served in different ways.
Quote from: ltseung888 on 2012.02.27, 20:23:52
The answer is far from simple. With FLEET, the main function of the Input Battery is to get to the "Commercial resonance condition". Once that condition has been achieved, lead-out or bring-in energy will come from the environment to power the load.
...
I had in mind a variation of this, then:
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=984.0
If you say the battery needs to be part of the circuit for efficient functioning, then replacing the Gabriel device in my thread with your more powerful toroid version may be all that's needed.
--Lee
I shall do the "commercial resonance condition" hunting for the LED Hat in the coming days.
See the first comparison. A single 2023 battery cannot light the 5 LEDs. The existing Hat used TWO.
I used an air toroid FLEET to light 5 LEDs. Some experiments will include:
1. Use a single 2032 to light the 5 LEDs with the air toroid.
2. Do the time comparison - how long the 5 LEDs can be ON with AA batteries and 2032 batteries.
3. Replace air toroid with ferrite core.
4. Do different diameter toroids.
5. Get a commercial resonance condition that will interest a manufacturer.
I already know that COP>-300 is possible from my own experiments. The negative sign is significant because the Average Input Power can be negative. (Other teams could do much better.)
Quote from: ltseung888 on 2012.02.27, 23:34:43
I shall do the "commercial resonance condition" hunting for the LED Hat in the coming days.
See the first comparison. A single 2023 battery cannot light the 5 LEDs. The existing Hat used TWO.
I used an air toroid FLEET to light 5 LEDs. Some experiments will include:
1. Use a single 2032 to light the 5 LEDs with the air toroid.
2. Do the time comparison - how long the 5 LEDs can be ON with AA batteries and 2032 batteries.
3. Replace air toroid with ferrite core.
4. Do different diameter toroids.
5. Get a commercial resonance condition that will interest a manufacturer.
I already know that COP>-300 is possible from my own experiments. The negative sign is significant because the Average Input Power can be negative. (Other teams could do much better.)
Here are the results for the first test – lighting 5 LEDs with one AA battery.
The COP from average power ratios is 9.51.
Quote from: ltseung888 on 2012.02.27, 23:34:43
...
I used an air toroid FLEET to light 5 LEDs. Some experiments will include:
1. Use a single 2032 to light the 5 LEDs with the air toroid.
2. Do the time comparison - how long the 5 LEDs can be ON with AA batteries and 2032 batteries.
3. Replace air toroid with ferrite core.
4. Do different diameter toroids.
5. Get a commercial resonance condition that will interest a manufacturer.
I like the variation in #'s 1-4. I would do something similar in my experiments. However, I still have a problem understanding something: Why is a battery with an (admittedly) inherent positive and negative electrical charge necessary to achieve this, as I quote you:
With FLEET, the main function of the Input Battery is to get to the "Commercial resonance condition".Why is a battery necessary?
Quote
I already know that COP>-300 is possible from my own experiments. The negative sign is significant because the Average Input Power can be negative. (Other teams could do much better.)
Is it possible to get a COP =>1,000 to 5,000? Even more? That would amount to practically limitless free power.
--Lee
Here is the result of the AA battery with 5 LEDs after 6 hours continously running.
The LED lights appear to be as bright as at the beginning.
The COP changed from 9.51 to -7.88.
See the attached files.
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on 2012.02.28, 16:41:50
I like the variation in #'s 1-4. I would do something similar in my experiments. However, I still have a problem understanding something: Why is a battery with an (admittedly) inherent positive and negative electrical charge necessary to achieve this, as I quote you:
With FLEET, the main function of the Input Battery is to get to the "Commercial resonance condition".
Why is a battery necessary?Is it possible to get a COP =>1,000 to 5,000? Even more? That would amount to practically limitless free power.
--Lee
It is indeed possible to get COP > 5,000. That Company keeps the information confidential as it is "commercial resonance condition". They are building products based on such prototype. You will know about it when the product is on the Market.
It is possible to replace the battery with a charged capacitor as in Prof. Steven Jones thread. He wants to use that to measure power Input. However, I have not done that myself. I am happy with batteries. One coming project is the recharging of a bank of 12V car batteries. One team already claimed success and has a demonstration car for me to drive when I go back to Hong Kong.
