This thread wiill be used as a storage for reference material. Please direct your comments to the other threads such as the FLEET DIY kit.
Thank you.
*** Edited on April 21, 2013
The best DSO sample analysis is for Board 108 attached below. Use it as reference for your tests.
The presentation slides are in pdf format.
*** Edited on June 19, 2013
There is concern that the Atten may have a DC Offset giving erroneous results. The much more expensive Tektronics with experts will be used to double check the results later.
Experiments by TK, Ting and Lau indicated possibility of Electromagnetic Noise as a contributing factor.
The following are the Divine Revelation fiiles:
Divine Revelation 1 - Lead-out kinetic energy of air molecules via sound resonance
Divine Revelation 2 - Lead-out gravitation energy using Milkovic 2-stage pendulum and blind Peru Scientist's Force Multiplier
Divine Revelation 3 - Lead-out electron motion energy using FLEET
More on the Milkovic 2-stage Pendulum
Explaing the Divine Revelation 2 More
*** Please read nov 22a.xls and magic.xls for update on Divine Revelation 3.
*** Added the presentation for the Venture Capitalists in Nov 2014.
This is the presentation file to the Canadian Group. They are now Distributors of the DIY kit in Canada.
They shall have Demonstration Centers and on-line stores in addition to real stores.
Those ordering on-line through them in Canada do not need to pay the huge International postage or UPS charges.
BSI Energy Holdings Limited is looking for distributors worldwide.
May the Divine Wine be served worldwide.
The attached draft Competition ideas to go with the Lead-out Energy DIY kit.
This particular file is likely to be modified as BSI Energy Holdings Limited have more feedback from the potential Judges.
Some comments and/or concerns related to the Lead-out Energy DIY kit.
Here is what the Hong Kong Demonstration Center can demonstration.
Obviously, there will be improvements in the coming days.
The details of the oscilloscope-test-ready board using 2n2222 from Ms. Shirley Yung.
This is the model BSI Energy Holdings Limited will use to build the "Atomic Bomb 1" to be sent to Universities.
*** This file will be modified to use DC Coupling. In the attached file, AC coupling was used - the results were wrong as the actual instantaneous voltage (or current) were not displayed. The file is left alsone to show the error. (Jine 19, 2013)
This analysis file was obtained with all components on the breadboard.
The full details are enclosed. It should be relatively easy for the engineer to replicate.
The COP was -52.
*** There were concerns that AC coupling on the oscilloscope was used. Will redo with DC coupling. in Nov 22a.
Lawrence
The explanation of the excel file nov 12.xls is attached.
The full mystery of the joule thief circuit is clear. The pulse switching induced BACK EMF - leading out electron motion energy.
*** There are concerns that the AC coupling used on the oscilloscope do not represent Instantaneous Voltages. DC Coupling is now used.
*** Explanations are embeded in nov 22a.
The attached slide is a result of the discussion with TS LAU and Daniel (old Wah Yan Classmates). It tries to clarify the concept of leading out kinetic energy of air molecules.
The top and the bottom both contain 20 molecules. Each one has the same kinetic energy. Energy is a scalar quantity and has no direction.
However, the momentum is different. The bottom configuration can do useful work. The top cannot. If we have a mechanism to change the top configuration to the bottom, we effectively lead-out the kinetic energy of air molecules.
On the macro level, a water rocket gets colder after firing. The molecular velocity is lower because some kinetic energy is used to propel the rocket.
May the almighty add to our understanding of the molecular picture of lead-out energy. Amen.
Another overunity confirmation with the DC Power Supply instead of the battery.
Magic revealed.
The Shirley oscilloscope-test-ready board was again used. 30 similar boards will be sent to the top universities for verification. All boards will be double and triple checked first before shipping. All production Lead-Out Energy Research Kits can be turned to oscilloscope-test-ready boards. Potentially, thousands can confirm and replicate such results.
The 20 readings were taken at one minute intervals with both Output and Input. Both the Output and Input power decreased with time. Both turned negative at some point.
During the positive values, the Output Power was always greater than the Input Power. Overunity was confirmed again in this range.
