spit the pips out of this! this was plan B
There are many on this forum I'm quite sure who have built COP>1 machines .. In fact I know there are , I hate to sound blasé but I tire of them a little , and I see quite clearly that most of you are not interested in the old machines .. regardless of if they are shown to work or not. and really I've only had little flashes of success!. still who could ask for anything more? Of course some insist it cant work , perhaps in the hope that their particular machine might have some merit when the madness stops .. if it ever does, and earn some dollars. Its not going to happen is it?
Its a forlorn hope as Mike said .. I'm been well and truly screwed ! ;D happy new year !
OK here's the proposition , Lets build the simplest .. cheapest .. most powerful .. free standing power unit . I can see how to do it I think anyway read though the proposition .. but there are ( like everyone I'm sure) bits of technology I know nothing about .. I cant write any sort of computer code for instance, I'm on not very firm ground with phase locked loops and feed back control systems . But I do know it can be done and probably on something the size of a matchbox for all I know. Maybe one of these arduino things people seem to be playing might do it all for I know!
You see I'm really a heavy power guy but with some radio and electronics training but its dated . Still I can see how most of these machines work . And of course "a fevered brow can know no rest"
The mind starts making it ... better, faster, smaller , cheaper I have it as far as I can go without help
Jean PM'd me and said she'd have a go at the programming, if one or two electronics guys would like to step in too I guess here a perhaps 5 KW free standing unit which is solid state can be made for about $40. But like I say I can only point out the how it works ... why it works and what has to be done to keep it 'on song' I need serious help with the control loop. the basics you can easily test .. either a lead acid battery will charge with magnetic current ...or it wont.
This really concerns Lead acid batteries or to be more correct every single free energy machine or patent you ever looked at that was connected to a lead acid battery .In other words the answer to hundreds of machines. You see everybody seems to carefully read what Tesla says and then ignore the key points ... peculiar . You must consider the whole circuit . No body does. They go off into the garage and bash and bang and make all sorts of contraptions .. I know I've made rather to many myself ... ;D connect it to their battery. Mostly Its a failure of course .. just now and again a glimpse of success perhaps . Little do they stop for one minute to consider the battery might be just might be the miracle machine. And the burst of brilliance was nothing to do with their masterpiece . Well I'm afraid It seems to me that's exactly the case .
Impress into your head that whatever else is being asked of that battery you are asking it to supply a load whilst remaining full charged . It can and it does, but its very rare and you have to do some very special things to make sure it keeps doing it.
Jean asked what the 3BGS was when I mentioned it .. just another battery system one of those epics 100 odd page things that trundles on and on ad infinitum but now and again almost by accident ... the machines would go off .... wow did they, This really then is about how and why and can it be controlled. It is not about if it can or cant it read through that thread (as much as you can stick anyway) a few pages should do it ;D and you'll see it done time and time again . Its about how and why I think it worked and what can be done to make it keep working, and as you'll see I don't think its anything to do with motors. (apart from impulse)
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/10610-3-battery-generating-system.html#post180456 (http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/10610-3-battery-generating-system.html#post180456)
It caught my Interest for a while , Indeed I have commented on it recently I can't prevail, that its nothing to do with the the hundreds of motors and paraphernalia that goes with I could not make them understand Its perhaps to painful I don't know ..I got so frustrated I directly told one of the main contributors who I know and have met personally that he must be an agent ... ah well that's frustration. :( It didn't go down well I'm afraid , with out the baggage I'm sure I can move better here.
First I would like you to try and grasp that there is a totally different sort of electricity running alongside the electricity you are used to. Your instruments don't see it and for the most part you are unaware of it.
Where's it hiding and how was it hidden ? It was hidden many years ago possibly thousands for all I know one of the main conspirators in the modern age is Einstein . The E =MC2 Chappie , he and a co conspirator Lorentz wrote a piece of fiction that has had the dog chasing its own tail for years . Its called 'the Lorentz force law' so lets have a quick look at what forces are involved in any electricity, first there is this one .. electrostatic force .. (which incidentally is the one your being kept away from)
It exists alight here's its pedigree all mapped out by coulomb
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/elefor.html (http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/elefor.html)
there is another another force involved in any electricity which you are probably much more familiar with the electromagnetic force
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/magnetic/magfor.html (http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/magnetic/magfor.html)
Now notice regarding the Lorentz/Einstein force law the two components . Vectored at 90deg to the electromagnetic force is of course the electromagnetic wave much better known to you as the radio wave I'm sure
Its acknowledged and we have lots of maths and theory on the electromagnetic wave
but what of its cousin the electro static component where's all the information maths and theory on its 90deg vectored component? Where is all the maths science and theory on the electrostatic wireless wave ... missing .. gone .. omitted .. obfuscated .. why ? Can't you guess ? Suckers .
Wavewatcher quote
Reactive power does no useful work in the electrical load and does not load the source.
All it takes to believe this are simple experiments and the ability to correctly interpret the results.
This is probably the most repeated 'OH! I've just discovered something NEW!' to be seen in these parts.
Wrong .. wrong ... wrong :-[ (I should hope so) ;D Having said that of course your 99% correct and you know it! but wave watcher ;D its the exception that is really interesting and shows the way through the maze. It only needs one exception and the determination to exploit it and this game is over . And IMHO it is, but before you can help your going to have to prove this to yourself .. ;D or pehaps dis prove it to me ! what I saw was pretty convincing though! I've been messing a long time and an iced battery In double quick time was new for me!
So here's the plan .... take a lead acid battery , feed a huge load with electromagnetic energy .. the stuff your used to ... whilst at the same time recharging the battery with the electrostatic energy (that does not exist) .
Lets start with something controversial . I say .. In theory its quite possible to charge a lead acid battery using no power what so ever whilst breaking none of the known laws of physics. . ( perhaps a smidgen of power .. poetic licence ya know) but you'll get it back in spades.
First Maxwell's laws as pertaining to a lead acid battery tells you quite clearly that the charge of the battery is simply dependant on amps and hours . You don't buy a 5KW/h battery do you?
Of course not you buy a 100 amp/hr battery ... It will deliver 1 amp for 100 hrs or 50 amps for 2 hours and it charges in much the same way.
Now before I can move on I need you to confirm for yourself s either by experiment or by sheer weight of evidence that this statement I make here is correct . If you do the capacitance charging near resonance experiment you'll know it is .. (if don't blow yourself up)
the statement ... its a bit scary ,, I thought was a bit of an understatement .... old knackered totally sulphate battery .. straight on the grid ?? :o
The battery requires Amps and Time, you'll find the battery will charge regardless if those amps are part of the "real power component or if those amps are 'Reactive 'so to enlarge I am suggesting to you that if you can hold a lead acid battery in a state of series resonance or near to it ..where the current is at a maximum and the voltage negligible the battery will charge very quickly using minimal in fact virtually no power .. because power =VI cos θ is approaching zero
that is cos θ is approaching zero and θ is approaching 90deg.
I have now seen this effect many times .. Its very difficult to hold because of course the battery conditions change very quickly, with load and charge state,
This is what I did that convinced me .. this passage
When you hear the sulfate crystals buzzing and crackling inside the battery, you know something amazing (and kind of scary) is happening. From this web page is quite true .. kind of scary might be an understatement
http://www.johnsavesenergy.com/CapacitiveBatteryCharger.html#.UsV_G_trTUI (http://www.johnsavesenergy.com/CapacitiveBatteryCharger.html#.UsV_G_trTUI)
a talented youngster holding a battery in resonance
This is Igor running a Royer oscillator which being zero point switching gets closer than most to holding resonance with a feed back to source.
Now as I try and post the links and research work I did earlier on this subject I find them decimated like this
Pulse charging can bring lead-acid batteries from 0 to 80% in 15 minutes and from 0 to .... and increase the Q giving you an unmistakable resonance point.
You've visited this page many times. Last visit: 01/01/14
If you got to that site you'll find its been decimated .. It that fashion that we know so well . However some time ago I put it on my hard drive ... I have found it. Transferred it to a PDF and then hosted it. I put the link here because I would like you to read it ! regardless of what you may think of my scribble I suggest you save this PDF tptb don't like it all !
http://dnp.s3.amazonaws.com/b/b5/Battery pulse charger.pdf (http://dnp.s3.amazonaws.com/b/b5/Battery%20pulse%20charger.pdf)
This Radio Ham has got very close . Had he actually managed to keep the impulse on that battery tracking the series resonant point the game would be all over !
The thing is you cannot see the series resonant reaction it would be rather like me wishing to see current . No can do! You can however see and monitor the parallel resonant state of things. In fact here is a pretty poor video of me doing exactly that a year or so ago
of course much water under the bridge since then ! Although still essentially correct. I can add considerably to this ... first the battery resonant state alters to the x6 F pattern as pointed out by MJN . The battery charges extremely quickly on the impulse wave ... in fact as I say on the video I watched the terminal post ice up on one . The battery resonant cascade I have followed up to 3Mhz
which is the limit of my FG. I have little doubt its actually doing what Marcus Ried says here
so to put this in a nut shell ... you can see and monitor a parallel resonant point .. (not a clue how to do that, but I guess its doable) phase locked loop .. scanning whatever , however its actually series resonance that's required in order to charge the battery with Magnetic current.
So what's the relationship between parallel resonance and series resonance ? The formulas are the same , but the velocity is different by Pi/2 as explained by EPD here
so that's in free space Its going to be different in a battery but still a linear relationship .
so here's the challenge to my mind ....constantly inject and scan a a wave so the highest available parallel resonant point is known .
Based on that return result change the wave form to an impulse based on the pi/2 relationship
is it do – able girls and boys ? .. or is it just to big an ask?
Quote from: Duncan
There are many on this forum I'm quite sure who have built COP>1 machines .. In fact I know there are , I hate to sound blasé but I tire of them a little , and I see quite clearly that most of you are not interested in the old machines .. regardless of if they are shown to work or not. and really I've only had little flashes of success!. still who could ask for anything more? Of course some insist it cant work , perhaps in the hope that their particular machine might have some merit when the madness stops .. if it ever does, and earn some dollars. Its not going to happen is it?
It is doubtful that any man will ever build any machine
which is anything close in its efficiency to the lowly Ant.
Or the Bumblebee. Or even ourselves.
We're constantly looking in the wrong places for the
"secrets."
Hello Ducan,
Just few words. I still have not 'digested' your huge post.
I would be very happy with only 500 watts (or less). Just a nice " proof of concept and an "emergency" device.
That is all I need.
Yes! It is impossible.. But I'm a complete ass and as daft as a brush (like all the 'OU' guys). :-X
I do not want to get off the grid. It is the best way to be frowned upon by TPTB (TBTW?).
Is it not the top method?
I did not even know what "Phase Locked Loop (PLL) was.
You can measure the extend of my ignorance....
Apparently, it exist 2 types of this system:
An electronic one.
A software" one.
I'm, now, a little bit rusty (software-design-wise) but I guess that I'm still able to read (and understand)
a program and even to translate it in another 'computer- language'...
Googling "software PLL Arduino" seems to give some results.
So: Yes, I'm game!
All the Best,
Jean
Quote from: Dumped on 2014.01.03, 18:18:34
It is doubtful that any man will ever build any machine
which is anything close in its efficiency to the lowly Ant.
Or the Bumblebee. Or even ourselves.
We're constantly looking in the wrong places for the
"secrets."
This has always amazed me, how little energy is input to living creatures vs. energy output.
Consider that water+oats+hay+ horse+oxygen= horsepower all day long.
At the end of the day what is the caloric value of the dried dung? I'm sure someone must have done this study.
Are we merely oxidation engines working on known chemistry or do we tap into some deeper energies?
Well so as to not be sitting on my cold hands all day I decided it was time to try a little test with the capacitive charging idea in mind. Taking my 1.5HP 3 phase motor I had previously used to light a 60 watt bulb off the other leg I decided to take that output and run it through a capacitor, FWBR and charge the battery that is running the inverter which is running the motor. Looped. Very inefficient Black and Decker 750 watt inverter I got at a garage sale for $10. The 12 volt battery is quite small and light. It's inside one of those cheap $20 emergency car starters. From the size of the package and weight I'd guess it's probably around a 7AH maybe 12AH at most. Most of the time I tried starting the motor it killed the inverter overloading it. I was using a start cap of 60uf on the motor and trying to quickly switch to a 5uf run cap. Once in a while I was able to catch it just right and the motor would continue to run. When it did finally catch and keep running the battery started at 11.96 volts and went up from there to about 12.06 volts. I let it run at least 5 minutes and it stayed right at 12.06 volts. If I disconnected the output from the motor leg that was charging the battery the whole thing immediately quit. On one longer run it did finally start to drop to 12.05 volts.
Considering the inefficiency of that inverter I was quite surprised it kept running that long while losing no more voltage on the battery. A watt meter on the motor input indicated it was pulling around 110 watts. Very unscientific test but none the less I found it interesting. The motor had good torque and I wondered if it was spinning an alternator if that might not have added enough power to the input to keep the battery charging up. On another test I tried using another inverter. Clip leads everywhere. One must have gotten shorted as it went up in smoke and flames. End of test for today LOL.
The Youtube button does not work.
Just try to post a message with:
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The 2 vids quoted in the Ducan's post were:
"Marcus Reid Crystal Converter Battery - Casimir Effect - Part 1"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-wzLhzBH3Y
and
"Part 1 of 6: Eric Dollard Tesla Longitudinal wave Energy SBA"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhuSn6sc7sc
Voila...
Hi E2Matrix,
(http://freenrg.info/Pic/E2Matrix_Setup.jpg)
Right?
LOL = MDR (Mort de rire (Fr))... ;D
Positively, thanks to Ducan, this 2014 year might be very interesting...
Cheers!,
Jean
Quote from: e2matrix on 2014.01.03, 20:34:12
Well so as to not be sitting on my cold hands all day I decided it was time to try a little test with the capacitive charging idea in mind. Taking my 1.5HP 3 phase motor I had previously used to light a 60 watt bulb off the other leg I decided to take that output and run it through a capacitor, FWBR and charge the battery that is running the inverter which is running the motor. Looped. Very inefficient Black and Decker 750 watt inverter I got at a garage sale for $10. The 12 volt battery is quite small and light. It's inside one of those cheap $20 emergency car starters. From the size of the package and weight I'd guess it's probably around a 7AH maybe 12AH at most. Most of the time I tried starting the motor it killed the inverter overloading it. I was using a start cap of 60uf on the motor and trying to quickly switch to a 5uf run cap. Once in a while I was able to catch it just right and the motor would continue to run. When it did finally catch and keep running the battery started at 11.96 volts and went up from there to about 12.06 volts. I let it run at least 5 minutes and it stayed right at 12.06 volts. If I disconnected the output from the motor leg that was charging the battery the whole thing immediately quit. On one longer run it did finally start to drop to 12.05 volts.
Considering the inefficiency of that inverter I was quite surprised it kept running that long while losing no more voltage on the battery. A watt meter on the motor input indicated it was pulling around 110 watts. Very unscientific test but none the less I found it interesting. The motor had good torque and I wondered if it was spinning an alternator if that might not have added enough power to the input to keep the battery charging up. On another test I tried using another inverter. Clip leads everywhere. One must have gotten shorted as it went up in smoke and flames. End of test for today LOL.
Dear e2matrix.
Quote " When it did finally catch and keep running the battery started at 11.96 volts and went up from there to about 12.06 volts. I let it run at least 5 minutes and it stayed right at 12.06 volts. If I disconnected the output from the motor leg that was charging the battery the whole thing immediately quit. " Unquote.
So If I read the above correctly you are suggesting the battery charge current was actually sustaining the motor ?? From that information alone it would surely give credence to the Chas Campbell system ??
I thank you for posting as I am about to put my rather better mechanical skills than electronic ones, with a stab at the above !!
Cheers Grum.
NerzhDishual yes that's basically the diagram except there is a 14uf 120 volt capacitor in series with the output from one of the legs of the 3 phase motor before it's connected to the FWBR. Also the motor has a start cap of 60uf and is switched out once running for a 5uf cap. All these values could probably be improved on - it's just what I had on hand.
Grumage, it's not really a Chas Campbell setup as his has a flywheel and even more importantly it's a motor running a separate generator. I've just got one motor in this setup but since it's 3 phase I found the unused leg has power that I was originally using to light a 60 watt bulb (to roughly 4 or 5 times the brightness of it when plugged directly into 120VAC). Diagram below shows a 60 watt bulb - now that's an inverter with a cap in series before the FWBR going back to the battery as NerzhDishual showed in his diagram.
BTW I've been trying this with a Walmart Inverter but it does not seem to be working. It can run the motor from the inverter off the battery but as soon as I hook up the other leg on the motor to the cap and FWBR to the battery everything stops. I'm guessing there is something not isolated in this inverter that is isolated on the other one. I've tried all combo's of polarities coming from the motor but no luck so far. So if you can't get this to work it may be an inverter design issue.
For clarification:
Motor starter duty is extremely difficult for inverters (unless they are oversized) due to the high inrush current of the stalled rotor. They will trip out on overcurrent or severely limit power so that the motor does not have enough torque to start.
Mmmm The calcium content of an egg & shell , and the calcium content of a new laid chick takes a bit of arguing away too!
HI e2matrix it is Chas campbell (as you see it) its also the capacitor charging circuit .. if you can bring what you have shown there as a 14uf capacitor to such a size that the circuit is series resonant .. the battery will stay fully charged whilst supplying the load. the trouble is you can't see series resonance. and its very sharp and changes quickly.
I would propose to make faster FWBR from 600V ultrafast diodes, and add a large capacitor to the battery in parallel. The you can test how long it could run solely on that capacitor after the motor got the final speed - just disconnect battery (using switch or by disconnecting cable)
It's very close to one of my planned circuits, but I will be using modified gasoline generator copuled to DC motor.
i was about to post this on energetics .. still Its exactly what I describe earlier Its just from a slightly different view point physical rather than electrical .. I sorta watched were you as your going off track and have altered this accordingly
Don't consider the machines as anything to do with the equation at all, just focus on the battery . The humble Lead acid battery. It was said by Tesla you must consider the whole circuit .. and Its true so very true. Yet for years I have not been able to see what the man meant .
To cut straight to the chase .. we want to use lots of energy from a lead acid battery whilst at the same time keeping it fully charged ... Its as simple and as easy as that isn't it? What ever machine or contraption you connect to that battery you must at the same time be doing something else to it that makes sure its always fully charged. ... after you get the hang of this you'll be able to see how every machine should work. (if I'm right of course)
The cause of battery discharge is you using volts x amps (power) x time (energy) and inside the battery itself the effect is sulphation, Normally you would reverse the process and charge the battery up again using Amps x hours (in passing please note there is no volts ) Usually the power consumed charging the battery is considerably more than can ever be obtained from it.
Its a big loss situation . However there is another way to remove sulphation we can .. figuratively speaking . Shatter it . Of course I don't mean with a big hammer I mean at the molecular level
if it can be arranged that a frequency is hitting that battery that makes the whole thing resonant at the right frequency look what happens to the sulphate
Its shattered using little or no energy what so ever ! The next thing I'd like you to think about is just what sort of wave is a sound wave? Just think for a moment how your ear works and for that matter how a loud speaker works ... back ward and forwards right? Hitting your ear drum true?
Its a linear wave ... That's the wave that doesn't exist in electricity. Yeah right! Its the wave of Tesla Its the wave of his wireless and his electrical work .Now you know that sound is a linear wave look what sound is doing here.
now I stress this is only done by resonance and the linear wave , and that occurs in electric circuits when they are series resonant . So if you can simply feed the battery with the correct impulse at the resonant frequency the battery will remain fully charged regardless of what load you decide to apply. This is the state of play you see time and time again on the 3BGS thread ... they have the right shape impulse , now and again they find the resonant frequency, huge amounts of power become available , The chemical composition of the battery changes eventually the resonance point is lost and gone .. and the struggle starts all over again , But make no mistake the system does work Its just I have no programming skills and so I can't compose the code to control the loop it isn't hard I simply don't know how.
Strangely it is one of the few bits of information that's readily available or easily worked out regarding the impulse wave of Tesla .. In fact here's EPD telling us exactly what the relationship is years ago
pi/2 In other words although you can't see impulse electricity with any instruments and you certainly cant measure it you know immediately that the impulse frequency needs to track the parallel resonant frequency .. which you can see .. by a factor of pi/2.
Research indicates that the lead acid battery however has a series of sympathetic resonant points obviously the higher up the chain you inject the resonant wave the more dramatic the response . I suspect that cascade is exactly what Marcus Reid describes here .. except of course its electrostatic waves. Not electromagnetic (you know them ones that don't exist)
So I surmise Its quite possible to inject a battery with the correct impulse wave by scanning the battery with normal transverse electricity through frequency ranges discovering the highest obtainable parallel resonant frequency
and then injecting the correct impulse frequency ... which will be pi/2 related .. or at least a linear relationship near to pi/2 (pi/2 being in free space)
all the various machines are just irrelevent .. thats the nub of the whole thing ... show the battery thecorrect impulse frequency to hold series resonance whilst conditions are changing .. you see why in could be Crème de la crème ?
Dear Duncan and all.
Perhaps this puts Duncan's words in a nutshell !!
Enjoy !! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odJxJRAxdFU&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Cheers Grum.
The acoustic axis of the ultrasound beam in these previous studies was parallel to the gravitational force, and the levitated objects were manipulated along the fixed axis (i.e. one-dimensionally) by controlling the phases or frequencies of bolted Langevin-type transducers. In the present study, we considered extended acoustic manipulation whereby millimetre-sized particles were levitated and moved three-dimensionally by localised ultrasonic standing waves, which were generated by ultrasonic phased arrays. Our manipulation system has two original features. One is the direction of the ultrasound beam, which is arbitrary because the force acting toward its centre is also utilised. The other is the manipulation principle by which a localised standing wave is generated at an arbitrary position and moved three-dimensionally by opposed and ultrasonic phased arrays.
Nice Grum
regards
Mike 8)
Quote from: forest on 2014.01.04, 09:14:55
I would propose to make faster FWBR from 600V ultrafast diodes, and add a large capacitor to the battery in parallel. The you can test how long it could run solely on that capacitor after the motor got the final speed - just disconnect battery (using switch or by disconnecting cable)
It's very close to one of my planned circuits, but I will be using modified gasoline generator copuled to DC motor.
Yes I'm quite sure the FWBR I was using is slow and inefficient so I could try that. I think though like Duncan is saying there may be something special happening in the LA batteries so I'm not sure caps would work. Of course having seen and tried Lasersaber's joule ringer caps might have some interesting possibilities too.
Now I'm going to Ask Mike a big Favour which I think could advance this thread in leaps and bounds by basically me getting the hell off it for a while and letting him translate this a little bit ! ;D But first I need to write a post that is even more unintelligible than my usual daubs. ;D Which I doubt you'll understand :'(.. don't worry its not dementia
not yet at least. I am writing specifically to Mike and the reason It will seem "double dutch" to you is like Mike 'I knows a bit about radio' . And so I have been trained to see the picture of radio waves the same way he was at some stage. Even though its wrong .. (we have all been taught wrong by omision) I can use it as a spring board to correct the image of Mikes perception faster than most.
There is another major reason, and that is as you probably all know Mike built and tested a fracture unit some years ago and tried hard to broadcast the Information via energetics. I decided back then to attempt that build. For reasons I won't bother going into I decided to stop In fact if you check the dates you'll find I stopped posting for the best part of a year .. quite frankly I had been hurt and was frighted. However despite not posting I continued building at least to such a point as I could prove that the water fracture was not a myth . I knew It wasn't anyway but just call it stubborn if you want.
Of course I'm no chemist and I knew nothing of what to do with that odd gas. The point is there is a connection between that process and what I describe here . Its tenuous and not easy to explain harder to prove (for me at least) But of course if I can make that connection here .. then because you'll have MJN on side .. This particular thread could fly very high very quickly. Whilst I struggle through the unknowns of magnetics . You see every machine you strive to build uses the same force
In one form or another ... There is nothing in particular that any machine you might have attempted has in particular that pertains . In other words understand this and you'll see how every machine that was ever made works (if its not a red Herring of course) So the first thing to try and grasp is this is not electricity , not in any shape you could possibly recognise . However it coexists with electricity and has this analogy ... As Electricity is to Radio waves so Magnetic current is to Electrostatic waves . As radio itself is to electricity ... so Tesla's wireless is to magnetic current.
And they all do follow some of the same rules. However everything's rather like looking in a mirror or changing from a right hand drive car to a left hand drive car .. its all a little odd to start with.
Over on energetics I have found myself drifting off into this electrostatic dimension .. Its a disaster!
To use the analogy it is rather like going into a class room of electricians to try and deliver a half hour lecture on the Yagi-Uda array . Not only will they not understand they won't give a toss.
It is quite literally in a different dimension . The electrostatic wave unlike the feeble radio wave is extremely powerful It is that which can keep batteries fully charged regardless of what energy you might extract . However the example of Glass shattering is but a crude example of a physical explanation as I tried to pull you back on track .
OK mike to connect to your fracture system as best I might . You were transmitting two pure sine waves , (in so much as a sine wave can be pure as its a mathematical impossibility I state the obvious but I use it later)
Your fracture system was basically transmission . And the picture you had formed in your head is understandably the Fourier series to wit F1 + F2 results F1 ,F2, F1 + F2, F1 -F2
and so on ad infinitum .away into infinity
There is no absolute scale of size in the Universe, for it is boundless towards the great and also boundless towards the small.
Oliver Heaviside.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8a/Oliver_Heaviside2.jpg/200px-Oliver_Heaviside2.jpg)
. Kind of like a giant V made up of harmonics and something stretching away into the never never , (before I go much further ..historic research unearthed a connection between Fourier and a satanic sect . Which caused me to have a very hard think about his work)
where is the impulse wave in his work Mike ? He must (In fact he did ) know all about it whys it all missing?
I then considered what infinity might mean as regards the sine waves happily intertwining their way off toward it... yeah well a troubled mind can know no rest!
So what does the area under a sine wave represent ? Power .. ( think peak envelope power) whatever ,, its still power . And It can be considered to be diminishing to its ultimate state of 'no power' at infinity .
or to be more correct to transform into another sort of power as (energy cannot be destroyed ect ect)
then what shape might the wave form be as the sine wave diminishes?
Now picture the graph which must represent nothing .. no power ( or very nearly so ) where would the last remnant of this particular energy be before it was all transformed into another? At a point you see as infinity and very importantly what shape ?
It obviously has to be a straight line hard against one of the axis of the graph, the event is time related ... so the last imaginary view we have is an very short duration pulse of huge magnitude at zero time . The conclusion for me at least is transformed energy has a natural state of an impulse and its abode at least on a four quadrant graph is in a different dimension .
Another way to arrive at the same conclusion
If you have ever been so pot less as to have built a signal generator mike you'll know a pure sine wave is your first ambition, The mathematics telling us that every other conceivable waveform is encompassed by the sine wave .. the issue is being bandied about here . Notice Mike that the theoretical outcome of an infinite number of sine waves is a square wave
http://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/huxkb/are_all_waveforms_made_up_of_sine_waves/ (http://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/huxkb/are_all_waveforms_made_up_of_sine_waves/)
And that of course is exactly what your fracture unite was ultimately producing ..an infinite number of sine waves transforming to a different energy in a different dimension. one axis of which we perceive as time. This again confirms the impulse wave .
Every time the sine waves heterodyne more of their fundamental make up is transformed to a square wave and ultimately to an Impulse before becoming totally lost to our dimension by transformation.
Instruments give no indication and you are not encouraged to consider this scenario never the less the mathematics of trig functions indicate it is so. Of course Mike In every respect I am skating right up to the edge here considering only the infinite the infinitesimal and chaos, places where no rational mathematician or scientist dares to dwell. But of course that's where the answer must be or else sharper pencils than mine would have jabbed it with their point long ago.
As I explained earlier Mike I have no need of pages of waffle only to know what is true or at least a very strong likelihood I have seen it , I'm quite sure you have now I don't Intend that we bide long crossing this quagmire in Mordor I think we'll rush through the gates whilst we may and get back on solid ground
one does not simply walk into Mordor. Its black gates are guarded by more than just Orcs...
This analogy also holds good to the Radio wave and the electrostatic wave Mike .. The reception of a radio wave is essentially the reverse of transmission..
so now rather than transmitting two sine waves which results in one impulse wave at infinity (ergo a different dimension) you now inject an impulse in order to attract the two infinite legs of the afore mentioned V . The one leg we are not particularly interested in at all .. Its incidental the Fourier harmonic progression . You know all about that one Mike .. you engineered on it . However its effectively only 'a marker' for the other leg of the V the one that's hidden ... the one with all the power .. the one that's charging batteries! The linear wave
Consider this Mike the Fourier progression what were you engineering to ? The sine wave of course and Harmonics , Harmonics are all natures even numbers so what pray does your god (whoever he or she may be) use for odd numbers when playing bingo ? Key of the door .. oh shit ?
I think you know Mike .. exactly what I must say .. Its overtones!!!
electricity is also so divided except you regard one leg as EMF and the other as back EMF
but I digress , ... the x6F that you used as a separation now becomes a starting point . Nature can chose her number base just as she wishes . Our number one is her number six Its where the point of the V starts in this dimension and the point where transform can occur from another.
So whilst you calculated the harmonics Mike the next question is what were the impulse overtones doing which we have no inkling of because they have been hidden from us? Here is the overtone progression here is the chain of odds that are missing .. 3rd ... 9th... 15th..21st...27th.. ad infinitum
"So, naturalists observe, a flea - Hath smaller fleas that on him prey; And these have smaller still to bite 'em; And so proceed ad infinitum" Dean Swift
Its observed mike in crystal tuning and electrical power lines that the overtone sequence is cumulative at resonance .. If you haven't seen it yet I have seriously under estimated you, but the significance of this statement by Tesla should become obvious where . your transmission reversed .
"If you only knew the magnificence of the 3, 6 and 9, then you would have a key to the universe." Nikola Tesla
what then pray is the velocity of the impulse wave ? The speed of light is 186000 miles /sec it is a wave and the Aether which now comes into being is its transport.. The quickest way from A to B is a straight line not up and down like Tennyson's babbling brook With many a curve my banks I fret
so 18600 x Pi/2 =292000 miles/sec
which of course queers the pitch when you try to do straight conversion on an impulse frequency. :(
Now one of the questions that came to Mind Mike was obviously could I simply inject your x6F separated frequencies and would that save having to track battery resonance ?
I built this in an old video case to try the proposition with a dirt cheap Chinese Linsley-Hood DIY kit
stuck on the end those are ICL8038 of course x6f apart switched and variable at the time.
and pumped it straight into a battery .. de coupled of course , remarkable result I thought but not stable needs a better loop of some sort .. like I said mike not my field I just wanted to know !
If my view's considered at all .. Its as I said Crème de la crème but guys who are not vision handicapped are going to have to get stuck into it
(http://dnp.s3.amazonaws.com/b/b5/Image.jpg)
I've pulled a few bits off it now for further messing about but I'll send you the bits if you want to confirm it yourself . You see the junk I work with work with mike at least you have decent equipment ;D ;D !
Duncan, you are going to have to give me time to digest your post :D then tell me exactly what you want me to do :-\ I will do what I can within my limits and time :)
Is it a sharp intake of breath time :-\ do I need to pour myself a large G & T ;) or buy myself a large bottle of asprin ???
regards
Mike :o
Hi CentralFlow,
Yes, I agree, digesting Ducan's posts takes time, especially if English is not your native language. :'(
If, in addition, you just only consult all the quoted document and watch all the videos, this is a never ending process, as Duncan keeps on posting new stuffs. :-[
Now, I'm more aware of what a PLL (Phase Locked Loop) is.
In the falstad.com "Circuit Simulator", there is some examples and I also have found
a software version for Arduino.
So, for me too, Duncan "tell me exactly what you want me to do, I will do what I can within my limits and time". :)
Meilleurs sentiments,
Jean
PS: Thanks to E2Matrix for his clarified sketch..
Don't worry guys the writing will dry up quickly enough when my metal arrives ! The winding handle will be turning ! Mike just let that cook a little bit .. It will suddenly snap into place,
Oh Jean .. don't worry and stress to much .. there may be a very much simpler way that I just haven't
seen . In fact here's a rough outline of one straight off the cuff as I'm writing . Which I'll include
when pulse charged .. (that is capacitive charged) batteries hit resonance they take off like a rocket huge amounts of power become instantly available. Even from a heavily sulphated battery unused for years. They are very quickly rejuvenated. Now I don't recommend you do this because once you start to comprehend what the impulse wave is (and this guy hasn't) .. and where it lives. And fully comprehend what this guy is doing .. its madness. Still his claim is so outrageous I had to try it.
This is his own phrase
When you hear the sulfate crystals buzzing and crackling inside the battery, you know something amazing (and kind of scary) is happening.
from here (don't plough through it I put only for those who wish to check)
http://www.johnsavesenergy.com/CapacitiveBatteryCharger.html#.UspFvvtrTUI (http://www.johnsavesenergy.com/CapacitiveBatteryCharger.html#.UspFvvtrTUI)
Tinkering about with something close to resonance ,straight across the grid, madness I didn't find it 'kinda scary' I found it bloody terrifying . Does the battery charge with only reactive current ? .. yes.
It does do what the man Say's . It makes all the noise as he says ,(so did my rectum) It can charge huge banks of batteries
in minutes as he says here then is (perhaps) one possible crude control loop monitor and amplify battery acoustic noise level . Whilst scanning a wide range of input pulse frequencies, latch and hold the highest noise level. Repeat the operation as required.
In a sentence what's wanted ... a method to keep that battery in a series resonant condition (or as near as possible) regardless of changing conditions. Ergo as conditions change alter the frequency
or the capacitance as this guy is doing crudely by hand .. using a wattometer. Not so much me .. but with your help that can be done so very much better and safer . Not at 50 Hz but perhaps 3 Mhz or higher.
not at 250 v but perhaps 5 or 10 volts (its a reversing pulse its gender neutral anyway) it is only the frequency that is important very very important .
It is only being able to monitor ... series resonance and automatically adjust something to keep it 'on song' . Perhaps there's something in the Ham world that would adapt Mike ... is there for instance something that can automatically adjust the ATU as you change Bands ? That could work and be inverted to adjust to SWR infinity which is where this thing needs to be.
Could a Royer oscillator be changed in some way to track series resonance ? Or an Armstrong ?
So Its Really not much is it? Monitor series resonance (somehow) form a control loop to alter .. (I presume) capacitance or frequency (some how) in order to keep the battery singing loudly !
I'm sorry I seem to beat around the bush Jean . Its not my ambition to ask people to do this or that with out understanding why .. (except for Farrah day of course who I suggested fly a kite with a copper wire tied to his tongue in a thunder storm to see if there really is COP>1)
and what the ambition is and what theory it's based on . After all I might have just gone totally insane. Or be plain and simply wrong .. There is quite a lot of activity starting to support what I am saying on energetics .. however that's the magnetic approach and avoids trying to resolve this loop. Or even trying to explain it .
By bringing the resonance point into this dimension, Its easier for me to comprehend and see and try to explain .. This however IMHO is the better system much higher frequency direct conversion but there is the loop missing,and I don't have any bright idea's to offer just yet I'm afraid .
Just one item which comes to thought is varicaps which are variable capacitance diodes, the problem maybe is that the capacitance is normally in the pf range, they are used nowadays as VCO's for tuning, it would be easy to design a system to follow voltage.
Just a thought 8)
regards
Mike
ah your warming to the subject as far as I could make out Mike and it would need better equipment than mine .. that resonant cascade goes on to infinity , I guess in theory the linear wave could be injected on any of the recurring sequences .. in fact the higher the better ... but I only tracked up to 3 MHz .. (the limit of my FG) and only with parallel resonance across a pretty discharged battery . Its not so much what to alter that defeats me with this thing Mike Its how to constantly determine the frequency of the resonant point . as conditions change . either parallel or series ...just got hold of the black smith ... not a pot washed ... nothing done yet :(
Salve a Tutti,
OK Duncan, "a [automatic] method to keep that battery in a series resonant condition (or as near as possible)
regardless of changing conditions".
The French Met Office have studied a (Russian, I guess) drifting buoy wind speed sensor based on the noise
provoked by the said wind in a mike. The results were not as accurate as a "normal" (mechanical) wind speed
sensor but nevertheless pretty good.
So, your idea of monitoring the noise of the battery is indeed very creative. Meanwhile, this "sounds" a bit complicated, IMO. No?
It now exist a lot of different type of sensors. It would "suffice" to find one and, perhaps, to "misuse" it. ???
Similarly, "a kite with a copper wire" could be cumbersome. I would suggest a more handy device:
(http://freenrg.info/Pic/Parapluie_Paratonnerre.jpg)
:D
All the best,
Jean
Aaaaah free energy forums .. I must be a total Numpty anyway Mike everybody knows better than me. Ergo I must be ! I have even been told in no uncertain manner that minimum impedance is a short circuit well I as I breath, I live and learn,!! O0 I'll certainly be sure to treasure that little gem and hold it close to my heart! Who knows when such a nugget might come in handy? :)
I'm starting to form a new plan Mike form my bedroom window if you stretch your neck quite a bit this old abandoned Mine hoves into view ... 'There be gold in them thar hills'
http://www.bgs.ac.uk/research/ukgeology/borrowdale.html (http://www.bgs.ac.uk/research/ukgeology/borrowdale.html)
why don't you come and stay for a little while, park your wondrous machine in the garage and knock a ton or two of this elixir, snake oil stuff out whilst I ponder what to do with this new found wisdom and knowledge pertaining to series resonance. C.CThen if this stuffs worth ... well so much per penny weight , then we can sail off in our respective yachts to a remote Caribbean Island (yours or mine I'm not particular) and consider in depth this new radical change to AC theory.
I'm quite amazed its escaped the inspection of the likes of Ampere, Tesla, Wheatstone and Kirchhoff' ... Ah but then they didn't have the erudite and brilliant injection of the energetics forum did they? Who knows what dizzy heights Tesla may have reached .. The triangular wheel ? Oh its pointless conjecture , Oh if those poor idiots could have been introduced to Ugglebug3 , and Mario , what a vastly improved world it would be. I really can't stand any more excitement ! I find myself drunk at the fount of knowledge . (I have aspirations that regard anyway) let me see now short circuit Mm mm
Hello Everybody,
Yes, CentraFlow, varicaps.
We might also use this kinda old fashioned device + a step by step motor on the shaft.
Too complicated, IMHO.
(http://freenrg.info/Pic/Air_Cap.jpg)
The capacitance is not too small. Max 500 pico Farad for one part of the (double) air cap.
Now, IMHO, the simplest, the best. N. Tesla was the king of simplicity. Was he not?
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I, once, was able to recharge the small 12V/5AH battery that was running a Johnnie Dib's SSG with half a Dadhav CCT.
This (full) Dadhav's CCT is given here:
"1 Coil Brushless Motor Driver (Multi Phase)"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8b4xlCKn3LQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8b4xlCKn3LQ)
The screen shot of the full CCT is (sorry for the big picture):
(http://freenrg.info/NEW_EXPS/DH/DadHav_complete_CCT-and-specs.jpg)
My setup was:
(http://freenrg.info/Pic/JB-DadHav-Exp.jpg)
Unfortunately, although this phenomenon was real indeed, it was only transitory (about 15 minutes).
So, I concluded that it was a bad idea, that it was not possible and I gave up.
Now, Thanks to Duncan, I begin to have second thoughts....
Avec mes sentiments les plus cordiaux,
Jean
Hi Jean I have asked David Bowling (the guy who runs that 3BGS thread) to put a Mic on one of the batteries that's working the miracle , Its a bit of a long shot but whilst we try and think of another way .. its worth trying . O0
Talking of the The Tesla linear wave wireless system, The alexanderson antenna system all destroyed in the USA . how about this one Mike It still workes and gets cranked up now and again .. ever heard it?
http://alexander.n.se/in-english/the-high-frequence-generator/ (http://alexander.n.se/in-english/the-high-frequence-generator/)
The cloggies are very proud of it. I went to see it a few years ago when I was working over there. all polished like a new pin.
Hello Duncan,
Of course the mike is worth to be tried.
Perhaps, the only thing to be taken into account is the level of the noise.
This would avoid complicated digital audio signal processing.
I would have another idea.
I remember Dr Jacques Benveniste. He was using a coil to deliver a signal to water.
If you are not aware of who Jacques Benveniste (1935-2004) was, you can consult, for ex:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_memory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_memory)
and:
"Dr. Jacques Benveniste digibio part1 of 2"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZkQtHDLE-w (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZkQtHDLE-w)
1m36sec.
Amazing, No?
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So my half backed idea. Why not using a coil wrapped on the battery case (or putting the battery in a big coil),
just to see if something append in this coil.
(http://freenrg.info/Pic/Bat_And_Coil.jpg)
If there is a kinda 'variable current' circulating in the battery (being pulse charged) this should induce
something measureable (after amplification) in the said coil. Should It not?
Just my 2cents,
All the Best,
Jean
Dear Duncan and NerzhDishual.
I remember not so recently watching a Russian video where the man had some Copper sheets placed between two Lead acid batteries. Like a sandwich !! Somehow when a lamp was placed it got brighter ??
Perhaps it may jog somebodies memory ??
I know full well there are strange thing happening when an LA battery is being charged !! I got a serious ear bashing from my wife, when after a couple of days charging a battery on one of our Granite work surfaces, upon moving the battery the Granite had taken on the shape of the cell structure within !! And despite a whole day of re polishing there is still the faint outline !!
The pleasures of OU research !! ;D
well grumage ... it might just be worth it! I let this post cook a little while . I then decided that the effect you witnessed was caused by magnetic current passing through the granite in order to reach the battery .. as I have pointed out the battery is a reactive device ... It must charge by reactive current which is why Mike and Jean Bless .. are trying to come up with a way to stay on PF 0 if not from this dimension then reactive current from the B field
I thought about that it, it inspires this .. written with an ex power worker in mind ... ain't I kind Grump?
There is a big clue in this document
http://www.controlledpwr.com/whitepapers/ukharma2.pdf (http://www.controlledpwr.com/whitepapers/ukharma2.pdf)
consider how this reactive current .. also known as magnetic current is burning and melting cables. and making things hot. almost by definition heat is energy the fact that its appearing in inconvenient places doesn't make it any less so.
if you notice Grumage the magnetic current is 'circulating' only in the neutral (earth) and only in the buildings. There's so much wrong with all of that when you think about it . circulating where? :D IMHO Its coming straight out of the ground, using the easiest route it has. Its magnetic current Mr Bedine would be charging lots and lots of batteries with that!
As the article says the problem is confined to individual buildings ,not the grid its self well yes I can see how that would be after all the grid has huge capacitors on it to convert magnetic current to real power John uses those too some times doesn't he ? except of course he doesn't call his power factor correction capacitors. Then there's this to consider we are taught reactive power can do no work. In fact it is known as the watt less component . well lots of heat sure seems like work to me ! the fact that its being done some where inconvenient is irrelevant. That's our fault for not understanding it.
so now Grump perhaps I can give a layman's view. that most can grasp and an example of this reverse thinking.
The document tells you the need for the huge neutral cables is switched mode power supplies. these things,
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/62/PSU-Open1.jpg/250px-PSU-Open1.jpg)
in some office blocks there's thousands of them all switching very fast you might as well have thousands of these
(http://dnp.s3.amazonaws.com/b/b5/wheel.jpg)
after all they are doing the same thing! The transformation happens to the electrostatic wave (sea of energy, radiant energy , Aether .. a rose by any other name ... ) at resonance magnetic current is summoned it will travel as all things electric do by the easiest route .. In this case neutral cable which in turn is bonded to the ground. Unlike Mr Bedinei's establishment there are no batteries to catch and convert this unusual energy. (Its only unusual to us of course tptb know all about it ..so do the trees and wot not)
The ambition of this natural current is ultimately to repair the injury being done to its open system by being contained in a grid.
in this regard it divides itself accordingly and sets off along each of the three phase conductors Its goal ... to equalise at the star point of the generator/s
Ah but the power companies are no fools , they know all about this, they have known all about it since the very first grid system.
So what do they do? Just what John Bedine would do ... catch it in a capacitor ... yeah so it might be a little bit bigger than John usually uses still..
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ed/Condensor_bank_150kV_-_75MVAR.jpg)
they have got one or two more wheels on the go.. your wheels . here's the super bit ... then they sell it back to you :rofl: :rofl: suckers :rofl: :rofl: me too of course but you have to laugh (don't you?)
It does get even better in a lot of places. Oh I love this .. the consumer gets to buy the capacitors :rofl: and then wait for this one .... pay for any reactive current that its using.
(http://www.celsagermany.com/typo3temp/pics/DPQ96-3_9c8bc869a3.gif)
So those who have see and experienced COP>1 machines if only briefly and know this is all true ... can you see what a classic beautiful scam this is?:thinking: I mean don't get me wrong I hate these bastards with a passion but as enemy tactics go IMHO you just have to take your hat off here.:rofl:
I recon humanities got to wake up a whole lot collectively if were gonna catch these guys they is cute man !
(http://www.chrismadden.co.uk/images/cartoons/Happinesspursuit-of-balloons-2-col-cjmadden.jpg)
Its time to pull together break the stick and grab the balloons ! O0
Hi Grumage,
Thanks+++ for your information. Amazing, indeed.
Ear bashing.... ;D
I once was told that Lead Acid batteries do not "like" cement/concrete (and, apparently also Granite?).
I you want to store your lead acid battery, it would not be recommended to lay them flat in a cement/concrete
surface. This would kill it.
I do not know if this is true. Anyway, I now use a wooden board when I want to store a LA in my garage.
OU research can be a pleasure, especially when people collaborate and exchange material instead of confronting.... C.C No?
Meilleurs Sentiments,
Jean
E2M -- I think what you're doing -- self-looping! -- is the creme de la creme.
Keep up the good work. A little higher efficiency here and there might just bring you OVER the top.
Thanks for the ckt diagram -- also Nerzh and Duncan. Helps me understand a wee bit better!!
Quote from: e2matrix on 2014.01.03, 23:53:12
For clarification:
[circuit diagram shown]
I found this 3phase generator / motor on Ebay this evening. Fun stuff and very inexpensive.
Purchased a couple. (Hope they have more.)
I rather like to learn from smaller scale motors and generators...
Hey Mike if your reading this can you give me a little insight into this guys thinking regarding this phrase . (where does he intend picking that voltage up? as a ref)
I was also thinking that a 4046 or some other PLL could be used to lock into the resonant
frequency by monitoring the peak ringing voltage - ie automaticly adjust to any battery or
situation, and maybe a PIC would make a controller for it? - food for thought
from this PDF
http://dnp.s3.amazonaws.com/b/b5/Battery pulse charger.pdf (http://dnp.s3.amazonaws.com/b/b5/Battery%20pulse%20charger.pdf)
keeps nagging .. can you see what that guy had in mind ? does it sound feasable ? you need to sort of keep in mind here he's not really anywhere near resonance and already bringing batteries from flat as a pan cake to 80% PDQ he's probably COP> 1 now althiough he doesnt realise it.
Thank Prof. Jones.
Another url.
Same device. Price in Euros.
A bit More expensive but Free shipping.
With 6 Rectifier diode+2 led.
I have just bought 3 of them.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/AC-Dynamo-Micro-Hand-generator-Brushless-Gear-motor-With-6-Rectifier-diode-2-led-/221334408338#shpCntId (http://www.ebay.com/itm/AC-Dynamo-Micro-Hand-generator-Brushless-Gear-motor-With-6-Rectifier-diode-2-led-/221334408338#shpCntId)
NerzhDishual
I see DADHAV on your Circuit above.
when things get rolling ,I could ask him to join in or have a look if you feel it would be good?
thx
Chet
Quote from: Duncan on 2014.01.08, 12:27:39
Hey Mike if your reading this can you give me a little insight into this guys thinking regarding this phrase . (where does he intend picking that voltage up? as a ref)
I was also thinking that a 4046 or some other PLL could be used to lock into the resonant
frequency by monitoring the peak ringing voltage - ie automatically adjust to any battery or
situation, and maybe a PIC would make a controller for it? - food for thought
from this PDF
http://dnp.s3.amazonaws.com/b/b5/Battery pulse charger.pdf (http://dnp.s3.amazonaws.com/b/b5/Battery%20pulse%20charger.pdf)
keeps nagging .. can you see what that guy had in mind ? does it sound feasible ? you need to sort of keep in mind here he's not really anywhere near resonance and already bringing batteries from flat as a pan cake to 80% PDQ he's probably COP> 1 now although he doesn't realise it.
Duncan, bare with me for a while, I am putting together a pdf which will show a great deal of how you can charge batteries and at the same time do work. It is interesting his thoughts on a discharge time within the charging cycle, this is also what I have done.
This work has led me to also the phase shift scenario which is hot with Luc et al, though what I have been doing is, as always, getting side tracked as I find things of advantage,
BUT IT'S ALL COMING TOGETTER I THINK.. The TPU's got me interested, "here I go again being side tracked", along with phase shifted induction which came about from magnetic loops with circulating high current and voltage but 90 degrees out of phase.
Now normally induction heaters are a H bridge driving a short coil and cap in parallel resonance, where the current and voltage swish around without returning to the bridge. Like magnetic loops the current and voltage go to very high amounts but the input to the circuit is low, "more out than in????", well they are out of phase, has that given a clue? well there is more energy sloshing around than went in in the first place. Well I'm not going to go into it here at the moment until I have the phasing returned without affecting the input.
Mike
Hi Ramset,
Of course! DadHav is not enough "famous", IMHO.
His circuit is simple but very very clever.
This is of the same vein of Tesla, IMHO#2.
It is not easy at all to "tame". I almost gave up.
I use 2 sets of ( fixed resistor + 'normal' potentiometer + 10 turns potentiometer) for
each (NPN and PNP) transistor base.
Once you get used to this CCT, you just need one coil to run a "pulsed" motor
(the ones with magnets on the rotor). It works for NNNNN.. , SSSSS, or NSNSNS... configurations.
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According to J. B....I (Johnnie Dib)
Two different things: 'real' "back EMF" and Huge voltage spikes ("Radiant NRG"???))
[Begin_Quote]"The "back EMF" is always below the input voltage." [End_Quote]
For ex: 8 volts for an input voltage of 12 volts.
This seems not to be the case for the DadHav's Coil Brushless Motor.
His vid is here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8b4xlCKn3LQ
11 min 50 sec
A (commented) screen shot:
(http://freenrg.info/Pic/DadHav_Oscillo.jpg)
My intuition is telling me that Dadhav is into something.
All the Best,
Jean
Quote from: PhysicsProf on 2014.01.08, 05:45:04
I found this 3phase generator / motor on Ebay this evening. Fun stuff and very inexpensive.
Purchased a couple. (Hope they have more.)
I rather like to learn from smaller scale motors and generators...
I looked at that ebay ad and think the way they show taking power from the unit may be valuable if one has a 3 phase motor being turned by another motor. That is one of the stumbling blocks I came across when trying to decide the best way to get power from a 3 phase motor or rotoverter setup. Simple enough but I hadn't thought of this:
Probably even better yet is this setup from RomeroUK originally from Hector (rotoverter guru):
The Hector Rotovertor does work because of a single shaft.
The two units have to be parallel to each other on a pulley for tuning.
The original inventor specified this.
;D I told you it would all mesh Mike O0 I have tried to think of some simple way of staying on the principle resonant point ,,, a Royer .. an Armstrong .. there's also of course a whole raft of chips dedicated to 'Power Factor measurement' chips which might be used, There's also a computer programmer popped up and the nice guys offered to write any loop that might be required .... Its starting to knit together ! O0
PS I thought about your damaged worktop Grump >Ive commented next to your post back there .. I think you'll find it interesting !
Quote from: NerzhDishual on 2014.01.08, 18:02:23
Hi Ramset,
Of course! DadHav is not enough "famous", IMHO.
His circuit is simple but very very clever.
This is of the same vein of Tesla, IMHO#2.
It is not easy at all to "tame". I almost gave up.
I use 2 sets of ( fixed resistor + 'normal' potentiometer + 10 turns potentiometer) for
each (NPN and PNP) transistor base.
Once you get used to this CCT, you just need one coil to run a "pulsed" motor
(the ones with magnets on the rotor). It works for NNNNN.. , SSSSS, or NSNSNS... configurations.
-------------
According to J. B....I (Johnnie Dib)
Two different things: 'real' "back EMF" and Huge voltage spikes ("Radiant NRG"???))
[Begin_Quote]"The "back EMF" is always below the input voltage." [End_Quote]
For ex: 8 volts for an input voltage of 12 volts.
This seems not to be the case for the DadHav's Coil Brushless Motor.
His vid is here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8b4xlCKn3LQ
11 min 50 sec
A (commented) screen shot:
(http://freenrg.info/Pic/DadHav_Oscillo.jpg)
My intuition is telling me that Dadhav is into something.
All the Best,
Jean
The hump you see in that pulse motor scope shot above battery voltage is caused by the magnet passing the coil. Completely normal, the motor is doing double pulses per magnet pass.
Also the spikes seem to be un-harnessed, or are encountering a very high resistance. doesn't look to be any recovery battery in the circuit.
..
@Farmhand
QuoteThe hump you see in that pulse motor scope shot above battery voltage is caused by the magnet passing the coil. Completely normal, the motor is doing double pulses per magnet pass.
Also the spikes seem to be un-harnessed, or are encountering a very high resistance. doesn't look to be any recovery battery in the circuit.
I just had this very strange vision of some 90 year old fart with a long grey beard in bib overalls telling me, Yup dat hump over der is dat Lectricity dontcha know. Them there battery thingys maken dem dare magnet thingermabobbers passin der coils dubbler pulsen. It's just dat plain old Lectricity, nuttin odd just normal like dontcha know nuttin feller. LOL very strange indeed.
Let me put it this way to my knowledge nobody on this planet fully understands the simple circuit in question because nobody knows what the Primary Fields are fundamentally which dictates all of it's actions and reactions. As well I am fairly fluent in CFD and can tell you with confidence that if you wanted to simulate all the interactions within a 1 meter cube surrounding this simple circuit, All of them in real time, we would spend a lifetime setting it up and many more to crunch the numbers. So much that if we took every computer ever built in our history and built a super-duper-computer it would still take a lifetime. Hence the reason why most deal with simplistic closed systems ie..Maxwells Equations and ignore everything else as Maxwell himself stated. Reality is a bitch.
AC
At all Canadian, You insulting arsehole, you got a hell of an ego champ. I got a vision of an asshole speaking.
Wow.
You want to get personal for some reason, go for it, no skin off my nose. If you spoke to me like that in person I would knock your block off.
If it's gonna be allowed to be like that I'll just have to do as the romans do.
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@Farmhand
QuoteAt all Canadian, You insulting arsehole, you got a hell of an ego champ. I got a vision of an asshole speaking.
I understand your point and respect it however if a person is going to insult another by diminishing their work which could constitute hundreds of hours then a rebuttal isn't out of the question in my opinion. What would you think if you had spent countless hours working on something and presented it in good faith and then I told you it was nothing and you don't know what your doing?. I understand this is common on the internet but just because someone has decided it is normal does not mean I have to believe it is acceptable.
I was just being honest, it was a out of line and I apologize but when I read your post this was what I saw from my perspective. Am I an insulting arsehole?-- yes sometimes, you got a hell of an ego champ-- I wouldn't say ego moreso confidence all of us can do better, I got a vision of an asshole speaking-- I'm sure you did, lol. What would you like me to say--- for the most part I cannot disagree. To be perfectly honest again, I did it to see what you would do and unfortunately you did exactly what I expected. Yes it was a test and yes you passed with flying colors and I'm sorry I even bothered and wasted our time but I did learn from it if nothing else... not to do it again.
I mean no offense but don't you find this even a bit comical?, two grown men bashing each other, I mean if we can't laugh at ourselves and the things we do then were beat, my 2 cents.
AC
Pursue anomalies until status quo reached. Omg youve reinvented the wheel and it rolls uphill. Amazing! If it is truly an anomaly then it needs attention. But an anomaly always needs a discerning eye. The eye should not be poked by the blind. If one does not like what one sees, question it or turn the other cheek. What were the first words spoken on the first telephone? Jokes came later...
Tha scope shot shows merit. The action is happening at off time. But one spike per side is what is revealing. Usually there are many, diminishing or increasing going left to right.
AC and Farmhand can't you play nicely in the sandbox ..there's bound to be tears before bed time!
I bet you don't speak to each other like that when your out picking daisies together!
Anyway this is just a little trig I would like you to consider (as were looking at wave forms an all)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQdcwDCBoNY
I want to Introduce the term stochastic resonance. And I'd like us all to have something of the same picture of what that may be. Of course This isn't COP>1 and I'm not interested at all in parallel resonance .. we know that dimension its mapped . However you may perhaps get an inkling of why detection and harnessing of energy from this field is so difficult.
You notice in the video light A or B is on or off, well that looks very much the case to your eye but that isn't what the mathematics say and that is how I want you to think . Not to believe what you see happening in front of your eyes but rather what the science tells you must be happening.
The light is never actually fully on ... neither is it ever fully off . Nor is there such a thing as a perfect sine wave ... here of course we skate on the very edge of known mathematics but that's the only place the answer can possibly be and I have no choice but to take you there.
The parallel resonance you look at it doesn't have infinite impedance does it ? Extremely high but not Infinite ergo the light can never be 100% lit ... 99,99% yes it also agrees with the maths .. there is no such thing as a perfect sine wave which in turn relates to pi being an irregular number.
Conversely then what of the other end of the scale? When lamp A 99.99% lit then lamp B is 99.99% off .. it is resonant but to something you cant measure or see, because 'no electrical energy' is the natural state of our environment. There is a mathematical term for this point of anti resonance its called Stochastic resonance. Its bit of a poser of a word isn't it ? But still we'll hopefully know
what we are referring to. As at resonance there is something approaching a perfect sine wave although you can see nothing ... what do you predict the waveform of stochastic resonance to be?
Keeping in mind that the area under the curve is directly proportional to power and so under the curves is power x time = energy. Here then is the waveform and frequency of transformation .
Impedance or not impedance... for me there are only two issues with that video.
First : when bulb is extinguished in primary what currents and voltages flow in both tank circuit. I mean : is that the kind of ping pong or a mirror, or to say otherwise : is that the transfer of energy between two tank circuits OR the secondary is MIRROR and COPY of primary (200% efficient). The second case is indicated by many Russian patents like Melnichenko or Stepanov.
Second : isn't that the implementation of Tom Bearden degenerate semiconductor without semiconductor O0 ? The main poin is to keep battery (power source ) voltage stable , which means very little current taken ;)
Thanks for the further insights Nerzh and E2M (especially) -
Quote from: e2matrix on 2014.01.08, 18:35:29
I looked at that ebay ad and think the way they show taking power from the unit may be valuable if one has a 3 phase motor being turned by another motor. That is one of the stumbling blocks I came across when trying to decide the best way to get power from a 3 phase motor or rotoverter setup. Simple enough but I hadn't thought of this:
PS -- I get a kick out of the obvious "mud-slinging" whenever the discussion gets good - and often throwing the wet towel over everything. Seems like it happens a lot. One reason folks go to private forums or threads (unlike where we are now)...
The proof is in the pudding = experiments, not in verbal posturing.
Creme brulee?
I wondered at one point if this might be adapted Mike but I dont see an easy way .. you might in a twink! tis how the brain is
http://www.rmcybernetics.com/projects/DIY_Devices/diy-induction-heater.htm (http://www.rmcybernetics.com/projects/DIY_Devices/diy-induction-heater.htm)
@PhysicsProf
QuotePS -- I get a kick out of the obvious "mud-slinging" whenever the discussion gets good - and often throwing the wet towel over everything. Seems like it happens a lot. One reason folks go to private forums or threads (unlike where we are now)...
I think it's good to stir the pot every now and then to see what comes to the surface, it let's us know what kind of person we really are. Did you ever notice how energetic the debate was when Milehigh and FarrahDay were around?. There was some mudslinging yes but in between there was also a great deal of specific technical debate beyond the , here look at this, kind of chatter.
The kind of questions like, if the AC source current is dependent on it's voltage and the phase differential simply a measure of the current flow as it relates to the voltage(drop/rise) in time then what is the role of the series capacitor?. Since the series capacitor cannot pass DC current without charging it must limit current and in the same instance it must also limit the dissipation in the load. That is if the load dissipates X watts in one half cycle then this change must be reflected at the capacitor back to the source. In this instance we have an AC source<> a charged capacitor <> and a load(L) and if the AC source generator were to "motor" the capacitor must act in series causing an inductive AC load to "generate". You see the roles have reversed because the current in near every case is voltage dependent and a voltage drop can cause generation just as a voltage rise may cause a motor action. How does this fit in?, the difference between the induced voltage and the line voltage in time determines the function, motor or generator. So it would seem we may revere the role of any elements and if this reversal of role alternates between the elements just as we perceive the current may alternate then really were just shuffling energy around. However at some point it becomes apparent that the dissipation(change) in one element may act out of time in the opposite direction causing an opposite reaction to the one we would expect. While power may be a measure of the flow of energy the energy in itself is a measure of change, how does it change, where and when is the question.
Alternating alternations:
Gen>>>cap>>>Motor
Motor<<<cap<<<Gen
Repeat
AC
You raise some very good points, AC.
I like this especially:
QuoteHowever at some point it becomes apparent that the dissipation(change) in one element may act out of time in the opposite direction causing an opposite reaction to the one we would expect. While power may be a measure of the flow of energy the energy in itself is a measure of change, how does it change, where and when is the question.
Trying to wrap my mind around this -- just not seeing quite what you see.
Quote from: NerzhDishual on 2014.01.08, 12:41:10
Thank Prof. Jones.
Another url.
Same device. Price in Euros.
A bit More expensive but Free shipping.
With 6 Rectifier diode+2 led.
I have just bought 3 of them.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/AC-Dynamo-Micro-Hand-generator-Brushless-Gear-motor-With-6-Rectifier-diode-2-led-/221334408338#shpCntId (http://www.ebay.com/itm/AC-Dynamo-Micro-Hand-generator-Brushless-Gear-motor-With-6-Rectifier-diode-2-led-/221334408338#shpCntId)
You're welcome, Nerzh - and thank you for that link!
Wow, $6.99 free shipping for the 3-phase generator (small) and 6 diodes and 2 LED's.
Nerzh, E2M, all -- where would you put cap(s) to spice up the action with the 3-phase generator/motor? (Say you had two of them, one as gen one as motor.)
IF I were going to get a super-efficient device/idea out there, i'd think this would work. Make 'em in china, sell them CHEAP to get into hands of tinkerers world-wide. Perhaps drop a ckt diagram and a clue or two... :D
Hi Prof. Jones,
Quote from: PhysicsProf on 2014.01.10, 22:33:46
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Nerzh, E2M, all -- where would you put cap(s) to spice up the action with the 3-phase generator/motor?
(Say you had two of them, one as gen one as motor.)
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I dunno... :-X
Actually, I'm far from having caught all the 'subtlety' of this kinda CCTs.
For example, considering this vid quoted by Duncan:
"Energy Propagation" user: 'Tortuga0303'.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQdcwDCBoNY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQdcwDCBoNY)
If you try this CCT in the falstad simulator, it does not work as described in the vid.
As soon as you plug *any* load to the secondary of the transformer you lose resonance.
This is theoretically expected, IMHO.
Hence, the Thane C. Heins Bi-Toroïd Transformer. No?
Of course this is just a simulator.
I do not believe that 'Tortuga0303 is faking anything. But he might.
I'm just wondering what is going on.
Yes, the best way is to reproduce this experiment.
It is in my to-do list.
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What I'm planing to do with this tiny Chinese motor is, first, to use a single motor and to try the E2Matrix experiment
with an 'home made' inverter.
(http://freenrg.info/4OUR_F/E2Matrix_Setup-4Small-Motor.jpg)
A small inverter;
(http://freenrg.info/4OUR_F/inverter-version-2.jpg)
All the Best,
Jean
PS: Yes, having stuffs built in China is a very 'popular' idea... :)
As I tried to explain tracking the electrostatic wave through a resonant condition .. I'm just not geared up to do . .. (which is the way it should be done IMHO) detecting the series resonant point is a problem in its self ! Still I just watched this video
http://www.pa3hcm.nl/?p=336 (http://www.pa3hcm.nl/?p=336)
It tells me that its possible one way or another! O0
Hmmm. The inverter circuit is a standard push pull stun gun circuit without the pulse transformer at the end.
Hello Duncan,
The principle is simple, IMHO. I thought of a step to step motor to 'drive' an air cap but the servo idea is more crafty.
However, if I had to reproduce this setup, I guess that I will have trouble to:
1) (Correctly) connect the air cap axle to the servo. These are mechanical issues.
2) Get the information from the SWR. These are electronics issues.
The 'output' of these old SWR are just a mere microammeters. You have to transform a small current to a voltage between O and 5 volts
"[the analog pin] will map input voltages between 0 and 5 volts into integer values between 0 and 1023."
http://arduino.cc/en/Reference/analogRead (http://arduino.cc/en/Reference/analogRead)
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I am far from an Arduino guru. I used to use more elaborated equipment.
Actually, my Arduino is dozing in some drawer. In pristine condition.
I bought it, one year ago, 'just in case'.
Just in case some 'OU' possibility were showing up...
I'm not interested in using an Arduino for blinking some leds.
This said, I'm pretty sure that I get agitated and perplexed as soon as I try to use it
(even with a single led)... >:( :-X
Anyway, the software seems not to be complete.
In the setup() function I would add some
"pinMode(pin, mode)".
Cheers,
Jean
I posted this at EF also but just for those who don't read there I think it's an important bit of info that may be relevant here. I got this out of Moray King's book 'Quest for Zero Point' that member 'wings' posted a scan of it in PDF on OU. Most important I found on pages 78-80 (or 39-40 if you are using the PDF viewer page count). Apologies for below text formatting and spelling may not be perfect as it was OCR'd and I then quickly corrected some errors.
" Pappas (1991)hypothesized all sparks produce excessive energy. Shoulders (1991) demonstrated that excessive energy can be created in any electrical discharge that produces EV's. What if every spark naturally produces submicron plasmoids (even smaller than Shoulder's EV 's)? Finally, there is abrupt ion motion on the inception of any spark, fulfilling Moray's hypothesis. There is a strong likelihood of some ZPE coupling in any abrupt electrical discharge. In fact some investigators have proposed that an abrupt voltage pulse with only (vacuum) displacement current and minimal charge motion is sufficient to produce anomalously excessive energy. Bearden (1993) proposed this is his "final secret, and Hyde (1990) used this principle in designing his invention (a mechanical electrostatic field chopper) that reportedly output 20 KW while self running. Hyde stressed there should be no corona present whatsoever. The Swiss ML Converter could likewise be sirnply explained if indeed there were energy in all electrostatic pulses.
Electrostatic pulses or abrupt voltage spikes are notoriously difficult to tap efficiently as an energy source.
Many inventors have directed high voltage pulses to recharge batteries with claims of over unity. Unfortunately such pulsing often damages the battery, and of course, an energy machine that cannot self run, but instead relies on batteries, is unconvincing to skeptics.
Clearly what is needed is a method to convert voltage spikes to a useful form of power, preferably DC. Hyde (1990) had to solve this problem in order to make his machine free running. His solution (described in figure 6 of his patent, also King, 1993) took advantage of the fact that even though the individual electrostatic pulses were of high voltage, the current (and thus power) of each was very low. This allowed Hyde to make a voltage divider current multiplier circuit utilizing a large number of inexpensive capacitors and diodes that could be run in excess of their voltage specification without damage. High voltage electrostatic pulses were converted to amplified current pulses at a lower voltage which were then rectified to DC by Standard means. Hyde empirically solved a difficult engineering problem, and the solution allowed him to build a self running energy machine. An easy to build, efficient, current multiplier would facilitate wide spread experiments to investigate claims of excessive energy in electrostatic pulses or sparks, as well as form the basis for a solid state zero-point energy machine. The following Pulse Current Multiplier (PCM) was inspired by Hyde's invention. The PCM is based on the Standard
voltage division technique of charging a bank of capacitors in series,
then discharging them in parallel. Figure 3 illustrates four stages of the
PCM. In practice it is desirable to have ten or more stages. The high
voltage pulse is input across the A terminals at the polarity shown.
The sharper the voltage spike, the better the performance.
The inductances should be the minimum value necessary to block the
input, for they must allow the output current (as a slow rise time pulse)
to pass with minimal attenuation. Hyde did not show any blocking
inductances in his patent. Since he developed his circuit empirically,
perhaps long or coiled output wires provided a sufficient blocking in-
ductance to achieve the same behavior. Ferrite beads might also suffice.
Since the PCM uses inexpensive components, it offers an economical
investigation of a possible ZPE coherence associated with high voltage
pulses and discharges.
A ten stage PCM amplifies the current by a factor of ten. Two
such PCM's can be combined in series to create a multiplication factor
of 100 (Figure 4). The output from the first PCM is impressed across the
input of the second. Since the pulses entering the second PCM will not
be as sharp, larger blocking inductances will be required in it. The principle
can be extended to a third PCM in series to give a multiplication
factor of 1000. Thus a sharp 40 KV spike could be stepped down to a
less steep 4 KV pulse and then to a wider 400 volt pulse. The second and third PCM 's will require more robust circuit components since
appreciable current is being accumulated. Once the pulses become sufficiently wide, then Standard, solid state switching technology can be used instead of the blocking inductances to create a PCM via Standard electrical engineering, voltage division techniques. Such a PCM could be
employed last in the series. An appropriate configuration of PCM's can
thus become an efficient voltage spike Converter.
output current pulse occurs across the B terminals. The inductors' purpose
is to block the sharp input voltage pulse (via high impedance) and
channel it down the (low impedance) series path which should be physically short.
Hi GiantKiller,
Thanks for your http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/ (http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/), BTW.
This inverter is not mine. It comes from this vid:
"Fabriquer un onduleur : Incroyables Expériences [73] Make an inverter / Homemade inverter / DIY"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uap1bj3F-UA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uap1bj3F-UA)
Schematics at 6Min37Sec.
Users (Armand and Victor) "Incroyables Expériences" are Young witty and creative French guys
(this is not incompatible) Who, IMHO, would be more inspired to explore 'OU' than Official Science.
They should be grant-aided by TPTP. No?
Screen shot:
(http://freenrg.info/4OUR_F/Ondul.jpg)
As you can see, I have invented nothing.
BTW, this tiny Falstad (dot com) simulator is not too dumb.No?
Cheers,
Jean
E2 Prof PT Pappas is one of my Faves , particularly here with this substitution, I know the guy himself is all F'd up and can't drive his key board , but what a sweet turn, don't you think?
http://papimi.gr/university.htm
(http://papimi.gr/university.htm)
substitute amp force law for Bertie's... spit the pips out of that!. Gotta love his style !
Quote from: Duncan on 2014.01.20, 19:41:13
E2 Prof PT Pappas is one of my Faves , particularly here with this substitution, I know the guy himself is all F'd up and can't drive his key board , but what a sweet turn, don't you think?
http://papimi.gr/university.htm
(http://papimi.gr/university.htm)
substitute amp force law for Bertie's... spit the pips out of that!. Gotta love his style !
Yes Pappas is Greek I assume and probably doesn't have the best handle on English but it comes across as understandable. Thanks for that link as it is a good reminder for me. I looked at his site a while back when he had a monetary challenge on it I believe but didn't really look that close at his info. Awesome stuff! I'm going to spend some time reading through it all despite the shouting (CAPS) and wild colors. I guess it may be a valid thing to be shouting in brilliant colors though as what he has to say is really important ;)
e2 he's shouting ok ;D no its rather the guy has suffered multiple strokes and is left with very limited movement and I think his visions suffered too! hence it all looks a bit childish, It isn't as I'm sure you see, the guys heart is in the right place and he's trying to tell his story , that's how I read it. O0
Salve a Tutti and Digemer mad,
I have received 3 of this tiny gizmo's motors:
(http://freenrg.info/4OUR_F/3PhaseGenerator_Motor.jpg)
I you have some ideas of experiments they would be very welcome.
Should I be able to test them, of course...
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Actually, I have figured out that:
1) If you want to achieve some 'resonance' (in the Falstad simulator) sine waves are more easy to deal with.
(= it simply does not work with square waves)... This is normal. Is it not?
Yet, I remain suspicious with this simulator.
BTW, E2Matrix? (Reply #4 on: 2014-01-03, 21:34:12), is your "Black and Decker 750 watt inverter"
a "pure" sine wave one? According to the price, It should not be.
2) Most off-the-shelf and DIYed (cheap) inverters do not give even an approximate sine wave.
Have you ever seen (on scope) the wave form of the output voltage of such cheap inverter? Pure garbage.
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I want to reproduce the E2Matrix experiment with this tiny Chinese motor.
As far as I can catch it, what E2Matix claims is: a running (AC - 1.5HP - 3 phases) motor (with some torque)
that seems not depleting the (12V) input bat and even increasing its voltage (during some time). Right?
For this I just need a small few watts inverter. Strongly preferably delivering sine wave ???
Yes, it is possible to build an almost sine wave inverter, it suffices to browse the web, but it is more tricky.
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Now#1, Ladies and Gentlemen, some skeptic considerations:
As I already told you, I once was able to get similar results with a Johnnie Dib SSG (Simplified School Girl)
"motor" run by a Dadhav CCT (CirCuiT).
The behavio(u)r of the run bat. voltage was something like:
(http://freenrg.info/4OUR_F/SSG-DadHav-Bat_Volt.jpg)
Pretty real but evanescent effect, ghost charging?
Now#2, (non skeptic considerations, thanks to Duncan) what if "something" changed in the (input) bat that
needed a reciprocal modification of the "'charging" part?
Which? what? How? Why? ??? ??? ???
Yours sincerely,
Jean
I relay this from the same thread re - energetics
Hello again Duncan
I should of wrote more. Just so you know, I also believe this is the correct path, but you already know that
Quote: Duncan
On this occasion I have a possible conjecture that you might find interesting .
Yes, this is exactly the principle I am seeing in Tesla's machine, to operate. ( and many more, once I realized). Pure induction motor. We'll see. I'm really excited about this.
I have a 2 phase gen finished, my toroid wound, but I just can't seem to get the time to finish. Over next couple days I hope.
You know, only a few would even bother to look up what your talking about, but that is life. Maybe One person opens a book, with the intent to learn, with passion, then it was worth it..
You do know, in Latin, Dr., simply means, teacher.
I love your spirit Duncan, your a fighter, and whether you like it or not, you are a good teacher.
Here, for those who can't open books.
(http://i1153.photobucket.com/albums/p520/machinealive/image_zps506ef2c0.jpg)
Hi Jean two induction motors and some meccano I think I'd just have to try this 'en miniature'
there's more detail on the thread .. the jigs up
as for your simulator not being able to convert a square wave to a sine wave .. hopeless ! >:( That's where the transformation (and the magic) happens. Watch this video Jean you will see at resonance
regardless of what waveform is applied to the coil the result is a perfect Sine wave ( or at least as perfect as a sine wave gets)
not much use for COP >1 work if it can't get that important bit right C.C
Hello Duncan,
Thanks for answering.
I already (a couple of years ago) had figured out (by myself) this 'square wave to sine wave transformation
effect' with my (very) old tiny scope, a (not so cheap?) signal generator and a mere small trafo
(no cap at all as a coil has some capacities).
Now, according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square_wave
"The ideal square wave contains only components of odd-integer harmonic frequencies
(of the form 2π(2k-1)f). Sawtooth waves and real-world signals contain all integer harmonics."
So, IMHO, it is easier to get some kinda 'resonance' with mere sine waves that have no "harmonic"
I mean: Thomson formula applies. No?
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BTW, and Off Topic, the Sawtooth Waves are, IMHO, more pleasant for the ear.
You can listen: "Eurythmics - Sweet Dreams"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0CbvoVhIXY
Very nice (and expensive, I guess) Sawtooth waves digital instrument. No?
I wish I had such a 'big sound' when (more than 10 years ago) Music was my main center of interest.
When you compose (or play) music you can get some satisfaction even if you are the only one interested in your
production.
Now, I'm essentially interested in FreeNRG... And I'm just wondering whether I can get any satisfaction?
"I can't get no SATISFACTION • Original • The Rolling Stones • 1965"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJUVt-nTS28
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For those who might be intersted in:
A piece just remixed with a lot of (cheap Sound Card) Sawtooth synth:
http://www.freenrg.info/4OUR_F/ND_TEKBZH.mid
Beware, this is 'pot free' musik but from and for boozer. ;D :D :-X
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To be more positive, this afternoon, I watched this vid:
"Radiant Energy Lecture By Peter Linderman". (bad Spelling, BTW)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPK5sGKdBMQ
IMHO, the form is a little bit boring but the substance gave me some very interesting inputs.
I have learnt some things.
More precisely: Eric P. Dollard have is own way explaining stuffs.
P. Lindemann is another style (and, BTW, far more understandable for a non native English speaker)
but both are complementary.
Yes, indeed, for the nitpickers and the bl' skeptics: Peter Lindemann (or EPD) is... or is not... any nasty bla bla bla...
But, starting with the 'C' note the Phrygian (Spanish) Mode is:
C - C#/Db - D#/Eb - F - G - G#/Ab - A#/Bb - (C)
This Spanish mode is immediately identified by most of people and can not be 'debunked' by skeptics..
This is why I love Music...
For those who also might be interested in the book (Basic Electricity) quoted in the PL vid, i
It is here:
http://www.freenrg.info/4OUR_F/Basic_Electricity_Volumes_1_through_5.pdf
Avec mes plus amicales considérations,
Jean
is energetics forum shut down ?
EF is up but I've noticed fairly often it goes down for a short while. Not sure if it's the forum software or a poor web hosting service. This is a way to check when you think a site is down but are not sure if it's you (your routing) or actually down: http://www.isitdownrightnow.com/