TinMan is playing with some interesting effects in water with Magnets
its hard to follow at OU.com so I am placing it here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pc8Iw1OwYxI&list=UUsLiBC2cL5GsZGLcj2rm-4w
OU thread is here
http://www.overunity.com/14767/ultimate-proof-of-magnetic-vortex-free-book-and-videos/270/#.U80umeNdWZk
TinMans work is also being discussed here
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/19618-utterly-new-type-homopolar-motor-just-invented-off-my-book-video.html#post261712
thx
Chet
Dear Chet.
OMG !! That thread is one hell of a mess !!
I know first hand that Aussies are thick skinned but I personally would have thrown in the towel a long time back !! :) Tinman my hat is off to you !! O0
I had a little play about earlier on and floated a small disc Neo magnet on a pool of Mercury. Got it to spin beautifully. Does that prove anything ??
I read that the rotation was being "supposedly" caused because the magnet was conducting current. It was suggested to use a ceramic magnet ?? What are the thoughts on applying an electrostatic/HV source to a ceramic magnet suspended in Mercury ??
Musings !!??
Cheers Grum.
Lol-yes ,quite messy over there Grum,but i keep going because i hold great interest in this spin theory. It would be nice to get the opinions of you guys here on your thought's. I have a lot more experiments to do yet,and some of the one's i have already done need to be gone over again-like the electromagnet one. I just dont see why the vortex wont form with the electromagnet like it dose with the PM ???
The other thing that has me a bit stumped is-if the homopolar works on the right hand rule deal,then how come it works in water,when the current flow is from all directions-via the water.
Next we try for a full wireless spinning magnet lol.
Grum
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I had a little play about earlier on and floated a small disc Neo magnet on a pool of Mercury. Got it to spin beautifully
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Mercury Huh?
Lots of Lore around about Mercury ...
gotta Vid on that settup?
thx
Chet
So, the rotating magnet in the water is not a homopolar motor?
Quote from: TinMan on 2014.07.21, 20:51:43
The other thing that has me a bit stumped is-if the homopolar works on the right hand rule deal,then how come it works in water,when the current flow is from all directions-via the water.
You are confirming to me with these kind of experiments that what W.B. Smith said about spin is dead on. Ken Wheeler elaborates on the concept, but I'm having a heck of a time understanding it. The part I do understand from Ken is that the poles of a magnet appear the way they do based on your point of reference; the direction of spin is the same at both ends, but what you perceive from one side is clockwise and what you see at the other is counter-clockwise, but the spin through the magnet is in one direction.
Being down under, did you reference which pole of the magnet is touching the screw? And do we know if this gizmo will run the same direction here North? I would presume it would, but these days... I would no longer bet money on it.
Quote from: Matt Watts on 2014.07.22, 01:43:51
You are confirming to me with these kind of experiments that what W.B. Smith said about spin is dead on. Ken Wheeler elaborates on the concept, but I'm having a heck of a time understanding it. The part I do understand from Ken is that the poles of a magnet appear the way they do based on your point of reference; the direction of spin is the same at both ends, but what you perceive from one side is clockwise and what you see at the other is counter-clockwise, but the spin through the magnet is in one direction.
Being down under, did you reference which pole of the magnet is touching the screw? And do we know if this gizmo will run the same direction here North? I would presume it would, but these days... I would no longer bet money on it.
Hi Matt
In regards to the spin-Quote: The part I do understand from Ken is that the poles of a magnet appear the way they do based on your point of reference; the direction of spin is the same at both ends, but what you perceive from one side is clockwise and what you see at the other is counter-clockwise, but the spin through the magnet is in one direction.
That is correct. When looking at the magnet from side on,the spin from bottom to top is the same ,but if you turn the magnet upside down,or look from undernieth,it is spinning in the opposite direction-that is whats ment by !! your point of reference
Take a square piece of clear glass,and draw a spiral on it-say clockwise. Now flip the sheet of glass over,and the spiral is now counter clockwise. Frame of reference= from where your viewing. You know those little toy car's with the flywheel drives-that you give a few pushes,and then let go,and off they go. Well when you send it on it's way,let it go a few feet,then pick it up,turn it 180* then set it back down-and off it go's in the opposite direction,even though the wheels are still spining in the same direction.
