https://www.technocracy.news/index.php/2017/07/04/fatal-courtroom-act-ruins-michael-hockey-stick-mann/
Thanks to member ronee for the link.
Chet K
Well i guess the polar ice cap's are melting because ????the water is too salty? C.C
Anyway,just across the border
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/jul/07/tesla-to-build-worlds-biggest-lithium-ion-battery-in-south-australia?CMP=share_btn_tw
Brad
Quote from: Chet K on 2017.07.07, 08:01:02
https://www.technocracy.news/index.php/2017/07/04/fatal-courtroom-act-ruins-michael-hockey-stick-mann/
Thanks to member ronee for the link.
Chet K
Thanks Chet, there is a difference... I should have posted the graph, so here it is...
(https://s1.postimg.org/9fdonzegv/hockey-stick-graphs.jpg)
Ron
what I found today
https://thsresearch.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/ef-gast-data-research-report-062717.pdf (https://thsresearch.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/ef-gast-data-research-report-062717.pdf)
Mike
Quote from: Kator01 on 2017.07.07, 17:01:20
what I found today
https://thsresearch.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/ef-gast-data-research-report-062717.pdf (https://thsresearch.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/ef-gast-data-research-report-062717.pdf)
Mike
Good one Mike. I am literally aghast at the deliberate misrepresentation of GAST. Yet so many people swallowed it hook line and sinker. Thanks for you confirming link.
Ron
more news on this topic
http://climatechangedispatch.com/breaking-michael-mann-doubles-down-over-contempt-issue/
Well im not sure how anyone thinks that there has not been a temperature increase-even in the last 40 years.
I remember as a young kid,we use to spend all day,both days of the weekend,down at the river swimming.
Never did we wear a shirt or sunscreen,and never did we get sun burnt. We use to ride around the streets on our pushbike's all day without a shirt on,and never got sunburn.
But now-now you spend just 1/2 an hour in the summer sun,and your cooked.
These were just some thoughts/memories of my past childhood to today,and i have been alive long enough to see the change for myself.
So,i thought i would look up Australia's history on average temperature's over the last 40 years :o
The evidence seems to agree with my account of temperature change in the last 40 years.
Brad
@Tinman
QuoteI remember as a young kid,we use to spend all day,both days of the weekend,down at the river swimming.
Never did we wear a shirt or sunscreen,and never did we get sun burnt. We use to ride around the streets on our pushbike's all day without a shirt on,and never got sunburn.
But now-now you spend just 1/2 an hour in the summer sun,and your cooked.
I remember spending endless days on the river fishing, boating and exploring in my teens. Hell as a farm boy the only time I ever went inside was to eat or when it was too dark to do anything outside. As you say it ain't like that anymore and things have changed. I fear my children and my grandchildren may never know what we knew which is why I do what I do. This isn't about me or my opinions and I have no problem with being wrong about anything. Hell I'm wrong about most things but not climate change because it's so in your face it's impossible to deny.
It's here and it's happening and the only question which remains is what are we going to do about it?.
Tim Ball seems to have a interesting past...rationalwiki.org/wiki/Tim_Ball.
http://www.exxonsecrets.org/html/personfactsheet.php?id=1164
Retired - Professor of Geography, University of Winnepeg
Senior Scientific Advisor, Friends of Science Chairman and Chair of the Scientific Advisory Committee, Natural Resources Stewardship Project (NRSP)
QuoteTim Ball was a "scientific advisor" to the oil industry funded Friends of Science, an organization well known for its climate skepticism and politically charged attack ads. Ball is a member of the Board of Research Advisors of the Frontier Centre for Public Policy, a Canadian free-market think tank which is also predominantly funded by foundations and corporations. Ball is also a writer for Tech Central Station, a climate denial website run by the PR firm DCI Group.
Tim Ball was a professor of geography at the University of Winnipeg from 1988 to 1996. He is a prolific speaker and writer in the skeptical science community.
So he is a professor of geography not climatology and an oil industry advisor so we should be clear he is not a climatologist and the list just goes on and on. When we do the research it always comes back to the fact all these fake organizations and research groups are simply fronts for the oil and gas industry.
