I am now preparing the "Test boards" for the various forums.
There will be a small, standalone demo board (battery and battery holder not included) and an oscilloscope-test -ready board.
The demo board is meant to stimulate interest. Connect the battery for 10 seconds and the LED will be ON for over 20 minutes. The first 2 minutes will shine with full brightness. Thus connect for 10 seconds and then disconnect for 2 minutes and repeat. The LED will shine with constant brightness. Will such a set up save electricity?
If you want the capacitor to fully discharge first, just connect the red and white wires together for 30 seconds. The LED will be OFF within 2 seconds and total discharge as displayed on the oscilloscope will occur well before the 30 seconds. To ensure a fully charged condition to impress your audience, connect the battery for 1 minute for continued full brightness at the beginning.
I use such demo boards at casual meetings to stimulate interest. It is a good conversation opener. It is also an inexpensive gift that is well appreciated.
There will be assigned numbers to ensure quality results.
Number 33 - overunityresearch.com
Number 38 - overunity.com
Number 39 - energetic Forum
These demo boards are shown below and will be triple-tested before shipment. They will be part of the package.
More on the oscilloscope-test-ready board later.
Pouring out the Divine Wine.
Actual test on the Demo boards.
Second test on the demo boards.
Similar result.
Third test on the Demo boards. Similar result.
One additional test was done. Board 38 was put inside a microwave oven to simulate putting into a Faraday's Cage. Still got the lighting and blinking effect. THis ruled out the picking up of mains energy at 50/60 Hz or receiving external electromagnetic waves such as radio or TV signals. Obviously, the microwave oven was NOT turned on.
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Lawrence Tseung
We are (with patience) requesting that YOU provide verifiable scientific data in this thread for the BOLD CLAIM of a "guaranteed OU board"
or please remove this thread and all contents or change the title of the thread.
Continuing to post false information in the form of an unverified claim is a violation of the terms of your agreement to join the forum at OUR and requires a moderator warning.
Continuing to use OUR as a springboard for sales of your craft industry also
violates the terms of your agreement to join the forum i.e no solicitation.THIS IS A WARNING. DO NOT DELETE
The lowest DC Power to light up the demo boards was 500mV approximately. This result was obtained by using DC Power Supply.
Thus the testers with these demo boards may use AA batteries from fully charged to 1.0V (normally considered as dead). This is in accordance with the common knowledge of a standard Joule Thief.
However, a DC Power Supply is strongly recommended as it can give a constant voltage for a very long time. The voltage can also be stepped up and down for tuning purposes (or to catch the sweet spot as some like to put it.)
The guarantee on the Demo Board is:
(1) The LED can be lighted via a fully charged AA battery.
(2) The LED will remain ON with same apparent brightness for at least 2 minutes. A 20 second recharge will bring it back to full brightness.
(3) The full lighting time including the blinking will be at least 20 minutes.
I can provide such guarantee on the boards because:
(1) The LED can be lighted even with a 1.0V AA battery.
(2) The same apparent brightness on the boards to be shipped out last over 3 minutes. A 10 second recharge will bring them back to full brightness.
(3) The full lighting time for the 3 boards lasted more than 3 hours in the tests.
If the shipped boards failed to meet the guarantee for any reason (shipping damage?), I can always ship out a replacement. Thus the 3 Forums will always have a Demo board with the above description for demonstration.
Your opening statement in the first post of this thread is:
QuoteI am now preparing the "guaranteed OU boards" for the various forums.
Your title of the thread is "Guaranteed OU boards for Forums".
Your rebuttal statement above (reply #5) does not even vaguely support the claim of guaranteed overunity nor do you supply verifiable proof.
Your title is misleading. Please change it immediatly.
Quote from: ION on 2013.02.19, 00:23:27
Your opening statement in the first post of this thread is:
Your title of the thread is "Guaranteed OU boards for Forums".
Your rebuttal statement above (reply #5) does not even vaguely support the claim of guaranteed overunity nor do you supply verifiable proof.