Here is another perfect example. We know a wood drill bit only drills in one direction.Now if we hold the drill with the drill bit faceing up,and rotate the drill bit slowly,we can see the spiral bit looking like it's running down the drill bit to the chuck. If we face the drill down to the ground,the spiral on the drill bit looks like it's going up towards the chuck-and yet the drill is still running in the same direction.
Here i done a test as requested by picowatt on OU.I have electrically insulated the side of the magnet,and yet the magnet still spin's.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xmwnsCw2BI&list=UUsLiBC2cL5GsZGLcj2rm-4w
Hi TinMan,
What I see is a sipinning electrolysis that will destroy the magnet is due time.
The resistance of the electrolyte would depend on the amount of energy needed, also you will be creating HHO.
Did I miss anything?
Tom.
Quote from: Tommey Reed on 2014.07.22, 10:25:56
Hi TinMan,
What I see is a sipinning electrolysis that will destroy the magnet is due time.
The resistance of the electrolyte would depend on the amount of energy needed, also you will be creating HHO.
Did I miss anything?
Tom.
yes-that is what i said in all the video's.
Hi Brad
Yeh that forum is the pitt's. Remember that vid you have seen of HHO that I sent you? think about it, the electromagnet is AC or pulsed as in RF. I have a theory that a perminent magnet emitts pulses which no one has really thought about it doing that, lets face it it is a field of waves.
Try this with your electro magnet, my experiments in this field are for hydrogen production and uses both the electro magnet pulsed and also the electrodes at nano second pulses. A perminent magnet in my setup also works, hence my theory of a perminent magnet is a pulsating field, a DC electro magnet is not ;) a difference that could change the way we look at things :D
Great videos as always :)
regards
Mike 8)
Quote from: TinMan on 2014.07.21, 20:51:43
Lol-yes ,quite messy over there Grum,but i keep going because i hold great interest in this spin theory. It would be nice to get the opinions of you guys here on your thought's. I have a lot more experiments to do yet,and some of the one's i have already done need to be gone over again-like the electromagnet one. I just dont see why the vortex wont form with the electromagnet like it dose with the PM ???
The other thing that has me a bit stumped is-if the homopolar works on the right hand rule deal,then how come it works in water,when the current flow is from all directions-via the water.
Next we try for a full wireless spinning magnet lol.
Maybe I'm missing something but your experiment seems to be doing exactly what it should.
You explained it perfectly except it should work. Keep in mind a homopolar generator
creates a radial current. A disc has an infinite amount of radii thus every point on the
edge of the disc is capable of generating a current. Reverse that, i.e, create a motor,
and every point is capable of drawing a current.
Oldtimers used to use mercury to function as slip rings when drawing current from their HPG's
to ensure good contact at the edges, fully immersing the the edge.
Your conductive water is basically the mercury and instead of using the it to capture
current you are using it to transfer current to the disc. Your experiment works beautifully.
Quote from: GFT on 2014.07.22, 11:10:45
Oldtimers used to use mercury to function as slip rings when drawing current from their HPG's
to ensure good contact at the edges, fully immersing the the edge.
Yes,that is correct. But what would happen if they immersed the whole disc(including the shaft) in mercury,as i have done with the water?
This is what I should have put at the top of the Page.
What is causing this Vortex ?
why is this not common knowledge [or is it]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfqNkmqXfn4
Quote from: TinMan on 2014.07.22, 11:53:57
Yes,that is correct. But what would happen if they immersed the whole disc(including the shaft) in mercury,as i have done with the water?
From the video it looks as if your shaft extends out of the tank.
I think the rod becomes an extension of the screw.
Quote from: GFT on 2014.07.22, 12:29:40
From the video it looks as if your shaft extends out of the tank.
I think the rod becomes an extension of the screw.
It seems you have essentially built what in this pic.
