Anyone understand tracert results.
I can log in from home but from work it times out as if the website is down, i tried 2 computers at work and reset the router, ive checked to see if the server has the ip banned and it does not, my provider are saying it's not them GRRRR.
Could it be the timeout in line 3
Here's a tracert
Tracing route to overunityresearch.com [192.254.232.169]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms . [192.168.2.1]
2 46 ms 54 ms 39 ms lo0-central10.ptw-ag02.plus.net [195.166.128.196
]
3 * * * Request timed out.
4 37 ms 39 ms 38 ms xe-0-2-0.ptw-cr02.plus.net [212.159.0.250]
5 39 ms 53 ms 45 ms 10gigabitethernet5-1.core1.lon1.he.net [5.57.80.
128]
6 38 ms 40 ms 49 ms 10ge3-1.core1.lon2.he.net [72.52.92.222]
7 104 ms 103 ms 112 ms 100ge1-1.core1.nyc4.he.net [72.52.92.166]
8 122 ms 121 ms 121 ms 100ge7-2.core1.chi1.he.net [184.105.223.161]
9 151 ms 150 ms 149 ms 10ge3-2.core1.den1.he.net [184.105.213.86]
10 173 ms 175 ms 174 ms 10ge4-2.core1.slc1.he.net [184.105.222.154]
11 * * * Request timed out.
12 * * * Request timed out.
13 * * * Request timed out.
14 * * * Request timed out.
15 * * * Request timed out.
16 * * * Request timed out.
17 * * * Request timed out.
18 * * * Request timed out.
19 * * * Request timed out.
20 * * * Request timed out.
21 * * * Request timed out.
22 * * * Request timed out.
23 * * * Request timed out.
24 * * * Request timed out.
25 * * * Request timed out.
26 * * * Request timed out.
27 * * * Request timed out.
28 * * * Request timed out.
29 * * * Request timed out.
30 * * * Request timed out.
Trace complete.
C:\Documents and Settings\Peter>TRACERT www.overunityresearch.com
Tracing route to overunityresearch.com [192.254.232.169]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 1 ms 2 ms 1 ms . [192.168.2.1]
2 35 ms 36 ms 35 ms lo0-central10.pcl-ag01.plus.net [195.166.128.182
]
3 * * * Request timed out.
4 34 ms 35 ms 36 ms xe-10-0-0.pcl-cr01.plus.net [212.159.0.192]
5 36 ms 37 ms 37 ms ae2.pcl-cr02.plus.net [195.166.129.7]
6 35 ms 35 ms 36 ms ae1.ptw-cr02.plus.net [195.166.129.2]
7 35 ms 36 ms 37 ms 10gigabitethernet5-1.core1.lon1.he.net [5.57.80.
128]
8 37 ms 36 ms 44 ms 10ge3-1.core1.lon2.he.net [72.52.92.222]
9 105 ms 102 ms 119 ms 100ge1-1.core1.nyc4.he.net [72.52.92.166]
10 120 ms 125 ms 126 ms 100ge7-2.core1.chi1.he.net [184.105.223.161]
11 192 ms 147 ms 147 ms 10ge3-2.core1.den1.he.net [184.105.213.86]
12 170 ms 170 ms 159 ms 10ge4-2.core1.slc1.he.net [184.105.222.154]
13 * * * Request timed out.
14 * * * Request timed out.
15 * * * Request timed out.
16 * * * Request timed out.
17 * * * Request timed out.
18 * * * Request timed out.
19 * * * Request timed out.
20 * * * Request timed out.
21 * * * Request timed out.
22 * * * Request timed out.
23 * * * Request timed out.
24 * * * Request timed out.
25 * * * Request timed out.
26 * * * Request timed out.
27 * * * Request timed out.
28 * * * Request timed out.
29 * * * Request timed out.
30 * * * Request timed out.
Trace complete.
Peter,
Trace route uses UDP protocol by default and really needs to be enabled on all devices along the path in order to be conclusive.
There could well be a routing issue somewhere along the line. Also, keep in mind many routers are actually firewalls and it's quite common to see some of them mis-configured.
How long have you been unable to connect from work?