Your title is misleading. Please change it immediatly.
This couldnt come soon enough.
Misleading indeed.
It's about time this madness was stopped!
If it was true OU, after being kick-started the LED would light continuously and never dim. But that does not happen. Instead, losses cause the oscillations to gradually dampen down until they die - just like anything else that is set resonating.
Personally I'm looking forward to .99 confirming that this is the utter nonsense of a naïve, ignorant and/or manipulative mind and then closing the subject down once and for all.
It's another infamous Sonic Boiler, but without Ramset at the helm. C.C
Quote from: ION on 2013.02.19, 00:23:27
Your opening statement in the first post of this thread is:
Your title of the thread is "Guaranteed OU boards for Forums".
Your rebuttal statement above (reply #5) does not even vaguely support the claim of guaranteed overunity nor do you supply verifiable proof.
Your title is misleading. Please change it immediatly.
I share ION's indignation. I'm upset with this troll pretending to preach the "divine" truth and to be above all others with his pretentious threads, often locked to prevent any objections from more competent people than him, while he is not able to provide the least beginning of proof of what he is affirming.
I feel lesser and lesser comfortable with the promiscuity on this place between modest but worthy contributions from the ones and arrogant irrefutable baloneys from another one. It's insulting and should not be tolerated.
Science is not indisputable Gospel words. I request once again that all the threads be unlocked (of course, except those for the forum administration). This is a minimum that can be done outside a censorship that I'm not in favor of. A recall of the code of ethics in matter of research and consequently of behavior on this forum, to those who forgot it, could also be a good thing.
I have changed the name of the topic to something more appropriate, and edited any reference to "guaranteed OU".
Lawrence, you know better than to make these types of statements here. Please keep your notions of OU "speculative" until someone at this forum verifies your notion.
.99
Quote from: ltseung888 on 2013.02.18, 15:15:59
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Board 38 was put inside a microwave oven to simulate putting into a Faraday's Cage.
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Bad idea, a microwave oven is a very poor Faraday's cage.
I put my mobile phone inside my microwave oven, I called it from another phone, and it has rung!
Lawrence Tseung was given ample time to change the title of this thread and any references to the use of the word OU regarding his test boards.
He did not comply in a timely manner so it was changed for him. Thanks goes to the group administrators for persevering to maintain a high standard for this forum.
@ltseung888
Your methodology is disastrous. I see from you plenty of small heterogeneous posts mixing anything in a great confusion (technical mentions, general remarks, jpeg, text, "divine allusions"...).
And I'm very impressed by what you guarantee:
"(1) The LED can be lighted via a fully charged AA battery" (incredible! C.C)
"(2) The LED will remain ON with same apparent brightness for at least 2 minutes" (really astonishing !" :D).
"(3) The full lighting time including the blinking will be at least 20 minutes" (this defies the Reason ;D).
The least AA battery can guarantee what you guarantee! Anyone can guarantee this minimal functioning, and even much more!
Your guarantee is so far better at amusing the reader than at serving any truly useful research about OU. If other contributors accept to be treated as idiots and to play your game, it's their choice. Not mine.
What is your goal? An entertainment with a circuit toy or do you claim OU in your circuit? If the second case is the right one, here is the method: provide your protocol in a single document, with the goal, the schematic, the fully description, the method, and the expected results including the COP>1 that you guarantee.
@FarrahDay
QuotePersonally I'm looking forward to .99 confirming that this is the utter nonsense of a naïve, ignorant and/or manipulative mind and then closing the subject down once and for all.
The problem is that we can never be absolutely sure can we?, not long ago almost everyone on the planet was in agreement that no device can travel directly downwind faster than the wind. Such a simple concept yet everyone agreed it cannot be done, it would be perpetual motion and the math say's it is impossible ... but in fact it was is so easy even a child could understand it.
In which case we could ask the question who was naïve, who was ignorant and who really had a manipulative mind?. You know I just have to ask, did you and Exn or others here harshly criticize the directly down wind faster than the wind technology in exactly the same way as what is happening here, did you believe they were naïve, ignorant or stupid?. I have a feeling you did because this pattern of behavior just keeps repeating itself.