Negative Power for both Input and Output are again confirmed.
*** Sample Output and Input CSV files are also attached.
There is logic in God's creation. Amen.
The meeting with Forever Yuen on Dec 2 was fruitful. She has a full time job at a Government Hospital but she is willing to devote some of her spare time managing Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited.
This is the planned discussion file with Physicists and Engineers.
It includes the claims, the theory, the evidence and the plans.
***The discussions at overunity.com are also helpful.
http://www.overunity.com/12686/is-joule-thief-circuit-gets-overunity/msg347163/#msg347163
The conclusive evidence that Average Input Power can turn negative.
Negative Power implies more energy is fedback to source!!!
Another Run on the same configuration to make sure that the Input Power indeed turned negative.
This run contained the situation when the LED was OFF.
Comments on the Forever Lighted Lamp
(1) The Forever Lighted Lamp is essential a battery recharging system plus lighting a number of LEDs. You have two timers for control. One timer is to turn Power on for a few seconds and off for a few minutes. This not only saves power but also keeps the system at the lead-out energy range. The second timer is for swapping of batteries. Battery A alone can maintain the lighting of the LEDs for months and recharge Battery B at the same time. The battery swapping operation can be done every few weeks or every few months. This sounds too good to be true.
(2) Nobody will stare forever at your demonstration. Your claim of Forever must rely on the use of scientific instruments. The layman can easily be fooled by such equipment.
(3) How many LEDs or how many normal light bulbs can be lighted by the Forever Lighted Lamp device? Can it provide 1 KW of electrical power?
(4) If you can indeed demonstrate and sell such a Forever Lighted Device, how would the electricity companies react?
(5) When can I get one and at what price?
The theory is in this thread. The Engineers are doing the production prototypes.
Outcome of the Meetings in Hong Kong
The four groups finished their fruitful meeting in Hong Kong. The groups are: G-LED USA, BSI Hong Kong, Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation and an Investor.
(1) The Investor will work with G-LED USA on introducing their technology to improve the Solar Farms in China immediately. The new technology will boost electricity production to 137% and >200% is likely.
(2) The three Companies all developed some form of Forever Lighted Lamps independently. They will continue to compete along the research and development path. When they have production ready prototypes (within 6 months), another meeting will be arranged.
(3) The Lead-out Energy Research Kits may be given out to Universities as Gifts. They are not useful to those without top of the line digital oscilloscopes. They will confirm the Lead-out-energy technology. However the Forever Lighted Lamps will be much more powerful in convincing the experts and layman.
(4) The entire secret of the Lead-out Energy technology will become public knowledge when the patent application is published by PCT in Oct 2013. Thus the Companies may no longer have the advantage. The suggestion is to get the products out as soon as possible.
(5) The World will benefit from the Divine Wine no matter what happens. Amen.
The Output BMP files for the oscilloscope-test-ready board
Note the increase in frequency. It is a clearly detectable phenomena. The top curve is the voltage. The bottom curve is the current.
From the csv (comma separated values) file analyzed by EXCEL, we can get the instantaneous Power curve.
The increase in frequency provides more power peaks and hence more output energy per unit time. COP greater than 1 occurs at the increased frequency.
The secret to using Lead-out Energy is to stay on the right frequency range. This can be done by the appropriate electrical circuits. With this tuning technique, getting high COP values for any given load is no longer trial and error.
The Shirley Yung winding to produce same FLEET effect.
Apparently, to achieve overunity, we need the following:
(1) LCR to provide oscillating circuit.
(2) transistor to provide pulsing or switching circuit. Select appropriate values to "resonate/match" with (1).
(3) super capacitor as input to allow frequency to rise and hit on the lead-out energy range.
(4) oscilloscope to display and analyze.
(5) timer or manual re-connecting battery to keep the frequency at the lead-out energy range.
Merry Christmas. Blessed to the New Born King and his Divine Wine.
Dear fellow researchers: Just follow the above steps and enjoy your Christmas or study this thread. There is already enough theory and examples to illustrate the above. No Power on Earth can stop you. More data will come from dozens of "volunteers".