@tinman
Welcome to the OUR forum where free energy sanity may reside and where discussion is "usually" based on a higher modicum of mutual respect. hahaha
I had put up a drawing at OU to show you the dynamic difference in form between your coil test and the magnet test. There was no comments. Fine.
Look, just take a tall glass of water. Place your magnet on a small base so it is about 1" above the bottom. Then drop a BromoSeltzer in the water that will produce air bubbles that should saturate the volume of water. Then tell us if the bubbles spin on their own over the magnet like you showed in your first vids.
Calcium Hypochlorite (swimming pool shock treatment) will also produce only fine air bubbles since this reverts to oxygen when in contact with water, but it has a very stringent smell so your room has to be well aerated. (Actually I use that to make pills that I ingest once in a while to increase oxygen content to fight of bacteria, virus and parasites. It's called MMS2 - hahaha). Works great.
The other methods for producing bubbles without using any electrical impulse on plates that may be leaving behind a remnant charge on the bubbles that then reacts to the magnet while rising up the sidewall are,
- Small air pump pushes air through a submerged air diffuser to produce micro bubbles.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6pGXlrrzjY
This video is great because it also shows the difference between regular water and salted water at 2% (sea water is about 3.2% or 32,000 ppm salt content). When the salt water tank if fully saturated and the bubbles are almost standing still in the water, that is the only time a magnet should be submerged into the tank to see if there is a vortex on the top that occurs on its own, without any direct source of atom splitting producing rising bubbles as experimented thus far. Notice the right tank is producing some vortexes.
- Small water pump with a small venturi that creates micro bubbles as water flows through the venturi.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4czczYnuM_w
I tried to explain to @TA about the bubbles and how to test. I tried to explain to him about his TV screen and how a magnet effects the screen but the visible fine patterns he sees are not indicative of any same fine patterns exiting the magnet. I tried to explain to him about ferrofluid and the dynamics of fluid surface tension and that his ideas have to hold against a myriad of natural conditions and they do not, but despite all this, not one direct comment was produced by him that held any logic save his same responses. That says it all man, this guy is like a diode, one way in, one way out. There is no going back, no possible change of notions, no possible consideration of alternative perspectives, only his and only his way. That only leads to dead ends for everyone. You see, if he would have rebutted my comments with some perfectly understandable and logical notions, I am more then open to change and not afraid of modifying my own ideas when they better fit nature. But he cannot, so his best strategy is to just continue on as he is doing while insulting people left right and center.
So tell me, when you see the sand in the dessert producing fine sandy waves, is it the wind that is doing this alone as a top impinged wave pattern or is it the wind direction based on the given sand particle size that are reacting to the wind and producing those waves. @TA would say the wind just created the sandy waves from one vertical drop of wavy air patterns. Go figure.
So..............I won't be posting any more on his OU thread simply because @TA does not want to talk. All he is doing is repeating the same talking points, same words, same sentences, same lingo, all to say nothing and ultimately, all I am doing is wasting my time. This origin topic is top on my study list since many years and I was really looking forward to scramble brainwaves with someone I thought had something to say. If I wanted to engage in such "diodeisms", I'd buy a parrot and teach it my own words and sentences to be repeated back to me 100 times a day. I don't need @TA for that. All @TA is doing is describing what he sees and not what the reasons of the effects are. So he says there is a big dance around the magnets, one side hoot'in, the other side holler'in and all this creates a mass interplay of fields upon fields upon fields that is PROVEN by the patterns on the TV screen. hahaha. What a total joke. I am very disappointed because I thought he had more substance then that.
But at least while preparing my second to last post over there, I finally discovered where the problem was, now as clear as wiping a dusty window to see through it at last and I will be developing my final exposure of what I consider is the central pivot to all EE, and that is Spin Conveyance. Remember these two words man. They will change how we see EE. Man have we been wrong, we have managed to over complicate the simple and it's time to bring simple back, like when Tesla was around.