The 5 LED FLEET is still ON after > 24 hours with ONE AA battery.
As a comparison, the existing LED hat uses 2 2023 batteries and the LEDs will go out after less than 2 hours.
Can we consider this result as an exploitable "Commercial Resonance Condition"?
Or should we continue the research and hunt for a better "Commercial Resonance Condition"?
As far as the Joule Thief Circuit is concerned, I already know from the long Joule Thief thread at Overunity.com that much better "commercial Resonance Conditions" exist. One approach is to read the thread and experiment with one of the better Commecial Resonance Conditions. The other approach is to continue the trial and error experiment.
Edited on March 1: The AA Battery voltage went from 1.416V to 1.164V but could still light the LEDs after 24 hours. This means ONE AA battery with FLEET technology can light 5 LEDs for > 24 hours compared with the original LED hat that used two 2023 batteries to light 5 LEDs for < 2 hours. Such a result is already worth further experimenting. The power waveform comparisons already demonstrated COP>1.
See the attached for details.
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on 2012.02.27, 17:38:45
...I can try to draw a schematic and render it into .PDF to illustrate my idea later. The library changed their equipment type and I need to learn how to use it all over again. May take some time.
Here's what I was talking about (attachment). Will power consumption be reduced, on average, by the specific schematic's components, as drawn? Is there an opinion?
--Lee
I understand the horizontal scale, samples, but what is the vertical scale? Is in milliwatts? Megawatts?
I've measured the conventional Joule Thief efficiency somewhere around 40 to 70 percent. That's using the 1 ohm current sense resistor and assuming 3.3 volts across the LED. My Supercharged Joule Thief has greater efficiency, typically 70 percent or more. But I'm not sure about the measurements I've made. I'd appreciate it if someone could replicate my circuit. It's here http://rustybolt.info/wordpress/?p=221 (http://rustybolt.info/wordpress/?p=221).
Quote from: ltseung888 on 2012.02.13, 23:55:36
I now understand why many researchers on the Joule Thief Circuit failed to detect "Overunity". They did not examine the csv files carefully. They did not compare the Output and Input Waveforms.
The attached xls file and the comparison waveforms tell the story. The COP =-0.07 but the circuit is very efficient. The many wonders of the Joule Thief can be demonstrated.
COP alone (even if the average powers were used) will not give the full and correct story.
The Divine Wine is far from simple.
Quote from: acmefixer on 2012.03.02, 22:31:25
I understand the horizontal scale, samples, but what is the vertical scale? Is in milliwatts? Megawatts?
I've measured the conventional Joule Thief efficiency somewhere around 40 to 70 percent. That's using the 1 ohm current sense resistor and assuming 3.3 volts across the LED. My Supercharged Joule Thief has greater efficiency, typically 70 percent or more. But I'm not sure about the measurements I've made. I'd appreciate it if someone could replicate my circuit. It's here http://rustybolt.info/wordpress/?p=221 (http://rustybolt.info/wordpress/?p=221).
In the Power Waveform comparisons, the horizontal scale is in E-6 seconds and for comparison purposes, we can just treat them as sample points. The vertical scale is the product of Ch1*Ch2. Ch1 is in volts. Ch2 is also in volts across a 1 ohm resistor. Thus we can treate Ch2 as representing current in amps. Thus the vertical scale is in watts.
*** Your assuming 3.3 volts across the LED is incorrect. If you look at the output results on the oscilloscope for voltage, the peak-to-peak voltage can reach 60 volts. The RMS voltage can exceed 10 Volts. The waveform is pulsed. If you look back at the Input oscilloscope waveforms, you will find that the waveform is also pulsed. Even if you place your probes across the battery, you do not get the expected 1.4V or so from the AA battery. Our results showed that the peak-to-peak voltage is in the order of 2-3V.
Please use an oscilloscope to do the measurement. Display the waveforms and analyze your csv files. You can calculate the COP from the average Output/Input Power. You may find that you have a negative COP with a numerical value >> 1.