I've not been able to log on or even load this website here while using my desktop computer for a long time now, but I can log on using my laptop on the same network, just recently (last two days) i've been unable to load up the overunity.com website as well now with the desktop computer.
However I have a mobile wireless broadband "hotspot" device, and with it my desktop computer will load up all sites, so it seems the problem with the wired broadband provider, the wired broadband is provided by a different provider than the wireless broadband.
To recap, when using my desktop computer connected to a wired network I have been unable to load up this site for a long time, now since just recently I can not load up the overunity.com site either. Something is not working. But I don't think it is in the site code because now overunity.com won't work either and it's only with this one computer and these two sites on my wired broadband connection.
Quite odd.
Hi Farmhand
OH sorry to hear that, not sure why it is.
Matt
Was like it when i got into work this morning, it's not just this site, seems to be all my hosted websites and hence i cannot read any email accounts, right now i am remoting from work to my home comp and surfing that way, which is alright until the Mrs starts playing Candy Crush 8)
And it could well be the "Internet Kill Switch" we have heard talk about has multiple settings to slowly block people out. Sites like this one with real people doing real research would obviously be a target.
I would start to get real suspicious if after a few days, things do not return to normal.
Wow there will be trouble if that happens.
anyone know if there's a tool i can diagnose with.?
There may be some temporary congestion in that "area" involving the site's host and your office
If they want to kill you, then they'll kill you. They don't need to be fancy.
Why haven't they killed the CEO of Nissan for producing the Leaf?
I think you are right Paul, they can only block a person by ip address and i have changed that, it has to be that tracert No3 which is plusnet my provider, I've opened a ticket says it can take 19 hours GRRR.
Dear Peter.
You may, or may not be aware of the passing of what has become known as "The gagging law" here in the UK. ??
Part of the brief was to ban access to what was termed as "Esoteric" web sites. Mainly aimed at the reduction of Pornography but "Esoteric" could be expanded to all sites that don't quite fit the Governments ideas of what our society should be reading about.
It would seem that quite a number of ISP's are already "towing the line" and switching off certain WWW sites they feel are Esoteric !!
Just a thought.
Cheers Grum.
Peter,
I have at times had similar problems and always just after certain comunications with third parties that just might be deemed by listeners in to be a bit near the point that they do not like. One time they completely wiped my files and that was when I was away for a few days. My computor was off but was accessed remotely by switching it on when connected via the router, sometimes I find my computor on when it has been off, I now disconnect the router as well when I go away.
My neighbour is a programmer and he went through my computor and found an auto download program, this by exterior switch on was downloading files to a holding point where later they would be collected, no way of knowing by whom.
Things in this day and age that we have to live with, but now I am careful not to hold important things on my computor, I have two and the other one is never connected to the net.
Regards
Mike 8)
Indeed, makes these pen drive bootable systems appear very handy at times.
This about it positively, it probably means we are close to figuring out OU with one of the devices.
As a computer and network tech for many decades I'll toss in my view on this. First thing I would try is to get Tails ( https://tails.boum.org/ ) which will get you on Onion routing and most likely bypass any blocks. It is also one of your best annonymous setups and a complete very secure Linux OS which can be booted from a CD/DVD or USB pen drive. You could also get the TOR browser by itself here: https://www.torproject.org/ which also is very secure. However since both of those will take some download time here are some other things to try that are quicker and simpler. Get Security Kiss Tunnel or Spotflux which are both excellent free proxy programs and should bypass any blocks. Small and they work well. Security Kiss is limited to 300 MB / day unless you subscribe but that would be plenty for email and forum work. Spotflux is unlimited free but has pop ads any time you open a new web page - not that bad really.
Another yet even easier thing to try is to change your DNS settings to use Googles DNS servers : 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 This might get you around some of the problems just by changing these in your Control panel > network options. Some other causes of these problems can be your hosts servers or the servers along a route to your intended destination IP. While the Internet is supposed to go around such issues as these sometimes things get bad enough for a while (usually less than a day) that you may not be able to reach a few destinations from your location. If you try the Tails though it should get around most of this. Hopefully this is not a sign the the Net Neutrality ruling that just passed this week thanks to F***ING companies like Verizon and Comcast. They are the Internets worst ENEMIES. My suggestion is that if you have a Verizon phone - change to another company. If you have Comcast change to any of the many other ways to get your content.
Two more quick notes. If you are trying out Tails or a Tor browser you will likely find Internet speeds to be slower but not generally a problem for forum browsing or low bandwidth surfing. One other smaller and extremely secure Linux OS that is setup with the TOR network is Liberty Linux. It's a complete OS with industrial strength security (it even wipes your RAM when you shutdown - or did you think shutting off your computer that RAM was safe just 'cause you pull the plug when the MIB's coming busting in on you ? LOL - think freeze spray ... ) - and is still lightweight in size coming in at only about 220 Megabytes - easy and fairly fast boot even from a slow USB pendrive. Liberty Linux is here: http://dee.su/liberte
Just another quick note for anyone who wants to try Tails (I highly recommend) is to choose 'Windows camouflage' when it asks if you want more options on the initial bootup. Choose yes to more options and if you choose Windows camo it will make the whole OS a lot more like Windows for anyone who has not used Linux much. Tails was just today released in version 1.0 but it has been around a long while. It is well supported and updated often. For anyone wishing to use this as a multiboot option I recommend going to www.pendrivelinux.com and getting the free Yumi multiboot installer. Best thing that has every happened for multiboot. While it is intended for USB pendrives or external USB hard drive I found it also works with internal hard drives but don't try using it on your already installed Windows OS.
Wouldn't you know it? The first time I've ever seen a problem getting the Tails download is today. I just went there to grab it myself but it seems 1.0 is missing at the moment. If you want to grab there previous version to try it out it is here: http://dl.amnesia.boum.org/tails/stable/tails-i386-0.23/ which is about 940 Megabytes so depending on your D/L speed you might want to wait until they get 1.0 up or you can probably get 1.0 from their torrent download link.
NEVERMIND C.C It seems they have already fixed the 1.0 direct download - it's working again.
Wow e2matrix
Thanks ever so much, i will try some of that when i get to work, i look forward to trying tails especially O0
Cheers
Peter
Try....
tracert -d -4 -h 40 www.overunityresearch.com > our.txt
then....
type our.txt |more
More often than not, WindBlows is showing prowess (not) on avoiding confusion of IPV6 in a process, domain name resolution round-robin problems and circular logic results.
I can have very similar traceroute results from my WindBlow$ box and a perfectly clean result from my OpenBSD boxen.
Don't add more fluff to Micr0$not products. They have enough already embedded.
Hi WaveW
Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.
C:\Documents and Settings\Peter>tracert -d -4 -h 40 www.overunityresearch.com >
our.txt
C:\Documents and Settings\Peter>
C:\Documents and Settings\Peter>type our.txt |more
Tracing route to overunityresearch.com [192.254.232.169]
over a maximum of 40 hops:
1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 192.168.2.1
2 36 ms 36 ms 37 ms 195.166.128.182
3 * * * Request timed out.
4 37 ms 36 ms 35 ms 212.159.0.192
5 42 ms 38 ms 36 ms 195.166.129.7
6 67 ms 35 ms 35 ms 195.166.129.2
7 36 ms 39 ms 49 ms 5.57.80.128
8 39 ms 36 ms 38 ms 72.52.92.222
9 102 ms 101 ms 113 ms 72.52.92.166
10 119 ms 120 ms 119 ms 184.105.223.161
11 149 ms 149 ms 149 ms 184.105.213.86
12 160 ms 162 ms 160 ms 184.105.222.154
13 * * * Request timed out.
14 * * * Request timed out.
15 * * * Request timed out.
16 * * * Request timed out.
17 * * * Request timed out.
18 * * * Request timed out.
19 * * * Request timed out.
20 * * * Request timed out.
21 * * * Request timed out.
22 * * * Request timed out.
23 * * * Request timed out.
24 * * * Request timed out.
25 * * * Request timed out.
26 * * * Request timed out.
27 * * * Request timed out.
28 * * * Request timed out.
29 * * * Request timed out.
30 * * * Request timed out.
31 * * * Request timed out.
32 * * * Request timed out.
33 * * * Request timed out.
34 * * * Request timed out.
35 * * * Request timed out.
36 * * * Request timed out.
37 * * * Request timed out.
38 * * * Request timed out.
39 * * * Request timed out.
40 * * * Request timed out.
Trace complete.
C:\Documents and Settings\Peter>
Thanks
Peter
and from home where it works
Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.
C:\Documents and Settings\Peter Evans>tracert -d -4 -h 40 www.overunityresearch.
com > our.txt
C:\Documents and Settings\Peter Evans>type our.txt |more
Tracing route to overunityresearch.com [192.254.232.169]
over a maximum of 40 hops:
1 42 ms 99 ms 99 ms 192.168.1.254
2 16 ms 15 ms 34 ms 195.166.128.188
3 15 ms 15 ms 15 ms 212.159.2.184
4 15 ms 15 ms 15 ms 212.159.0.216
5 15 ms 27 ms 46 ms 195.166.129.7
6 16 ms 16 ms 14 ms 195.166.129.2
7 15 ms 24 ms 22 ms 5.57.80.128
8 28 ms 22 ms 27 ms 72.52.92.222
9 150 ms 83 ms 91 ms 72.52.92.166
10 98 ms 98 ms 98 ms 184.105.223.161
11 216 ms 130 ms 131 ms 184.105.213.86
12 140 ms 149 ms 150 ms 184.105.222.154
13 142 ms 143 ms 149 ms 66.160.133.118
14 143 ms 180 ms 143 ms 199.58.196.65
15 * * * Request timed out.
16 142 ms 143 ms 142 ms 192.254.232.169
Trace complete.
C:\Documents and Settings\Peter Evans>
Wow now i am getting paranoid, I've been tracking someone for days near San Francisco who has been reading my explosion's in a wire experiments, and when i look up the IP that's denying me 66.160.133.118.
I cant remember the IP address now, better keep an eye out O0
I assume you've asked at work if they are blocking any IP address ranges ?
For the IP you listed in the last post:
From whois.com IP : 66.160.133.118 belongs to:
NetRange: 66.160.128.0 - 66.160.207.255
CIDR: 66.160.128.0/18, 66.160.192.0/20
OriginAS: AS6939
NetName: HURRICANE-7
NetHandle: NET-66-160-128-0-1
Parent: NET-66-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Allocation
RegDate: 2003-10-09
Updated: 2012-02-24
Ref: http://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-66-160-128-0-1
OrgName: Hurricane Electric, Inc.
OrgId: HURC
Address: 760 Mission Court
City: Fremont
StateProv: CA
PostalCode: 94539
Country: US
RegDate:
Updated: 2011-04-13
Ref: http://whois.arin.net/rest/org/HURC
ReferralServer: rwhois://rwhois.he.net:4321
OrgTechHandle: ZH17-ARIN
OrgTechName: Hurricane Electric
OrgTechPhone: +1-510-580-4100
OrgTechEmail: @he.net
OrgTechRef: http://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/ZH17-ARIN
OrgAbuseHandle: ABUSE1036-ARIN
OrgAbuseName: Abuse Department
OrgAbusePhone: +1-510-580-4100
OrgAbuseEmail: @he.net
OrgAbuseRef: http://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/ABUSE1036-ARIN
RAbuseHandle: ABUSE1036-ARIN
RAbuseName: Abuse Department
RAbusePhone: +1-510-580-4100
RAbuseEmail: @he.net
RAbuseRef: http://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/ABUSE1036-ARIN
RTechHandle: ZH17-ARIN
RTechName: Hurricane Electric
RTechPhone: +1-510-580-4100
RTechEmail: @he.net
RTechRef: http://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/ZH17-ARIN
RNOCHandle: ZH17-ARIN
RNOCName: Hurricane Electric
RNOCPhone: +1-510-580-4100
RNOCEmail: @he.net
RNOCRef: http://whois.arin.net/rest/poc/ZH17-ARIN
If you want to get really paranoid about all those watching get this nice little network traffic watch program ;) :
http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/network_traffic_view.html
It's a free program too.
Thanks but i better not start monitoring traffic 8)
So is it the one before timeout or the first timeout that's blocking me, is this common and no we don't block any IP's at work it's only me O0
What do i need to do, contact the tech email address above.
Thanks for your help e2matrix, i cant even read any email without remoting into my home comp.
Peter,
Move that exploding wire experiment to a members only area.
If you still have the items for that experiment you can make something very interesting with it.
Peter,
From your results I strongly suspect that your work gateway, or your work provider, is intentionally not replying to pings. This also breaks conventional traceroutes.
However, there does appear to be a packet dropping issue between Ace Data Centers and WebSiteWelcome
He.net is a major backbone and colocation provider but I doubt they are tier-1. The person viewing your exploding wire experiments 'IS' your colocation provider's internet upstream provider (Ace Data Centers).
Use HE's looking-glass to traceroute from other points for more troubleshooting. ( lg.he.net )
Quote from: Peterae on 2014.04.30, 20:02:30
Thanks but i better not start monitoring traffic 8)
So is it the one before timeout or the first timeout that's blocking me, is this common and no we don't block any IP's at work it's only me O0
What do i need to do, contact the tech email address above.
Thanks for your help e2matrix, i cant even read any email without remoting into my home comp.
It would be the first timeout that is a problem but it doesn't always mean that server is THE problem. I would put Puppy Linux on a flash drive (even a one gig will work but probably better a 4 gig - less than $5 from many sources now) and see if you get the same results. Tails won't work to use traceroute since that is one of the very things it prevents for security reasons. Go into the Terminal (or Console) in Puppy Linux and use the traceroute command to see what you get. You could have something messed up with Windows or a virus or malware. Running a traceroute from Linux will eliminate that possibility and you will know for sure if it's your computer or something else. I've even seen network adapters go bad to where they flake out part of the time causing problems similar to this although I see that as a less likely scenario. Puppy Linux is small and very easy to use also and can be run from a CD or usb flash drive easily. Just grab a Puppy Linux Iso and burn it the iso to a CD and you can either boot that way or boot it up from CD and then make a bootable usb flash drive (it's a menu selection in Puppy Linux that let's you make a bootable Puppy Linux flash drive). If you have a laptop you could also probably run it at work off Puppy to see what traceroute finds that way too. Several versions of Puppy - here is one that should be easy and is only about 156 Mb : http://distro.ibiblio.org/quirky/precise-5.7.1/precise-5.7.1.iso
Puppy seems to work well with most common hardware and you can be up and on the Internet once you've booted it in just a minute or two.
I would give that tech a phone call if possible as it may be faster to get an answer but email may work. Sometimes they are quite busy and slow to respond but everyone is different.
BTW do you have a firewall ? You should if you don't but I'll assume you do and if so can you look at logs of blocked web sites? The logs of them can tell you a lot. Sometimes firewalls can get messed up too and will end up blocking a lot of things they shouldn't which could cause the problems you are having also.
I was going to try puppylinux, that times out as well, see tracert below.
I tried the google DNS setting, made no difference.
My ISP responded
QuoteEu is having data transfer problems. unable to replicate on a dial test but appears the I.P. may have been blocked as it is failing at the host servers.
I'm wondering if it's something to do with my router now.
I would rather fix this just in case it happens again, and anyway i want to know the cause >:(
Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.
C:\Documents and Settings\Peter>tracert www.puppylinux.org
Tracing route to www.puppylinux.org [66.96.160.129]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 192.168.2.1
2 37 ms 52 ms 37 ms lo0-central10.pcl-ag04.plus.net [195.166.128.185
]
3 * * * Request timed out.
4 36 ms 36 ms 37 ms xe-0-2-0.pcl-cr02.plus.net [212.159.0.206]
5 36 ms 35 ms 40 ms ae1.ptw-cr02.plus.net [195.166.129.2]
6 50 ms 37 ms 53 ms ae2.ptw-cr01.plus.net [195.166.129.4]
7 * * * Request timed out.