The following was extracted from the 40 files analyzed by Ms. Forever Yuen. It showed the same characteristics - numerical COP value greater than 1 with the Capacitor alone and with increased frequency. The prototype was built from components of a Lead-out-Energy Research Kit. Every built by hand is expected to be somewhat different. How tight the winding, how long the connecting wires etc. would affect the final result.
We do not seek accuracy here. We just want to show the trend.
At Minute 2, after the battery was disconnected, the average input power was positive but the average output power was negative. COP=-0.10
At Minute 5, after the battery was disconnected, the average input power was poistive but the average output power was negative. COP=-5.85
At Minute 8, after the battery was disconnected, the average input power was negative and the average output power was negative, COP=3.54
The six files are attached. For those really interested, the 40 files are available for full analysis. Amen.
The Input Power curve from Ms. Forever Yuen. The negative power is clearly seen.
From: "Piotr Kuznicki" <kehyo77@gmail.com>
Date: Dec 13, 2012 10:49 AM
Subject: FLEET
To: <ltseung@hotmal.com>
Hi Lawrence.
I've been following your development of the FLEET device and I'd like to test it.
I can make replication and share my results on the forum, no problem.
Could you send me a schematic with a description as I cannot find it in your posts.
I am electronics technician and I learnt a lot on my own doing many experiments in the search for anomalies.
I am good with micro-controllers such as Arduino, can program them the way I want etc.
I really want to make the world a better place, free of charge that is, I feel that is my mission here ;)
Eagerly awaiting a reply.
Thanks in advance.
Piotr Kuźnicki a.k.a kEhYo77
http://www.youtube.com/feed/UC3v-1RhhS50L5H2_FYFFBqQ/u
*** The above youtube link showed that he has done excellent work on mganets and coils.
@kEhYo77,
I am looking for people to replicate the experiments done on Nov 22. The two files nov 22a.xls and magic.xls are the most significant.
The replication steps include:
(1) Build a standard JT with 1 inch 28 turn toroid.
(2) Put a 2.3V 10F capacitor in parallel with the battery or DC power supply. DC power supply is better as the voltage can be varied.
(3) Check whether the set up can light up the LED with the battery removed. The acceptable time is around 20 minutes or more.
(4) Add the 2 one ohm resistors to change the set up into an oscilloscope test ready board as explained in nov 22a.xls.
(5) Use one or two oscilloscopes to save the Input and Output Waveforms as CSV files for EXCEL analysis.
(6) Repeat Nov 22a.xls with the 4 cases. Case 4 should give you COP > 1 results.
(7) Repeat Magic.xls with the 20 minute run. Compare the Average Input and Output Values. You may get the similar result as in magic.xls or get the Forever Yuen Result with Negative Power appearing on Input and/or Output waveforms. Overunity is implicated in such cases.
(8 ) I am still not sure why - some minor changes such as different connecting wires, different starting voltages etc. gave me big differences in results. I attribute it to "resonance". Some forum members objected to my use of that term.
With your skills, you should be able to go a few more steps:
(1) Use the 555 to build a twin timer. Supply power for a few seconds and cut the power OFF for a few minutes. Tune according to the results obtained in the above steps.
(2) The life of the AA battery will be prolonged by 10 times or more.
(3) Use rechargeable batteries A and B. Battery B can be recharged by Battery A (or the capacitor) while lighting the LED at the same time.
(4) Swap the batteries A and B when appropriate (in the order of weeks).
(5) Play with the 2n3055 and 12V car batteries. You can light up more LEDs, drive motors etc. Refer to Patrick Kelly's book, Chapter 5, if you need more details.
(6) Produce another version of the Forever Lighted Lamp to benefit the World.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.
*** This post is a result of much prayer. The World will benefit much more and faster with good replicators. My poor eye sight and shaky hands and bad experimental skills will not make me a good Wine Server. It is clear that the Almighty has other plans for me - train up more wine servers.
Lawrence Tseung
Director
Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation Limited
Is it time to leave them the New Paradigm???
Another set of results confirming Lead-out Energy.
Note that the numerical value of Average Output Power is much greater than the Average Input Power over the 20 minute run.
Merry Christmas.