In actual fact, I don't give two f&*ks what @TA thinks or does because I know the actual readers out there, after so many years many have learned how to "read between the lines" while others will just gobble up anything. I cannot change the latter and will not even try. hahaha
wattsup
PS: @GK, thanks for the PMs. I really needed them at this time. I'm checking your back man, always. I'll be on your thread soon and have some great stuff to explain there about SM. Maybe just to say, I've always wanted SM to be real. But my pragmatic and logical side only wants the truth and has no place for hope, so all I can do is be real to who I am, as I am and just roll with the punches. If we wind up discovering both OU and also that SM was a fake (or not), then SM would indeed still have played a role in all of it either directly or indirectly, by the force of things, he would have some influence either as a direction or misdirection leading to the end result. In an way, SM forced us to leave our standard mindset and learn to think out of the box. Thanks again.
Wattsup
Kens ["TA"} NO Bubbles, No wires. No power, just a static stationary magnet creating a multiple Vortex
Vid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfqNkmqXfn4
he says he is also making a better Vid
thx
Chet
Quote from: wattsup on 2014.07.22, 16:49:27
@tinman
Welcome to the OUR forum where free energy sanity may reside and where discussion is "usually" based on a higher modicum of mutual respect. hahaha
I had put up a drawing at OU to show you the dynamic difference in form between your coil test and the magnet test. There was no comments. Fine.
Look, just take a tall glass of water. Place your magnet on a small base so it is about 1" above the bottom. Then drop a BromoSeltzer in the water that will produce air bubbles that should saturate the volume of water. Then tell us if the bubbles spin on their own over the magnet like you showed in your first vids.
Calcium Hypochlorite (swimming pool shock treatment) will also produce only fine air bubbles since this reverts to oxygen when in contact with water, but it has a very stringent smell so your room has to be well aerated. (Actually I use that to make pills that I ingest once in a while to increase oxygen content to fight of bacteria, virus and parasites. It's called MMS2 - hahaha). Works great.
The other methods for producing bubbles without using any electrical impulse on plates that may be leaving behind a remnant charge on the bubbles that then reacts to the magnet while rising up the sidewall are,
- Small air pump pushes air through a submerged air diffuser to produce micro bubbles.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6pGXlrrzjY
This video is great because it also shows the difference between regular water and salted water at 2% (sea water is about 3.2% or 32,000 ppm salt content). When the salt water tank if fully saturated and the bubbles are almost standing still in the water, that is the only time a magnet should be submerged into the tank to see if there is a vortex on the top that occurs on its own, without any direct source of atom splitting producing rising bubbles as experimented thus far. Notice the right tank is producing some vortexes.
- Small water pump with a small venturi that creates micro bubbles as water flows through the venturi.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4czczYnuM_w
I tried to explain to @TA about the bubbles and how to test. I tried to explain to him about his TV screen and how a magnet effects the screen but the visible fine patterns he sees are not indicative of any same fine patterns exiting the magnet. I tried to explain to him about ferrofluid and the dynamics of fluid surface tension and that his ideas have to hold against a myriad of natural conditions and they do not, but despite all this, not one direct comment was produced by him that held any logic save his same responses. That says it all man, this guy is like a diode, one way in, one way out. There is no going back, no possible change of notions, no possible consideration of alternative perspectives, only his and only his way. That only leads to dead ends for everyone. You see, if he would have rebutted my comments with some perfectly understandable and logical notions, I am more then open to change and not afraid of modifying my own ideas when they better fit nature. But he cannot, so his best strategy is to just continue on as he is doing while insulting people left right and center.
So tell me, when you see the sand in the dessert producing fine sandy waves, is it the wind that is doing this alone as a top impinged wave pattern or is it the wind direction based on the given sand particle size that are reacting to the wind and producing those waves. @TA would say the wind just created the sandy waves from one vertical drop of wavy air patterns. Go figure.