8 38 ms 38 ms 38 ms ae-51-51.csw1.London1.Level3.net [4.69.139.88]
9 40 ms 35 ms 37 ms ae-115-3501.edge3.London1.Level3.net [4.69.166.1
30]
10 37 ms 37 ms 39 ms be3043.ccr22.lon01.atlas.cogentco.com [130.117.1
5.245]
11 38 ms 39 ms 37 ms be2315.ccr22.lon13.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.73
.109]
12 123 ms 123 ms 124 ms be2391.ccr22.bos01.atlas.cogentco.com [154.54.44
.237]
13 * * * Request timed out.
14 * * * Request timed out.
15 * * * Request timed out.
16 * * * Request timed out.
17 * * * Request timed out.
18 * * * Request timed out.
19 * * * Request timed out.
20 * * * Request timed out.
21 * * * Request timed out.
22 * * * Request timed out.
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24 * * * Request timed out.
25 * * * Request timed out.
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28 * * * Request timed out.
29 * * * Request timed out.
30 * * * Request timed out.
Trace complete.
C:\Documents and Settings\Peter>
OK fixed it, i did a factory reset on my router.
Thanks for your help guys O0
Quote from: Peterae on 2014.05.01, 13:17:58
OK fixed it, i did a factory reset on my router.
Thanks for your help guys O0
Good going. We were all about to go on Level 10 Alert!
Do you ever do a major backup of the site?
Remember way back we had a forum called TPU123 when @otto was doing his ECD experiments? Well, before it went offline I backed up the complete site. The forum did not last that long so the backup was not that big.
wattsup
Regular backups are done at server level.
OK i have only partly solved the problem.
My router sits in a cupboard attached to a pc i use for storage and bitcoin mining. i can remote into this and it's connected via ethernet, no monitor or keyboard on it, but OUR.com timesout even though it connects via ethernet.
Now to reset the router i took it out of the cupboard and connected it to my main comp using ethernet, normally i wireless into the router, well it worked OK when i ehterneted in, but having put it back in the cupboard it stops allowing OUR.com again.
Strange thing is that the comp in the cupboard with ethernet connection OUR does not not work either.
So i took it out the cupboard again and connected to main comp again using ethernet and it works, go back to wireless to my router and it stops again.
Very strange, still scratching my head right now.
At least i know it's not the my isp to host server connection, despite it looking that way from tracert.
Quote from: Peterae on 2014.05.01, 14:29:13
Regular backups are done at server level.
OK i have only partly solved the problem.
My router sits in a cupboard attached to a pc i use for storage and bitcoin mining. i can remote into this and it's connected via ethernet, no monitor or keyboard on it, but OUR.com timesout even though it connects via ethernet.
Now to reset the router i took it out of the cupboard and connected it to my main comp using ethernet, normally i wireless into the router, well it worked OK when i ehterneted in, but having put it back in the cupboard it stops allowing OUR.com again.
Strange thing is that the comp in the cupboard with ethernet connection OUR does not not work either.
So i took it out the cupboard again and connected to main comp again using ethernet and it works, go back to wireless to my router and it stops again.
Very strange, still scratching my head right now.
At least i know it's not the my isp to host server connection, despite it looking that way from tracert.
I hope that what "type" can not be used for those good people ....
Wow this is weird, i finally got it working, it turned out the dial on demand setting in my router was not ticked, but it gave the same fault, i could surf most websites but i think anything with a logon was timing out, or something like that anyway.
Well i am working again THANK GOD :)
LOL - glad it wasn't the MIB's...
LOL indeed, but it's still not fixed yet, i thought it was and it was for a while, seems to work sometimes having reset the router but other times it just wont work, i think it's either the router or my wireless dongle, I've tried googling things and been trying various but still no solid fix, as both comps don't work one with ethernet and other with wireless i guess it must be the router although i am also having suspicions that one comp maybe screwing it up as it seems to work more often with the ethernet disconnected.
I hate intermittent faults, thing is i only have 2 more weeks at the place with this setup anyway so i am not going to loose sleep over it.
@Peterae
I remember the last time I had to reset my router I also had to readjust the default value for MTU from 5000 to 4096 or something otherwise the router would lag.
wattsup
yep did try, was 1472 it was suggested to try 1400, i will try higher then tomorrow O0
Thanks
Peter