How about we start acting like the responsible, considerate and intelligent adults we claim to be for a change, I think everything would go much smoother. It would seem to me the intelligent thing to do would be to wait until we actually have some real facts to support our personal opinions and this childish name calling is getting real old real fast.
AC
@Exn
QuoteWhat is your goal? An entertainment with a circuit toy or do you claim OU in your circuit? If the second case is the right one, here is the method: provide your protocol in a single document, with the goal, the schematic, the fully description, the method, and the expected results including the COP>1 that you guarantee.
I could ask the same thing of you, what is your real goal here? because you claim to be a scientific person and yet your behavior here would suggest just the opposite. ltseung888 has agreed to send out boards for independent testing so I see no reason for your childish behavior and we should have some real facts from third party testing soon enough.
I just hope you don't start calling Poynt99 and the other credible testers stupid ignorants if their facts somehow interfere with your own personal opinion,lol.
AC
The only pattern of behavior I have seen is utterly boring monologues from a self appointed contrarian.
This person basically needs to fire his old writer and hire a new one as his material is stale, hackneyed, and mostly lacking substance.
Constantly preaching at the bored choir, perhaps some of us should take up a collection for his podium, lectern, or soap box, whichever seems appropriate. I will contribute to the latter and a handout of "NODOZE".
ZZZZZZZZZZZZ
Quote from: allcanadian on 2013.02.19, 16:31:38
@Exn
I could ask the same thing of you, what is your real goal here? because you claim to be a scientific person and yet your behavior here would suggest just the opposite. ltseung888 has agreed to send out boards for independent testing so I see no reason for your childish behavior and we should have some real facts from third party testing soon enough.
I just hope you don't start calling Poynt99 and the other credible testers stupid ignorants if their facts somehow interfere with your own personal opinion,lol.
AC
Look who's talking! :o I could ask you the same question!
You should get of your high horse. EX not a scientific person for you? I learned more from Ex posts here,what I will learn from you in a lifetime. His view on all the subject are objective, his post are clear, COMPACT, and free from not scientific gibberish. He is the type of person what we need here to reach our goals!
What about you? I have my own opinion, but who am I to judge you! right? So I will keep it to myself. However you should do a reality check some times, before accusing Ex again!
@Ion
QuoteThis person basically needs to fire his old writer and hire a new one as his material is stale, hackneyed, and mostly lacking substance.
Constantly preaching at the bored choir, perhaps some of us should take up a collection for his podium, lectern, or soap box, whichever seems appropriate. I will contribute to the latter and a handout of "NODOZE".
I understand your perspective and would be the first to agree however if not me then who?. I'm not saying we should believe anything but there is such a thing as common courtesy and mutual respect which is the cornerstone of civilized behavior. So when I see anyone who claims to be a professional acting like a little child who belittles and degrades others then I will respond, you see any claim requires proof.
Make no mistake I have no problem debating anything here and I can hold my own with any one of you on any level however if anyone wants to start acting like a child then I will treat them as such. I am a professional and I act accordingly, for instance when is the last time you have ever heard a professional person call someone a stupid ignorant or a naïve ignorant or just stupid?, I rest my case.
@chef
QuoteYou should get of your high horse. EX not a scientific person for you? I learned more from Ex posts here,what I will learn from you in a lifetime. His view on all the subject are objective, his post are clear, COMPACT, and free from not scientific gibberish. He is type of person what we need here to reach our goals!
If by my high horse you mean common courtesy and mutual respect then NO I will not get off it for you or anyone else. Would you like me to go through Exn's posts and repeat the number of times he has twisted the facts, belittled and degraded others, resorted to crude name calling verging on racism etc... . If this person is your personal hero then I really do feel sorry for you because I work with real professionals every day and Exn is nothing like them, not in any way, shape or form.