@Tinman
I remember spending endless days on the river fishing, boating and exploring in my teens. Hell as a farm boy the only time I ever went inside was to eat or when it was too dark to do anything outside. As you say it ain't like that anymore and things have changed. I fear my children and my grandchildren may never know what we knew which is why I do what I do. This isn't about me or my opinions and I have no problem with being wrong about anything. Hell I'm wrong about most things but not climate change because it's so in your face it's impossible to deny.
It's here and it's happening and the only question which remains is what are we going to do about it?.
Tim Ball seems to have a interesting past...rationalwiki.org/wiki/Tim_Ball.
http://www.exxonsecrets.org/html/personfactsheet.php?id=1164
Retired - Professor of Geography, University of Winnepeg
Senior Scientific Advisor, Friends of Science Chairman and Chair of the Scientific Advisory Committee, Natural Resources Stewardship Project (NRSP)
Tim Ball was a "scientific advisor" to the oil industry funded Friends of Science, an organization well known for its climate skepticism and politically charged attack ads. Ball is a member of the Board of Research Advisors of the Frontier Centre for Public Policy, a Canadian free-market think tank which is also predominantly funded by foundations and corporations. Ball is also a writer for Tech Central Station, a climate denial website run by the PR firm DCI Group.
Tim Ball was a professor of geography at the University of Winnipeg from 1988 to 1996. He is a prolific speaker and writer in the skeptical science community.
So he is a professor of geography not climatology and an oil industry advisor so we should be clear he is not a climatologist and the list just goes on and on. When we do the research it always comes back to the fact all these fake organizations and research groups are simply fronts for the oil and gas industry. The funding and affiliations always point to the oil and gas industry thus they have no credibility.
https://xkcd.com/1732/
Yes it is happening, you don't need to look at others investigations, of which as shown are all manipulated, just look at WHAT YOU SEE FOR YOURSELF
It's not a question of "warming" as much as of change. Areas of the planet have changed their climate, where it was very cold in winter is now less cold, where it was not very wet is now very wet, floods etc. some areas where there was reasonable rain now has next to no rain. In the UK I was brought up with winters of snow and -10c every year without fail, and now very little or no snow and -5c. Last May one of my sons had 32c in the wash area of England (North Atlantic), never ever seen before and he is a geography professor.
If people can't see for themselves the changes, then we are doomed, and makes me wonder who they work for!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Look at all the natural disasters in the last 20yrs, they are on a "huge" increase, floods, areas of no rain, earthquakes, landslides, volcano activity, ice thickness and area in the poles, you can't put your head in the sand and say it is not happening, because it is.
Come on guy's, things are not normal, I go along with Tinman and Allcanadian on this, we are in trouble, and getting in deeper.
Regards
Mike 8)
QuoteIf people can't see for themselves the changes, then we are doomed, and makes me wonder who they work for!
I also found it a little odd that all of the people I know who have a vested interest in fossil fuels also have strong feelings climate change is not real. I don't mean some of them I mean all of them without exception. Then we have the conspiracy nut jobs who seem to have fallen prey to the biggest conspiracy in history. They have bought into the "climate change hoax" conspiracy hook, line and sinker.
Myself I didn't believe climate change was possible at first but after looking at all the facts I changed my mind. After looking at all the data and tracking down the real sources of all this fake media against climate change it became apparent to me we do in fact have a real problem.
I grew up in the oil and gas industry and I have seen first hand the stupid shit they do. Worked pipeline, the rigs, field operations and operating heavy equipment. The boys don't like to talk about climate change when I'm around because they know I do not tolerate stupidity. So when they bring up this climate change hoax BS it only takes a few minutes to teach them the error in their ways. In fact I hear the last hard core oil man I talked with is in the process of building a 10 MW solar farm. Their not all stupid it's just that they see no way out or other options. Show them a better way to make a living and most will jump at the opportunity.
Climate change is real and it's quite possibly the biggest threat we have seen in our lifetime. Those are the facts and at some point were going to have to deal with it.
Hi AC,
Only a fool would say the climate is not changing. Anyone over the age of 50 or so can easily remember the colder winters with lots of snow. At least in the area I grew up in.