These type of results will be repeated. The plan is to have 30 prototypes for Universities all showing similar behavior.
The result on Dec 17 confirmed.
The key point is to look for Negative Output Current. The actual configuration may be changed. But if the Output Current is negative, the overunity result can be shown.
*** A sample Output and Input file is shown in Dec18.xls.
The BMP sample files for the experiments done on Dec 17.
Note the Negative Current values for Output waveforms.
This gives rise to the Negative Power!!!
Have only one working Atten oscilloscope at home. Model ADS1602CA.
Need to do Input and Output separately.
Useful in steady situations. (Such as both DC Power supply and capacitor connected)
Some data for record keeping purposes.
COP = 2
The Load was 2 LEDs in series.
COP changed to -2.3.
More efficient both in actual output power and relative power.
For those with only one oscilloscope (e.g. Atten), the following are the full connection details.
This particular set up is done at my bedroom and can be reproduced with various changes or improvements.
The Key Point to watch out - the Atten Oscilloscope has common ground connection internally for Channel 1 and Channel 2. That feature is extremely useful for capturing instantaneous voltage and current at the same time. However, ignoring that feature in the experimental set up will give wrong results.
God Bless.
Just to be sure, I re-did the oscilloscope analysis with a single DSO.
The Input and Output were done at different times. Thus the comparison should only be used as indication only.
The general waveform shape is confirmed.
The XLS file containes the full analysis.
The configuration if you have two oscilloscopes is attached.
Note that we need to cater for the common ground for both Oscilloscope A and Oscilloscope B. Thus DSO 1 Ch1 -ve, Ch2 -ve and DSO 2 Ch1 -ve and Ch2 -ve need to be at the same point.
The actual Input is not across the battery. It includes the drop across the 1 ohm resistor. We can add that back in with the oscilloscope analysis. In addition, the current measurement for Input (A3 and A4) should be inverted.
With the two scopes, both Input and Output can be captured at the same time (within the finger pushing timeframe ;)).
The oscilloscope analysis for the battery charger circuit.
The COP was around 10. Thus most of the charging energy came from Lead-out Electron Motion Energy.
It looks like the TK experiments with the JT in JT and oscillation mode confirmed that the two modes give different results. The oscillation mode with capacitor appears to be more efficient.
The Super Joule Ringer from Laser Saber appears to get the CFL lighted without batteries at all.
The important thing is to confirm that the Output is indeed greater than Input with the oscilloscope. Once confirmed, more resources will be poured in. The energy crisis of the World is over.
Continue with the Christmas Gift....
A member of the Hong Kong Invention Club, Mr. Derek Lam, came to the BSI Office to learn more about the Christmas Gift.
He did the following:
(1) Checked out sound resonance with the signal generator and the cup. The sound made with the cup on top of the speaker was much louder because of resonance. The Tseung explanation was that at sound resonance, kinetic energy of air molecules was led-out.
(2) Checked out the BSI demo board with LCR resonating with the transistor 2n2222. He could hear the ringing tone.
(3) Built a FLEET prototype in two steps - the basic JT and then added the capacitor. His first prototype lighted the LED for 89 minutes with the battery disconnected. This is the best performance by first time experimenters.
(4) Measured and analyzed the Output vs Input waveforms on a battery charger prototype. The COP was 22.
He would like to learn and participate more. He still has good eyesight and steady hands. Most importantly, he has the inventor mentality.
Another Divine Wine Server???
The Derek Lam circuit diagrams.
These circuits and instruction diagrams are now known as kindergarten exercises. It is a matter of follow instructions and plug in the correct holes properly.
The primary school exercises include reading circuit diagrams and soldering.
The secondary school exercises include oscilloscope analysis.
The University exercises include replacing electronic components.
The Post Graduate exercises include finding your own commercial FLEET conditions.
Do we need any Marketing if all we want is to introduce the Lead-out Energy Technology to the World? No need to have fame or money...
One simple way is to publish the information as I am doing now.
Another way is teach as many as possible on an one-on-one basis. Let the student teach other students.