AC
Nice AC nice O0 very well said, with you 100%
Mike 8)
Quote from: AllCanadian
...or others here harshly criticize the directly down
wind faster than the wind technology in exactly the
same way as what is happening here, did you believe
they were naïve, ignorant or stupid?. I have a feeling
you did because this pattern of behavior just keeps
repeating itself.
Ah, yes. The boorish behaviors do without fail seem
to enter into any "scientific" discussion.
It is partially cultural and perhaps for the most part
a trait of those who claim to be the most "scientific."
What it boils down to is that people behave as they've
been conditioned, or programmed, to. They simply
are not able to control the urge to be, well, boorish.
Passing Judgment on others - essentially declaring them
to be less worthy than the Judge - is par for the course.
Aye, "Science" is a religion. Heretics be damned!
Heretics are those who are able to think for themselves
and who dare to challenge the prevailing "wisdom."
Quote from: Centraflow on 2013.02.19, 19:19:50
Nice AC nice O0 very well said, with you 100%
Me too.
ION & .99, well played.
If we are ever going to make any progress at doing something unique, then we need to consider how we consider--how we 'know' what we know. Do we really see through a conceptual View Master?
Rosphere,
Excellent YouTube link! Superb!
Illustrates well the power of dogma
and dogmatic indoctrination.
Establishment Science can be very unscientific.
I love it when a clear , mature out of the box person yells into the box stating 'All you can see is cardboard!'
Quote from: allcanadian on 2013.02.19, 16:13:57
@FarrahDay
How about we start acting like the responsible, considerate and intelligent adults we claim to be for a change, I think everything would go much smoother. It would seem to me the intelligent thing to do would be to wait until we actually have some real facts to support our personal opinions and this childish name calling is getting real old real fast.
AC
AC, I have never claimed to be responsible or considerate - where are you getting your intel from? :)
So are you saying that you consider Tseung to be a responsible, considerate and intelligent adult?
If all of us just sat back and left the likes of Tseung to preach away unimpeded it would certainly run smoother for him, but this forum would become pretty stagnant, mind-numbingly boring and pretty pointless. Furthermore, you and the other do-gooders would have very little to pick at, so there... nah-nah-na-nah-nah!
Here's your sign:
Quotebut this forum would become pretty stagnant, mind-numbingly boring and pretty pointless. Furthermore, you and the other do-gooders would have very little to pick at, so there... nah-nah-na-nah-nah!
@FarrahDay
QuoteAC, I have never claimed to be responsible or considerate - where are you getting your intel from? Smiley
So are you saying that you consider Tseung to be a responsible, considerate and intelligent adult?
I think that you are responsible and considerate but we all have our role to play here don't we, as well I think that if you and I and Tseung sat down at a table together in person we might think very differently of each other. We would talk to each other with courtesy and a mutual respect and express our views in a mature manner.
You may fool some people here Farrah but I know your a good person and a caring person otherwise you would not be here. I also know you do a great deal of work you rarely mention to others and that is your personal choice which I can respect.
You know I talk with a few people here privately and some are very different than they appear to be, we share our knowledge our idea's and make progress together. I can only think that if we treated each other here as if we were speaking in person there is almost nothing we could not achieve together. In any case I am most likely not the person you think I am and I would guess there is much more to you than meets the eye, such is life.
AC
There are folks that can sit down at a table together all day long discussing ways to make better more efficient
things for our planet ,Typically these are called business meetings and usually their work behind the scenes is to look for a way
to make a better mouse trap so they can have a better life or help their friends have better lives and get the hoped for trickle down effect..
Ask the same people at the table to build a better Mouse trap and not benefit from their efforts in the usual way
but to open source it to the world .
Well that's when you actually get to see who you are dining with!!
Just one mans opinion.
Thx
Chet
Quote from: Farrah Day on 2013.02.20, 10:20:29
AC, I have never claimed to be responsible or considerate - where are you getting your intel from? :)
So are you saying that you consider Tseung to be a responsible, considerate and intelligent adult?