You should use EXCEL to examine the many xls files in this thread.
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on 2012.03.01, 23:43:44
Here's what I was talking about (attachment). Will power consumption be reduced, on average, by the specific schematic's components, as drawn? Is there an opinion?
--Lee
Your simple circuit is far from simple. I am not sure that it can lead-out or bring-in electron motion energy as in the FLEET devices. My advice is to do the experiment and use oscilloscopes to display the waveforms and do the csv file analysis.
I am enclosing an early version of the on-line book describing the history of my work. It will be updated in the next few weeks.
We now start on applying the FLEET technology to the LED Fan Toy.
The existing toy uses three AAA batteries and can last 3 hours.
The goal is to use one AAA battery with FLEET and last for > 3 hours.
This is the second part to hunt for "commercial resonance condition".
The research will start today - March 4, 2012 at 5:30 pm.
http://www.overunity.com/12116/overunity-lead-acid-battery-switching-circuit-self-battery-charging/msg314580/#msg314580
The above contains information on building a lead-acid recharger. Much work can be saved.
The LED Fan toy was too difficult to work with using crocodile clips. Bought a cheap electric toy car that could produce sound and spin wheels. The toy used two AA batteries. The goal is to use one and have a longer battery life.
The circuit is shown below. Tuning will be required.
The LED hat uses Lead-out Energy successfully. Will the application to the toy car be the beginning of a toy revolution?
Quote from: ltseung888 on 2012.03.07, 15:38:36
The LED Fan toy was too difficult to work with using crocodile clips. Bought a cheap electric toy car that could produce sound and spin wheels. The toy used two AA batteries. The goal is to use one and have a longer battery life.
The circuit is shown below. Tuning will be required.
The LED hat uses Lead-out Energy successfully. Will the application to the toy car be the beginning of a toy revolution?
I've seen the diagram. It's simple, and straightforward. You're probably correct that tuning will be required. Many types of OU system need tuning.
However, with respect to my posted Replies #70 & #73:
I just finished a schematic of an even simpler circuit having only 6 components in direct visual order. A description:
Power lug on the far left; to wall mains left of that. Right of that is a 1:1 toroid. Right of that is 2 diodes as an opposing polarity half wave rectifier. Right of that two batteries with opposing polarity and being charged. Right of that is a DC-DC power supply/converter. (A full wave bridge with a filter capacitor will serve as a low-cost substitute.) Lastly---to the right of this is the load. (I chose a DC 'Frigidaire' as a typically available appliance.)
Note:The toroid can be wound directly or opposing in turns direction. It can be made of ferrous or non-ferrous material. Single or multi-layer windings. Mobius or some other coil-mounted scheme, as you like. Small primary and step-up secondary, if you like. Special wire material, if you have it.
Batteries can be any rechargable type. In series or parallel. Any voltage you like for the whole system.
Now, importantly, I don't have the money for two oscilloscopes. There's a hardware store that sells the 'Kill'-A-'Watt' meter for around $50.00--$60.00 American. A cheaper way to go, obviously. But how accurate is it? Is it worth the money? How about a voltage divider for current and voltage measurements? People say an analog VOM is more accurate with AC, but if the load is a set of resistors as a power shunt or dummy load, that might work for a digital meter, yes?
This is something I haven't tried yet, and can get very expensive for extensive testing with accurate, expensive instruments that measure power. Not something I can do now.
I'm thinking of mirroring this post on a thread at my Bench forum at OUR.com I can upload a schematic for visual clarity later.
Last statements?
Will this tested system, simple as I say it is---6 components---be proven theoretically, or, does anyone think it can work on a practical level for the average American or worldwide resident?
--Lee
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=1353.msg21756;topicseen#msg21756
It looks like another group is interested in building the lead-acid battery charger.
I shall focus on the AA battery toy car. May need to get parts from Radioshack or order on-line. See if the LED can act as a diode.
More Servers of the Divine Wine?
Quote from: ltseung888 on 2012.03.08, 22:44:30
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=1353.msg21756;topicseen#msg21756
I shall focus on the AA battery toy car. May need to get parts from Radioshack or order on-line. See if the LED can act as a diode.