So..............I won't be posting any more on his OU thread simply because @TA does not want to talk. All he is doing is repeating the same talking points, same words, same sentences, same lingo, all to say nothing and ultimately, all I am doing is wasting my time. This origin topic is top on my study list since many years and I was really looking forward to scramble brainwaves with someone I thought had something to say. If I wanted to engage in such "diodeisms", I'd buy a parrot and teach it my own words and sentences to be repeated back to me 100 times a day. I don't need @TA for that. All @TA is doing is describing what he sees and not what the reasons of the effects are. So he says there is a big dance around the magnets, one side hoot'in, the other side holler'in and all this creates a mass interplay of fields upon fields upon fields that is PROVEN by the patterns on the TV screen. hahaha. What a total joke. I am very disappointed because I thought he had more substance then that.
But at least while preparing my second to last post over there, I finally discovered where the problem was, now as clear as wiping a dusty window to see through it at last and I will be developing my final exposure of what I consider is the central pivot to all EE, and that is Spin Conveyance. Remember these two words man. They will change how we see EE. Man have we been wrong, we have managed to over complicate the simple and it's time to bring simple back, like when Tesla was around.
In actual fact, I don't give two f&*ks what @TA thinks or does because I know the actual readers out there, after so many years many have learned how to "read between the lines" while others will just gobble up anything. I cannot change the latter and will not even try. hahaha
wattsup
PS: @GK, thanks for the PMs. I really needed them at this time. I'm checking your back man, always. I'll be on your thread soon and have some great stuff to explain there about SM. Maybe just to say, I've always wanted SM to be real. But my pragmatic and logical side only wants the truth and has no place for hope, so all I can do is be real to who I am, as I am and just roll with the punches. If we wind up discovering both OU and also that SM was a fake (or not), then SM would indeed still have played a role in all of it either directly or indirectly, by the force of things, he would have some influence either as a direction or misdirection leading to the end result. In an way, SM forced us to leave our standard mindset and learn to think out of the box. Thanks again.
Hi Wattsup
I was just about to PM you at OU,and see if you could slip over to this thread,but here you are already-cool.
Looking forward to some calm in the storm O0. But now it's 4.30am, and im off to work for another 14 hour shift.
Before we get started here on this subject,i would like to get something cleared up in regards to the homopolar motor(pictured bellow) First up-do PM's have field lines running out the north,and back into the south end,or is it just a solid force with no such line's?(using terms here that most associate with magnets) Some say yes,and some say no.
Second-looking at the motor below,can some one please tell me if it is the magnets field acting apon the magnetic field around the orange wire,when current starts to flow,that causes rotation. If so,how is a directional force obtained from a uniform magnetic field of the PM,and the uniform magnetic field from the wire-and please dont say the !right hand rule! thing either,as that dosnt give me an answer.
Once this is cleared up,then we can go onto the next question i have,regarding my motor working in the water.
Dear Brad.
May I ask a simple question ??
If there was a spiral field being generated by the PM, why does it not manifest itself whilst sitting on a Mercury pool, or for that matter simply suspended on a thin string ?
It seems that an electrical current passed through is the only way this phenomena comes to life. Does this current enhance the effect ? Slow it down to a point where it can be seen visually ? Some months back I did the opposite of you, fixed a Neo in an electrolyte and created the whirlpool in a glass. Oh, and quite a mess !! As the magnets plating eroded. ;D
To me, that is the first goal !!
Cheers Graham.
Quote from: TinMan on 2014.07.23, 10:47:49
Before we get started here on this subject,i would like to get something cleared up in regards to the homopolar motor(pictured bellow) First up-do PM's have field lines running out the north,and back into the south end,or is it just a solid force with no such line's?(using terms here that most associate with magnets) Some say yes,and some say no.
I don't think we can use magnetic field lines as a proper description of what is really happening here. I made it past half of Ken Wheeler's e-book and the thoughts that are crossing my mind are that the planar dielectric field is being shifted Northerly or Southernly by the electric current. This planar disc wants to center itself to steady state in the middle. The permanent magnet IS SPIN in its steady state. So the phenomena you are seeing is the planar disc of dielectric trying to center itself and as it does so, it climbs up or down the vortex spin of the PM. This is why the direction of current offsets the planar disc a specific direction causing a specific direction of rotation in the permanent magnet.
I could be completely off my rocker, but if I am, it's Ken's fault. :)
Quote from: Grumage on 2014.07.23, 17:03:35
Dear Brad.
May I ask a simple question ??
If there was a spiral field being generated by the PM, why does it not manifest itself whilst sitting on a Mercury pool, or for that matter simply suspended on a thin string ?
It seems that an electrical current passed through is the only way this phenomena comes to life. Does this current enhance the effect ? Slow it down to a point where it can be seen visually ? Some months back I did the opposite of you, fixed a Neo in an electrolyte and created the whirlpool in a glass. Oh, and quite a mess !! As the magnets plating eroded. ;D
To me, that is the first goal !!
Cheers Graham.
Hi Graham.
Yes,these are the first test i did,with the magnet fixed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-37Ecjd7FQQ&list=UUsLiBC2cL5GsZGLcj2rm-4w
I am trying to figure out a way to watch the fields form as a magnetic field slowly intensifies.
Matt
I have not had time to read Ken's book [traveling and working]
I appreciate your thoughts and interpretation...
helps me understand a bit
thx
Chet
The PM is conductive maybe some ionic interaction carrying current causes the spin. Have you tried this with a non conductive magnet or perhaps seal the whole holder used in cling film to insulate it.
The electromagnet is copper wire I assume, have you tried steel yet?
It may only work with ferromagnetic materials.
A suggested couple of ideas if you have the time to rule out these possibilities.
It's already fascinating seeing the vortex only appear with a PM.
Great work. O0
BIG NEWS GUY"S>
Tonight i have confirmed that there is two sepperate spin directions on the magnet !!in the case of my setup in water!!This would seem to be in line with TA's diagram below. In my case,it seems the right hand rule dosnt apply to one of these spin directions ???. I am uploading the video at the moment,and it will take some time. But i will remain awake until it's done,and put the link in this thread asap.
It may be time we opened our mind a bit,and may have to look a little closer at the huble PM.
Im off back to the work shop to do a confermation test with fixed magnets.
TinMan
Looking forward to those tests.....
something really cool about this!!
thx
Chet
here is my latest test,showing CW/CCW spin. So which one dosnt apply the the right hand rule?
next video will give polarities and field orientation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n358gtR7gr8
Here is my second video,with both magnets being the same,and both placed in identical conditions-only one has the insulated sides.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhBGQNkyWUM
I think you see what I've been trying to explain from Ken:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dilk8gcDxac
Magnetism is spin, plain and simple. Funny we should have realized this when winding the thousands of coils we have wound over the decades. The good news is, I think we can wind them even better now, since we know a magnet has two opposite spins associated with it--a central spin and an exterior spin.
Tin man,
I think your spin directions are easily explained by the same rule. The field direction coming out of the top of the magnet is opposite to the field direction alongside the magnet, so you would expect different spin directions for current flowing towards the magnet. But the same rule applies to both positions. Don't ask me whether it is the LH or RH rule because I'm not sure exactly what you are seeing that spins, is it electron flow or ion flow? Probably ion flow in which case that is the same direction as current so the LH (motor) rule should apply.
Smudge
Here is my latest experiment,using a ferrite ring magnet from a speaker.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCCA0rPiS5w&list=UUsLiBC2cL5GsZGLcj2rm-4w
TinMan
you make a comment at 9,40-47
can you please clarify?
thx
Chet
Quote from: TinMan on 2014.07.27, 12:16:28
Here is my latest experiment,using a ferrite ring magnet from a speaker.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCCA0rPiS5w&list=UUsLiBC2cL5GsZGLcj2rm-4w
Great detective work TinMan. This last video of yours shows the effect better than any other I have seen.
Are you ready yet to do something similar for an electromagnet?
@TinMan
Just saw your latest vid.
Please do not take my interjections as a personal critique, but I really need to say a few things relative to such tests.
Just take the loop of wire you used for the pulses, energize it and put a compass beside it. Do you see the needle move? You see the problem created there is that you want to see the effect of the magnetic field turning a vortex but you have right beside it a wire that is pulsing and creating bubbles via electro-cavitation that may also have or induce stray charges into the bubbles, and then you say, the magnet is creating a vortex.
That again is not the right way. You need to find a way to generate bubbles that are far enough from the magnet and can be concentrated enough around the magnet to see if there will be a spin without any other influences near the magnet.
Just for some background, I am a water treatment professional and own three companies since 1988. One of my system designs was used to build the Canadian Forces Mobile Water Treatment Unit which they use all over the world now to produce potable water for up to 1000 soldiers. Any water, any time, winter, summer, ice water, swamp water, all can be treated to produce good clean water. So I know a little bit about water and I get paid very well to fix water problems. I have done alot of R&D in water treatment methods and hope one day to produce a device that will treat all types of water problems using the electro-coagulation principle. So I know a little bit about water.
The easiest way to produce bubbles in water.
1) Bromo Seltzer in a glass of water.
2) Calcium Hypochlorite (Swimming Pool Shock Treatment) in a water tank will produce oxygen bubbles but the room needs to be aerated.
3) Small water pump pushes water through a Mazzei Venturi (Model 384) or as per pump rating. See here and check on Ebay for cheap offers.
http://mazzei.net/performance-data?q=injector-performance
4) Air pump pushes air through an air stone submerged in water.
5) The taller the container the better to produce a good height of air bubbles plus the height would provide different bubble concentrations from top to bottom so the magnet could be tested in varying levels of bubble concentration.
Also, in every test with a magnet, you need to test again with a dummy form that is close to the magnet dimensions to see if the magnet is producing a vortex because of its form or is the effect only produced by the magnet.
The stick that holds the magnet should be in the form of the letter "J". So the magnet can be inserted from the top but held from underneath via the thinnest rising stem possible so the stem does not become a guiding influence to any non-magnetic vortex formation.
But overall, or otherwise, what @TA is trying to prove will never be in any type of agreement. I am just perplexed that his own level of critical judgement about what type of experiments are or are not suitable is so low that I am not surprised he may be jumping to so many conclusions actually all based on what he wants to see occur and not what is actually occurring in his experiments. His claims are grandiose but he needs to equate them more to reality and less to any unintentional but causal trickery.
wattsup
Quote from: Matt Watts on 2014.07.27, 18:24:44
Great detective work TinMan. This last video of yours shows the effect better than any other I have seen.
Are you ready yet to do something similar for an electromagnet?
see magnetoydrodynamics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_DjbYZ2eCM#t=117
https://www.flickr.com/photos/luca_prioli/6609969517/
http://www.yourepeat.com/g/Magnetohydrodynamic
Well so far,most of what i have shown can be explained by accepted physics-except the last test with the speaker magnet-im not sure as to why the spin direction is the wrong way around to what the right hand ruel says it should be.Will have to look at that one again soon.
What Ken is proposing is probably valuable information, but I have asked him various off-the-cuff questions on the EF forum and he has for the most part dodged them. I detect a difference between what he knows and what he thinks he knows. Either that or he is unable to explain things in terminology I can understand. Which puts the ball back in our court to figure this all out with enough certainty to make use of the principals involved.
Because electricity and magnetism are interrelated, we really need a sound understanding of both to make much headway, preferably in some form of geometric analogy that can be easily visualized.
For TinMan to see
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOfsz1ENYjU
from here
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/19563-propulsion-rotary-devices.html#post262847
thx
Chet
See the pool table? Hustlers...
Here's the search
https://www.google.com/search?q=MACQUAN-ONE&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=sb (https://www.google.com/search?q=MACQUAN-ONE&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=sb)
Quote from: Chet K on 2014.08.13, 18:53:10
For TinMan to see
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOfsz1ENYjU
from here
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/19563-propulsion-rotary-devices.html#post262847
thx
Chet
Thanks Chet for the link.
Looking at that video closely,something just dosnt look right when he removes the chocks. I think there may be fishing line teathers holding that thing up?.
Anyway-i picked up my new lathe today,and i start my holidays next week,so i will be building my version of an inertia drive next week-lets see how we go.