If all of us just sat back and left the likes of Tseung to preach away unimpeded it would certainly run smoother for him, but this forum would become pretty stagnant, mind-numbingly boring and pretty pointless. Furthermore, you and the other do-gooders would have very little to pick at, so there... nah-nah-na-nah-nah!
Aye, 'tis most likely true...
Without a sense of humor we'd all be Dead Ducks.
@Ramset
QuoteAsk the same people at the table to build a better Mouse trap and not benefit from their efforts in the usual way
but to open source it to the world .
Well that's when you actually get to see who you are dining with!!
I would agree and I have sat at the table a few times and always left with a foul taste in my mouth and no we didn't have chicken. However once we understand the problem we can fix it, you see we are sheep who have been led to dine with wolves and in most cases we already know the outcome because a wolf is what it is by it's very nature.
What we need is a sheep with teeth of it's own, very sharp ones, who has great respect for it's own kind. As such I have taken actions to address these fundamental problems and very soon we may have a table of our own. There will be no wolves as they will not be invited and the doors will be locked to them so we can dine in peace.
If all goes well in a few months you will see the new future of invention and venture capital, "We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them.", Albert Einstein.
Quote from: allcanadian on 2013.02.20, 21:15:49
@Ramset
I would agree and I have sat at the table a few times and always left with a foul taste in my mouth and no we didn't have chicken. However once we understand the problem we can fix it, you see we are sheep who have been led to dine with wolves and in most cases we already know the outcome because a wolf is what it is by it's very nature.
What we need is a sheep with teeth of it's own, very sharp ones, who has great respect for it's own kind. As such I have taken actions to address these fundamental problems and very soon we may have a table of our own. There will be no wolves as they will not be invited and the doors will be locked to them so we can dine in peace.
If all goes well in a few months you will see the new future of invention and venture capital, "We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them.", Albert Einstein.
Lets just hope that the sheep that were promised a great journey to greener pasture's ,dont get thrown off the bus half way through that trip-while the few turn left and head for the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.
We've supposedly had this "business model" for quite some time here
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Chava_Energy
Founded in 2007
a Model for success?
?
The money to make 'this' [what ever "this" may be] work will come out of thin air from supporters with true altruistic beliefs.
dedicated to the planet not the dollar ,and it will absolutely blow your mind just how vast and willing to contribute this resource is !!
On the other hand...
Your business model has never met with success ,by its nature "free" energy is the antithesis of business and as such will require all manner of "planned Obsolescence" ,expendables ,"payoff politics" and other such necessities endemic to the business mind set .
However That being said .
Good luck with that........[with all sincerity]
Chet
I've been away for a while and I see the mob broke through the front door and barged into Tesungs "house." :(
I understand titles need to be accurate, but Tesung actually measured OU.
I looked at some of his data and calculations, and they seemed OK. Does that mean I believe it's OU? Not at all. I think I know why he is measuring OU, because the sharp spikes in voltage don't register well, because the sampling rate is not fast enough for such spikes, and it violates Niquist's sampling criteria. Also, I suspect his oscilloscope probes might not be accurately calibrated.
He most likely does not understand these concepts, so to him it all looks good.
I personally would have preferred to see him continue as before, he was quite a specimen to observe. Education and knowledge does not give us the right to barge in on the simple minded and ruin their play time. When we think we are better then somebody else, and begin to feel that we aught to set them straight, we have perilously drifted in a dangerous attitude.
EM
Quote from: EMdevices on 2013.02.21, 04:18:48
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...Tesung actually measured OU.
...
Incorrect affirmation. The facts are :
"Tseung says that actually he measured OU".
Steorn also said the same. And Millow. And hundreds of other idiots or liars for 20 years.
Quote from: allcanadian on 2013.02.20, 18:22:54
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we all have our role to play here
...
Sure, the only role of "OU researcher" even if there are differences in the methods.
Note that the role of pretentious buffoon presenting himself as a OU finder advised by divine precepts but without showing the least proof of OU, is not required here.
The role of mixer who want to paint everybody and every device with the same brush in despite of their different relevance, by lack of reasoned opinion, is not required either.
The role of the one who says this, is not required either, unfortunately it's a byproduct of the others. Extinguish them and he will go back to his experiments instead of reacting for accuracy and truth, to all the nonsenses he read here and there. :)
Quote from: ramset on 2013.02.20, 18:53:50
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Ask the same people at the table to build a better Mouse trap and not benefit from their efforts in the usual way
but to open source it to the world .
...
Why do we see the do-gooders of the free energy affirming that any invention in the field must be given to the mankind?
Because people are always ready to share anything when they have nothing.
@Em
QuoteI personally would have preferred to see him continue as before, he was quite a specimen to observe. Education and knowledge does not give us the right to barge in on the simple minded and ruin their play time. When we think we are better then somebody else, and begin to feel that we aught to set them straight, we have perilously drifted in a dangerous attitude.
It kind of reminds me of the quote-- let he who is without guilt cast the first stone, and I think we all deserve the right to make our own mistakes so that we may learn from them.
AC
Lets get our facts straight. LTseung bulk emailed this message (below) to all members that subscribed to receive messages. The implications are that the OUR team (all of us) approve of the message, as his name was not to be seen anywhere in the email.
This was done by pressing the "send this topic" button at the top of each message. Peterae's name was automatically inserted as the sender since he is Administrator. This feature has now been disabled, thanks to this misuse.
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I am now preparing the "guaranteed OU boards" for the various forums.
There will be a small, standalone demo board (battery and battery holder not included)
and an oscilloscope-test -ready board.
The demo board is meant to stimulate interest. Connect the battery for 10 seconds and
the LED will be ON for over 20 minutes. The first 2 minutes will shine with full
brightness. Thus connect for 10 seconds and then disconnect for 2 minutes and repeat.
The LED will shine with constant brightness. Will such a set up save electricity?
If you want the capacitor to fully discharge first, just connect the red and white wires
together for 30 seconds. The LED will be OFF within 2 seconds and total discharge as
displayed on the oscilloscope will occur well before the 30 seconds. To ensure a fully
charged condition to impress your audience, connect the battery for 1 minute for
continued full brightness at the beginning.
I use such demo boards at casual meetings to stimulate interest. It is a good
conversation opener. It is also an inexpensive gift that is well appreciated.
There will be assigned numbers to ensure quality results.
Number 33 - overunityresearch.com
Number 38 - overunity.com
Number 39 - energetic Forum
These demo boards are shown below and will be triple-tested before shipment. They will
be part of the package.
More on the oscilloscope-test-ready board later.
Pouring out the Divine Wine.
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The implications are that all here at OUR support and agree with this email citing boards that are "guaranteed OU".
Do you as a member of the Overunity Research Team suppoert the notion of "guaranteed OU" in this case?.
I have tested many variations of blocking oscillator circuits otherwise known as "Joule Thief" circuits built in this manner and have found they do not provide any degree of OU, in fact most do not approach unity, being up to 80% efficient at best, after very careful testing with a variety of methods.
Public Notice: As a member of the Overunity Research Team I do not support or agree with the implication that the boards are indeed OU as we have come to define it, until this can be verified by third parties.
@Ion
QuoteDo you as a member of the Overunity Research Team support the notion of "guaranteed OU" in this case?.
Well I cannot guarantee it because I have not tested it myself however I cannot say it is not for the same reason.
QuoteI have tested many variations of blocking oscillator circuits otherwise known as "Joule Thief" circuits built in this manner and have found they do not provide any degree of OU, in fact most do not approach unity, being up to 80% efficient at best, after very careful testing with a variety of methods.
I think the biggest mistake most people make is believing they know everything based on their own personal experiences or worse their opinion. As far as the Joule Thief is concerned I have seen over 90% efficiency because it was obvious to me that the base junction was the weak point. I switched to a properly biased signal jfet and 80% was a walk in the park because the 2N2222 most people use is a very poor choice. In fact the circuit and components driving the transistor base that most people use is a disaster in my opinion and I could light almost as many LED's on the base leg as the main inductor leg. I wonder how many here even checked the base junction current?.
You see what most people consider the norm is not always the best way it is the worst and then they try to compare this to another circuit which may look similar but may be doing something quite different.
As such I will wait until the circuit has been fully tested before passing judgement.
AC
Quote from: ION
This was done by pressing the "send this topic" button
at the top of each message. Peterae's name was
automatically inserted as the sender since he is
Administrator. This feature has now been disabled,
thanks to this misuse.
So, what you've said is that the "automatic insertion"
feature was until this time either unknown or not a
concern?
Is there the possibility that in this instance the "misuse"
was also perhaps unintended or unknown?
Are we to assume that deception was the intent? Or
exploitation of the auspices of OUR?
Quote from: allcanadian on 2013.02.21, 19:35:11
As such I will wait until the circuit has been fully tested before passing judgement.
Please define what you mean by "fully tested".
If 40 people test the unit the same way LT did and get the same results, does that constitute a "full test"?
Quote from: Dumped on 2013.02.21, 21:43:57
So, what you've said is that the "automatic insertion"
feature was until this time either unknown or not a
concern?
Is there the possibility that in this instance the "misuse"
was also perhaps unintended or unknown?
Are we to assume that deception was the intent? Or
exploitation of the auspices of OUR?
As moderator of your own bench (which LT is), you have (had) the permission setting to send announcements. This has now been disabled until further notice.
Quote from: poynt99 on 2013.02.21, 22:51:30
Please define what you mean by "fully tested".
If 40 people test the unit the same way LT did and get the same results, does that constitute a "full test"?
All the sane way constitutes a farce.
@Poynt99
QuotePlease define what you mean by "fully tested".
If 40 people test the unit the same way LT did and get the same results, does that constitute a "full test"?
I was under the impression that you were going to test one and if you do then there is a 99% chance I would agree with your findings. No offense to anyone else here but I believe you have shown that you know what you are doing and more important that you have integrity and that would be proof enough for me.
You know we may not agree on many things but our disagreement has little to do with expertise or integrity.
AC
If we all test the boards and find no OU, it still does not mean Tesung did not measure OU, or didn't actually have OU.
It is entirely possible that he lives at a location where there is a strong external signal that interferes with the experiment.
The best method is to go to his shop and observe.
EM
@EM
QuoteIf we all test the boards and find no OU, it still does not mean Tesung did not measure OU, or didn't actually have OU.
It is entirely possible that he lives at a location where there is a strong external signal that interferes with the experiment.
The best method is to go to his shop and observe.
I would agree and I have found that many technologies have zero room for error. Magnetic levitation is one and either we are levitating or we are not and there is no almost levitating because that is the area of greatest instability, kind of like balancing an elephant on the head of a pin. However I have seen enough devices which I could not replicate to understand that at some point a person just has to call it a day and move on to greener pastures.
AC
Quote from: EMdevices on 2013.02.22, 00:55:42
If we all test the boards and find no OU, it still does not mean Tesung did not measure OU, or didn't actually have OU.
It is entirely possible that he lives at a location where there is a strong external signal that interferes with the experiment.
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Instead of supposing:
It is entirely possible that he lives at a location where there is a strong external signal that interferes with the experiment.we could also suppose:
It is entirely possible that the inventor is mistaken in his measurement because he is unskilled in electronics, or he is lying.Both hypothesis are useless because untestable by this one who made them.
When testers don't observe OU in a device they built according to the informations that the inventor has given for its duplication, the question is not to invent possible conditions unobservable by the testers and that would explain the failure.
The question is sent back to the inventor: he must take into account that nobody but him find OU and he must provide a new set of informations for third party testers to succeed.
Quote from: giantkiller on 2013.02.21, 22:57:30
Quote from: poynt99 on 2013-02-21, 23:51:30
Please define what you mean by "fully tested".
If 40 people test the unit the same way LT did and get the same results, does that constitute a "full test"?
All the sane way constitutes a farce.
It's not a farce if the way is this one defined by the inventor. It proves that the inventor is mistaken, at least about the elements that he provided.
The LT board could be a good opportunity to develop a simple system for reading COP
If we had 3 boxes.
2 of which measure power, one for input and other for output with a load, these could then communicate to a 3rd isolated box with a USB interface, the PC could then capture and do simple real time cop display as well as data-log.
The system would actually be very cheap to make from the micro side of things.
I am willing to take this up if someone can design a simple accurate voltage and current measuring front end.
Looks like this could make a good front end @ £5.24 UK Farnell
http://www.analog.com/static/imported-files/data_sheets/AD8436.pdf
Three boxes?
(http://exvacuo.free.fr/humour/capharnaum.jpg)
LOL Nice setup
Quote from: Peterae on 2013.02.22, 12:22:57
LOL Nice setup
Thanks. But surprisingly, it doesn't work. How is it possible?! Surely a hole in the ZPE at my location :)
No NO ZPE is everywhere Honestly, it is our stupidity and blindness that allows it to allude us.
@Peterae
QuoteIf we had 3 boxes.
2 of which measure power, one for input and other for output with a load, these could then communicate to a 3rd isolated box with a USB interface, the PC could then capture and do simple real time cop display as well as data-log.
You mean something like this, accuracy is +/- 0.02v and +/- 50ma on input. I built this a while ago and it seems to work pretty darn slick. It is interesting to see that the real time efficiency can swing drastically with even a very small change in the input/output.
AC
Quote from: allcanadian on 2013.02.22, 16:35:27
@Peterae
You mean something like this, accuracy is +/- 0.02v and +/- 50ma on input. I built this a while ago and it seems to work pretty darn slick. It is interesting to see that the real time efficiency can swing drastically with even a very small change in the input/output.
AC
Nice AC, I'd like one of those :)
I'm glad I'm not the only one with a mess, I put it down to too much work and not enough time, well that's what I tell the wife ;D
Mike 8)
Hi AC
Yep thats nice, what you using for the electronics
@Peterae
QuoteYep thats nice, what you using for the electronics
Microcontroller with precision voltage divider and DIY hall effect current sensors. I am going to upgrade to better current sensors maybe something from the Allegro line soon. I also want to integrate a CCD strip spectrometer into the display for real time gas/liquid analysis down the road maybe for an electrolyser ;).
AC
http://www.overunity.com/12686/is-joule-thief-circuit-gets-overunity/msg353734/#msg353734
All three boards for overunity.com, energetic forum and overunityresearch.com are ready for shipment.
Any last minute suggestions before shipment?
Detailed test results are in the above thread.
Quote from: ltseung888 on 2013.02.25, 07:50:07
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All three boards for overunity.com, energetic forum and overunityresearch.com are ready for shipment.
Any last minute suggestions before shipment?
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Yes. Could you avoid to worry us with logistics questions that have nothing to do with experimentation? There is something called "PM" that you can use to inform the only people involved in your tests and to work with them.
And after the tests, these people will be able to present themselves the experiments and the results, that's the only interesting point.
Quote from: exnihiloest on 2013.02.26, 10:45:29
Yes. Could you avoid to worry us with logistics questions that have nothing to do with experimentation? There is something called "PM" that you can use to inform the only people involved in your tests and to work with them.
And after the tests, these people will be able to present themselves the experiments and the results, that's the only interesting point.
But grandstanding is so much fun.
Mr. Zhou is getting ready to sell Lead-out Energy products to the Market.
See Photo and pdf file.
Instead of my giving gifts to different organizations, any one can order the guaranteed OU products from him.
Quote from: ltseung888 on 2013.03.13, 06:23:26
Mr. Zhou is getting ready to sell Lead-out Energy products to the Market.
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Mr. Zoo in his shop seems ready to sell anything. The problem is the guarantee.
Your post has nothing to do with research. It's the post of a salesman involving in commercial prospection to make money.
I'm afraid that this forum is possibly turning out to be a showcase at the disposal of scammers.