The cost of the cheap teaching set is less than HKD30 - USD4.3 - the price of an average meal in Hong Kong. Help Seedlings Innovate Foundation can donate the first 100 sets to start the ball rolling.
Encourage some interested parties to retail and improve such sets to benefit the World... They can sell such sets on-line. Just donate 10% profit to charitable causes.
Quote from: ltseung888 on 2013.01.04, 04:01:01
The Derek Lam circuit diagrams.
These circuits and instruction diagrams are now known as kindergarten exercises. It is a matter of follow instructions and plug in the correct holes properly.
The primary school exercises include reading circuit diagrams and soldering.
The secondary school exercises include oscilloscope analysis.
The University exercises include replacing electronic components.
The Post Graduate exercises include finding your own commercial FLEET conditions.
A business person saw the Derek Lam demonstration and asked: "What is its significance? Why do you call it a Christmas Gift to the World? All I see is a LED ON for some minutes!"
The significance is that the continued lighting of the LED after the battery was disconnected is due to
lead-out energy. The lead-out energy is the electron motion energy of the orbiting electrons around the nucleus of the trillions of atoms of the circuit and surrounding. This can be confirmed by the Christmas Gifts. Such Gifts are most useful to Universities and Electronics Companies with top of the line oscilloscopes. Once that is understood, such institutions can develop products based on lead-out energy. There is no need to burn fossil fuel any more.
What is the best seed?
At Wah Yan College, I found the best seed is the simple soldered demo plus the one-page oscilloscope analysis.
God Bless
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Council_(Hong_Kong)
Hong Kong has a Green Council. I gave 3 soldered demo kits. In one move, I might have contacted many organizations.
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Keppean_Scalar_Motor#Latest_Developments
The same concept of resonance energy is presented in the Keppe Motor. Instead of lighting only LEDs, the resonance set up can be used to run motors.
*** The focus is to verify and confirm Overunity in the next few weeks. Sow the seeds.....
May the Almighty guide us to benefit the World.
The long lasting lighted Boards.
Two of them are shown in the following three slides.
From the thread on what is considered OU?
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=1675.msg28865#msg28865
Quote from: ltseung888 on 2013.02.17, 08:31:21
@PhysicsProf,
I like your definition. I shall be sending a triple-tested FLEET board to poynt99 in this Forum and to many others (a total of 100 is planned). Hopefully, you have aleady received one in the mail. You should be able to pick it up at your old address.
The triple tested FLEET boards will show that the Average Output Power is greater than the Average Input Power as measured on a dual Atten Oscilloscope (2 channe) system. Two different models of Atten Oscilloscopes were used. The purpose of sending the FLEET boards out is to have different organizations use different makes of oscilloscopes to confirm the experimental results. They are encouraged to replicate and improve.
The Lead-out Energy suggested in this case is the electron motion energy. As already accepted, electrons orbit around the nucleus. Such electrons have kinetic energy. In addition, a circular motion electron will show magnetic properties (a dipole). There are trillions of electrons associated with any object. In this case, we focus on the electrical circuit and in particular, the toroid with pulsing electrical and magnetic fields. At the right matching of the oscillating LCR and the pulsing transistor circuits, the electrons will be aligned and some of their motion energy can be extracted (lead-out or brought-in).
It is suggested (and to be proven shortly with the FLEET boards) that the energy used to align these electrons can be less than the energy that can be extracted. This is a logical explanation of getting more Average Output Energy than Average Input Energy. Should such a FLEET board be considered as OU now?
Once the mainstream scientific community accepts the above, the floodgate will be open. Many different devices using the electron motion energy will emerge as legitimate. Some are already posted on the Internet.
When you have a chance, please test the oscilloscope-test-ready board already sent to you thoroughly. Hopefully, many of the other 99 organizations will do the same. Then Leading-out electron motion energy will be accepted (from OU to standard scientific understanding).
May the Almighty Guide us to benefit the World.
The 2n3055 oscilloscope test ready board.
No major surprise. COP =-4.48. Average Output Power = 0.48 watts. Needs 2V to start.
Put in another 300 LEDs similar to the 12V strips.
Average Output Power increased to 0.54 watts. COP dropped to -1.87.