A light emitting
diode is inherently a diode, merely a low powered one, as thery're commercially sold by Radio Shack. Mind if we see a schematic?
My next schematic will acrually be simple enough for all to understand. 4 components in the system. For what i have in mind, a "Kill - A- Watt" meter should give reasonable results.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on 2012.03.08, 23:38:04
A light emitting diode is inherently a diode, merely a low powered one, as they're commercially sold by Radio Shack. Mind if we see a schematic?
My next schematic will actually be simple enough for all to understand. 4 components in the system. For what I have in mind, a "Kill - A- Watt" meter should give reasonable results. New schematic at bottom of page.
Reedit:Additionally, there's this:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Chris_Brown%27s_KML_Coils
Has the author of this thread thought of "etheric" energy additionally coming from the battery terminals? Does he agree with Brown's assertion(s)?
--Lee
Witnessed an actual "commercial resonance condition" for LED lighting.
An established LED lighting Company showed me their LED lighting improvement with the Joule Thief/FLEET circuit. Their test equipments include a DC power supply that can vary from 0 to over 20 volts, two oscilloscopes and all necessary elecctronic components. They could measure the intensity of light generated by the LEDs.
They lighted up 84 LEDs with just the Joule Thief circuit (improved and tuned) varying the voltage from 1.5 volts to 20 volts. The brightness of the LEDs increased with increasing voltage - reaching and exceeding the commercial standard. They then lighted an additional 84 LEDs with the FLEET circuit.
That already stimulated more investment and research. One oscilloscope CSV file analysis showed the COP (average Output Power over Average Inout Power) greater than 100. With this invention, they could reduce the power supply of their existing products.
Another Server of the Divine Wine?
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on 2012.03.09, 23:23:02
Reedit:
Additionally, there's this:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Chris_Brown%27s_KML_Coils
Has the author of this thread thought of "etheric" energy additionally coming from the battery terminals? Does he agree with Brown's assertion(s)?
--Lee
I do not need to go in the direction of "etheric" energy to explain the Lead-Out or Bring-in Energy Theory. In Divine Revelation 2, we can bring-in gravitational energy from a pulsed pendulum. When we apply horizontal force to a pendulum, the pendulum will move both horizontally and vertically. The Tension of the string can be resolved into two components - one to "oppose" the applied horizontal force (action and reaction are equal and opposite). One (vertical component) will "oppose" gravity. Both these components will do work. The horizontal work = applied horizontal force x horizontal displacement. The vertical work = weight of pendulum bob x vertical displacement.
You can go to overunityresearch.com ltseung888 bench to study the detailed mathematics under Divine Revelation 2 or energy from gravity. For small angles, we can mathematically prove that two parts of applied horizontal energy can lead-out one part of gravitational energy.
The Milkovic two stage pendulum is a practical prototype leading out gravitational energy.
If we can lead-out gravitational energy from an oscillating, pulsed pendulum system, we must be able to lead-out electromagnetic energy from a vibrating or oscillating system. Ms. Forever Yuen did the magnetic pendulum experiment for me in 2006 and was successful. Her experiment was to use a magnet as the pendulum bob and place external magnets to increase/decrease the magnetic attraction force.
An orbiting electron around the nucleus can be regarded as a small magnet (dipole). If we apply an appropriate set up and/or pulsing, we may be able to orientate the dipoles and pulse them with some type of resonance. We can then lead-out or bring-in the electron motion energy.
Chemical energy is using the difference in electron cloud orientation between different compounds. This means re-orientation of the electrons can definitely provide energy. With appropriate set up to "order" the orbiting electrons and "resonating" them, the orbiting electron energy can be led-out or brought-in. In the more general sense – we call this technology as leading-out or bringing-in energy from the surrounding environment.
The exact set up mechanism can be in many different forms. The Joule Thief and FLEET technology is one of these forms.
Thus my explanation is based on "Accepted Newtonian" physics and does not rely on "ether" or "zero point energy".
Please read my ltseung888 threads for detailed explanations.
