Grumpy and I have been tossing around ideas about TK's use of 3 to 5 meters of coaxial cable in some of his devices. We have considered the following:
1) A pulse shaping device
2) A transmission line delay element
3) a filter (tuned stub)
4) a capacitor.
Any ideas?
A bit far fetched but...
Stefan Hartman has been putting coax in an oven with a high voltage
on it and turning it into an electret.
Is there a picture showing the coax?
Quote from: poynt99 on 2012.09.03, 13:20:43
Is there a picture showing the coax?
Not that I can find.
A third of the way down this page, under a heading called
"Conditioning the cable" is an explanation of the method:
http://www.nuenergy.org/alt/radiant_energy_diatribe.htm
Paul-R
Thanks Paul.
I am interested also in seeing a picture of TK's setup showing the coax.
Not sure about a picture but Grumpy has the information about it being used by TK.
I see.
May I suggest that the evidence be shown then? Why go down that path before knowing for certain?
Quote from: poynt99 on 2012.09.03, 14:15:27
I see.
May I suggest that the evidence be shown then? Why go down that path before knowing for certain?
I will defer to Grumpy to post the info he has, since he brought it to my attention. He agreed that this would be a good thread to start.
That seems to be the gentlemanly thing to do.
Anyone who could ascertain this with a screenshot would be helpful.
Thanks in advance.
a.king21 on OU.com was one of the men that paid for the clear box unit demonstration. He stated three very interesting things a week or so ago on OU:
1. TK was frantic to find 5 meters of 2mm to 5mm coax as this is absolutely required for the device to work.
http://www.overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg333265/post/quote/333265/
http://www.overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg333674/post/quote/333674/
2. TK delayed the demonstration until a storm has subsided, stating that the rain would cause the device to interrupt his neighbors electricity.
3. Sometime the devices take an entire day before they start working
http://www.overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg333827/post/quote/333827/
TK said it was a different principle than radiant energy:
http://www.overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg333435/post/quote/333435/
So, I've been thinking about these claims and comparing them with other facts and I came up with the idea that you may be able to sue the coax itself as a generator in an unusual way. The idea is that a traveling wave is created in a coax when first connected or pulsed and this induces a change in the opposite conductor. This is why coaxial transformers work. What if we connect the secondary a little differently:
1. Pulse the primary outer conductor like a regular coil. Start in low kHz range.
2. Connect one end of the center to the load and then to ground, the other end of the center is open.
There are only two early TK videos where the elements of the device are shown:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zNvMV7Jx6w
It has been confirmed by someone in Eastern Europe that the white module is a CDI for an oil burner.
The schematic for connection was posted on OU
I call this the "CDI Video".
and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4X5zy0piSg
This is referred to as the 2004 Video
In the 2004 video at 7:21, we see a single conductor heavy gauge white wire being attached to a stiff orange or brown? wire.
Is this the coax cable? At 7:24 do we see him peeling back the shield? Or is this the orange wire that is part of the main coil? Would 3 to 5 meters of coax fill the main coil form?
I'm a bit suspicious of the cheap CenTech (Model DCM266L?) clamp meter being used in the video. It has a data hold button that can be held in to show zero current. Also it is not capable of DC measurement through the clamp, yet at one point it is moved to a battery connection.
Also suspect are the wires on the bed with the black object covering them.
Is the inverter device shown in the video also a small UPS with built in battery?
Sorry if off topic.
Ok back to the mystery coax.
Quote from: Grumpy on 2012.09.03, 14:44:24
2. TK delayed the demonstration until a storm has subsided, stating that the rain would cause the device to interrupt his neighbors electricity.
3. Sometime the devices take an entire day before they start working
http://www.overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg333827/post/quote/333827/
Maybe he was afraid if the mains black out in the rain, he will have hard time to explain himself, why the device stopped working also. :D ;D Who knows...
Anyway, I'm really surprised how brave he is,making these demonstration for money just like that,because at this part of the world, if some shady business man will smell something about the value of these alleged devices, they will take it, no matter what. I just thinking loud, if he have the secret to make these devices out of the junk, what seems like nobody else can, isn't he afraid one day somebody willl take one? At this security level, what they have, it just matter of time. Don't get me wrong, I'm not rooting for that, just one more thing to think about. Maybe he doesn't care if one got stolen, because he knew they are worthless, without his magic. :D who knows....