*** Plan:
(1) Promote the 2n2222 board as that one is cheap, no danger and already sent to multiple testers.
(2) Build some 2n3055 boards so that we can always show a higher Output Power device - way above the noise level.
(3) Focus on sowing seeds. Let others water, fertilize, weed, harvast and sell products.
(4) Make sure China and Hong Kong Government Officials know that the invention came from Hong Kong. Hong Kong can become the Mecca of Lead-out Energy research.
(5) No need to take unnecessary risks now. The many testers will confirm Average Output Power greater than Average Input Power with the 2n2222 boards.
Stored file for editing later.
File can be mass-emailed as soon as sufficient confirmation is achieved...
(1) Photos of testers in Hong Kong and China.
(2) DSO analysis results of testers.
(3) Additional prototype results. Or successful replication by others.
*** added BSI Board for future use
Physics behind the test boards.
Reference data for Board 80 - for Hong Kong Government
Saving the data for Board 108
Stored data for Board 80 for the Hong Kong Government.
Summary data for Board 80
Digital Oscilloscope UNI-T UTD4104C
4-CH DSO under USD1000
Mr. Zhou getting ready to promote lead-out energy.
The theoretical model with "hidden pulsing source".
EM Noise or electrosmog as the source of lead-out energy?
See reply 1037 of the "Is Joule Thief overunity" thread at overunity.com. Void also produced cross 0 ref line waveforms.
The two presentation files to be used in the Hong Kong Senior Centers.
The ones with most time are the retirees.
They can play with the Zhou Boards. Just treat it as a project to pass time if not successful. If successful.....
God Bless
The Chan and Yuen Wheels are now available in Tai Po for those interested to validate and improve.
The latest presentation file is in:
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=1516.msg24854#msg24854
titled: Presentation on Nov 2014.pdf
God Bless
Open the Christmas Gift
Now is Boxing day. Time to open the Christmas Gifts.
The most important element of the Gift is confirmation of Lead-out or Bring-in Energy Theory. From the theoretical point of view, there are two calculations to consider.
1. When a horizontal push is applied to a pendulum, the tension in the string will increase. The vertical component of the tension in the string will lead-out gravitational energy. The pushed pendulum will have this extra lead-out or bring-in energy. Thus a lead-out or bring-in energy device will not violate the Law of Conservation of Energy.
2. When a Milkovic two stage oscillator lifts the weight W1, gravitational energy is again lead-out or brought-in. The swinging pendulum or unbalanced wheel produces a "jumping" effect – the force exerted on the pendulum side varied with the change in centrifugal force. When this centrifugal force is highest (tangential velocity highest), the clockwise moment will be higher and the Weight W1 is lifted. Gravitational Energy is brought-in. When the centrifugal force is low, the anti-clockwise moment of the Weight W1 returns the lever system to the initial condition. The energy required to maintain the swinging motion or unbalanced wheel rotation can be much less than that used to lift the Weight W1.
Thus gravitational energy can be lead-out or brought-in via oscillations or vibrations. An important element is providing the pulse at the correct time. That is similar to pushing a swing at the right time. The more scientific term is resonance.
Once the lead-out energy theory is thoroughly understood, it can be applied to magnetic, electromagnetic or flux change systems. There is NO violation of the Law of Conservation of Energy.
The most powerful source is likely to be the electron motion or electron cloud energy. Chemical Energy is just a subset of such energy. When we can lead-out such energy, we do not need to pollute the environment.
Many lead-out energy devices are actually built. Most inventors do not use the lead-out energy to explain their inventions. They tried to fight the road block of "violating the Law of Conservation of Energy". They failed to get the support and credit they deserved. The Christmas Gift will help them to remove the road block. Amen.
refer to http://overunity.com/1763/12-times-more-output-than-input-dual-mechanical-oscillation-system/msg428719/#msg428719 for details.
Presentation file used on Jan 11, 2015.
Added presentation file used on Feb 8, 2015.
http://www.overunity.com/1763/12-times-more-output-than-input-dual-mechanical-oscillation-system/msg443678/#msg443678
The Experiment to confirm lead-out energy - Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier.