I am an electrician I don't even make any claims to the vaunted title of 'engineer' I used to work on oil rigs some times however for my sins of writing openly on forums particularly this one I got 'Blacked' that's an unofficial list that virtually makes you unemployable which like the linear wave isn't supposed to exist .. yeah right !
To those of you who have been kind enough to read my performances some I must confess scribbled drunk and some stone cold sober and very angry I am very obliged.
I promised at the start of this trip that you would be in for a 'hell of a ride' I didn't really fully comprehend what a dangerous and frightening drive it would be for me. Put yourself In my shoe's for a moment , unemployed and somewhat down at heel , and you win a huge lottery ticket .. your saved! Ah but then your asked to give every ha'p'orth of it away , Not even a button left to give your children. For all the comments on here of people being selfish and greedy and playing mind games ask yourself this ... If it was you could you give the only thing you had ever won in your life away?
Except this isn't even 'won' by chance Its hard fought for, and Its a question many have had to face I suspect , you have seen Matt and David claim success and clam up and then go ''the investment route' I don't blame them at all as I said .. Its a big .. Its a huge ask and that route is a holding cell for the gollum that's Inside of us all. Its possible to convince yourself your 'developing and perfecting' for the sake of all whilst actually keeping the precious ring .. well hidden. Well I've tried each of the pieces of this .. or at least as far as I can I durst not build the whole thing .. yet. If I am right and I am very sure of it .. and it works as I predict , could I trust myself to give it away?
In this hard fought battle I have been helped by many but before I could become a trooper I didn't realise I had to do a great deal of basic training. I like to think I have many friends on this particular forum. In truth I have few in real life I have been far to busy engaged in this war .. one way or another.
One of the most shocking and really frightening discoveries I made was this is nothing what so ever to do with energy. It is all to do with good and evil, (and in the case of energy it happens to take the form of greed) . To be a free people or to be slaves? A frightening concept stares us right in the face .. will our son's or daughters even understand the concept of something that used to be called privacy ? Never mind freedom.
At that point I really felt the battle to be a rout but have kept doggedly at the task battering my head yet again against the wall, luckily there are but few brain cells inside to be disturbed, In fact were there to be another one , It would be lonely. Every one knows free energy researchers are deranged lunatics anyway don't they?
However Soon their smirks will change to astonishment I promise. In days if I'm right and in weeks if I'm wrong.
Gradually I have learned who the enemy is, where he is, I like to think I've managed a few pot shots
in the right general direction. I have also I think wounded some good friends accidentally and for reasons they are perhaps still puzzled about ..( sorry orion not your fault at all).
There are a few battle tactics I have watched that don't work, The video for instance ... It doesn't
why ? Because Its a mind twist and if there is any possible way for humanity to believe its a trick
then they will, The reason ? The alternatives are far to unpalatable to contemplate ! If free energy exists then the rest of the odious stinking midden heap is also true. (and it is I'm afraid. I know it is because I've had one or two minor successes, enough to know which way to point my cap anyway.)
They are then obliged to fight! Rather as when Germany invaded Poland Britain was obliged to fight. So will you be for the sake of your sons daughters and grandchildren.
So you see in the war 'free energy' is just a skirmish never the less it is one I am now determined to help win regardless of cost. I've been working quietly alone planning how I might secretly change the course of the fight entirely. I thought of old battle tactics that might be used that could overwhelm and utterly destroy the enemy at one go. And hopeful before he could destroy me,although no doubt he will destroy me, I'll try to ensure its a Pyrrhic victory.
so you can see the plan and be part of it. here is what I conceived the battle tactic is based on one from nearly a hundred years ago combined with one of seventy years ago I rather hope it catches the enemy (tptb) by surprise the first world war was in full swing, It was a bitter conflict that developed into two trenches stretching for many miles a total stale mate, exactly as we have on these forums ... power in ... power out rubbish , sell your machine make a fortune , well I'm sure you all know the banter be you friend or foe as we take pot shots and lob the odd Mortar at each other.
Well I remembered an action called the ' Lochnagar mine ' It wasn't particularly successful at the time but I think it has possibilities here providing my side is prepared to quickly assemble and help,
by doing the right thing, not the profitable thing but the right thing! If not my sacrifice is for naught.
At Lochnagar a team of British basically 'coal miners' tunnelled quietly across no man's land, then working as quietly as mice they dug a cavern under the German trench. Of course every morsel of earth had to be carried back to the British lines and disposed of surreptitiously so as not to arouse the suspicions of the enemy and particularly their observation pilots , The British then began to quietly fill the cavern with tons and tons of high explosive. At 7.30 in the morning On the first of July 1916 exactly 97 ½ years ago today ... the plunger was pressed, Nearly a hundred years later this is a picture of that attempt to break the stalemate
(http://www.greatwar.co.uk/somme/images/somme-lochnagar-crater-aerial-400.jpg)
http://www.greatwar.co.uk/somme/memorial-lochnagar-crater.htm
(http://www.greatwar.co.uk/somme/memorial-lochnagar-crater.htm)
I thought perhaps such a tactic might prevail here and so I've been quietly assembling the explosives under the enemy trench , win or lose I'm sure the opposition tptb (the powers that be) won't like this bang very much.
you may then be wondering what the other vintage tactic is I try to bring into play why it was called
kamikaze all my own personnel dreams are sacrificed.
I have committed my explosives to a PDF I have published it under my own name most I have come to the conclusion these guys know who you are anyway If you think your anonymous think again ! of the protagonists at Lochnagar most were vaporised in the conflict .. at least I have the option to be known. I view that as a great privilege.
In one page I have dissembled the Steve Mark TPU for you, with a rough explanation of its operation . But that alone won't take and hold the enemy line I'm sure!
I go on to explain how each part fits into the whole of the machine. IMHO that still won't hold the line either! I go on to describe some of the detective work involved in the investigation of Steve Mark and the material he must have stolen from his company and how its used .... perhaps then enough to blow the line but not to hold it, .. I go on to explain the resonance and the waves that have been hidden from you and the way they fit into the whole issue .. you see I want you to fully understand each step. Savour each morsel. Whilst our oppressors taste only ashes.
I get hold of lenz law by its scuff and turn it back on its self .. and show you how its done and why.
I still didn't think that would be sufficient to take and hold the line ... Its the core of the lies and filth of this part of the conflict that needs exposing the Dupe Albert Einstein who in turn has duped all of us.
I am more a hewer of wood and drawer of water than a man of science still I often watch EPD and hope little gems of the man's genius might rub off on me , Not in a higher maths form you understand but in such a way I can understand and give form to the lies of Einstein such that others might see and clearly understand the filthy tricks being played out on humanity by so called 'public servants' if this bloated filth is the servants one wonders what the masters are like?
Its certainly extremely difficult to drag them and their criminal bankster friends away from the teats
of society at large
(http://www.stoneymoortamworths.co.uk/USERIMAGES/suckling%20piglets.jpg)
I here then add substantial weight to Professor Dollards work in my own humble way and identify the illusion and try to give it form.
youngsters who's pencils are still sharp can quickly resolve the distance of the deception given the direction I would hope. They can run much faster and harder than I.
Here's what I would like you to do next then ... first and most importantly down load this PDF next download any of the pertaining web pages you might feel you need to learn the material. Because they are sure to be attacked in order to render the PDF worthless.(That is really why I introduced and explain the whole concept on the first page!)
http://dnp.s3.amazonaws.com/b/b5/Duncan's real doughnut.pdf (http://dnp.s3.amazonaws.com/b/b5/Duncan's%20real%20doughnut.pdf)
Digest and understand as much of what I have written as you can .. check it out any which way you like. .. I have explained each step as an engineering progression So you can understand why and how and then adapt to what materials you have.
I wish you all a Happy, and I hope very different new year ! Bless Duncan. O0
PS for some reason the link on induced magnetism didn't survive the conversion to PDF .. here it is again
http://www.animatedscience.co.uk/ks5_physics/general/Electricity%20&%20Magnetism/Magnetic%20Fields.htm (http://www.animatedscience.co.uk/ks5_physics/general/Electricity%20&%20Magnetism/Magnetic%20Fields.htm)
Happy New Year guys, lets achieve great things this year!
Happy New Year dear Duncan.
Thank you for sharing your "Pet" with us.
Do you see any problem with the attached sketch? Apart from the fact it wasn't drawn on a Christmas card. !! :)
This idea for construction could greatly simplify a build !!
Cheers Graham.
Dear All.
This post on OU.Com may also be significant !! Then follow on. Using a pair of Ferrite "U" cores.
http://www.overunity.com/6763/energy-amplification/msg381170/#msg381170
Cheers Graham.
Thanks Duncan! One question on the last page - you have a link to a flip flop oscillator driver. However it seems to point to a high efficiency inverter circuit. Am I missing something there or is that a wrong link? BTW what do you think it would take in terms of money to buy the core material you need for the TPU?
Air gaps between the magnets are essential. The gap size depends on the gauss strength. If the loop is continuous you need more power or higher frequency as in mega,giga,terra hz to make an effect. The best way is to lower the FE content and make a weak field gap by using a cabinet magnet.
Because with a solid magnetic race track that goes in only one direction you will have trouble controlling the flux flow. The bucking areas that repel will be quite strong and difficult to manipulate.
ok the reason for the toroid is it has the least flux leakage of any magnetic circuit bar none . putting a magnetic circuit at 90 deg as you consider is the very least efficient magnetic circuit known, Its akin to a hose pipe with a kink in it.
the for small air gaps are essential to force magnetic pole change which in turn allows you to split EMF and back EMF and use both forces to the good O0
sorry if I sound a little curt just a bit tired O0
Quote from: e2matrix on 2014.01.01, 19:03:15
Thanks Duncan! One question on the last page - you have a link to a flip flop oscillator driver. However it seems to point to a high efficiency inverter circuit. Am I missing something there or is that a wrong link? BTW what do you think it would take in terms of money to buy the core material you need for the TPU?
No your on the right page . and the right circuit . that circuit essentially sends current first one way then the other through the transformer , it is only the chip section I used and instead of switching transistors and the transformer just connected it straight to the H bridge to switch it first one way then the other
Graham U cores is a fair option ... that's next best to the toroid four of them, I considered two links of an Iron chain each cut in half,( anchor chain used to be made of pure Iron) to combat the rust problems but I didn't find any suitable :(
Quote from: giantkiller on 2014.01.01, 19:39:58
Air gaps between the magnets are essential. The gap size depends on the gauss strength. If the loop is continuous you need more power or higher frequency as in mega,giga,terra hz to make an effect. The best way is to lower the FE content and make a weak field gap by using a cabinet magnet.
Because with a solid magnetic race track that goes in only one direction you will have trouble controlling the flux flow. The bucking areas that repel will be quite strong and difficult to manipulate.
Oh .. please don' t think I chide you, not so .. I want you to clearly understand .. Its far far simpler than gauss and the like ... so don't worry your pretty heads so!
We could form a small chain of nails and paper clips as shown below:
(http://www.animatedscience.co.uk/ks5_physics/general/Electricity%20&%20Magnetism/Magnetic%20Fields_files/Image869.gif)
You really don't need to make things complicated ! Do you think a fool such as myself could possibly work it out if it was complicated ? And luckily
'What one fool can do, another can (ancient simian proverb) quoted by
Silvanus P Thomson another FE researcher of note!
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/91/Silvanus_Thompson_age_25.jpg/200px-Silvanus_Thompson_age_25.jpg)
Silvanus PThompson
This is so easy you rush by but don't see . You see the Bar magnet holding Iron nails ? If you very gently removed the bar magnet from the top nail why all of the nails would Immediately separate and fall to the floor .... that's because Iron is a 'Soft magnetic material' this is what our four separate cores are made of . Soft magnetic material .
The other end of the magnet is Holding paper clips , They are not made of Iron they are made of mild steel MS is a 'different kettle of fish' if you carefully remove the magnet all the paper clips will remain stuck together, they will remain magnetised because Mild steel is a very hard magnetic material . Exactly what we do not want .
Now so you under stand a little better what is occurring picture the particular Iron nail the arrow is pointing at to be one of the four electromagnets I have drawn , (in fact one of the electromagnets supplying the load) what would happen to the poles of that Iron nail if the one above it and the one below it reversed polarity ? Why it would have to instantly reverse poles itself.
Now to take your Imagination just one step further I'm sure most have an Idea how a transformer works ,, or rather how we are taught it works ... now imagine that nail to be the secondary core of a transformer . With windings on it . Each time the flux changes direction .. why It induces a voltage
and the formula for the voltage produced is
(http://www.forkosh.com/mathtex.cgi?emf,%5C;e%5C;=%5C;-T%5Cfrac%7Bd%5Cphi%20%7D%7Bdt%7D)
.. where T is the number of turns
dΦ is the changing magnetic flux
dt is the time it changes in
For those who hate to tangle with calculus in any shape or form this is the poor mans version ..
E = Turns x
(Φ1-Φ2) its quite sufficient where Φ1 and Φ2 are the minimum and maximum flux
(t1 – t2) whilst t1 and t2 are the times of each cycle
should you want to 'bone up' on any of this transformer theory you can fill ya boots here
http://www.electrical4u.com/emf-equation-of-transformer-turns-voltage-transformation-ratio-of-transformer/
(http://www.electrical4u.com/emf-equation-of-transformer-turns-voltage-transformation-ratio-of-transformer/)
So now do you grasp how simple it really is ? There is no need to get complex .. there is nothing complex or complicated happening here and never will be .. Its just very simple basic electrical engineering all the way through .. you can 'most of you' no doubt do it all faster and much better than I , Its just you have rushed by whilst I being more stupid have had to look carefully under every bush.
Now perhaps you also see why Steve Mark was so busily engaged in working out turns ratio's It is essentially a transformer action.. although much faster than you would normally be used to . Which is why as I say I am struggling to find suitable core material. I hope that clears things a little bit for you all.
Duncan, Thanks for clarifying the flip flop question. Would I be correct in assuming you seek something like Metglas or Iron with a very high content of Iron like hydrogen annealed iron which is 99.95% plus iron for a core?
wow you sound much more clued up on the subject of magnetic materials than me e2matrix . I can see how he's done it but the engineering of magnetic circuits is a dim area for me.
He says himself that he was operating at about 8 Khz and I see no reason to doubt it , Its the centre of a speakers frequency range after all . Its what he would have 'borrowed' In fact In one of the video's Its clearly stated that's where the cores came from .. I'm kinda hoping some one with a bit more nous in the magnetic area (and it might by you) can pick up the magnetic issue .. Its obvious that there is stuff that can do it .. that's how every loudspeaker works , some converting hundreds and hundreds of watts at many KHz with an electromagnet I did phone up a speaker company here in the UK but the man started talking numbers with lots of zero's.
I do have some pretty pure Iron I have bought from this company
http://www.leggbrothers.co.uk/ (http://www.leggbrothers.co.uk/)
which they proclaim to be very pure .. I bought 2M of 20mm round bar , but I don't have the means to bend it so I now await a blacksmith to sober up after Christmas and even then he says a circle is beyond him and I'm going to have to try with four U shaped things .. Its all very frustrating Its obvious whats actually needed and how its done and put together but then the fates seem to want to trip you at every turn I'm not even sure if pure Iron will suffice but in the absence of what I really need .. of course I have to try it.
Well no not an expert by a long shot. I just know Don Smith used Metglas in at least one of his projects. I've looked into permeability before for some other projects a bit and I assume it is permeability that we may be interested in. See this chart on Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permeability_(electromagnetism) about half way down the page and you'll see it is interesting that 99.8% pure Iron has only a permeability of 5000µ whereas 99.95% pure iron has a µ of 200000. The company you posted where you got your iron says they get 99.85% pure so you'll probably be coming in somewhere closer to 5000µ than 200000µ. Metglas is quite expensive although once in a while I've seen some on eBay. I think something like 6 inch diameter toroids were coming in around $150 to $200 or so. I've seen it in toroid shapes but it's more often in U shapes with fairly squared off corners. Seems like there has to be a good reasonable source from somewhere. I wonder if some very big old speakers might have what you need.
And just thinking out loud here. Maybe it would be easier to find a big chunk of flat round or square pure iron that is about an inch thick and then you could drill out the middle. If it's square band saw off the corners to where they are round. Drill enough small holes in the middle to get one big hole and then grind until smooth. On the other hand I guess you actually want to end up with four 1/4 rounds don't you? That being the case there has to be someone that can bend that bar for you. I'm thinking ship builders. I think you already mentioned chain. Someone that makes large ship boat chain would certainly have a machine to bend large iron rod if they didn't already have some the right size. You just need to cut it into quarters anyway. Okay rambling done .... ;)
Dear All.
I have been giving this thread a deal of thought and being the Newbie I might as well take the flack for my following remark!! :)
A loudspeaker as far as I am aware has a powerful doughnut shaped permanent magnet. This magnet also has a linked soft iron inner core that the speaker coil runs in between of. There lies the crux !! An alternating current applied to the coil causes the cone to vibrate in, as Duncan rightly suggests a linear wave.
So what I am trying to say is that the speakers magnetic material would not be suitable for this application because it would become a permanent magnet !! A loudspeaker's magnet doesn't change strength whilst in use does it ??
My neck is on the block !! :)
Cheers Grum.
oh grumage that's not thinking like an engineer is it? 1000 watts goes in (say) and moves the cone accordingly it is of course physically moving the cone back and forth that consumes 1000W . it can't be a PM magnet can it ? indeed here's an animation .
http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/speaker6.htm (http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/speaker6.htm)
The material the core of what is called 'the voice coil' is what Steve Mark used ... that coil is taking all the input power ,changing it to lateral movement and physically moving that cone very fast back and forth. the big PM magnet your thinking of is effectively a counter balance .. I'm not interested in that at all . it is the substance that the voice coil is wound on probably a sintered material of some sort .. Steve Mark .. had access to it , it has every quality needed here ... light weight, very soft magnetically, capable of handling huge power. capable of being' formed ' obviously for different speakers . actually absolutely the reverse of what you say Grumage the stuff has no magnetic retention at all the speaker cone always returns to the centre position . pressed into the right shape it has every requirement I need , so I know what it does, I know how it does it , I know its frequency response , I know its power handling, I know its Retentivity I can even work out its B/H curve . That's not guess work or thinking about it ... that's just simple pure engineering every step of the way .... I've never seen the stuff, and I cant remember the last time I ever butchered a Loudspeaker ... but that 'stuff' has all the qualities required to make the Christmas card jump about! perhaps I cant get my hands on it, but someone out in forum land can and will I'm sure. I didn't put the post up for me ultimately anyway I posted all the engineering and the principles of every step and that sir is very unusual (as you know) from here anyone at all has as much chance of building ,proving ,demonstrating the thing as I do. I'm quite sure the principles, technology and logic /detective work are right .... who's got the exotic magnetics is the question still your 'thinking on' and that's super Grumage ;D
google "voice coil formers"
I'm having a hard time understanding what I just found. I was digging around for 'speaker voice coil material' and I keep seeing Titanium being sold for speaker voice coil making. Titanium is completely non-magnetic so I don't know what I've found but it's not making sense at first look. At least titanium does not attract to even strong neo magnets so I may be wrong but I didn't think it would work as a voice coil material.
Adding this info I just found on voice coils: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voice_coil
Now that's all interesting stuff .. I haven't got my head around the dynamics of it yet ... the Penny will no doubt drop .. in fact It has whilst I'm writing .. so just thinking allowed here ... that thin material , with the coil wound on it . ... projects virtually all of its magnetism laterally (obviously) the toroid permanent magnet counter balances the "pull of the cone" sooooo the cone is in the neutral position (effectively) then a big BINGO it explains how Steve Mark could cut straight through the toroid !!!! its physically flimsy for all its brilliant magnetic properties and huge power handling ... yeah thats the stuff .. me thinks, thats what was all around the inside of what looked like a hollow toroid he cut in half I dont have the video to check .. but pound to a pinch wonder if we can get BH curves and wot not
Dear Duncan.
I would first like to thank you for using one of the sharper axes from the armoury !! :)
I was totally unaware the loudspeaker drive coil formers were made of exotic materials !! Most of the ones I took apart in my youth were just plain old cardboard, showing my age a little !! :)
I am now on the same page !! So with a little lateral thinking does that supplier you found supply the pure Iron in wire form? We could make up bundles and create the radii to suit. Rather like the cores from the days of your !!
Alternatively my two youngest sons are employed by a steel fabricators/blacksmiths works and I have learned that their power roller can create a 12" dia or could heat and form down to 3" dia but with some waste created !!
Anyway we seem to have some options available to help progress the project. O0
Cheers Grum.
Quote from: e2matrix on 2014.01.03, 02:57:25
I'm having a hard time understanding what I just found. I was digging around for 'speaker voice coil material' and I keep seeing Titanium being sold for speaker voice coil making. Titanium is completely non-magnetic so I don't know what I've found but it's not making sense at first look. At least titanium does not attract to even strong neo magnets so I may be wrong but I didn't think it would work as a voice coil material.
Adding this info I just found on voice coils: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voice_coil
Titanium is not magnetic, and if it was it could not be used as a voice coil former as it would immediately glue itself to the speakers permanent magnet. Titanium is used because it is strong and light, so allows for better hf response. Only the toroidal permanent magnet is magnetic. The titanium is just the coil former, onto which the enamelled copper wire - or aluminium - is wound. The speaker cone moves in response to the magnetic field generated in the voice coil interacting with the permanent magnet. Once the signal in the voice coil ceases, so too does its magnetic field.
;D back to the drawing board with that bit of brilliance then!
Quote from: Duncan on 2014.01.03, 14:02:29
;D back to the drawing board with that bit of brilliance then!
Like you say, you're only an electrician.
Besides I figured e2matrix was looking for a simple, straight-forward answer rather than a 10 page, beer-fuelled lecture. Happy New Year!
I simply cant be bothered with you Farrah day --- I should think e2matrix would be considering anything that might work . just as I am, and as for 1 page 2 or 10 so what? it is a transfer of information .. all you have ever transferred on FE forums is snide . I doubt it would ever dawn on you that if there were a 'simple straight-forward answer' every man and his dog would know it already, IMHO Its about time you got bounced off this forum too !
Dear Duncan.
So where are we ?? Are you now having second thoughts regarding the Xmas card sketch ?? Or can this idea be implemented with a not so exotic material instead ?
I have just read your remarks on the Crème de la crème (perhaps) thread and being one of those less fortunate to see OU in any of it's guises !! would love to see, even a small clue !! :)
That said I have been out today and purchased the first part for my upcoming Chas Campbell replication, the most expensive part will be got next week, a 6 Kva alternator. Being mostly a pessimistic type of person, I know at least I can couple it up to an old Petter diesel I have tucked away and maybe try out Johan's oil and water mix !! ;D
Cheers Grum.
I'm still going ahead with this rummage I want to know if the theories will hold up I have found a magnet core voice coil manufactured by a company called CU I'll write some more when I find a little more about the stuff . . The Chas Cambell Machine is also I believe Just as I reported, I simply give it my best shot Graham and tell just as I see it. and In the case of that machine as it was told to me. Whilst I have never built one, I have never built one of these either but I'm still quite sure it works , I don't know what the magnetic exchange medium is as I said at the out set but that's neither here nor there . If you going to have a go at a Chas Cambell Clone I'll inject all I can to help, In fact I'll even drive down there and help personally if push comes to shove. That I may be 'just an electrician' doesn't mean I am not an honest man prepared I come among my peers offering information, hoping to inspire and be inspired in return I ride under my own name and try and show the whole vista of each concept . and what success and failure I have had with it. This COP>1 stuff isn't simple engineering Graham its a huge wrestling match to join sometimes confusing dots and information that seems not to relate.
Perhaps more importantly its about us .. all of us ,being open handed and prepared to try and share that which we have ,To give away something you regard as precious is difficult ,there are then those who treat the very act of giving with snide and contempt. Its no matter Graham they are worthless opposition they too have their job to do. So your question which pool to dip your toe into ? I wish I could say wind this wind that bolt that on there plug it in and there's 5 KW for life. If I could do that these forums would have been redundant long ago . whilst I have built plenty of COP>1 machines they all have serious flaws, feeble power. intermittent, unreliable, unpredictable, not understood, or simply a huge expense with little return. I doubt there's any researcher here who doesn't understand all of that. As I describe the Chas Cambell machine with that small motor run seriously overloaded to create the phase shift ... I can't see It lasting long can you ? but as I say I haven't tried it so I can't really say, if you go though the video's I linked to you'll see there's a big one in India some where that's being retarded by hydraulics (as well as a flywheel ) and it doesn't seem to be suffering, Even The Steve Mark thing has problems grumage ... it heats up and cooks. Having spoken to you I obviously know a little about your immediate needs and it seems to be taking a big lump off the cost of heating a big box . here then in your particular case is my suggestion . first if your going to supply your own energy you need 'a blind' a few solar panels will do it ! with that of course comes a grid tie system. and depending how your supply works 'off peak' now the reactive charging of batteries is a fact, Its a bit scary as I say but you get used to it . so there's a system described by a researcher called George Wiseman and it works like this ... reactive current .. that is as you drive these batteries close to series resonance .. will charge a huge bank of batteries as fast as one,
Amp/Hrs remember and so that's what George does . with 20 recycled car batteries . he fully charges them at near resonance very quickly using very little power during the off peak period when energy is as cheap as ever its going to be. He uses that huge reserve of energy to heat his house the next day, towards the end of the day whilst still on peak tariff George returns all remaining energy back to the grid via the grid tie meter. The net result of all this Grumage is the electric company by law have the privilege of paying George for using the electricity they supplied . added to that it would also tie into the control system of the other thread ... (if anyone runs with it,) You see every bodies reasons are different , some just won't believe there's COP>1 yet when you tell them to fly a kite in a storm with the string in their mouths .. for some reason.. ;D
I want to build the Steve Mark thing its fascinating and I want to know if I have the theory just so , resonant battery charging however I know that works and in your case could be put to useful advantage right now you can pay a few bangers for the guys book here, and get chapter and verse.
(
http://www.eagle-research.com/cms/node/230 (http://www.eagle-research.com/cms/node/230)
of course there's a few changes to the UK supply system, but as that was once your game You'll know most of that ... and if you don't you'll know someone who does! or...
you can work most of it out from here
http://www.johnsavesenergy.com/CapacitiveBatteryCharger.html#.UsdlXtruNdg
(http://www.johnsavesenergy.com/CapacitiveBatteryCharger.html#.UsdlXtruNdg)So whilst I think the Chas Campbell thing will be great fun and I know your mate has a different take on it as well , just on a totally tried and tested no thrills bang for your buck COP>1 system that will make mincemeat of power bills .. with little outlay its that one , using resonance to charge a big bank of batteries. which the scrap yard will pay you to take away (Its classified as hazardous waste) and the charger will rejuvenate anyway.
;D ;D instead of helping you decide ... I seem to have added another for you to consider .. only because It seems to fit you , I now know the house your in is big ... space for battery bank, ... I know your Ex power .. so Au'fait with meters, off peak and grid tie ups (or you know some one who is), also not to bothered working with hundreds of volts AC or DC ... also if the resonant battery thread starts being progressed It'll fit in .... like us read the form all pick your horse ;D trouble is most here are now after taming a Thoroughbred now where as this not quite so flash well tried and tested resonant donkey might do your job better! ( PS Blacksmith still on holiday >:()
Best wishes Duncan
All F.E researchers are lunatics .. tptb and big oil says so .. now its my turn! ;D Consider this ..
Magnetic engineering is a one of the many subjects I'm woefully ignorant in I'm grateful for any input . I have been thinking about the basic operation of a simple transformer. Say wound on a closed Iron toroid for instance . I here think of how it works .. not how the books tell us it works with that cutting the coils at 90 deg rubbish .. how can it do that ? Sure you can induce flux into the Iron core but that's where it stays .. there's perhaps 1% leakage if that, its in there trapped. There is no way the flux can as the books tell us 'cut the coils at 90deg' the flux cant get anywhere near the coils never mind cut them. It can't get out of its prison, I recalled another great researcher in the field effectively destroyed by tptb and now dead Chris Carson and this demonstration of the corruption in transformer theory beginning at 6min on the first video and finishing at 2 mins into the second (just my luck to get stuck across two video's ) anyway there's a comment by EPD regarding spaceships and light and the windows I'd like you to take note of too .. so perhaps just as well.
Incidently this is Chris's rotary static converter that upset tptb and lead to a lot of troubles for him.
(http://www.tuks.nl/wiki/uploads/Main/Rotary_Electrostatic_Converter_2.jpg)
So lets see if some bits can be loosely slotted together ..
first lets put Tesla's luminous Aether back in place where all the giants of the time knew it should be
Tesla describes the Aether as acting rather like a gas in this regard I believe he meant applying equal force from every direction , feel free to view this as a ball being held under water .. the pressure on the ball is equal in all directions.
Tesla also informs us that energy would be available at any point in the universe . Not the planet the universe. The fact that the transverse wave does not exist in space and light is not visible in spacecraft without glass made with reflective mesh is also pointed out by EPD.
Edward Leedskalnin also surly built this telescope with no glass as a tongue in cheek swipe at the Michelson–Morley experiment which was supposed to prove beyond any shadow of a doubt there was no Aether.
(http://www.crystalinks.com/cctelescope.jpg)
Edward knew otherwise. So the Aether exists every where in the universe its omni directional, it exerts equal pressure and travels in a straight line. What then if it hits a lump Say like our beautiful planet with us on it ?
Why surly it passes straight though us and it . Only neutralising at the centre of the planet where forces from every vector meet and are cancelled out. (exactly if it were a perfect ball with perfect mass) This then is what Edward Leedskalnin meant when he said the magnets were holding us and everything else together . It is the luminous Aether he is referring to , another man's sea of energy , and yet another's radiant energy still ..
A rose by any other name would smell as sweet (William Shakespeare - Romeo and Juliet)
and so as this force of life passes through everything in encounters varying degree's of resistance
each substance having a different impeding effect on the linear wave . This effect I suggest is what you know as gravity . And Mass being the various amounts of resistance offered by various materials to the passage of the Aether .
So by extension I suggest that gravity is not an attraction of one mass to another rather an external pressure pushing things down due to resistance as the luminous Aether passes through.
No one knows what gravity is ! Do you believe that ? These horrible bloody people have been feasting from the public purse discovering all there is to know .. a more accurate statement I suspect would be .. nobodies giving the information to the people who supplied all the money for the investigations in the first place.
Keep the idiots in blinkers and feed um rice! .
So how does this effect the transformer I was considering what seems to be quite an age ago ? Quite simple now the flux doesn't have to leave the Iron core does it?
It simply has to move laterally, this in turn would make the passage of the Aether easier or harder on its passage to the earth's core..
If harder then the Aether is arrested temporarily in the winding and hence develops voltage and current . If easier then the normal neutral state of the substance is experienced with the linear wave passing through unhindered. All the formula's bull shit and waffle that have been massaged into place still hold good but the fundamental principle of operation is very different. The energy is coming directly from the Aether.
I have engineered this as an electrical machine .. because I know no other way .
But as I think of what I have just written .. The impulse wave I suggest will not be electricity in any form I am used to ... it is moving at the same velocity as the linear wave 292000 miles/sec
so if (and its a big if) my conjecture here is something like right I really don't know what might happen . I'm sure you can see how a anti gravitational situation could quickly arise .
And how it could possibly be done with no core at all . As I say this has only just crossed my mind I can't think of any way of testing the veracity of what I suggest just at the moment .. but it does seem to join a few dots for me . Including possibly the Hendershot device. I know I'm pointing you straight at the unknown ... but it is what you want to know and have been considering for a long time isn't it ? ;D ;D time for the men in white coats or what ?
@Duncan
QuoteThe fact that the transverse wave does not exist in space and light is not visible in spacecraft without glass made with reflective mesh is also pointed out by EPD.
I'm not sure I understand this statement, it is generally understood that light is not visible anywhere until it hits matter which is the reason space is so dark. We know light is emitted or reflected from astronomical bodies however the EM energy we call light is not visible in space. Which light is EPD referring to?.
AC
just my assumption here AC without asking the Good Prof I certainly wouldn't like to try and put words in his mouth ;D. probably what you say is right and the correct spiel should have been .. not visible until some very special glass was made to compensate for the fact that no transverse waves exist in space ... which of course is the key point
no transverse waves exist in space there's plenty I don't know about light ... I don't know what the speed of a shadow is either ;D
@Duncan
Quotejust my assumption here AC without asking the Good Prof I certainly wouldn't like to try and put words in his mouth . probably what you say is right and the correct spiel should have been .. not visible until some very special glass was made to compensate for the fact that no transverse waves exist in space ... which of course is the key point
It can be confusing even at the best of times. The internet can be funny sometimes and a while ago some people had posted that light is not visible in space which is true however then some took this to mean that we could not see any objects when in space. Implying that we could not see the Earth, Moon or stars unless we have special glass or coatings on the glass which I find very hard to believe. As such I have found that generally I have to filter the information I read because after it becomes second and third hand information it tends to get completely distorted much like our textbooks.
I have found the story tends to unfold like this... a man say's his father is overweight to his friend who believes his father is overweight which is unhealthy. The 3rd person say's his father is sick, the 4th say's it must be cancer and then out of the blue the 10th person in the loop walks up to the first man and say's I am sorry to hear your father has died of cancer, when is the funeral?, lol. If this happened on the internet then we could be fairly certain that someone somewhere would then say he was given cancer by aliens or some black ops unit trying to kill us all and another conspiracy is born.
As well with the internet it is plausible that I could post something then one year later and one thousand people down the loop read something which is completely false but originated from me, weird or what?.
AC
If light could be seen from the side then space would be white!
We have been created with Eyes in order that
we may See. This, however, is no guarantee
that all who have eyes are able to "see."
Our beliefs will often get in the way of our
vision. The mind is a powerful thing.
Why some are able to 'see' it and others are
not (even though they have eyes and mind)
has been the eternal puzzle.
Motivations.
Ah so some pure (ish) Iron has arrived .. Nothing exactly as I planned it .. I wanted a circle ... It seems it was beyond the black smith and so I have plan B .. U shaped ..20mm round . (pics are crap I've just spun the web cam around)
.
(http://dnp.s3.amazonaws.com/b/b5/Iron.bmp)
.. which obliges me to wind coils a'la Edward Leedskalnin's PM holders you see the plan . .
(http://dnp.s3.amazonaws.com/b/b5/Iron%202.bmp)
Its all a bit rustic right now ;D .. work in progress , I'm not convinced Iron is an essential component now ... It could possibly run just on air cores .. still I've bought the stuff so I'll try it!
Anyone got any B/H info on pure Iron ?
QuoteAnyone got any B/H info on pure Iron ?
Good question.
Let me add one-- how FAST does a magnetic "impulse" move in iron?
Consider an iron rod of length L, with a coil on each end. A sharp current pulse is driven through A (and terminated), and the iron carries a magnetic pulse as domains align etc. At what TIME does coil B "feel" the magnetic field?
v (magnetic pulse) = L/t.
Please note -- this sensing by B is NOT instantaneous.
Quote from: PhysicsProf on 2014.01.10, 17:51:20
Good question.
Let me add one-- how FAST does a magnetic "impulse" move in iron?
Consider an iron rod of length L, with a coil on each end. A sharp current pulse is driven through A (and terminated), and the iron carries a magnetic pulse as domains align etc. At what TIME does coil B "feel" the magnetic field?
v (magnetic pulse) = L/t.
Please note -- this sensing by B is NOT instantaneous.
Dear PhysicsProf .
Is this the answer ?? Or have I missed the boat !! :)
http://jnaudin.free.fr/dlenz/DLE20en.htm
Cheers Grum.
Thanks for this, Grum O0 -- I'm studying now...
Quote from: PhysicsProf on 2014.01.10, 17:51:20
Good question.
Let me add one-- how FAST does a magnetic "impulse" move in iron?
Consider an iron rod of length L, with a coil on each end. A sharp current pulse is driven through A (and terminated), and the iron carries a magnetic pulse as domains align etc. At what TIME does coil B "feel" the magnetic field?
v (magnetic pulse) = L/t.
Please note -- this sensing by B is NOT instantaneous.
I would think there could be a delay in solid conducting iron due to lenz forces within the bar working against the field till the field is fully dispersed to its full extension. But a non conducting iron powder core should be quick due to little lenz if any.
Lenz. I was thinking about the vids that show a superconductor floating above a magnet. There is another material that also works at room temp. I find it odd that it just floats. No mater the orientation. So what about a superconducting inductor? If you put a DC source across it, would current ever flow??? Considering the floating mag and why it floats, then I think a super conducting inductor might be useless because the impedance, without resistance would block incoming current because the bemf of induction would be equal to the input ;). But, Possibly a superconducting transformer, with input, no load, would not be a parasitic loss when plugged into a wall outlet. O0 And maybe if the sec is loaded, the primary might flow some current. Not sure.
Ok, sorry bout the off topic. :D
Mags
The change of field time is irrelevant .. in fact its used to advantage in this circuit . the study you are doing is irreverent I have already engineered it out of the operation
look at the Christmas card ... you can view the four coils as a Wheatstone bridge so A X C = B X D in all respects .... the time factors are irrelevant as they obviously cancel out .
The bridge is actually performing the job I have had to ask Mike and Jean to consider. its a cumbersome way of tracking resonance .
either way the chaotic state of magnetic current has to be resolved ..
Hello Duncan,
Just a question (or two) please...
I can't see in space. In any "space perception" test, my IQ is a one digit number. :P :-X :-[
So, my question: In your CCT are the coils (A and B) and (C and D) in a "bucking coil" configuration.
= one coil CW wired and the other coil CCW wired (or inversely)?
I have taken the liberty to present your CCT in a different way, more understandable for my me even if the 'doughnut' is not shown.
Your CCT:
(http://freenrg.info/4OUR_F/Duncan_CCT.jpg)
My interpretation, Is it correct?:
2 independent CCT, the red one and the blue one.
(http://freenrg.info/4OUR_F/Duncan_Xmas_Card_CCT.jpg)
If it is the case (= 'bucking coils'), I'm asking me this question:
JL. Naudin made some experiments with these "Bifilar Coils VS Bucking Coils".
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/bifvsbuk.htm (http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/bifvsbuk.htm)
I was also able to successfully reproduce this experiment.
As far as I can catch it, with a bucking coil configuration (theoretically, L =/= 0 Henry)
So, how to 'theoretically' get resonance? Actually, the L/R time constant = zero. No?.
Silly question, indeed, because, practically, you can observe a preferred frequency...
Anyway, if you could elaborate a bit....
Bien cordialement,
Jean
Ps: I'm looking for any "bone to gnaw" from you. Should I have the skills to ingest it.
Hi Jean sorry a bit slow coming back .. I busy winding those coils you have drawn, when this free energy malarkey is all over I'll never wind another coil as long as I live!
I think by virtue of a bit of sympathetic resonance between us you may have just hit a brilliant answer
to the resonance question a'la crem
This circuit may seem simple Jean but I have viewed it from another dimension which might make it seem a little odd. Because what you term bucking doesn't really apply . Nor does Bi filar both effects are radically altered by resonance. With electricity in this dimension Jean (not at resonance)
a wire wound resistor would be wound Bifilar so as to prevent induction .
Or to simplify that separate the effects of EMF and back EMF and prevent their interaction,
coils A and B are actually a Bifilar winding but on separate cores,
this then at resonance only allows the two current of EMF and back EMF to be separated,
obviously if coil C were in the position of coil B then it would be a Buck winding with no gain at all
in fact effectively a short circuit. However because there is air gaps each of the magnets changes poles in sympathy. The effect is instead off a short circuit which you might expect lenz law is now effectively reversed something approaching 100 % energy gain could be expected from this alone .
(that's my theory) In practice anything is welcome of course. You also might view this as a high frequency Wheatstone bridge where A x D = B x C thats essentially what's resolving the resonance
issue that I cant get at with the other thing .
Here was my thinking last night .. regarding keeping a LA battery on a resonant point, I was actually thinking of this video which by chance you have posted again else where,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQdcwDCBoNY
It then crossed my mind that one light is doing the opposite of the other at resonance . I also thought that is really what is required to hold the LA battery in series resonance . No so ?
The next line of thought is what would be the series resonant version of that circuit?
And I wasn't getting much in the way of ideas and then .. I then started to think of two identical batteries capacitively coupled (As the parallel resonance is magnetically coupled)
Now would not a light on the battery being monitored come on when the other was at resonance ?
And could that not be tracked ? .. I then started to think what the internal impedance (not resistance ) of the battery might be so it might be duplicated .. ah well it might spark a light !
(http://dnp.s3.amazonaws.com/b/b5/mag.bmp)
work in progress ... ouch do I need more copper wire!!!!
we must be on the right track anyway I'm getting lots of noise and interference over on energetics from the firemen ...
@Duncan
Quotewe must be on the right track anyway I'm getting lots of noise and interference over on energetics from the firemen ...
I think it's important to understand that what we want is magic and any technology sufficiently advanced would appear as magic..Carl Sagan. We are the magicians and they the crowd having no more understanding of what we do or how we think than how one could pull rabbits out of a hat.
I always found this fascinating that the Magician can do the impossible and yet we do not criticize them we applaud them. They think and operate on a completely different level than the crowd and the crowd would never think to suggest they are as skillful. This is not so with technology and every tom, dick and harry somehow believes that just because they have read a few textbooks they are on the same level. They are not magicians they are simply bystanders watching the show unfold before them.
QuoteOr to simplify that separate the effects of EMF and back EMF and prevent their interaction,
That is an interesting thought, if our conductor was a road then it would seem there is only one lane of traffic. One car (Emf) travelling West as the other car (Bemf) travels East in the same lane and a collision would seem unavoidable. Now a good magician might think to have the west bound car pass right through the east bound car which would amuse and confuse the crowd to no end. However appearances can be deceiving and from another perspective there may be two lanes hence the cars never collide they simply pass one another. I guess we could say the real trick is to stop thinking like the crowd and start thinking like the magician.
AC
Time for a change of perspective to start the new year, I am now the artist formerly known as prince, Doh, I mean The Magician formerly known as Allcanadian.
There be magic gentlemen
AC
Quote from: The Magician on 2014.01.12, 16:53:07
Time for a change of perspective to start the new year, I am now the artist formerly known as prince, Doh, I mean The Magician formerly known as Allcanadian.
There be magic gentlemen
AC
And for your next trick ?? :) ;D
Cheers Grum.
@Grumage
QuoteAnd for your next trick ??
My next trick is to get back to my roots, to start anew, to become that person I once was who knew no limitations. Who was hands on at the bench determined to do the impossible and share it with everyone. He was a nice open-minded fellow and I'm not sure what happened to him... I need to find him I think.
I think Duncan is right on track, a new year to reinvent ourselves and our technology.
AC
Quote from: The Magician on 2014.01.12, 17:16:44
@Grumage
My next trick is to get back to my roots, to start anew, to become that person I once was who knew no limitations. Who was hands on at the bench determined to do the impossible and share it with everyone. He was a nice open-minded fellow and I'm not sure what happened to him... I need to find him I think.
I think Duncan is right on track, a new year to reinvent ourselves and our technology.
AC
Dear The Magician.
Wow!! That turned from a little light hearted banter into something very deep !! I do understand your sentiments though. I myself, as I get older seem to have lost the vitality I used to have !! I was the one who always jumped in feet first !! My maxim has been that "The man who never made a mistake, never did anything " But the real trick is to learn from those mistakes !! :)
All I can ask of you is please don't loose that analytical mind you have !! I am a doer more than a thinker !! I need thinkers !! :) O0
Cheers Grum.
grumage ... remember the battery and the granite ... what were you charging that battery with ? just a standard charger ? I altered that post I guess you went back and took a look ? I'm interested to know obviously because I wonder if there's anything measurable about the granite that might indicate the level of magnetic current.
here's some scribble I offered up on energetics regarding this subject of LA batteries......
A little bit of practical work for you to try ... or just consider if. you like .
Power in DC circuits = VI that's fair enough isn't It?
In AC circuits of course that alters power becomes VI cos θ ....θ being the angle between current and voltage
.
When current and voltage are 90 degrees out of phase what is the power (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/When_current_and_voltage_are_90_degrees_out_of_phase_what_is_the_power#slide=1)
Obviously if θ is 90 deg the cos of 90 deg is zero and no power will be consumed . In practice just throwing any capacitor in that circuit will not result in perfect resonance never the less .. pretty close and by adjusting the size of that capacitor you can get much closer anyway .
The main current component after the capacitor is referred to as Magnetic current and the power component volts x magnetic current is known as 'the watt less component'
for obvious reasons the dogma, text books and science say it can do no work ! John ###### .Edward Leedskalnin , Moray and many others say otherwise . I agree !
Magnetic current is actually freely available it is a natural product of the ground , some call it telluric current. It enters the grid system via the neutral conductor which in turn is bonded to ground.
Regardless of how it may enter the system the books and theory say its basically impossible to do anything useful with it. So It would be impossible to charge a battery with this circuit . That I have scribbled on the back of this envelope wouldn't it ?
(http://dnp.s3.amazonaws.com/b/b5/charger%201.jpeg)
do you agree with the books .. or me ?
I suggest not only will that battery charge the nearer to resonance you can get .... the faster and better it will charge.
Try it and watch you house meter . But first see if the impossible can happen .. and magnetic current (VARs) can charge a battery at all. If it does .. if it does we'll think about making it better! There are people using this very technique to pump power back onto the grid and the power companies end up paying them Its not what you really want though is it? Surly you want rid of the grid altogether ?
Still try it and see what your findings are, this is electrostatic exchange resonance is bringing magnetic current into being... This is a crude example but it'll show you the way of the thing .. cheaply and quickly .:cheers: ....(jean you'll see why tracing the series resonance is so important)
As for AC bravo! what are we doing this for any way ? so a couple of us can have a secret thing chugging away hidden in a basement ? radical change is required!
mean while back with this magnetic attempt – rather than get bogged down in mu values and BH curves I have decided to scale what I am doing directly off EL s PM holder by mass .. seems that guy knew a thing or two.! I haven't done the scribble yet but he calls for 1500 turns on each soft Iron leg on one inch dia Iron so I guess I'm looking at 1000 turns per . I hate winding I'm visually impaired now so I have to sort of do it by touch to a certain extent still I'll set about it! needs must ..
Posted this over at EF too but I think it's good to go here too:
Hey Duncan, I decided to play around with this basic circuit because I've got a very expensive Optima 12V LA battery I got in a yard sale but never have been able to get a good charge on it. I discovered some very good things along the way of playing with this setup. I started out using your basic schematic above with a heavy toroid 120VAC to 24VAC transformer that can provide a lot of current. I tried AC caps from 3.5 uf to 62 uf and was having some luck charging but the power factor was always up around 0.70. Watts were fairly low from about 2.8 to 5 watts and charging was quite slow as monitored with a Fluke DC meter.
Then I decided to look at George Wiseman's capacitive charging circuit and what a huge difference that made when I hooked it up as I will describe below. Power factor dropped to 0.02 and watts consumed were around 1.9 watts while the battery was charging way faster as observed on the meter. Before trying his circuit I also tried 120VAC with a 1:1 transformer feeding the setup you posted but charging was slow and PF high with that. But when I went to the circuit below charging got very fast and PF very very low as I said. I've had this info for a while but never really looked into it and especially with a watt meter / PF meter attached. In my setup I used a 220VAC 62 uf cap for C2 and a 14uf 120VAC cap for C1. Based on his formula of input voltage divided by C2 over C1 my output charging voltage is around 27.1 volts. I'll have to check it with the voltmeter to see if that's correct. (checked it now and it's about 24.8V) This setup also limits current based on what cap values are used. Thanks for bringing this up!
@Duncan
QuoteI'm interested to know obviously because I wonder if there's anything measurable about the granite that might indicate the level of magnetic current.
Well... the granite industry has a dirty little secret which is not common knowledge. As it turns out most all granite is radioactive to some extent and in some cases in is well beyond what is considered safe. I believe I first heard this 10 years ago on a show called "60 minutes" and the journalist went into the show room with a Geiger Counter. Well the damn thing went ape shit on every counter and of course he was asked to leave. The reason they were investigating it was because the granite was never tested at that time and some people were feeling sick for reasons they could not explain... go figure. .
AC
Quote from: The Magician on 2014.01.12, 22:22:16
@Duncan
Well... the granite industry has a dirty little secret which is not common knowledge. As it turns out most all granite is radioactive to some extent and in some cases in is well beyond what is considered safe. I believe I first heard this 10 years ago on a show called "60 minutes" and the journalist went into the show room with a Geiger Counter. Well the damn thing went ape shit on every counter and of course he was asked to leave. The reason they were investigating it was because the granite was never tested at that time and some people were feeling sick for reasons they could not explain... go figure. .
AC
I picked up on that info about granite probably some 15 years or so ago when I was studying Bruce Perreault's work and it came up about granite being radioactive. I've got a good geiger counter and found it is indeed radioactive although most of it is quite low that I've run across. I'm sure it can vary a lot depending on the source. BTW I like magic ;)
Quote from: e2matrix on 2014.01.12, 22:02:15
Posted this over at EF too but I think it's good to go here too:
Hey Duncan, I decided to play around with this basic circuit because I've got a very expensive Optima 12V LA battery I got in a yard sale but never have been able to get a good charge on it. I discovered some very good things along the way of playing with this setup. I started out using your basic schematic above with a heavy toroid 120VAC to 24VAC transformer that can provide a lot of current. I tried AC caps from 3.5 uf to 62 uf and was having some luck charging but the power factor was always up around 0.70. Watts were fairly low from about 2.8 to 5 watts and charging was quite slow as monitored with a Fluke DC meter.
Then I decided to look at George Wiseman's capacitive charging circuit and what a huge difference that made when I hooked it up as I will describe below. Power factor dropped to 0.02 and watts consumed were around 1.9 watts while the battery was charging way faster as observed on the meter. Before trying his circuit I also tried 120VAC with a 1:1 transformer feeding the setup you posted but charging was slow and PF high with that. But when I went to the circuit below charging got very fast and PF very very low as I said. I've had this info for a while but never really looked into it and especially with a watt meter / PF meter attached. In my setup I used a 220VAC 62 uf cap for C2 and a 14uf 120VAC cap for C1. Based on his formula of input voltage divided by C2 over C1 my output charging voltage is around 27.1 volts. I'll have to check it with the voltmeter to see if that's correct. (checked it now and it's about 24.8V) This setup also limits current based on what cap values are used. Thanks for bringing this up!
More noteworthy (?) anomalies :
Trying different combinations of caps I managed to get this:
* 31.3 VDC output (with battery disconnected to read that voltage) at 0.14 Amps (with battery connected) while drawing 0.0 Watts and 0.0 VA on the wattmeter while battery voltage is rising (currently about 9.85 volts) - however when the battery is disconnected I see 1.1 Watts being consumed with only the 2 caps and bridge rectifier
* With a different set of caps and 0.45 Amps draw I see 3.4 watts being consumed. At this level the battery is charged to around 9.85 volts but every 15 seconds or so it is jumping for just a second to 11 to 12 volts. Desulfating possibly? But it always drops back down to around 9.8 and then starts climbing again to around 9.9 where it suddenly jumps up again to 11 or 12 volts.
I do have actual power company kilowatt hour meters so I may see what they indicate also as I know some will say the digital KWH meter is not accurate at low levels. Yet it seems to read a lot of different values between 0.0 watts and 5 watts or so as I change caps around.
thanks for your contribution on energetics ewiz /e2 as you see I'm getting quite some noise there . I posted this there and added some for this forum only ...
Thanks ewizard I was aware of Wisemans work but of course LA batteries have been charged like that before there was a USA never mind a George Wiseman. I didn't think it a particularly good example to offer folks not au fait with exposed high voltages and charged capacitors I could have cited Tom Dick or Harry as regards the implication its hundreds of years old technology.
Here's yet another Tom or more probably a big Dick in this example charging huge banks of batteries in minuets , and rejuvenating batteries that have been sulphated for years very quickly.
http://www.johnsavesenergy.com/CapacitiveBatteryCharger.html#.UtNoFtruNdg (http://www.johnsavesenergy.com/CapacitiveBatteryCharger.html#.UtNoFtruNdg)
I didn't particularly want folks side tracked you see Ewiz it seems thousands have built and utilized this circuit without stopping for one second to consider as I did long ago ... This is breaking every known law.. well every law your interested in breaking anyway) as I have pointed out, and then trying to find out why and how it is accomplished is key,
Had you noted only a few Milli amps of charge that would have been quite sufficient to prove the case. The fact that you have gone a whole lot further and proved it beyond any reasonable doubt is great for other readers ewiz they don't have to do it themselves From my perspective viewing things from rather a different dimension to you could you perfectly hit the resonant spot you would be instantly vaporised.
Lucky nothings perfect hey ? Both of these systems are just very crude and dangerous implementation of What could and should be. If you follow the right avenue ewiz you'll find it possible ( oh in theory of course ) to keep fully charged a huge bank of batteries which are providing a maximum load . With a matter of milli watts.
The battery companies have been altering the chemical composition of the batteries with whatever excuse ... maintenance free being usual .. they now have nothing like the life span of older well cared for LA batteries and more frustratingly have a very high Q factor regarding holding anything like a resonant point. Ergo its much harder (but not impossible) to use them effectively as free energy devices. Accidental ? Yeah right !! Its the stench of tptb and their criminal Bankster friends yet again ..
and we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for every body else
So ewiz I strongly suggest you haul back from Wiseman and co . Methods consider rather how magnetic current might reach the battery. And how that might be vastly improved . ;D still prove it to yourself first ;D ;D
Let me also tell you the Lead acid battery also follows the linear wave sequence who's existence is being strenuously denied by what is IMHO opposition noise and intimidation.
Conjecture this ... Magnetic current is essentially a freely available ground component of magnetism. Attracted by the resonant state of the battery magnetic current must flow to the area and then into the Battery. It is significant that you were the only person prepared to consider and try to answer my question a while back.
I know full well there are strange thing happening when an LA battery is being charged !! I got a serious ear bashing from my wife, when after a couple of days charging a battery on one of our Granite work surfaces, upon moving the battery the Granite had taken on the shape of the cell structure within !! And despite a whole day of re polishing there is still the faint outline !!
I wonder if your now prepared to make an educated guess at why Grumage had to spend days polishing and scraping ?poor O'l grum :D
I thought a calculated ideal internal impedance might be used to use that opposite resonance thing as I explained? ... but I see it goes into extreme what I suppose you would call negative resistance
and is not stable ... to see this take two similar LA batteries one very heavily sulphated in the state the physics books referred to as approaching infinite impedance (in fact its not really a battery any more is it ? Just a lump) anyway connect it to the other battery + to +
or – to – (makes no odds your catching one spiral or the other.) obviously nothing can operate in any circuit with an infinite impedance really can it? ... take a small brushed DC motor perhaps out of a toy and connect it across the other two terminals --- It perhaps won't turn immediately and in fact you don't want it to ... one side of the equation is an acceptable infinity .. the other is time because there is a time dimension involved you may have to wait a little ... eventually the motor will start to turn
if you gently try to resist it , it will fight back with all its might and speed up ... if you measure this increase in force to load which I tried to do with just a crude home made Dyno it seems to follow the Fibonacci series .IMHO This amazing effect then can only be seem when the high frequency electrostatic wave has discovered sympathetic frequencies within the crystal structure..
to view this simply ( as I must} one battery is responding to the cw spiral whilst the other battery is responding to the ccw spiral of Edward L s current ..
once seen never forgotten ! However it does make the task of tracking that resonance extremely tricky
Hello Duncan and People,
Duncan, thank you for your answer.
Actually, I understand (electronics/physics) material very quickly as I'm explained during a very long time. :-[ :-X :'(
I have tried, this afternoon, to reproduce (in the real live) the experiment described in the vid you quoted:
"Energy Propagation". User: Tortuga0303·
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQdcwDCBoNY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQdcwDCBoNY)
Unfortunately, I was not able to reproduce the effect.
The behavio(u)r of the CCT was nearly the same as in the Falstad's tiny simulator.
The resonance freq is OK (and in accordance with the maths) with just one coil.
But, with 2 coils, no (12V) bulb are lighted or both bulbs are 1/2 lighted.
That is not my last word on the matter.
I persist in thinking that this effect is not faked.
Why? Because the guy (Tortuga0303) is not claiming any "OU".
I will build a more "professional" version of the proposed CCT.
I used 2 identical off-the-shelf coils and 2 identical capacitors.
In the vid, the coils (and hence, the capacitors) are obviously not identical.
Is this a (big) clue???
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Concerning:
http://www.johnsavesenergy.com/CapacitiveBatteryCharger.html
My Falstad's tiny simulator seems to agree.
As soon as you push this simulator to its very limits, in this case when you detect
the capacitor very value, it gives you a nice "Convergence failed!" and stops.
Here is the picture:
(http://freenrg.info/4OUR_F/Battery_Charger.jpg)
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Now, about "Bifilar Vs Bucking Coils", you can consult a 5 YO thread In the OU dot Com forum
(only 2 pages): :))
http://www.overunity.com/6477/bucking-vs-bifilar-coils-a-question-please/ (http://www.overunity.com/6477/bucking-vs-bifilar-coils-a-question-please/)
Très cordialement,
Jean
Quote from: Duncan on 2014.01.12, 20:57:06
grumage ... remember the battery and the granite ... what were you charging that battery with ? just a standard charger ? I altered that post I guess you went back and took a look ? I'm interested to know obviously because I wonder if there's anything measurable about the granite that might indicate the level of magnetic current.
here's some scribble I offered up on energetics regarding this subject of LA batteries......
Dear Duncan.
My apologies for the late reply.
Yes it was a standard battery charger that I was using. And yes my Granite work surfaces are a tad radioactive and a tad magnetic too. Tested with a large Neo magnet and industrial standard GM counter !! ( My 100 year old radium dial alarm clock is far worse though ;D )
I am following along, just a bit preoccupied with the Chas Campbell project !! My heart is saying yes but my pocket is saying a very
LOUD no!! I assume that this tinman is the same as OUR's ?? http://www.overunity.com/12464/using-chas-cambel-flywheel-system-for-15-horsepower/msg382486/#msg382486
I am stuck between a rock and a hard place !! As the Alternator is nearly £330.00 !! :o
Cheers Grum.
wow Grum that's more than I would like to invest! even though I put together a pretty long post on how it must work :-\ I would suggest this .. there are thousands of working generator sets. builders and construction sites everywhere use them . eventually some prat runs the thing with no oil, or the wrong fuel and the engine's u/s .. very rarely the alternator is at fault its pretty bomb proof ... simply go on ebay. search spares or repairs.. gen sets ... pick one that won't start, and is a likely candidate . In travelling distance might cost you 20 or 30 bangers . split, throw engine away. however...
IMHO that is two induction motors running on at least one of those machines I looked at Grump, and so I would have another very hard look at those video's, get the alternator/motor manufacturer's name ... if you have to email them a pic and so discover if that is an alternator or a SQ cage motor on the end of that thing.
better spend a little research time than spend a lot of money ..... and bench time. I know your pal has a slightly different view on how this all fits together but if push comes to shove an induction motor can do service as a genny anyway. so Grump my advice is a/ don't spend lots of money b/ do some basic research c/If you discover it actually is an alternator you wish to try get a ebay junker I'm sure you can run it up with some thing to see if its OK thanks for the information re the charger Grump It is what I expected but I wanted it confirmed ... I'll explain why on the next post ... which again you may be able to help with. O0
In his book on the subject of magnetic current Edward Leedskalnin of coral castle
tells us that LA batteries are unbalanced and should have another plate
... Oh dear Jean if you wrestle with my English a bit don't even attempt to read this thing, its in code very few English speakers can make head or tail of. you'll start to think you've gone insane ! .
https://archive.org/details/MagneticCurrent-Illustrated (https://archive.org/details/MagneticCurrent-Illustrated)
viewed in a certain light a LA battery could be assumed to be a giant capacitor . Here is that concept of unbalance explained and confirmed
from my own dimensional viewpoint I heartily agree with Ed , if you are charging with magnetic current even in a very crude fashion as e2matrix is doing .. add another plate
use stout copper cable tie it to a good conductor and bury it ... or throw it in a bucket of water
connect the other end to the negative of your LA battery . An antenna on the positive terminal is a bonus!
Of course not recommended on any of those high voltage low frequency crude George Wiseman type efforts unless you really know what your doing or have a death wish, but I'm sure you start to get the idea .
LA batteries ring like a Bell Its much better at very high frequency with very little power but you guys need to understand the concept in your own way and then ... why then ... we should by flying .. mean while back to the bloody winding :( ... if you resolve this electrostatic side which is much more elegant .... just as I finish winding theses thousands of turn coils guess what I'm going to be really really >:( but go for it ! It'll change the world and wow take a look around you, it so badly needs changing.
Amendment concerning:
"Energy Propagation". User: Tortuga0303·
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQdcwDCBoNY
This morning I have rebuild my setup in a more professional way.
Actually: it works.... Amazing. No?
I used this kind of coil (D = 0.4 mm, L= 35 m).
Inductance whitout core =/= 4 mH
Inductance with a ferrite rod: =/=14,5 mH
(http://freenrg.info/4OUR_F/Bobine_Fil.jpg)
A ferrite rod, two 12 volts bulb, two 1 uF MOT capacitors and
this cheap function gen:
(http://freenrg.info/4OUR_F/Function_Gen.jpg)
This should also works with 2 Tesla Pancake coils.
Should it not?
Jean your cheap signal generator is state of the art compared to mine ! And congratulations on proving it and making the circuit work!
The next step ... leap really is to try and convert that to work with series resonance instead of parallel resonance now .. my thoughts get a little jumbled because I thought I saw a way to do it with a circuit you posted your self earlier . But it is the way of the Brain it snapped into focus and left just a quickly. I hope it returns! Still that is the first question what is the series resonant equivalent of that circuit ? I don't think it can be very complex or does some one perhaps see a way that circuit that Jean has replicated could be converted to reflect a series resonant condition?
I'll let it cook and stew a little and see if some little spark doesn't re -appear, Mike might have have it sorted with some RF application by now anyway .. It would be nice to get it simple though wouldn't it? KISS = keep it simple stupid . Being a remarkably simple and stupid fellow myself I have little option , still I take heart in the fact that
"What one fool can do, another can."
- Ancient Simian Proverb.
what do you have in mind with the pan cake coils Jean? ^-^ I've been trying to puzzle what you have in miind .. It hasn't clicked yet
I'm going to outline a basic experiment and the reason for it see if you think its do able ... some may have a better idea for getting at this still here's the reason,... I think a LA battery is actually a reactive current device. In order to charge it must have magnetic current. When charged with a normal charger as Grum has done the magnetic current must travel, to all intense and purposes, from the ground and into the battery . The reaction of that magnetic current passing through the granite is I suggest what is leaving marks and pulling it out of shape. If however a battery were to be charged with magnetic current in the first place then there is no need for it to drink from the natural well,
So I suggest this experiment ... a/ reproduce the effect Grum saw with the destruction of his work surface b/ in as close as its possible to get for garage and shed dwelling experimenters to controlled
conditions charge two like batteries side by side one separate bits of granite one with a conventional charger ... or better still smoothed DC.
And the other with magnetic current (doing the impossible) as e2matrix is demonstrating by charging close to resonance ... whilst not prepared to bet the farm on it I'm pretty sure your going to find one piece of granite just as it started whilst the other will need a whole day of Grumage polishing it before it looks anything like it should. Whilst charging through granite there may be some electrical alteration in the granite that's detectable in this dimension that can help us maintain a much closer resonant frequency,
or is it just creeping dementia ? that's what I meant to post earlier Grum .. but forgot
Quote from: Duncan on 2014.01.14, 15:57:22
I'm going to outline a basic experiment and the reason for it see if you think its do able ... some may have a better idea for getting at this still here's the reason,... I think a LA battery is actually a reactive current device. In order to charge it must have magnetic current. When charged with a normal charger as Grum has done the magnetic current must travel, to all intense and purposes, from the ground and into the battery . The reaction of that magnetic current passing through the granite is I suggest what is leaving marks and pulling it out of shape. If however a battery were to be charged with magnetic current in the first place then there is no need for it to drink from the natural well,
So I suggest this experiment ... a/ reproduce the effect Grum saw with the destruction of his work surface b/ in as close as its possible to get for garage and shed dwelling experimenters to controlled
conditions charge two like batteries side by side one separate bits of granite one with a conventional charger ... or better still smoothed DC.
And the other with magnetic current (doing the impossible) as e2matrix is demonstrating by charging close to resonance ... whilst not prepared to bet the farm on it I'm pretty sure your going to find one piece of granite just as it started whilst the other will need a whole day of Grumage polishing it before it looks anything like it should. Whilst charging through granite there may be some electrical alteration in the granite that's detectable in this dimension that can help us maintain a much closer resonant frequency,
or is it just creeping dementia ? that's what I meant to post earlier Grum .. but forgot
Dear Duncan.
It always amazes me how a simple statement made by one can inspire another !! My little accident occurred a couple maybe 3 years ago, dementia or just getting older who knows ?? I had learned to cut out the area in question from my sight !! :) However we both looked yesterday and the distinct lines are now so faded as to not be there anymore, just the very poor attempt at my repolishing remains !! ;D
I have Granite, not because I can afford it but because a very old friend owns Granite business !! ;) So your test could well be quite simply tried !! Big but !! My work surface is much more strongly magnetic than the other bit's and bob's that I have!!
Do you think this might have a bearing ??
Cheers Grum.
Hello Duncan,
Yes, Ed. Leedskalnin... It is all Greek for me. Very strange guy.
Yet, I have reproduced his PMH. It is botched (as often) but it works...
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What I have in mind? I dunno precisely. I'm nosing about, as usual... ???
What I have in mind about pancake coils? This is more precise.
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Firstly: some considerations.
Long time ago, I was taught what is said in this website:
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/When_current_and_voltage_are_90_degrees_out_of_phase_what_is_the_power
Q: When current and voltage are 90 degrees out of phase what is the power?
A: [...]So the product of Volts and Amps whenever they are 90 degrees out of phase will result in zero power.
Now, I can see that more and more people are talking about "Reactice Power" and getting interesting results.
For example, charging Lead Acid batteries with nearly "zero Power" is not ordinary nor trite. No?
So, we might have been lied to by the books ??? Incredible... ;D :o ;)
Does it not sounds like it just 'suffice' to add some carefully chosen capacitors to get 'OU'?
I'm thinking, for ex, at the ROTOVERTER.
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Secondly: some precisions about my experiment:
The sketch (It is shown 5 meters but one meter was just used):
(http://freenrg.info/4OUR_F/My_exp.jpg)
Specifications (engraved on the bulb base):
Bulb #1(B1): 3.8 Volts / 0.3 A
Bulb #2(B2): 7 Volts / 0.1 A
C1 = C2= 0.95 uF
Measurements (according the meter).
Bulb #1(B1): 1.2 ohm
Bulb #2(B2): 6.2 ohm
C1 = 0.94 uF
C2 = 0.90 uF
L1 = 14.5 mH (with core)
L2 = 15.5 MH (with core)
C1*L1 =/= C2*L2
VS =/= 6.5 V
AS =/= 40 mA
VB1: from =/= 0.03 volts to 0.06 Volts (depending upon the time of measurement and the speed of the wind)....
Here, the meter is out of range and lost, IMO.
V = R*I
Theoretically: VB1 = RB1 * AS = 40 * 1.2 = 48 mV = 0.048 volts
VB2 = 2.5 volts
AB2 = 53 mA
So, Power OUT = 2.5 * 53 = 132 mW
Cos(phi) = 1 for a bulb (mere resistor). This have been nitpicked...
Power IN (PIN)?
You can not write: PIN= VS * AS (in this case: 6.5* 40 = 250 mW) as Cos phi is not 1.
So, efficiency ??? I dunno...
Anyway, when you have a self looped device you do not care about Power-In/Power-Out measurements/calculation.
Do U?
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Finally, about pancake coils, I'm referring to:
"The GEGENE : a Great Efficiency GENErator with a Tesla bifilar coil..."
http://jnaudin.free.fr/gegene/indexen.htm (http://jnaudin.free.fr/gegene/indexen.htm)
[Rant_In]
Very ill named, IMO, because the GEGENE was an infamous French instrument of torture
during the Algerian war (1954–1962).
I would have preferred "VEGENE" (Very Efficient GENEnerator).
My suggestion was not taken into account by JLN.
[Rant_Off]
I have all the stuffs to reproduce the JLN's experiments.
Same brand and model Induction Cooker.
Same brand and model Grid Tie Power Inverter.
Two nice pancake Tesla Coils build with the help of my spouse.
Guess watts? I have not been able to find enough motivation to do this.
Why? Just look at the results:
"Efficiency measurements TEST#1 with a ligthmeter"
http://jnaudin.free.fr/gegene/gegene05en.htm (http://jnaudin.free.fr/gegene/gegene05en.htm)
".... measured efficiency of 91.4 %"
"TEST #2 : Efficiency measurements with a digital oscilloscope"
http://jnaudin.free.fr/gegene/gegene06en.htm (http://jnaudin.free.fr/gegene/gegene06en.htm)
1050 Watts at the INPUT. ??? About 2000 watts at the OUTPUT. ??? Not clear at all, IMHO.
"TEST #3 : Efficiency measurement with a calorimetric method"
http://jnaudin.free.fr/gegene/gegene07en.htm (http://jnaudin.free.fr/gegene/gegene07en.htm)
"The efficiency of the Gegene with the calorimetric method is 96 %"
"TEST #4 : First test of a closed loop system with the GEGENE by 'Romero UK'.
150 watt of extra NRG ???
Etc.. Etc... E chi più ne ha, più ne metta!. And so on and so forth.
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Now, as far as I can catch it, JLN did not use any capacitor to get any resonance. Did he?
So, if his "VEGENE" is so efficient (even, sometimes 'OU' depending upon the way to measure it)
why not to use pancake coils?
That is my question.
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Now another playing with capacitors and simulator:
(http://freenrg.info/4OUR_F/Simulator_normal_behavior.jpg)
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(http://freenrg.info/4OUR_F/Simulator_abnormal_behavior.jpg)
In this case the simulator gives a prompt "convergence failed".
Amazing. No?
All the Best from Brest, small Britain.
Jean
Have a bearing ? Grum guys have been trying to measure so called 'radiant energy' for ever if standing a machine on granite and watching a compass deflect (or what ever) can do it instantly well you see how important it is , It would close this loop Jean and Mike and Matrix are investigating . In fact it has the potential to tune any machine ... very very important IMHO
Dear Jean.
I would like to thank you for presenting the results of your experiments so well !! O0
Your post has sparked a few thoughts / observations for me.
Reactive power was always closely monitored at the substations I worked in. KVAR bad !! Because although it seems to do no work the infrastructure still has to cope with it !!
The Vegene project by JLN did seem to be a real winner, but what happened ?? TPTB got at it ?? Or does Mr JLN take us to the gate and then we can quietly slip through to the utopia we all seek ?? ;)
Return greetings from N Wales (We don't even have a motorway !!) Sorry that's my little rant !! ;D
Cheers Graham.
Bless Jean ! I have clawed my way through that drivel on buck and bifilar windings confused all the time as to why I was reading it .
Ah but I was tired you see very tired so I decided to sleep a little .
Then not your question, but much more importantly the reason for your question came to me. ;D
I used the term bifilar on the Christmas card whilst also drawing a Bucked winding on two cores .
Of course Its had you like a dog chasing its own tail! Whilst being to polite to tell me I'm confused.
The truth is Jean your looking at that little part of the circuit as if it were an electric circuit .
It isn't, Its a wireless transmitter (coils A and B) and (coils C and D ) a wireless receiver ( not radio this is longitudinal wave resonance) I see now you have viewed it the only way you know how .and it seems madness.
All I can say Jean is its at resonance its not electricity any more and you can't treat it as if it were.
What the H bridge actually sees is a wireless Dipole to transmit into , But it would take pages and pages to describe that . Wireless technology was buried years ago,
The wireless signal is transferred via the Iron core to coils C and D which are effectively wireless receivers. Like radio everything is converted into another form of energy (wireless) including forward and Back EMF and so I also took the opportunity to effectively reverse one of the cores
which you see as a buck winding ... It isn't because it isn't electricity, Its still wireless it isn't electricity in any form you would know until its joined by magnetic current in coils C and D that probably still seems a bit dis jointed to you but better I hope
The induction cooker thing does relate Jean although I haven't managed to work out a way to bring it to hold series resonance on a LA battery . I did suggest it to Mike though because I'm sure an answer is there and so I'll explain a little more . Because you may see a way through ..
for something to be COP+ 1 series resonance is essential at some point. Its where transformation takes place.
An induction cooker ring transfer's all its energy to whatever is put on top of it by resonance .
It is actually series resonance and its automatic which is exactly what's required but I just can't quite see the last step to connect it a battery. :-[ it surly cant be just as simple as replacing L2 with a LA battery ... can it ???????
So as I see it .. and simplified , every induction cooker ring must adjust and become self resonant
a Royer oscillator is used to accomplish this Its a very simple circuit as described here
http://www.rmcybernetics.com/projects/DIY_Devices/diy-induction-heater.htm
(http://www.rmcybernetics.com/projects/DIY_Devices/diy-induction-heater.htm)it can obviously track the resonant point ... its really tracking parallel resonance but as one end of L1 must be the opposite phase to the other end the centre tap is clearly series resonance.
Its so very close but I just don't seem to see the last stupid bit.
Just out of interest Jean on this video of one of Tks devices you will see about the 6 min mark he's used a centre tap transformer for the same effect, to hold series resonance
he's then open tuned into a coax caduceus coil which is resonant at all frequencies ... that also might be a way forward .. I don't know much about the caduceus however...
Hi Grumage,
You are welcome...
LOL! Yes, according to the books, reactive power is just "imaginary".
Just because the square root of minus one was, once, named 'imaginary'...
It could had been named "strange". No?
How can we manage illusory stuffs?
Strange materials are more easy to administer. No?
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Concerning JLN, this guy is a mystery for me.
He has a dark side, IMHO:
He is(was?) working with 'Antoine di Zazzo' CEO of "Taser France".
The suspected aim is(was?) to study an airborne taser.
A kinda drone able to promptly calm down demonstrators.
He also has a very good side:
Just one example: he successively reproduced the EPD (Eric P. Dollard) Transversal/Longitudinal
waves propagation.
"Longitudinal Waves and Transverse Waves tests"
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/lmdtem.htm (http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/lmdtem.htm)
Sometimes he does not give all the information. For ex:
"A Negative Differential Resistance Oscillator with a Negistor"
http://bingofuel.online.fr/cnr/negosc.htm (http://bingofuel.online.fr/cnr/negosc.htm)
If you try this CCT, very simple to built, indeed:
(http://bingofuel.online.fr/cnr/images/negoscdg.gif)
You probably get no result. Actually you need a variable DC supply.
I have reproduced this CCT. It works when the DC supply is carefully tuned.
I was told this trick by a now deceased (and regretted) old witty 'OU guy' friend of mine.
I do not believe that JLN have any trouble with TPTB.
He is also suspected to work for the military.
To me, JLN is a good guy. Perhaps too naive and a victim of its own success.
He should be allowed to disclose some things as far as 'OU' is not too loudly claimed.
Just my opinion.
Très cordialement,
Jean
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PS: I have noticed a funny "Duncan Effect".
Before Duncan, I was able to understand most of the posts without the help of any dictionary.
Then comes Duncan. My dictionary is in fire. OK.
But now, most of the posters seems to have been inspired by Duncan and use a very elaborated
English.
Woe is me. :'(
On the other side I also do like using elaborated French.
Imperfect Subjunctive, for ex..
http://french.about.com/od/grammar/a/imperfectsubjunctive.htm (http://french.about.com/od/grammar/a/imperfectsubjunctive.htm)
Jean .. could It be this simple ? I dont have a simulator .. I would not know how to use one anyway :( I wonder if you'd be kind enough to plug this into your thing and muck about with it a bit , and see what it throws back at you ? osc type is a Royer if you have to select O0 those diodes very fast switching supposed to zero point swich and so hold resonance. exactly . regardless of load ???
(http://dnp.s3.amazonaws.com/b/b5/r%20bat.jpeg)
Hello Duncan,
Of course, I'm "kind enough". Actually, I'm very kind especially with 'like minded' people.
I'm far from an electronic guru.
This CCT seems tricky.
A kinda "Flip-Flop"? No?
Yet another very simple DC bat charger?
The CCT lacks of specifications.
But I could guess and try.
The simulator will not be able to 'simulate' the double coil.
I do not trust too much these simulators but they can be very usefull.
For the moment I have to have my eyes to sleep.
BTW: did you ever walk on fire?
Anybody can do it.
You just have to dare.
yes, It is this simple...
Gwella gourhemennou a-berz Yann.
@NerzhDishual
QuoteYou probably get no result. Actually you need a variable DC supply.
I have reproduced this CCT. It works when the DC supply is carefully tuned.
I was told this trick by a now deceased (and regretted) old witty 'OU guy' friend of mine.
I built the NDR as well and it works as claimed, I used a variable resistance to tune the circuit and as you say it has a very small region where it works well. I went on to replace the 2n2222 with reversed diodes using the breakdown voltage in the same way. A transistor is not unlike two diodes back to back with a very thin base doped as P or N. You may note some patents show diodes reversed and some have said this is a mistake but they are being used as a threshold detector. Generally we will see two diodes back to back and when the breakdown voltage is exceeded it conducts. However none of these are remotely close to the efficiency of a properly biased mosfet with the gate biased by a reference and the output.
I'm not sure why they call it a negative differential resistance nor why there seems to be so much interest in it to be honest. When the voltage hits X volts the transistor conducts then the resistor limits the current dropping the voltage and it stops conducting. It is essentially a low voltage spark gap oscillator and I have built identical circuits using NE2 neons. There are so many possibilities it boggles the mind :D
AC
Quote from: Duncan on 2014.01.15, 00:28:09
The induction cooker thing does relate Jean although I haven't managed to work out a way to bring it to hold series resonance on a LA battery . I did suggest it to Mike though because I'm sure an answer is there and so I'll explain a little more . Because you may see a way through ..
for something to be COP+ 1 series resonance is essential at some point. Its where transformation takes place.
An induction cooker ring transfer's all its energy to whatever is put on top of it by resonance .
It is actually series resonance and its automatic which is exactly what's required but I just can't quite see the last step to connect it a battery. :-[ it surly cant be just as simple as replacing L2 with a LA battery ... can it ???????
So as I see it .. and simplified , every induction cooker ring must adjust and become self resonant
a Royer oscillator is used to accomplish this Its a very simple circuit as described here
http://www.rmcybernetics.com/projects/DIY_Devices/diy-induction-heater.htm
(http://www.rmcybernetics.com/projects/DIY_Devices/diy-induction-heater.htm)it can obviously track the resonant point ... its really tracking parallel resonance but as one end of L1 must be the opposite phase to the other end the centre tap is clearly series resonance.
Its so very close but I just don't seem to see the last stupid bit.
Just out of interest Jean on this video of one of Tks devices you will see about the 6 min mark he's used a centre tap transformer for the same effect, to hold series resonance
he's then open tuned into a coax caduceus coil which is resonant at all frequencies ... that also might be a way forward .. I don't know much about the caduceus however...
Thank you Wings a very welcome contribution ,
http://tesla.zabotavdome.ru/ (http://tesla.zabotavdome.ru/) I think this requires its own thread ... VIP in its own right!
I used to work at RF and UHF to boot but quite some years ago and its a bit hazy now. .. I was wondering if the Royer would get up there where we need to be .. so to speak. That looks very promising ! My own testing indicates that LA cells ring up to infinity (or at least the limits of my instruments) on an overtone related sequence .
Rather the reverse of what Mike was doing and explaining here quite a long time ago
http://www.energeticforum.com/water-fuel/6431-none-electrolytic-splitting-h2o-4.html#post111774
Hence I asked for his help . Its really his own work and theory reversed and applied a little differently. .. at least that's how I see it.
Hi again Jean I just read through the Russian document via google translate . you'll see the standing wave condition I predicted is confirmed by the russian system ! all seems rosey in the garden ... so far! and of course a very relevant question the coil ? ..all of the information that was on the WWW regarding resonant battery charging seems to have been removed so I'm hosting some of the files off my computer onto my own server so you can at least have a look over them
http://dnp.s3.amazonaws.com/b/b6/battery resonance.pdf (http://dnp.s3.amazonaws.com/b/b6/battery%20resonance.pdf)
http://dnp.s3.amazonaws.com/b/b6/2010-05-26_000648_desulfator.pdf (http://dnp.s3.amazonaws.com/b/b6/2010-05-26_000648_desulfator.pdf)
http://dnp.s3.amazonaws.com/b/b6/leadacidbatterydesulfationpulsegener.pdf (http://dnp.s3.amazonaws.com/b/b6/leadacidbatterydesulfationpulsegener.pdf)
http://dnp.s3.amazonaws.com/b/b5/Battery pulse charger.pdf (http://dnp.s3.amazonaws.com/b/b5/Battery%20pulse%20charger.pdf)
I am obviously looking at things a very different way to these guys Jean and specifically at the magnetic current potential .
You will see there are methods for locating specific resonant points on any battery using a scope and signal generator. But obviously it changes all the time. The higher the frequency the more span and variation .. but also more accuracy is required . Its a compromise.
The figures generally talked about are 6 to 7 Mhz. But none of these guys has put two and two together and realised they are actually using magnetic current and the linear wave.
The one who is nearest tells us the battery is like a plucked guitar string. Going up to several MHz
... not quite right its not a sine wave ( harmonic) Its an overtone and if you get it right .. it goes on to infinity.
But as a starting point for the parallel resonant coil of the Royer what about 1 or 2 MHz ? Air wound or on ferrite ?
(http://dnp.s3.amazonaws.com/b/b6/bc.jpeg)
IMHO if you could stay perfectly on an overtone at UHF the battery would remain fully charged using a few milliwatts. But that's further on up the line ...
Just out of interest you can now start to see how machines like this were supposed to work
http://www.rexresearch.com/prentice/prentice.htm (http://www.rexresearch.com/prentice/prentice.htm)
can't you? ... In fact anything that was run from a LA battery starts to make sense doesn't it ?
Its all rather depends on what gets reflected back at the battery
Quote from: Duncan on 2014.01.15, 10:08:46
You will see there are methods for locating specific resonant points on any battery using a scope and signal generator. But obviously it changes all the time. The higher the frequency the more span and variation .. but also more accuracy is required . Its a compromise.
The figures generally talked about are 6 to 7 Mhz. But none of these guys has put two and two together and realised they are actually using magnetic current and the linear wave.
The one who is nearest tells us the battery is like a plucked guitar string. Going up to several MHz
... not quite right its not a sine wave ( harmonic) Its an overtone and if you get it right .. it goes on to infinity.
But as a starting point for the parallel resonant coil of the Royer what about 1 or 2 MHz ? Air wound or on ferrite ?
Duncan,
Reference your original video experiment carried out on your Grandmothers table posted on Energetic Forum. Please post a schematic of the setup showing the interconnections between battery and function generator and where your scope probes were placed. You gave no details of how your experiment was setup in the video.
@Duncan
QuoteIMHO if you could stay perfectly on an overtone at UHF the battery would remain fully charged using a few milliwatts. But that's further on up the line ...
A long time ago I asked a simple question... How do we ring a bell?. if we strike it with a single impulse slower than the natural resonant frequency it is dampened and if we strike it faster it oscillates at it's natural resonant frequency. It is interesting to note that most of the harmonics are not present in a dampened system. I found this is the easiest method, no calculating, no hunting for resonance. We "Ping" the system then listen for the echo and if we send the echo back we have continuous oscillations ie . positive feedback.
QuoteYou will see there are methods for locating specific resonant points on any battery using a scope and signal generator. But obviously it changes all the time. The higher the frequency the more span and variation .. but also more accuracy is required . Its a compromise.
I would agree, forced oscillations have major issues in themselves. Lately I have been working more on MPPT systems where a micro-controller hunts for the Maximum Power Point. They are awesome and I have applied them in many ways outside the context of there general use. For instance in your system I would track Power In, Voltage Rise on the battery then have the micro-controller hunt for the best frequency which generates the most power which relates directly to efficiency. In this case there is no set frequency only the best frequency at that time because it's always changing.
I have also used MPPT on AC induction motor/generators where Power in/out and shaft speed are monitored and as the load changes so does the input voltage and frequency which of course dictates current and phase differential. In which case it can also be said that there are no set input parameters. That is the inputs are wherever they need to be to operate most efficiently which equates to the Max Power Point. No searching, no experimenting we simply press a button and it does whatever it needs to do on it's own.
I was looking at your circuit again, you could opto-couple a voltage divider off the LA battery to bias the mosfet gates to set the frequency, the hunting is up to you.
AC
Hi hoopy that was some time ago , and done really only to prove a LA battery did have specific resonant points. The scope was straight across the battery and so was the function generator although I did have a 1 K resistor in series with the FG to provide a little protection.
later when I realised there was an overtone relationship I repeated the experiment using the CT of a transformer , that was much more conclusive but I didn't video it. as there was no input or interest at the time. which of course I regret now :(. If your familiar with the Fourier heterodyne of sine waves hoopy f1 f2 results f1+ f2 and f1 – f2 and f1 f2 you will discover that if f1 and f2 are fx6 apart for instance 200hz and 1200 hz then at no time in the subsequent remixing, do the frequencies interfere with one another . So you could visualise this (if you wished ) as the two fundamental frequencies and all their prodigy + and - going off into infinity imparting maximum possibly energy into whatever was being addressed. This then is how all the water fracture systems functioned . Two sine waves as close as its possible to get to 'perfect '
were beaten together ... The results ? Well you've all seen those, lots of water cars, and then lots of people dead , threatened , maimed injured imprisoned or locked up in asylums. Injecting two perfect sine waves into the battery then separated by x6F is also a possible solution which may be used and avoids the necessity of tracking resonance .
The overtone progression of this frequency string ... the inverse if you will ... is the overtone sequence 3rd 9th 15th in practice as noted on power lines these overtones are cumulative hence
'if you only knew the magnificence of 3 6 9 ' you can easily see where they are cumulative. obviously on 6 because of the f6 shown above
It is all knowledge of these overtones and, the maths and science behind them that has been hidden and obfuscated I rather hope it might produce a very nice battery charger in due course don't you? O0 .
thanks for your input AC I must confess I've never heard of these things but I'm rather more of an electrician and have more of a platonic, if not rustic relationship with higher electronics, although I do remember I made an egg timer once with a 555 that was quite successful providing you didn't shake it about to much.my mum liked it anyway!
I shall revise and consider what you write O0
Mm your right as usual magician .. more home work >:(( I got coils to wind !) :'( this was plan B now its sneaked up from behind on the inside track. good line of thought!
Just at the moment Magician the bits don't gell . In fact it kind of muddies the waters a bit. And makes me think two identical batteries side by side with an automatic change over every hour or so is the way to go. In such a fashion that the resonant impulse Is always being fed to an off line battery.
The reasons are legion and I thank you Magician for making me think on.
The major issue is monitoring power. As e2matrix has shown .. we are not using any . He's charging with a PF of 0,02 . as for the battery voltage at any instant in time I'm not sure that will help here; it vary with load applied due to volt drop across the batteries own internal resistance. I'm also not sure battery voltage means anything much. I think amps and hours are the thing. In turn I'm glad you had me focus on that because this is basically a tuned circuit and in turn depends particularly on hitting sharp resonant points. That demands a high Q point or at least as high as is possible Its already pretty low because a LA batteries internal R is inherently low.
So the selectivity and Q factor of the battery become very important
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/serres.html
adding load of any sort lowers the resistance of the tuned circuit alters the Q and resonance point. All for the worse. So my way of thinking just at the moment is go with a tuned circuit into an unloaded battery. We are already going to do the impossible ... why make harder?
this is the stuff we want ... lots of it
http://educate-yourself.org/zsl/teslaradiaantenergy14jan14.shtml
(http://educate-yourself.org/zsl/teslaradiaantenergy14jan14.shtml)
@Duncan
Quotethis is the stuff we want ... lots of it
http://educate-yourself.org/zsl/teslaradiaantenergy14jan14.shtml
Ah the old radiant energy gambit, I guess we will never know what is what unless we try. I remember an experiment a long time ago involving a 200KV DC generator, a quenched spark gap a la Tesla and some 8" polished stainless steel spheres. I was using the spheres as a capacitance in my circuit and I kept hearing this loud ssssT, sssssT noise from the spheres. At first I thought I had hit the resonant frequency of the spheres and I believe I may have as the sound was much like a load resonant "ting..." ,sssssT ting... .
Then the black residue (a very fine dust) started showing up on everything and as my spark gap was enclosed I didn't know what to make of it. As it turns out physical material, charged matter, was being ejected from the spheres. I didn't know it then but it has since been proven that matter is in fact a charge mosaic of both positive and negative charged particles interlocked with one another. Thus a surface can have unimaginable forces at play but have no net charge or external electric field. They are solely preoccupied with one another until they are motivated by an external force acting from within.
I see this quite a bit, when I discover something interesting then note it and years pass before a scientist makes some sense of it for me. It was only recently that I have been able to connect all the dots from years of experiments and research. Which is why I think you may be barking up the wrong tree with your circuit concerning radiant energy. It is not common knowledge but the radiant effect is defined solely by an extreme rise in potential/rate of change. I say potential because it is inclusive as an Emf at the surface which is the point of radiation ie.. moving outward, radiant, to radiate outward. Which of course relates directly to Faraday's Pail and why charges, that is the charged state always shows up at the surface despite the point of origin. So here we see geometry also comes into play as well. I never could understand how people talk of radiant energy but have no idea what it is nor why it is. It seems certain to me those who claim to understand either do not know anything or are not telling anyone, very strange.
I shouldn't have to spell this out but.... ejected matter/particles, carrying a massive charge with it, being repelled from it's own source without opposition, hitting something with a neutral charge....magic .
AC
Being but a simple soul magician I really cant understand most of that (honest) I do understand batteries are being charged almost exclusively with magnetic current. I have done it myself and now Pm's are coming in confirming others have also. The rights and wrongs I don't know .. C.C this as I explained was plan B . either way a big anomaly has shown up . Something that the science and the text books say should not happen ... does, something however I expected to happen , not because of the books and the theories, they are for the insane .. or people who want to be quickly driven insane
The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane." Tesla
Mad as Hatter's !! I go in this direction because I have seen huge lumps of it work Magician , Indeed there in the publications I have linked to . You can see they work, All the ambition is then, is to make it work much better and of course disassociate it with the stinking grid so there can be no doubt Luckily it's nothing to do with what you may or may not think or my theories or anyone Else's.(which is just as well some of my theories could send us to hell in a hand cart) Its already doing it ! Batteries are being charged with magnetic current ... so lets just KISS – KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID I don't need or want to know about ejected matter/particles, carrying a massive charge none of that piffle for me thank you or any of its ilk :o (well perhaps I do need to know but I'm to long in the tooth now ) what concerns here is I have reports of Batteries being restored and fully charged whilst the supply is reading a PF of cos θ 0,02 on laboratory instruments as I predicted, this obviously also compliments the web pages shown .. The ambition here then is easy to define ...Wiseman is already turning the meters backwards. Nothing to prove there , The reactive charging is confirmed , the anomalies are showing up on simulation software . Its simply a case of making it do it much better .
That is all. And I'm pretty sure how that is done and if I'm wrong .. we'll have a super duper battery chargers I'm sure O0
Hi People,
I still not have read the new messages and the quoted sites. :-[
I just want to post my first simulation of the proposed CCt by Ducan, here it is.
(http://freenrg.info/4OUR_F/Duncan_cct-sim-1.jpg)
http://freenrg.info/4OUR_F/Duncan_cct-sim-1.txt
More to come.
All the Best,
Jean
Battery charging off of BEMF. Same process as lighting a filament or neon bulb reactively. Juan Bedeeny motor. Testatika. The list goes on.
The BEMF is an electrostatic discharge. The collapse is natural and rebalancing is quick. The simplest is the Cockcroft-Walton, Villard Multiplier. Just another circuit attaining the same end. One can pump iron or air. The only differentiation in the circuit is what ones starting bias/viewpoint/experience is.
All attempts are merely routing the BEMF into a load. Configure the conductors in certain combinations to manipulate the voltage or current. Just depends on the load to drive.
Maintain circuit ringing for voltage or dampen for current.
My medication has hit. I have to put my head down now.
I took a one day "computer break" and now, I'm lost.. :(
Thanks to everybody for all your precious input.
Not yet digested.
To move the last GiantKiller's post again, these "Slayer Exciters" are really amazing:
(http://freenrg.info/4OUR_F/2N2219_Slayer_Exiter_Mod.jpg)
My version:
(http://freenrg.info/4OUR_F/My_2N1711_Slayer_Exiter.jpg)
à vide = idling
en charge = under load
Else, I can not resist (real candidate's paper):
(http://freenrg.info/4OUR_F/Find_X.jpg)
you have some of the picture giantkiller but there are also big differences, and IMHO your at least on the right track. to simplify this view electricity as a single entity made up of EMF or back EMF it is not possible to have a state of total EMF or Total back EMF it is possible to get very close however. as an example parallel resonance creates almost total EMF and no back EMF, introduce this EMF to a physical space and it becomes a radio wave . It is transformed and becomes the electromagnetic wave.
It this transformation and the ability to transmit and receive we are interested in. so yes in a way you are right however unlike a bedine machine for instance, this is not hit and miss . It is controlled resonance. a wireless receiver for magnetic current if you like. expect big things!
merci beaucoup Jean that looks very good ! also it hasn't blown up ! ;D whilst perhaps not 'perfect' yet, its on its way ! kind of you to take the time! O0
@NerzhDishual
QuoteTo move the last GiantKiller's post again, these "Slayer Exciters" are really amazing:
I would agree and I was building similar circuits when dinosaurs roamed the Earth,lol. I think it is relative and dependent on one's perspective. Is the slayer circuit any less amazing than the picture below, those are four foot fluorescent tubes under that power line.
AC
The picture you post Magician is a case in point your suggestion and training is that the lamps are being lit by the vibration of the gas molecules within the tube ,caused by a sympathetic resonance to the harmonics of the power line . That is .. that the lamps are parasitic on the power lines.
Where as IMHO nothing could be further from the truth, The grid Its self is a huge Di pole created by a generator some where . Or in this case perhaps lots of generators .
Magnetic current naturally in the ground and its symbiotic partner the electrostatic wave see the grid as an unnecessary abortion . An abuse and corruption of natures natural energy flow.
The power stations,, the grid, the foul stinking corruption of the oil and fuel industry behind it are all totally unnecessary, Its been known at least since Tesla's first power grid . It took Steinmetz to resolve the problems and commission it remember.
Magnetic current cannot reach the grid , it is restrained by insulators which used to be porcelain now many exotic materials of different shapes and sizes are used.
What you are actually seeing is energy flow from the earth to the grid in the form of overtones exciting the gas in the tubes as it passes through it.
.
What in the Hell is "magnetic current"?
@Duncan
QuoteWhat you are actually seeing is energy flow from the earth to the grid in the form of overtones exciting the gas in the tubes as it passes through it.
Actually I believe you however I would never use the term parasitic to describe any form of energy, I have too much respect for it. As well my formal training may help me understand many things relating to Energy however I use nature as my guide, Mother nature always wins.
Concerning the power lines what do you see in the picture, look closely. We see six bundled groups of conductors to make two three phase groups and they bundle the conductors to reduce losses generally termed leakage. Now look at the very top and we find one lone ground conductor used for lightning protection but where are all the other ground conductors?. Well they are not on the tower they are below it and all those little electrons get pushed and pulled in and out of the ground plane. There really is no set return path on transmission lines and the electrons never actually return they simply disperse into the ground plane. You see the source borrows electrons on one end just as it borrows electrons on the other reducing the number of conductors to carry a given load.
Think of it like this, we have an alternating (push/pull)water pump at a lake with a long pipe connected to another lake. Where does the alternating water come from?, the lakes. Where would the energy come from to power a load if we installed a water turbine on the pipe?, the pump. In this case the fluorescent lights would simply be water leak detectors.
So yes I would agree the energy is flowing from the earth through the fluorescent bulbs to the overhead conductors how could it not? it would be even if the bulbs were not present as the bulbs are simply detecting something already present. I guess you could say I don't discriminate in regards to energy, energy is energy any way we look at it.
FYI - India has the record for the highest line voltage at 1200 Kv UHV AC, Yikes.
AC
Quite right using the word parasitic is simply semantics as what I describe Isn't accepted and Its the nearest word that comes to hand that describes the state of affairs.
The next obvious step is, as an equal and opposite force is available directly from the ground .. use it directly, get rid of the oil,coal, gas, the grid and all the other destructive rotten mechanisms, including the powers that be and their criminal bankster friends who really are totally absolutely worthless parasites, (and I do use the word correctly here.)
simply use this freely available energy directly. That is the ambition and direction of this thread historically Kvar was called magnetic current (grumpy) and still is by Ed Leedskalnin' in his books, it is also known by some as telluric current. There is a very big something missing here you see ..
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/magnetic/magfor.html (http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/magnetic/magfor.html)
you tell me where is the B vector of the electric field ? Its possible to transmit on series resonance that's well known, so where's all the maths and science ? Buried that's where ! Conspiracy!! Its time for a very public exhumation its as simple as that. O0
Dear Duncan.
I felt you might find this of interest. There is a mention of magnetic current.
http://www.overunity.com/14211/lenzless-resonant-transformer/msg383438/#msg383438
Cheers Grum.
Thanks. I forgot about Ed's book.
http://freeenergynews.com/Directory/Magnets/Leedskalnin/Magnetic-Current_Edward-Leedskalnin_51pp.pdf
Dear Duncan.
As a carer and not so good house husband !! :) A thorough kitchen clean had to be done, more than the usual wipe down and that'll do !! :)
Upon moving the Microwave oven I was astonished to see a distinct line where the door joins the body !! See attached pic.
Maybe we can use Granite as a detector after all !
Cheers Grum.
well It seems like Sherlock says Grumage 'The games afoot' I'm afraid I'm not much on material science but something seems to be going on . could it be a moisture content heat thing ? I don't really know, perhaps you could have a word with your buddy in the trade before we get over excited. well noticed anyway Grum O0
Grum this link you posted has a nice PDF which Jack Noskills also provided.
http://www.overunity.com/14211/lenzless-resonant-transformer/msg383438/#msg383438
I attached his PDF
all that needs to happen is a nice clear input measurement and then a Quick fixed loss to ambient test will tell the rest.
Thx
Chet
Duncan: you are welcome.
Thanks Grumage (and Chet) for pointing out this OU dot Com promissing new thread.
"Lenzless resonant transformer. Jack NoSkills"
IMHO, Jack Noskills is a misnomer, I would call him "Jack NoTools" or "Jack NoMeters". No?
Page 6 of the pdf ".. as I have no meter..."
Page 7 : "Since I don't have any meter..."
Absolutely fabulous! So, he will not be nitpicked about the accuracy of his meters... :D
Actually, meters are strange devices.
when the results are consistent with the books, the meters are right.
As soon as the results are abnormal the meter are not accurate. :(
Kidding appart, what is, IMHO, the common denominator between
the Duncan's Christmas card, GotuLuc experiments and Jack Noskills findings?
A: resonance and capacitors. No?
Of course, this a froggy newbie consideration as I'm pretty sure that All Canadian, The Magician,
already built 'OU' devices just few femto seconds after the Big Bang... ;D
Cheers,
Jean
The overview You can get OU from a kitchen sink if you make it resonant!".
Hector D Perez Torres
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRWD7JOHypKUTTBLaJJCYF5hCOf1ZyVxGm4wKg4zhOMUSoRAnUV)
Thanks Grumage and Chet and Jean I like this bit of work by forest , In fact in general I like working on things where the guy has taken the pains to go step by step through the process describing the theory of operation . In that way you are not working like one of the 'Three blind mice' I find as forest has done getting to a scale of any sort is difficult, so you notice forest also goes into detail regarding Q factor . We are you see both viewing things as physical cause and effect with no regard to mathematics and proportion. You can see how both of us have written pages in order to get common understanding rather than a few lines of formula ? We must there is no option for us and there are no numbers and there is no scale. Let me try and explain that a little.
This picture it part of the classical description of the Lorentz / Einstein Force law which no doubt you all had a nodding acquaintance with whilst sitting on some hard school seat somewhere years ago.
(http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/magnetic/imgmag/lorfor2.gif)
(should you wish to 'lock horns' again for another tussle I pasted that picture from this web page
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/hframe.html (http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/hframe.html) fill your boots ! you can have all my share and more than welcome ;D)
And this my friends is the picture off the front of an old book of mine , representing a radio wave or to use the official jargon ' The electromagnetic wave' notice It is radiated at 90 deg to electricity as you normally perceive it . Electrical energy has been changed in the sense that
'Energy cannot be created or destroyed, it can only be changed from one form to another...
Bertie (https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/EreKH-lahHab9yzPRDiZPFKXMLosVSofb2s3szoJA3g=w85-h140-p)
so you can see radio waves are transmitted essentially on what you see as B .. the B field of electricity . Radio waves are pretty well understood , we have the maths and scale .
Radio waves either used in transmission or reception are a result of parallel resonance, look here's a simple crystal set , It doesn't get any more parallel resonant than this !
(http://users.whsmithnet.co.uk/m0dad/construcion/Crystal2.jpg)
SO...Radio = parallel resonance = B field of the magnetic field , Super! But then comes this little odd ball. Listen carefully to what EPD says at 1M45sec into this Video
SWR (standing wave ratio) of infinity to put that into electrical speak for you he is saying ..
transmitting with series resonance, he then proves it with demonstrations. That boys and girls alters every thing out of all recognition.
What does it mean for insane FE researchers ? (Oh yeah were all mad as Hatters tptb and big oil says so) It means that there must be a B field associated with the electric field, which makes sense don't you think ? After all everything likes to have a partner! look at the picture, So where is it? Why is it missing from the maths and science? Who decided humanity should be kept in a state of subservient ignorance ?
If the B field has been omitted and it clearly has, all the equivalent electrical effects are missing too!
Such is the case! There is not just a little piece of some jig saw to be fitted into place. There has been a huge concentrated and then sustained conspiracy to hide a whole dimension which still rages today.
This is why folks like myself and forest can only grope forward and can't really give size or windings or core materials , Its because all said and done we are working in a dimension we can only see as a reflection. Like a fun fair hall of mirrors, will the lady be fat or thin ? we know there must be a reflection but have no idea what size or shape Its going to be. Or if it can be scaled. we have to skate in area's you know as Infinitesimal , Infinite and chaos and try to make something that makes sense and works .
It even transpires that because magnetic conditions change from one point to another on our globe the machines will operate differently or not at all without re-tuning as you move from place to place.
They can also be rendered useless by someone with the knowledge of how to do it. As Steorn discovered with the oboe project. C.C They filled the big top with spectators ... rolled the machine out onto the sawdust ... pushed the button at about the same time agent X did in the crowd ... and then red faced had to roll the machine away gain !
Welcome to the world of free energy research ... O0
Quote from: Duncan on 2014.01.15, 23:43:16
Hi hoopy that was some time ago , and done really only to prove a LA battery did have specific resonant points. The scope was straight across the battery and so was the function generator although I did have a 1 K resistor in series with the FG to provide a little protection.
later when I realised there was an overtone relationship I repeated the experiment using the CT of a transformer , that was much more conclusive but I didn't video it. as there was no input or interest at the time. which of course I regret now :(. If your familiar with the Fourier heterodyne of sine waves hoopy f1 f2 results f1+ f2 and f1 – f2 and f1 f2 you will discover that if f1 and f2 are fx6 apart for instance 200hz and 1200 hz then at no time in the subsequent remixing, do the frequencies interfere with one another . So you could visualise this (if you wished ) as the two fundamental frequencies and all their prodigy + and - going off into infinity imparting maximum possibly energy into whatever was being addressed. This then is how all the water fracture systems functioned . Two sine waves as close as its possible to get to 'perfect '
were beaten together ... The results ? Well you've all seen those, lots of water cars, and then lots of people dead , threatened , maimed injured imprisoned or locked up in asylums. Injecting two perfect sine waves into the battery then separated by x6F is also a possible solution which may be used and avoids the necessity of tracking resonance .
The overtone progression of this frequency string ... the inverse if you will ... is the overtone sequence 3rd 9th 15th in practice as noted on power lines these overtones are cumulative hence
'if you only knew the magnificence of 3 6 9 ' you can easily see where they are cumulative. obviously on 6 because of the f6 shown above
It is all knowledge of these overtones and, the maths and science behind them that has been hidden and obfuscated I rather hope it might produce a very nice battery charger in due course don't you? O0 .
Hi Duncan,
Thanks for your reply. You may be interested in the following circuit I use for charging and conditioning SLA batteries. This design operates at around 2.5Mhz and does a good job at reducing sulfate deposits in reasonably good condition SLA batteries. The first waveform is scoped at X1 with probe at the Q1 emitter pin and clip on the supply battery 0V rail. The second waveform is with probe at the base of Q2 and the third waveform is scoped directly across the charging battery. This charger once connected will begin to reduce the terminal voltage of an out of condition SLA, whilst pushing an appreciable current up to around 1.0A, indicating that desulfation is taking place and internal resistance is dropping. I have seen this commonly take place using ###### chargers but this design appears to more efficient in this respect. I think that the 2.5MHz is causing a resonance in the battery and as you have suggested could be the case with frequencies at this level. This is a very easy circuit to build, so give it a try.
Hoppy,
How long roughly does it take to charge a battery, say a 7Ah with your circuit?
Quote from: poynt99 on 2014.01.19, 21:23:08
Hoppy,
How long roughly does it take to charge a battery, say a 7Ah with your circuit?
Poynt99,
It much depends on the condition of a battery but generally a full charge for this size battery would be within 20hrs.
Hi Hoopy thanks for your circuit and observations, Its important to realise I have been chasing this rabbit a long time! :-[ Focusing on battery resonance is if you like the end of six or seven entirely different investigations.
One on the mathematics of crystal oscillators, another on the temporary phenomenal energy available from the three battery generating system on the energetics forum. Which in turn IMHO depends on the LA battery being held at resonance.
With these pulse chargers and of course the Bedine SSGs they all have in common the LA battery
is at series resonance at some stage.
My belief then is that if series resonance can be found and held on the battery despite rapidly changing conditions then the battery would remain fully charged.
I introduced these resonant chargers just to stress the importance of resonance. Strange how we all talk of de sulphating a battery as so much hum drum these days, folks need to take a deep breath,and remind themselves they are doing something considered impossible.
Just adding to that Hoopy none of these resonance chargers are actually anywhere near resonance
when we discover a way to track it and stay tuned then I think you'll see the feathers fly! O0
this video strange as it may seem relates to how I see the magnetic version running .. although of course he isn't running at resonance , and the permanent magnets and the wheel are replaced with electro magnets and electronics
Its perhaps a bit difficult to see the relationship, but I hope you do, O0
Quote from: Duncan on 2014.01.20, 02:41:20
My belief then is that if series resonance can be found and held on the battery despite rapidly changing conditions then the battery would remain fully charged.
I introduced these resonant chargers just to stress the importance of resonance. Strange how we all talk of de sulphating a battery as so much hum drum these days, folks need to take a deep breath,and remind themselves they are doing something considered impossible.
Just adding to that Hoopy none of these resonance chargers are actually anywhere near resonance
when we discover a way to track it and stay tuned then I think you'll see the feathers fly! O0
Duncan,
A battery cannot be charged and discharged at the same time, so I cannot see how a a battery can be held in a resonant condition, especially during rapidly changing loading conditions. I accept that it is not possible to completely clean battery plates of sulfate but I believe it is possible to improve the exposed active lead area of the plates, thereby improving the condition of a battery by reducing its internal resistance.
Hoppy I could equally say a battery cannot be charged with AC or pulsating DC. I might also add that a battery cannot be charged with reactive current ... magnetic current, but each and every one of those things you see happening. If your convinced none of these things are actually happening and you really really want to believe the official dogma .. go ahead. I know Its otherwise because I've done it and seen it. That's a very different proposition to what you may or may not believe.
Doing things and pontificating are very different affairs. Here is a PM for instance off someone who built and tried the stupid one capacitor thing I suggested .. instead of imagining
Thank You. Actually this very crude circuit seems to do good job. I like it very much and plan to add voltmeter and ammeter and maybe electronic protection circuit watching current output and voltage output. I like much the voltage slowly dropping from 30V now I have 18V and I expect real charging when it fall below 14V so that is very predictive way to desulphate battery.
My battery now sits on 11,5V while it was completely dead yesterday (0V).
But of course Its not the does or doesn't it work that I'm interested in I know it works, (Its you who doesn't!) Its holding that state of resonance. As for charging and discharging at the same time .. its not ideal as I wrote above . But by no means impossible I can only assume you know very little of electrical systems and are not familiar with de coupling . Without going into to much detail and loosing you hopelessly de coupling separates an AC component from a DC component and can be as simple as a Capacitor which is indeed the case here . I'd love to go into some very basic electrical theory for you but It would take far to long
(http://sub.allaboutcircuits.com/images/quiz/00825x01.png)
But just a very simplistic explanation , in the circuit above the 47 uf capacitor is effectively a DC block. Whilst the 100 uf capacitor in the emitter leg of the transistor (that's the one with the pointy arrow) removes the AC content . In order that the transistor remains what we call biased correctly.
You will see in this system there is both a DC block in the form of a capacitor allowing the AC through (at a resonant frequency in our case) whilst blocking DC, There is also a huge sink for the resonant signal in the form of the battery itself .
Its obviously quite a lot to grasp for someone obviously from a mechanical background , but of course its quite possible to charge with AC whilst using DC Its done all the time . Quite where you have got this impossible notion from I have no Idea. Anyway I guess everyone has to start somewhere I've had a good search around the WWW for some material that might introduce you to some very basic electrical theory whilst not taxing too much .This I think you'll find as good as anyfor a basic introduction . It covers most of the important aspects you really need to try and get a basic grasp of. It might take a few weeks to get up to speed but I'm sure you'll find it worthwhile in the end!
http://www.ibiblio.org/kuphaldt/electricCircuits/AC/ (http://www.ibiblio.org/kuphaldt/electricCircuits/AC/)
enjoy .. kind regards Duncan
Duncan,
If you carry on being disrespectful to people, you will end up speaking to yourself on this thread. :(
Hoopy
well thats not very nice is it ? try to do some one a good turn! If you think pointing out a total lack of basic understanding and recommending some schooling to try and remedy the ignorance is .. 'disrespectful' you've got that very wrong .
who can make the connection? your looking at the same circuit here ... I promise , can you join the dots ? its not at resonance .. but still
Further to my earlier post, an adjustable LM338 voltage regulator set to output 16V would be a better choice for this charger conditioner. This will ensure that the battery is taken up to over 15V, which IMO is important with SLA's to ensure cell equalisation and therefore optimum condition.
Quote from: Hoppy on 2014.01.20, 20:26:17
Further to my earlier post, an adjustable LM338 voltage regulator set to output 16V would be a better choice for this charger conditioner. This will ensure that the battery is taken up to over 15V, which IMO is important with SLA's to ensure cell equalisation and therefore optimum condition.
Hoppy,
What kind of diode is the 1N4008? What diode can be used there instead of the 1N4008?
GL.
Joined by lots of Giants ... all because of a silly Christmas card! Well boy's and girls I know a lot of you are having difficulty following my logic and It may seem an awful long way from this TPU of Steve Marks
(http://dnp.s3.amazonaws.com/b/b6/Steve%20Mark%20working.jpg)
Which is of course the envy and ambition of all in the Free energy world to this half finished abortion sitting on and old chair in a half finished extension. Awaiting more copper wire to be delivered!
(http://dnp.s3.amazonaws.com/b/b6/Steve%20Mark.jpg)
(looking nice in pink don't you think ?) it may seem a long way, away from the Christmas card ambition of not so very long ago,
(http://dnp.s3.amazonaws.com/b/b6/CC2.jpg)
and It doesn't look like a toroid any more does it? Well It may not physically look like a toroid but magnetically I have Still got four separate cores and four separate air gaps. In other words magnetically I have the same circuit . The circuit boards you see are a variable oscillator driving an H bridge which can reverse the polarity applied to the four primary coils which I intend to be the four bottom coils consisting of 2500 turns on each leg. The H bridge in practice can reverse polarity between a few Hz and Severn or eight Khz
The top four coils of course will feed the load having reversed one set in order to reverse the lenz effect as I explained in the PDF
It will not have escaped your eagle eye that this is very close to Ed Leedskalnin's PM holder
x4 and I don't think it's an accident .
I actually scaled my number of windings off Ed's numbers in his book in the absence of any other information ... Thank's Ed!
You can see I hope that cores A,B,C and D remain unchanged, also the principle of operation remains unchanged , But Remember my ambition was always to explain how and why this system works .. and how very easy it will be to build your own . As soon as you grasp what I am doing and why I am doing it .
Fate has just handed me a huge bonus card in my struggle to explain what is happening ,another researcher unbeknown to me has utilised the very same principles ! I was alerted to this work by this lone plea on energetics forum
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/16528-looking-some-input-build.html
whilst I'm not sure what Rufus has in mind the Video had a huge impact on me , I hope it does on you in a very short while! I have made this still .. to try and explain
(http://dnp.s3.amazonaws.com/b/b6/Angus.jpg)
This machine by the way looks as much like my assembly, as my assembly does to Steve Mark's machine! (not much resemblance is there ? ;D).Not to you perhaps but to my eye they are all identical .
The permanent magnets and the drive motor of this machine have been replaced by electromagnets driven by a variable frequency H bridge in my Christmas card to you guy's.
So of course the induced magnetism is much better and It 's relatively easy to find and run at resonance with the Christmas card I have drawn for you . A and B then are doing exactly the same job here as the cores A and B shown on the Christmas card and above as this concept takes shape.
Here is 2tuff2 giving a description of his investigation into the work of Anguswangus and of course ... Ed
So guys does that join a few more dots up for you? There's Steve Mark , joined at the hip with Edward Leedskalnin, explained as best as I could on a Christmas card , another incarnation of it translated as best as I can and shown here demonstrated by 2tuff2 from work by Angus the wangus
http://www.youtube.com/user/MrAnguswangus/videos?view=0
(http://www.youtube.com/user/MrAnguswangus/videos?view=0)
So perhaps the technical description of 2tuff2 isn't quite laboratory standard , never the less the result is exactly as I predicted .. lenz law can be reversed!
Quote from: Groundloop on 2014.01.20, 22:19:13
Hoppy,
What kind of diode is the 1N4008? What diode can be used there instead of the 1N4008?
GL.
Hi Groundloop,
Apologies, this is wrongly labelled. It should read 1N5408. The 1N4008 is a high voltage diode that I used originally and later changed but forgot to update the schematic. I have re-posted a corrected schematic below.
An adjustable LM317 voltage regulator could also be used mounted on a large heat sink. R3 should be increased to 330R, so as to reduce maximum charging current to around 1.3A which is within the 1.5A maximum for the LM317. The value of R3 should be selected to limit the maximum current to within a safe level for the particular voltage regulator used.
Quote from: Hoppy on 2014.01.21, 10:29:41
Hi Groundloop,
Apologies, this is wrongly labelled. It should read 1N5408. The 1N4008 is a high voltage diode that I used originally and later changed but forgot to update the schematic. I have re-posted a corrected schematic below.
An adjustable LM317 voltage regulator could also be used mounted on a large heat sink. R3 should be increased to 330R, so as to reduce maximum charging current to around 1.3A which is within the 1.5A maximum for the LM317. The value of R3 should be selected to limit the maximum current to within a safe level for the particular voltage regulator used.
Hoppy,
Thanks. :-)
GL.
Well I have to report a disappointment or at least something I didn't expect. C.C... I got so far .. I could transfer power at resonance across the Iron's which was in the plan and what you'd expect ! (Surprisingly the Iron can carry a sine wave well into the MHz without distortion)
I had resonance set at about 8 Khz by measurment as soon I pushed closer towards series resonance despite initially trying this with an H bridge rated at 8 amps and a PSU with current fold back set at 3 Amps . The H bridge chip was destroyed almost instantly .. well 30 or 40 seconds anyway . The chip became so hot it actually un soldered itself from the board. I don't know quite what to make of that at the moment and am having some reflective time . I'm starting to consider a spark gap or vibrating contact .. there's certainly something out of the ordinary going on here but I don't have it nailed down .. yet. onwards onwards
Off Topic Post? You decide....
I had a, lost to follow up, friend of mine (very good mathematician and latinist) who is very similar
physically appearance wise (two peas in a pod) with Eric P. $d.
Apparently, psychologically wise similar person too, as he likes to bewilder/perplex people with sibylline/crypic statements.
For ex:
EPD: ...it suffices to multiply by the square root of minus one.
My friend: In an ultametric space all triangles are isosceles or equilateral.
This kinda assertion poses you as a Very Intelligent Person. No?
IMHO, this is just a bl' f' big Ego driven childish behavio(u)r. No?
In the EPD vids, I would have been very pleased to listen:
Look people! What I will tell you can only be fully understood by persons who are aware of "complex numbers" calculus
(that is very simple indeed) and also of some basic 'transmission line' theoretical stuffs, not so complicated too
for slightly maths oriented persons.
So, the deal would had been clear...
Instead of that, EPD is asking kinda: "how many people are understanding what I'm saying"
10%? Apparent EPD Ego satisfaction...
This ain't f' fair at all!
I'm now 66YO. When I was about 27YO I used to be a 'teacher' for adult people and I would had been fired, should
I badly-behaved so. Only 10% of the audience? >>> fired!
Fed up with gurus...
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Fortunately, a couple of days ago, I stumbled upon a (1945) French book (about alternative stuffs) in my library that
BTW, quote Charles Proteus Steinmestz.
And, Lo and Behold, I'm beginning to understand few things...
But, as a Right Brain oriented person, maths are not my cup of tea.
Indeed not my cup of tea explained by Left Brained individual, of course.
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Pedagogy is what I do like and I dare to boast being a very efficient 'teacher'.
A good pedagogue/educationalist is, IMHO, a person that have experienced huge difficulties understanding stuffs.
Once he get the picture and should he (preferably) be Right Brained (so: creative) that he will finally be able to "instruct".
... And get back extensive "haha" from the audience.
I experienced this. This was really amazing and full of perceived gratitude.
This only works when the 'pedagogue' is modest and not showing-off.
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Hag va revr gant al laboused bihan!
Jean