I don't think that the two early devices used the coax method, but rather a similar one where the inner coil is pulsed and the outer coil is the collector.
Similar to the analogous method of electrostatic induction, repeated thousands of times a second:
http://www.physicsclassroom.com/mmedia/estatics/isop.cfm
TK dismantles all devices after the demonstrations because he is afraid it will be stolen. He has stated that the operating principle is so simple that you would laugh.
(Taking an entire day to start working reminds me of the Joe Cell.)
Quote from: Grumpy on 2012.09.03, 19:02:39
I don't think that the two early devices used the coax method, but rather a similar one where the inner coil is pulsed and the outer coil is the collector.
Similar to the analogous method of electrostatic induction, repeated thousands of times a second:
http://www.physicsclassroom.com/mmedia/estatics/isop.cfm
TK dismantles all devices after the demonstrations because he is afraid it will be stolen. He has stated that the operating principle is so simple that you would laugh.
(Taking an entire day to start working reminds me of the Joe Cell.)
Charge induction sounds reasonable, we need to explore this further.
Except for the need of a ground, it does not seem to match up with the actual physical construction, however we can speculate further on this.
Here is a good explanation of using coax as a filter:
http://www.mf2fm.com/blog/index.php?entry=entry080531-082334
Grumpy said:
QuoteSo, I've been thinking about these claims and comparing them with other facts and I came up with the idea that you may be able to sue the coax itself as a generator in an unusual way. The idea is that a traveling wave is created in a coax when first connected or pulsed and this induces a change in the opposite conductor. This is why coaxial transformers work. What if we connect the secondary a little differently:
1. Pulse the primary outer conductor like a regular coil. Start in low kHz range.
2. Connect one end of the center to the load and then to ground, the other end of the center is open.
G is this what you have in mind?
Yes in regards to the schematic. That is a good start.
I'm not sure that TK used gaps as switches other than at the collector to shed off the excess voltage. (this is the general conclusion regarding the gap based on the actual witnessing of the device by "a.king21" and the two old videos. TK may have run a flyback using whatever output frequency it produced.
TK has mentioned two frequencies other than "50 Hz" and those a 8kHz and 16kHz. This indicated to me that he may use a PWM motor driver to drive a flyback for his HV.
TK also has a much newer video using what looks like a large oil burner ignition transformer.
The way I see it, if I am wrong, I just prove that electrostatic induction exists. If right, I'll find electrostatic induction on steroids.
We already know that coaxial transformers work, so we know the primary and secondary of the coax will couple.
The question is: Will the travelling wave produced by the pulse induce an increased flow of current in the secondary (collector)?
Related observation: Pulsed HV experiments along these lines, as studied extensively by Elihu Thomson, Nikola Tesla, and many others active at that time, was always dramatically increased by a better ground connection.
Quote from: ION on 2012.09.03, 23:02:27
Grumpy said:
G is this what you have in mind?
A wave lab inside a coaxial cable:
http://solar.fc.ul.pt/lafspapers/coaxial.pdf
attached is the CDI schematic posted on OU after it was cnfirmed that TK used a CDI in the "CDI Video" (link above)
Attached is a paper on coaxial pulse transformers.
The authors found that the leakage inductance of the inner conductor is quite large. I believe this property makes a coaxial cable more suitable than a single wire.
Please take note that coaxial transformers do NOT invert polarity.
Grumpy:
QuoteRelated observation: Pulsed HV experiments along these lines, as studied extensively by Elihu Thomson, Nikola Tesla, and many others active at that time, was always dramatically increased by a better ground connection.
@all: Do we have any evidence that Tesla observed "radiant" aka "free" energy himself?
Who said it was "free"?
Quote
Related observation: Pulsed HV experiments along these lines, as studied extensively by Elihu Thomson, Nikola Tesla, and many others active at that time, was always dramatically increased by a better ground connection.
The related observation was referenced by Gerry Vassolitos and can be found in Peter Linndemann's Book: The Free Energy Secrets of Cold Electricity, page 19.
(I was able to find both of the two articles referenced below.)
QuoteIn these several new observations, the phenomenon was violating electrostatic charge
principles experimentally established by Faraday. Projected electrostatic charges
normally spread out over the surface of a metallic shield; they do no penetrate metal.
This effect had certain very non-electrical characteristics. Tesla was truly mystified by this strange new phenomenon, and searched the literature for references to its characteristics. No such reference was found, except in the surreptitious observations of two experimenters.
In one case, Joseph Henry observed the magnetization of steel needles by a heavy spark discharge. The extraordinary feature of this observation (1842) lay in the fact that the Leyden jar, whose spark
apparently produced the magnetizations, stood on the upper floor of an otherwise electrically
impervious building. Brick walls, thick oak doors, heavy stone and iron flooring, tin ceilings. Moreover, the steel needles were housed in a vault in the cellar. How did the spark affect such a change through such a natural barrier? Dr. Henry believed that the spark had released special "light-like rays", and these were the penetrating agencies responsible for the magnetizations.
A second such account (1872) occurred in a high school building in Philadelphia. Elihu Thomson, a physics instructor, sought to make the sparks of a large Ruhmkorrf Spark Coil more visible for his next lecture. Attaching one pole of the coil to a cold water pipe, and reactivating the coil, Thomson was
thrilled to find that the nature of the spark had changed from blue to white. Wishing to amplify this effect, Thomson attached the other pole to a large metal tabletop. Again reactivating the coil produced a shrieking silver-white spark, entirely visible to any whom sat in the last row. Wishing to show this to a colleague, Edwin Houston, Thomson made for the door and was abruptly stopped. Touching the brass knob on the otherwise insulated oak door, Thomson received an unexpected
sizzling shock. Turning off the Ruhmkorrf Coil, Thomson found it possible to stop the effect. Calling for Edwin, he summarized what had occurred. Then turning the unit back on again, the stinging charge effects returned. The two gentlemen ran throughout the huge stone, oak, and iron building with insulated metal objects now. Each touch of a penknife or screwdriver to anything metallic, however distant from the coil or insulted from the floor, produced long and continuous white sparks. The account was written up as a short article in Scientific American later in the same year.
I added the charge dissipating gap to the secondary and reversed the primary/secondary:
EDIT:
I already kinda know this works since I had this charge effect on my power supplies when using dual gaps. I didn't know anything about it then.
Well this may not be of any use to you but as an ex TV repair man i thought i would mention.
A shadow mask tube can be magnetized by the earths magnetic field, hence the fitted degauss coil which is driven by mains supply via a thermal resistance so on power up a quick dose of ac mag field is pushed around the outside of the CRT.
Now occasionally these degauss posistors would crumble and stop functioning, we would get called out to fix them to get the tube purity back again, now in nearly every case i have seen, the most likely time a tube will get magnetized with a non working degausser is when the tube has been charged with HT and then moved to interact with the earths mag field, from what i have seen the shadow mask is much less likely to get magnetized if the HT is removed before moving the CRT, i have seen this many times and infact sometimes the shadow mask get so strongly magnetized by the earths mag field when ht is present that we also have to use a degauss wand to first manually degauss.
based on the high voltage in TK's designs, I don't think he is using a very strong magnetic field or electric field bias. I all visible designs, he runs the wire to ground through the coil.
I should have some time this weekend to try this with a 10kv supply and spark gaps, and maybe 4kv with an avalanche stack.
My 10kv setup is same as above but with a full bridge. I can also use a delay line for the pulse width.
TK is using a one conductor wire for the ground connection. At least that's what the videos show and what his patent illustrates. So it's not a coax, which has two conductors.
Well, after a long time thinking about it I'm sure TK device is TPU without closed path or rather with path ended to ground. Still I have to build a working model to prove my concept, then I will tell more... ;)
Quote from: EMdevices on 2012.09.07, 17:31:10
TK is using a one conductor wire for the ground connection. At least that's what the videos show and what his patent illustrates. So it's not a coax, which has two conductors.
TK said he had to have coax for it to work, yet you can't find it in the clear box video (this is the latest video).
Even if TK is a fraud, I think the coax will work. I only have 10 feet of suitable coax, scrounging my boxes for a longer piece.
TK may have used coax for the braided outer shield, which supposedly has superior HF groundiing than ordinary stranded wire.
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/archive/index.php/t-96961.html
Quote from: Grumpy on 2012.09.03, 14:44:24
2. TK delayed the demonstration until a storm has subsided, stating that the rain would cause the device to interrupt his neighbors electricity.
Trees fall down in storms and break power lines.
My opinion is that the coax was necessary because of the high static in his device. It is necessary as a shielding device.
I repeatedly stated to him that his device uses high voltage, he said no, it uses high frequency.
So my question is, "Does high frequency switching produce excessive static?" HF must be in the 10 to 100 mhz range I guess.
The aquarium 2 certainly has static shielding in the device.
The coaxial grenade coil powers the output. In other words the co-ax grenade coil delivers the electricity which then goes through the 2 kw heater
and into the earh ground. It is essentally a Tesla one-wire system.
Quote from: verpies on 2023.10.21, 21:25:15
Trees fall down in storms and break power lines.
Higher water particulate in the air will cause reflection, scattering, and diffraction of radio waves. If a device worked on the fundamentals of electromagnetism, then there is cause for concern. All three inventors, Figuera, Kapanadze, and Barbosa & Leal appear to utilize the same basic fundamentals.
Clemente Figuera used a Ruhmkorff coil as noted in his patent. Coincidently, a few years earlier Marconi used a Rhumkorff coil as a Radio Wave transmitter in his early experiments. You certainly wouldn't use a Ruhmkorff coil if the fundamentals of your device was traditional induction. The argument can be made that Clemente used Radio Waves as a fundamental of his device and notes in newspaper reports that the operation of the device is a consequence of electromagnetism and not just magnetism. Later after his death Buforn, in his patents, speaks of cosmic energy (Radio Waves) and hints at Tesla's wireless transmission of power.
In the few Kapanadze videos I viewed I see there is some form of a Faraday cage used. Very obvious in the larger Turkish unit and in his first video. In Kapanadze's first video, there is a circular tin can next to his coil. That is his Faraday cage and the device in there must be transmitting radio waves. Everything outside that can is worthless eye candy. Notice in the preceding Green Box video that the metal can, (or what was inside the can) is hidden in the green box, but he is using the same eye candy coil to distract from his first video. There is only one
very small segment in that video that is worth anything. There is a point he (or someone, can't remember) is standing near the unit with a Clamp On amp meter, and he (Tariel) makes the most interesting comment regarding what is going on with the meter. He states (paraphrasing)
The generated field affects the meter he was referring to what was going on with the amp meter that wasn't clamped to anything. It appears currents started circulating in the clamp-on meter (as noted in the video by a comment), and the meter was reacting with a reading. The only thing that can do that from a distance is an electromagnetic wave and not simple induction.
With Barbosa & Leal, there is also evidence that they are using some form of Radio Wave. In one video I saw Leal goes as far as to put on a rubber glove to switch a motor on. This is the type of glove a lineman would wear, so the question is
what was he worried about? Maybe it was for show but their patents speak of the fundamentals of some form of Radio Wave device.
Also in their device, the ground is looped around a closed coil, as verified by an individual on another forum who took apart a non-functioning device many years ago. Yet, in the videos and patent they speak of a current on the ground wire (Kapanadze also), the only way you can produce a current on a single wire open circuit ground is to use some type of antenna setup. Barbosa & Leal device also uses a metal box that houses their device that is most likely acting as a Faraday cage, and the heavy aluminum section inside filled with epoxy may be the top capacitance of their antenna.
All three devices develop the total energy output in the generator, and Clemente also claimed
total energy is developed in the device and ready for usage, like Barbosa & Leal. I don't recall seeing a video of Kapanadze metering the ground with no load connected. But I am sure he also always has current to ground. In one B&L video, I recall seeing a device delivering an initial 100 amps at the closed loop before a 9 amp load is connected. After connecting a 9 amp load, the current on their closed-loop drops to 91 amps, and the current on their load is 9 amps. So it appears they can keep adding loads until all 100 amps are utilized. I understand that may be similar to a typical generator, but these devices are always doing work as noted by constant amperage whereas a typical generator can run but sit unloaded at zero amps.
Not looking to hi-jack the thread; my apologies if I did. I came across the initial weather comment someone made while searching. I found that comment to be completely inline with what I have been researching in regard to radio wave propagation.
Quote from: Jose Antonio on 2023.10.25, 02:21:48
Not looking to hi-jack the thread; my apologies if I did. I came across the initial weather comment someone made while searching. I found that comment to be completely inline with what I have been researching in regard to radio wave propagation.
Thanks Jose, that is really quite interesting.
I, too, have come to the conclusion that these devices are based on transmitting and receiving radio frequency waves at close proximity. I've done a lot of research into Don Smith and his devices and they seem to be operating on the same principle. Don used to say that he 'disturbed the ambient'.
Radio wave intensity drops off according to the inverse square law. If the distance between transmitter and receiver is very small, then in theory the power level at the receiver should be very high.
(https://i.ibb.co/KGPNdMN/Inverse-square-law-chart.png) (https://ibb.co/9vDw6Fw)
Radio transmitters broadcast a signal a great distance using a high powered transmitter, and receivers then amplify it using either a powered amplifier or using a regenerative receiver.
QuoteFor a broadcast of 6 watts, the transmission range will be 3 miles. At 15 watts, the range increases to 5 miles, at 40 watts to 10 miles and at 100 watts to 15 miles. The general rule of thumb is it will take four times the power to double the transmission distance.
From: http://www.fmuser.org/news/fm-transmitter/How-far-can-the-FM-transmitter-transmit-How-to-calculate-it/
If you were broadcasting a 10W signal at 1MHz to a distance of 2cm the power at the receiver is calculated to be 14,230,000W.
(https://i.ibb.co/2NT4GHH/Friis-Transmission-Equation-Calculator.png) (https://ibb.co/vYSn0RR)
Quote from: lfarrand on 2023.10.25, 04:47:54
If you were broadcasting a 10W signal at 1MHz to a distance of 2cm the power at the receiver is calculated to be 14,230,000W.
(https://i.ibb.co/2NT4GHH/Friis-Transmission-Equation-Calculator.png) (https://ibb.co/vYSn0RR)
That calculator is mistaken because it assumes radiative far field at that small distance, while it should be basing its calculation on being in the reactive near field, which does back-propagate.
The radiative Fresnel field is in between them.
(https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4525.0;attach=49508)
Can anyone pick any neon sign transformer and show the house input and output ... no need to buy one, just download datasheet ;D
Also, if someone can explain me in very simple terms how much power use a radio station and how many radio receivers can be connected?
QuoteCan anyone pick any neon sign transformer and show the house input and output ... no need to buy one, just download datasheet ;D
Why do you want us to do that?
Or do you hint on showing that a neon sign transformer is overunity on its own? If so, then Google is your friend: http://www.overunity.com/9322/are-neon-sign-transformers-overunity/msg245807/#msg245807
QuoteAlso, if someone can explain me in very simple terms how much power use a radio station and how many radio receivers can be connected?
Again, Google is your friend: https://www.quora.com/How-many-FM-receivers-can-be-connected-to-a-single-FM-transmitter
Regards Itsu
Quote from: Classic on 2023.10.25, 09:40:05
Also, if someone can explain me in very simple terms how much power use a radio station and how many radio receivers can be connected?
If the receivers are near in the reactive field of the transmitter then a limited number, because such receivers present a load to the transmitter. ...just like a secondary winding of an ordinary transformer presents a load to the primary.
If the receivers are in the radiative far field, then the answer is: as many as are in range to receive the signal. Furthermore, the receivers in the far field do not present a load to the transmitter.
(https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4525.0;attach=49508)
That's why you never get a working device as Kapagen, don smith and others ... stick with mainstream science ;D
Thanks for your insight Verpies and Itsu. The Fresnel region seems like an area of intrigue worth further investigation - "
potential for unanticipated (or adverse) conditions".
QuoteRadiative near field (Fresnel region), or farthest part of the near field
The radiative near field (sometimes called the Fresnel region) does not contain reactive field components from the source antenna, since it is far enough from the antenna that back-coupling of the fields becomes out of phase with the antenna signal, and thus cannot efficiently return inductive or capacitive energy from antenna currents or charges. The energy in the radiative near field is thus all radiant energy, although its mixture of magnetic and electric components are still different from the far field. Further out into the radiative near field (one half wavelength to 1 wavelength from the source), the E and H field relationship is more predictable, but the E to H relationship is still complex. However, since the radiative near field is still part of the near field, there is potential for unanticipated (or adverse) conditions.
For example, metal objects such as steel beams can act as antennas by inductively receiving and then "re-radiating" some of the energy in the radiative near field, forming a new radiating surface to consider. Depending on antenna characteristics and frequencies, such coupling may be far more efficient than simple antenna reception in the yet-more-distant far field, so far more power may be transferred to the secondary "antenna" in this region than would be the case with a more distant antenna. When a secondary radiating antenna surface is thus activated, it then creates its own near-field regions, but the same conditions apply to them.
Quote from: Classic on 2023.10.25, 12:31:30
... stick with mainstream science ;D
Do you suggest discarding the body of knowledge acquired by science to date ?
Quote from: Classic on 2023.10.25, 12:31:30
That's why you never get a working device as Kapagen, don smith and others ... stick with mainstream science ;D
Sir,
Where are YOUR working devices of Kapagen, Don Smith and others ? You are rather unfriendly... why?
Quote from: verpies on 2023.10.25, 13:06:40
Do you suggest discarding the body of knowledge acquired by science to date ?
Not everything, some parts of it must be rewrite for sure.
Quote from: gyula on 2023.10.25, 16:55:24
Sir,
Where are YOUR working devices of Kapagen, Don Smith and others ? You are rather unfriendly... why?
I am not an inventor, but i have built this https://youtu.be/6pjemFMRZQ4?si=-vkhreGBa-a5muJl and is working fine, currently I am looking for a different power source as I don't like solar+batteries or wind+batteries ... they just go with gov lines and i don't think they are beneficial for people.
Any electric pile like Bagdad Battery, Radiant Energy as Tesla did or https://youtu.be/bRaVVuJ-zhI?si=yP9vTqa2pq9MOQJm will be just fine.
Also I am working to scale up the system to 5-6 KW and dump all power in a heater coupled with an open system heating with radiators for home.
And by the way, reactive power can do work it is not useless as many speak about.
Also, I don't care what others say about ou/fe when I am using a very tiny input and collect few hundreds watts. People are looking for unlimited power when they are unable to get anything at all, they want to race in world competition with even being able to stand on their feet yet and playing on the floor with very expensive instruments.
Classic
Since you made 100 % turnaround about sharing your work ( refusing to share)
How do you expect to help ?
Classic Quote
Few watts in makes 100's of watts out ?
End quote
And you point to another's YouTube as evidence?
here you have many members sharing their work ?
And all you offer up are insults and ?
You carry a big attitude and nothing of your own to support it
Please Change that and share your work ( as you scrutinize all others work here ,
Please share YOUR few watts in hundreds out .
and how you measure it or qualify the claim ( once again please read forum guidelines and power and creed)
So just out of interest why do you think TK or was it some one else who
used coax wrapped around the grenade Point is I can think of another reason
but you might think it's stupid.
Sil
Quote from: verpies on 2023.10.25, 13:06:40
Do you suggest discarding the body of knowledge acquired by science to date ?
Verpies: If you are looking for free energy, the body of knowledge presented by current science is lacking or non existent in that respect.
It's not a matter of discarding, what does not exist. Or worshiping those that have tried to show and tell how it can be done.
It's a matter of truth, which does not exist in current science concerning OPEN SYSTEMS.
Big bang theory, and all, that you so adore. As they want you to pay, $300 per month to THEM, for your electricity. For the rest of your life.
No free energy tests or experiments will be allowed by them, who are still in control, and will kill those that show and tell otherwise.
That is why you will no longer see any real overunity, or free energy self runners, any more. Not even on youtube, which they also control. Nor on the news, nor in schools, nor on the internet.
Nor anywhere. Nice huh?
They would only do that, IF there was something to hide. And of course, there is. Or you would not even be here...nor would I.
NickZ
Quote from: AlienGrey on 2023.11.03, 00:19:17
So just out of interest why do you think TK or was it some one else who
used coax wrapped around the grenade Point is I can think of another reason
but you might think it's stupid.
Sil
Dally and Kapanadze were probably the first ones to use the coax cable. Later devices did not need to use it though.
So it probably is not absolutely needed, at all. Nor has Itsu found any use for it, on his tests.
NickZ
Quote from: NickZ on 2023.11.03, 13:39:36
Dally and Kapanadze were probably the first ones to use the coax cable. Later devices did not need to use it though.
So it probably is not absolutely needed, at all. Nor has Itsu found any use for it, on his tests.
NickZ
Good job we some think out side the box, When ET lands or goes over head every thing mechanical grinds to a halt, what do you think causes that do you think it might be a briproduct of ET 's space travel machine.
Just a thought,
UFOs have been known to be able to affect nuclear missles from being able to take off. They have also been known to say that they will not allow thermonuclear war to happen, as well.
NickZ
Quote from: NickZ on 2023.11.03, 13:13:50
Big bang theory, and all, that you so adore.
Don't put words in my mouth.
I am not a proponent of the Big Bang theory nor Aether theory.
Oh, was it adhor, instead. Sorry.
Can't have your pudding, if you don't eat your meat...
Lightten up, KW says....
NickZ
Quote from: AlienGrey on 2023.11.03, 16:12:55
Good job we some think out side the box, When ET lands or goes over head every thing mechanical grinds to a halt, what do you think causes that do you think it might be a briproduct of ET 's space travel machine.
Just a thought,
That's a speculation, actually we don't have any proof for this ... at least not official. But a speculation can be made upon a speculation on technology used for propulsion for unproven ET space travel machine.
oops
oops!
And what all this have to do with the TK's coaxial cable ? ???
Quote from: Classic on 2023.11.04, 11:49:46
And what all this have to do with the TK's coaxial cable ? ???
Yes that's the question isn't it, what can escape from a coax cable and what can not ?
No freebee here !
Can we consider a coax cable as being an asymmetric capacitor ? ???
Basically any two electric conductive materials with an insulator in between is an capacitor or can act as a capacitor
Quote from: Classic on 2023.11.04, 13:10:18
Can we consider a coax cable as being an asymmetric capacitor ? ???
Basically any two electric conductive materials with an insulator in between is an capacitor or can act as a capacitor
Is it, so what happend to th L ? in LC = 50 ohm in this case, so it's length would have some thing to do with F as well.
I did all this stuff when fiber optics didn't exist on this planet, but it's all still relavent, and used
here in your project, the science teacher used inducters and low current bulbs to test for RF and test with moving
coil meters what current was drawn. Now you want to copy and past and hope it works >:-) >:-)
Quote from: NickZ on 2023.11.03, 20:51:25
UFOs have been known to be able to affect nuclear missles from being able to take off. They have also been known to say that they will not allow thermonuclear war to happen, as well.
NickZ
Some of the new doc's call the beams of light solid light, where the beam length
can be changed or bent of at an angel of 90deg, but what if it's not done with light but a different beam that emits light in it's use?
Sil
AG:
As far as I know, light can not be bent. As some think...
NickZ
There is no day light cumming from the sun, yet it's bent all around the earth
where the suns radiation hit's the atmosphere. However that's a different subject.
Or is it.
Quote from: ion on 2012.09.03, 12:07:52
Grumpy and I have been tossing around ideas about TK's use of 3 to 5 meters of coaxial cable in some of his devices. We have considered the following:
1) A pulse shaping device
2) A transmission line delay element (Depends on the frequency)
3) a filter (tuned stub)
4) a capacitor. (not just a capacitor you forget about L inductance)
Any ideas?
5) magnetic radiation effect, ( why you always ignore this one ?)
Quote from: NickZ on 2023.11.06, 22:24:10
AG:
As far as I know, light can not be bent. As some think...