My problem is the reasons given for the change and the exaggerated claims about how bad things are going to get because of some warming of the earth. Both sides of the issue have given lots of false data to back up their claims. You say you don't believe in any conspiracy theories yet you claim the oil companies are doing just that with their claims of no climate change and their backing of the climate change deniers. A problem I have with the conspiracy theory is that most people believe the oil companies control big government, yet it is big government that is promoting the idea of global warming. Something doesn't make sense there.
The fact is the earth has always been changing and will probably continue to do just that. An increase in CO2 is not a death knoll for the earth. Some independent studies have looked at data from the past and determined the earth went through a great warming trend during the middle ages. In fact it was much warmer then than now. Any fool could probably figure out our earth is heated by the sun. The energy from the sun is not always exactly the same. Any ham radio operator is familiar with the sun-spot cycles that normally occur every 11 years. These cycles do have an effect on the earth.
Yes there are some downsides to an increase in global temperature, but all the alarmist are totally ignoring any benefits the warmer climate will have. Their arguments are so one-sided as to be ridiculous.
Many plants thrive on an increase in CO2. Our heating costs in the north will and have gone down because of the warmer winters. Our costs for snow removal have also gone down. The number of auto accidents caused by slippery roads will go down. Our growing season is now getting longer in the U.S.
By the way in one of your posts you claimed someone had predicted about 10 years ago that the southern U.S. would become a desert with all moisture moving north into Canada. Well ten years have past and all signs of a drought we went through a couple of years ago are now totally gone. We have had two years now of above normal rainfall. So it appears the drought we had was just one of the normal cycles the earth goes through from time to time.
While I applaud your efforts to do something I still think they won't make a lot of difference. I do agree we should all do more to create less pollution and conserve what resources we have. That is one of the reasons I have spent time and money working on free energy projects hoping to make a difference. But I just don't buy into all the crap the alarmists keep putting out.
Respectfully,
Carroll
Quote from: CITFTA on 2017.07.08, 13:55:07
Hi AC,
Only a fool would say the climate is not changing. Anyone over the age of 50 or so can easily remember the colder winters with lots of snow. At least in the area I grew up in.
My problem is the reasons given for the change and the exaggerated claims about how bad things are going to get because of some warming of the earth. Both sides of the issue have given lots of false data to back up their claims. You say you don't believe in any conspiracy theories yet you claim the oil companies are doing just that with their claims of no climate change and their backing of the climate change deniers. A problem I have with the conspiracy theory is that most people believe the oil companies control big government, yet it is big government that is promoting the idea of global warming. Something doesn't make sense there.
The fact is the earth has always been changing and will probably continue to do just that. An increase in CO2 is not a death knoll for the earth. Some independent studies have looked at data from the past and determined the earth went through a great warming trend during the middle ages. In fact it was much warmer then than now. Any fool could probably figure out our earth is heated by the sun. The energy from the sun is not always exactly the same. Any ham radio operator is familiar with the sun-spot cycles that normally occur every 11 years. These cycles do have an effect on the earth.
Yes there are some downsides to an increase in global temperature, but all the alarmist are totally ignoring any benefits the warmer climate will have. Their arguments are so one-sided as to be ridiculous.
Many plants thrive on an increase in CO2. Our heating costs in the north will and have gone down because of the warmer winters. Our costs for snow removal have also gone down. The number of auto accidents caused by slippery roads will go down. Our growing season is now getting longer in the U.S.
By the way in one of your posts you claimed someone had predicted about 10 years ago that the southern U.S. would become a desert with all moisture moving north into Canada. Well ten years have past and all signs of a drought we went through a couple of years ago are now totally gone. We have had two years now of above normal rainfall. So it appears the drought we had was just one of the normal cycles the earth goes through from time to time.
While I applaud your efforts to do something I still think they won't make a lot of difference. I do agree we should all do more to create less pollution and conserve what resources we have. That is one of the reasons I have spent time and money working on free energy projects hoping to make a difference. But I just don't buy into all the crap the alarmists keep putting out.
Respectfully,
Carroll
I totally agree with you, If people were paying attention they would know that all the planets of the solar system have warmed up by the same amount in the same period of time. A increase in the co2 level caused by us will cause vegetation to grow better and so on. I don't think we can as a species really do much harm to a body the size of the earth excluding of course things like nuclear war. Thank you for posting some common sense on this matter.