I do not regard myself as an inventor nor the originator of the Divine Revelations. I did not invent the tuning fork. I did not invent the pendulum. I did not invent the Joule Thief. I just applied the standard physics equations to them and showed that still air energy, gravitational energy and electron motion energy can be led-out or brought-in.
Praise the Almighty.
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on 2012.03.09, 23:23:02
[4-Component_Free_Energy_AC-to-DC_Power_Supply.pdf (7214.77 KB - downloaded 8 times.)
--Lee
Your circuit uses mains and two banks of batteries. You have a toroid. I do not see any pulsing mechanism. The toroid may act as a step-up or step-down transformer. You have to do the actual experiment to check for overunity. Once you have the mains involved, you will have a difficult time convincing others that your device is overunity.
Quote from: ltseung888 on 2012.03.04, 17:31:00
[snip]
Please use an oscilloscope to do the measurement. Display the waveforms and analyze your csv files. You can calculate the COP from the average Output/Input Power. You may find that you have a negative COP with a numerical value >> 1.
You should use EXCEL to examine the many xls files in this thread.
I have a .CSV file. How do I analyze it? Thank you.
Quote from: acmefixer on 2012.03.11, 09:26:39
I have a .CSV file. How do I analyze it? Thank you.
I hope that you have already done the following:
1. Use Ch1 of oscilloscope A to measure the Input Voltage.
2. Use Ch2 of oscilloscope A across a one ohm resistor to measure the Input Current.
3. Use the oscilloscope feature to save the above waveform results as a bmp and a csv file for Input.
4. Use Ch1 of oscilloscope B to measure the Output Voltage.
5. Use Ch2 of oscilloscope B across a one ohm resistor to measure the Output Current.
6. Use the oscilloscope feature to save the above waveform results as a bmp and a csv file for Output. (If you have only one oscilloscope, do the Input first and then do the Output.)
7. Use the attached sample xls file as a template to do the analysis.
8. The template captures 4500 points for both Input and Output. You should do the same. If your csv file contains more, you can still use the same template but use only 4500 points.
9. Copy the three columns (seconds, Ch1 voltage, Ch2 voltage) of the Input csv file into the Input page of the sample xls file. You will notice the change in Input Voltage form etc.
10. Copy the three columns (seconds, Ch1 voltage, Ch2 voltage) of the Output csv file into the Output page of the sample xls file. You will notice the change in Output Voltage form etc.
11. Edit the Summary Page to reflect your results. Examine the COP value in section 5 to see if your prototype is overunity and whether the value is positive or negative. Examine the Power waveform comparison in section 13 to see if your prototype shows standing wave characteristics.
12. The wording in the Summary Page should be easy to understand. Study it carefully and edit to reflect your prototype.
13. (If you have difficulty, post your two csv files. I shall edit the file and do the analysis for you. I shall do the edits in blue color. All can learn from the sample.)
More Servers of the Divine Wine?
Quote from: ltseung888 on 2012.03.10, 11:56:54
Witnessed an actual "commercial resonance condition" for LED lighting.
An established LED lighting Company showed me their LED lighting improvement with the Joule Thief/FLEET circuit. Their test equipments include a DC power supply that can vary from 0 to over 20 volts, two oscilloscopes and all necessary elecctronic components. They could measure the intensity of light generated by the LEDs.
They lighted up 84 LEDs with just the Joule Thief circuit (improved and tuned) varying the voltage from 1.5 volts to 20 volts. The brightness of the LEDs increased with increasing voltage - reaching and exceeding the commercial standard. They then lighted an additional 84 LEDs with the FLEET circuit.
That already stimulated more investment and research. One oscilloscope CSV file analysis showed the COP (average Output Power over Average Inout Power) greater than 100. With this invention, they could reduce the power supply of their existing products.
Another Server of the Divine Wine?
Email extract from the Engineer of the established LED lighting Company:
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Dear Brother Lawrence:
I do not have any problem with it (showing the final result).
God has always shown me kindness................................All Glory to him alone..............................I am only his servant.........................and all wisdom is from him above.
Amen!