NickZ
Actually light ca be bent by magnetic field or better say by magnetic pressure. Think of nature of light. If light is electric as everything is electric, magnetic pressure can influence it. We don't create energy, we just convert it from one form to another form in solar cell.
Quote from: AlienGrey on 2023.11.07, 08:25:15
5) magnetic radiation effect, ( why you always ignore this one ?)
Yep, that's right. Where electricity is always magnetic is, they are aways togheter.
I think it's a capacitor. Keep it simple.
Quote from: Classic on 2023.11.07, 10:23:30
Actually light ca be bent by magnetic field or better say by magnetic pressure. Think of nature of light. If light is electric as everything is electric, magnetic pressure can influence it. We don't create energy, we just convert it from one form to another form in solar cell.
It didn't bend that way for me, but it does with gravity (what ever that is).
Forest coax an C statment is misleading, sujest you buy a compass and just put a battery by it and
see what happens. C.C ;D explain that one !
https://overunity.com/12736/kapanadze-cousin-dally-free-energy/1665/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BnCUBKgnnc&t=1608s
My approach is different, use and build, than let all those smart guys to explain ... and I really enjoy ;D
Quote from: Classic on 2023.11.07, 10:23:30
Actually light ca be bent by magnetic field...
No.
Cathode rays can be bent though:
Quote from: ion on 2012.09.03, 12:07:52
Grumpy and I have been tossing around ideas about TK's use of 3 to 5 meters of coaxial cable in some of his devices. We have considered the following:
1) A pulse shaping device
2) A transmission line delay element
3) a filter (tuned stub)
4) a capacitor.
Any ideas?
Stop playing around because It's none of them, try another idea ! try the right hand rule.
Sil
Quote from: verpies on 2023.11.08, 12:25:00
No.
Cathode rays can be bent though:
No but you can bend what produces light. Thus giving the illusion of solid light!
Sil
Classic
QuoteCan we consider a coax cable as being an asymmetric capacitor ? ???
Basically any two electric conductive materials with an insulator in between is an capacitor or can act as a capacitor
Indeed, I often use coax cable for HV capacitors. Why buy hard to find expensive HV caps when coax is a ready made, cut to length, capacitor in itself?. In fact I found most coax can handle over 30kV no problem with some into 100kV. Most coax is made with PTFE which is a good insulator/dielectric.
When looking at inventions we should try to think like an inventor. Inventors are makers and we use whatever we have on hand that works.
AC
Quote from: Allcanadian on 2023.12.16, 18:09:55
Classic
Why buy hard to find expensive HV caps when coax is a ready made, cut to length, capacitor in itself?.
Rise/fall time.
Charging current decreases monotonically and asymptotically down to zero without propagation artifacts (reflections).
verpies
QuoteRise/fall time.
Charging current decreases monotonically and asymptotically down to zero without propagation artifacts (reflections).
Fair enough but there are two possibilities.
1)Coax is a poor capacitor because of slow rise/fall time and reflections.
2)Coax is a good circuit element to impede current flow, slow rise/fall times and promote reflections/oscillations.
AC
Since this topic was digged up, there is another use of coax cable.
When you have it as coil and one end shorted out, here goes cw+ccw bifilar coil concept.
If my old memory is correct, when Wesley was looking at TK device with coax cable on it, the gas heater ignition circuit was sparking into coax cable on the device.
And what do you get of this type of arrangement on coils around coax cable? At that point only experiments can provide answer.
It doesn't matter if you send energy down a shorted coax its going to deflect a compass needle so what will a square wave do in relation to frequency ?
The other thing about coax cable is it makes a good time machine (a delay) for waves at high frequency whitch could be of use if you know what your doing with phase delays. So others have pointed out.
Sil
Removed post due to complaint issues.
sorry guy's
Sil
I have not experienced that effect, other than in videos, so not sure what to say about that.
However, it's known that ETs and their ships and saucers can stop nuclear bombs and missiles from firing. And have been seen doing so.
NickZ
Well it seams that Chet has blocked several threads.
Not sure what is going on now, but it would be good to give a reason for doing so.
Discussions of different opinions are not "fights". Especially when they are on topic subject.
If only discussions of working devices to replicate are allowed, no one would be posting anything.
NickZ