Room
The prediction that scared me the most was 50 million climate refugees by 2010
Quote from: JimBoot on 2017.07.08, 17:17:54
The prediction that scared me the most was 50 million climate refugees by 2010
Panic over then?? :)
Quote from: Room3327 on 2017.07.08, 16:54:24
Room
QuoteI totally agree with you, If people were paying attention they would know that all the planets of the solar system have warmed up by the same amount in the same period of time.
And who provided this information?.
QuoteA increase in the co2 level caused by us will cause vegetation to grow better and so on.
Well,as long as the plant's can grow.
Who give's a toss about what our children and grandchildren will be breathing.
QuoteI don't think we can as a species really do much harm to a body the size of the earth
I have to take that as a joke,as nobody could actually believe that--could they?.
QuoteThank you for posting some common sense on this matter
.
I fail to see any common sense in any of that. :o
Brad
So we aim to save the planet and rub the imaginary sore that is climate change better? not every bodies cup of tea I know but George Carling has something to say on the subject that might amuse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB0aFPXr4n4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB0aFPXr4n4)
And yes as pointed out by room the ice caps on Mars are also receding at a phenomenal rate (alledgedly), Does anyone realistically think that fossle fuels and plastic bags used on earth some 35 Million (ish) miles away has anything to do it?
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming.html (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming.html)
There are also of course many on this forum who are well aware that fossle fuels are totally unnecessary anyway.!
And so on to these overpaid worthless duds who are going to alter the weather and all the others who rush to offer an opinion
Ask them to look out of a window - hopefully there will be a few clouds up there - Millions of tons of water on the move!
The calculation is a little Tedious but not difficult with the help of an old school giving rainfall so I'll put it here for Interest quite apart from anything else its yet another so called 'unknown' system and so point out that huge amounts of energy are freely available and that it is beyond any doubt.
Recently you will have watched the horrific fire in a block of flats in London, One of the major reasons such fires cannot be brought under control is the problem of lifting water which is very heavy to great heights in quantity and yet Nature does it with consummate ease unnoticed by most, constantly
To believe that the fundamental function of this huge engine is not fully understood by tptb (The powers that be) is crass and naive however the reasons that such information should be kept in the circle of 'the few' makes much more sense as you come to understand the politics of 'free energy'. .
I guess the first thing to dispel is 'water shortage' What water shortage? where has it gone ? where can it possibly go ? on a space ship perhaps?
There is surly as much water on our planet as ever there was not a penny weight more or less, Its true some may be in the sea or a river or as a temporary measure passing through you, or perhaps a dog,cow or other creature lucky enough to have access to pure clean water,
It is this huge natural irrigation system that provided the vast majority of this essential clean water.So what energy is required to drive this huge engine? I consider because IMHO that same unexplained energy source is the keystone to a lot of other devices - so to basics -
It transpires that the average rainfall for the entire earth is 32 inches per annum. If all that fell at one time the entire globe would be flooded to a depth of one meter. (sorry for mixing inches and meters tis an old atlas) This amount of water weighs about 480 million million tons so should always be handled with care (lifting with a straight back and wearing steel caped boots.)
Since water must be lifted by evaporation from every lake river river and ocean to an altitude of at least 1200 meters in order for it to fall as rain it works out that this massive irrigation effort requires the expenditure of 220 thousand million horse power continuously throughout the year. This irrigation system has been at work for millions of years and yet only a small part of the energy which impacts the earth is being used.
Using these figures alone every square meter of the earths surface receives over 1.25 K/W each day over a 12 hour period this is about 48,600 KW/hrs -- If you actually had to pay the nice electric man for this energy (and that doesn't include the lawmakers and banksters bonuses) you would soon be bankrupt.
I put these figures here lest any doubt that this energy isn't available - Its working every day moving millions and millions of tons in plain view. however any key component is simply removed from the education system -- evaporation ? what that ? how that work ? no one know ?? Really - do you believe that no one knows and its a mystery ?