The attached file showed the Output and Input Power Comparisons. They have already improved the performance of the prototype and should be on their way to producing an improved LED lighting product. A revolution in lighting industry is beginning.
Winning the many overunity prizes is clearly possible. But such prize values are tiny compared with the Market Potential. I expect both scientific and investment interests.
Many Companies or Individuals are competing to demonstrate their prototypes or research results.
The moment a Company (Such as the South African Company visited by Sterling Allan) puts a product on the Market; all others will no longer shine. Those that can only produce inferior results will be totally ignored.
Thus there is a strong motivation from some such Companies or Individuals to publish their results now. At the same time, they do not want to fully reveal their secrets. I suggest that they only publish their final power comparison results and the COP values. They can then satisfy their ego and have something to show for their hard work.
The attached Power Comparison diagram is from Engineer Robert Roberts. He achieved a COP of over -5,600. That was the highest COP known to me. The negative sign comes from Input Power. That implies a recharging circuit. In other words, the battery supplied some energy to the load - positive power. At the same time, the battery received some energy fed back by the circuit - negative power. In this case, the negative power was more than the positive power.
More Energy was fed back than supplied. The Input was a recharging circuit! Theoretically, no energy was required from the battery. The battery was used to get to the "commercial resonance condition". At this condition, there was considerable energy supplied to the load (>5,600 Input).
The actual power in this case was small. But it clearly demonstrated that energy must be coming from somewhere other than the battery. The lead-out or bring-in energy theory wins.
Salute to Engineer Robert Roberts. His name will be recorded in the History of Overunity Device Developments.
Another Server of the Divine Wine?
Meeting at the Swimming Pool on March 15, 2012
A: "What will happen to your work when you go back to China?"
Tseung: "I shall leave all my equipment and prototypes behind for the teams in USA. When I left Hong Kong 18 months ago, I also left my equipment there. They may want to work with me again. Even if the situation changes, I can repurchase all equipment. It would cost less than US$2,000."
B: "We shall miss you. I shall miss the Chinese Chess Games most."
Tseung: "You can find someone else to beat."
B: "But you are a good loser. You even smile when you lose."
A: "He does not care about winning at Chinese Chess. He just wants some company to pass the spare time."
Tseung: "Life has its ups and downs. It is just like Chess. You may think that you are a piece up and are likely to win. One bad move or a brilliant move by the opponent can change everything. My lead-out or bring-in energy research is similar. It has its ups and downs."
A: "A chess game ends in checkmate. What is your equivalent end game or checkmate?"
Tseung: "When a commercial product is readily available on the Market and when the academics accept its validity."
B: "Are you feeling up or down with the research now?"
Tseung: "I trust in Divine Revelations. The downs do not devastate me anymore. I am just a Server of the Wine. "
Lawrence, Why are you going back to China? Are you moving or just going for a visit?
:) Laurie
Quote from: catlady on 2012.03.15, 21:34:26
Lawrence, Why are you going back to China? Are you moving or just going for a visit?
:) Laurie
All are in the Hands of the Almighty.
I am just a servant and/or a server of the Divine Wine.
http://pesn.com/2012/03/14/9602057_Johan_Open_Sourcing_His_Solid_State_Free_Energy_Charger/
It looks like we have more people working on the car battery charger.
The ones that I believe are promising include:
(1) The Chao Ching Sang Car in China that was demonstrated to drive over 500 Km on one charge in 2008.
(2) The Wang Shen He Car in China that I shall test drive when I go back.
(3) My own prototype using improved FLEET technology.
(4) The LED Company that successfully used the FLEET technology to reduce their use of solar panels and batteries to one-tenth of what they currently used.
(5) This above link - Johan Battery Charger based on the Bob Boyce Electrolyser.
(6) Patrick Kelly as described in Chapter 5 of his excellent e-book.
(7) The Hong Kong Team that demonstrated a battery charger that recharged phone batteries in 2009 from an AA battery. (I believe products are available now).
I am sure that there are others. The chance of one of them demonstrated and proven beyond doubt within the next few months is excellent.
May there be more Severs of the Divine Wine.