If you do then I'll have to move you from the 'stupid but savable category' down the ladder to where the other morons who believe the global warming/climate change twaddle/swindle live.
who removed the key components from the eduction system and started playing 'mind games'? well initially It seems Rockefeller and the 'energy' industry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySnk-f2ThpE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySnk-f2ThpE)
eagerly followed by a grasping hungry elite who are driving a very unpleasant political agenda
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDPoZJNT1eM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDPoZJNT1eM)
so you tell me are you going to continue listening and reading great words of wisdom from tricksters who don't have the remotest idea of how a rain cloud works never mind 'save the bloody planet' ?
give the slimy shits a proper job preferably down a mine or perhaps digging taties (on minimum wage would be good) they are IMHO highly recompensed oxygen thieves.
Quote from: TinMan on 2017.07.08, 23:15:48
And who provided this information?.
Well,as long as the plant's can grow.
Who give's a toss about what our children and grandchildren will be breathing.
I have to take that as a joke,as nobody could actually believe that--could they?.
.
I fail to see any common sense in any of that. :o
Brad
Q1,
Well Tinman, heres one article, I'm sure you can find more if you look.
www.space.news/2015-10-06-entire-solar-system-is-heating-up-scientists-blame-solar-warming.html
Q2,
Plants growing provide what? oxygen!
Q3,
I'll back off that claim just for you.
Q4,
I fail to see the common sense coming from most of you, very subjective.
I know you don't like me but I'm still here aren't I.
Well
I hope you fellows don't take this the wrong way..
most who contribute to Peter's forum fall into the "common goal" or "men of like mind" category .
I often think what an amazing group of fellows contribute here ,the talent level is very deep
and the goals very clear ..
we all agree the earthship is a mess ...the captains [gov'ts] are running her to ground and stepping on the gas.
she's got holes everywhere , and here we are ...
Talking about the weather ??
maybe we could talk about politics next ?
or religion?
or sports ?
we may not all be the best of friends ,but when I look around ...we're all in the same boat ,and all have skills ..
and most want the best for the future ...
I don't see anybody else throwing us a line ?
there are plenty of places to argue,and its all too easy when we're frustrated and angry.
how are we gonna fix this ? [the boat]
I must add, here the road has been filled with bumps and disappointments ,but here the crew is better then they have ever been at spotting
dead ends and wasted paths ..
what an amazing bunch of fellows...
respectfully
Chet K
@Duncan
QuoteSince water must be lifted by evaporation from every lake river river and ocean to an altitude of at least 1200 meters in order for it to fall as rain it works out that this massive irrigation effort requires the expenditure of 220 thousand million horse power continuously throughout the year. This irrigation system has been at work for millions of years and yet only a small part of the energy which impacts the earth is being used.
Here are some numbers Duncan.
Way back in 2014 the world primary energy supply amounted to 155,481 terawatt-hour (TWh) and around 80% of that is from fossil fuels. That is 155,481,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 watts or around 208 million million horse power. You see your supposedly massive natural irrigation system pales in comparison to the damage we do and energy consumption is rising fast as we speak.
Can you even begin to comprehend how many billions and billions and billions of tons of hydrocarbons we have pumped out of the ground and released into our atmosphere?. Obviously you seem to have literally no idea in my opinion. The fact, the irrefutable fact is that anyone who thinks we can remove billions upon billions upon billions of tons of hydrocarbons from the ground and vaporize them into our atmosphere and think nothing will come of it has serious mental issues they need to address.
Start your car in a closed garage then pump water vapor in ... WTF do you think is going to happen Duncan?. Your garage is now a good example of what will happen to this planet over time on a larger scale if we continue to pump hydrocarbons from the ground into the atmosphere. All that condensation will form carbonic acid from the CO2 and it will literally eat away and kill everything in sight. Do you people not even understand basic chemistry?.
What do you think is going to happen when we pump all those hydrocarbons which also contain heavy metals from the ground into our atmosphere?. You should know exactly what is going to happen so why are you peddling complete BS?.
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QuoteQ1,
Well Tinman, heres one article, I'm sure you can find more if you look.
www.space.news/2015-10-06-entire-solar-system-is-heating-up-scientists-blame-solar-warming.html
Uh ha
Quote: The warming of the entire solar system has been supported by some scientists.
Quote:A reverse in the sun's magnetic poles has opened the flood gates: the solar system is experiencing an overflow of star dust.
Cant have to much star dust now. C.C
Quote: What is puzzling scientists is the amount of star dust that continues to flood the solar system
See what happens when you have too much star dust--it confuses the scientist's. :D
Quote: Scientists believe the sun's polarity may have not completely reversed in 2001. Instead of reversing, from north to south, the poles may have flipped only half-way
Oh,now they are not quite sure if the magnetic field flipped 180* or only 90*--must be all that star dust confusing them ;).
And you did see this statement-didnt you?
Quote: Their is no doubt that human activity is impacting climate change.
QuoteQ2,
Plants growing provide what? oxygen!
The bulk being from tree's--you know,the things we keep cutting down faster than they are replaced.
Plants also dont care to much for carbon monoxide O0
QuoteQ3,
I'll back off that claim just for you.
Well-just saying C.C
QuoteQ4,
I fail to see the common sense coming from most of you, very subjective.
Common sense :o
You'd have to be brain dead if you think that most of the changes are of a natural nature.
QuoteI know you don't like me but I'm still here aren't I.
And why would you think that?-because i disagree with you?
One would have to wonder why you are here,if you feel everything is all fine and dandy with the world.
Brad
Duncan, I thought that clip of Carlin's was very funny.
Chet I agree with you, Who keeps putting these kind of threads up?
Tinman, you know I don't think everything is fine and dandy with the world, I just think the problems with the world are different than what you think they are. We can agree to disagree can't we?
Room
Thanks Chet, I think everyone here want's clean energy not only for the environment but to free ourselves from big oil. The predictions for me have continuously proved erroneous I consider myself a greenie. I stopped voting green when they wanted a carbon tax here. I'm a vego so I'm NOT (apart from my only farts which I grant you is significant, if you listen to my wife anyway) contributing methane, I have solar power and the access I push back to the grid. Our water supply is rainwater only. My vegie patch is fully organic. In 2007 I ran a site promoting Global warming scare. I can no longer subscribe to the CO2 theory though when you look at some of the fraudulent data from Mann, climate gate etc. NASA even deleted a post saying the sun was more influential than CO2. I saved it. http://jimboot.com/ice-age-coming-deleted-from-nasa
I find terms like denier and consensus as non scientific. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.. it's probably a duck. I like John Coleman's assessment. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K56fms2VZTc
Quote from: JimBoot on 2017.07.10, 18:24:44
Thanks Chet, I think everyone here want's clean energy not only for the environment but to free ourselves from big oil.
I think your assessment is incorrect and naive. Nothing personal Jimbo O0
http://campaignopposingpolicesurveillance.com/2017/05/14/another-spycop-outed-andy-coles-andy-davey/
'Davey was so well entrenched that he begun to produce the group's newsletter. Shortly afterwards he also transferred the mailing list onto a computer. We were in the era when some organisations still did not have their own PC or internet access and his IT expertise was considered invaluable. Spies are trained to exploit skills shortages like this, to ensure they become trusted and above suspicion.'
@Jimboot
QuoteI think everyone here want's clean energy not only for the environment but to free ourselves from big oil.
I would agree and one cannot claim to be "independent" yet be completely dependent on everyone else for everything. I can't wait for the day I can say...your services are no longer required because I am independent and self-sufficient. For me it was always about being a man who can stand on his own two feet and think for himself and do things for himself. Which is rare in this day and age.
QuoteThe predictions for me have continuously proved erroneous I consider myself a greenie. I stopped voting green when they wanted a carbon tax here.
I was never a greenie per say but as an Engineer waste, inefficiency if not outright stupidity tests my patience. Hell a fair part of my income depends on the burning of fossil fuels but I am still willing to make the effort to do away with them because of the damage they cause. In effect rendering myself unemployed in some respects. That is what I call integrity not this nonsense where desperate people will do anything to keep their job and hold the status quo... that's what I refer to as a pussy. I can always find another job but a planet I can call home not so much.
QuoteI'm a vego so I'm NOT (apart from my only farts which I grant you is significant, if you listen to my wife anyway) contributing methane, I have solar power and the access I push back to the grid. Our water supply is rainwater only. My vegie patch is fully organic.
Your a good man Jim and it's easy to sit back and point fingers but it's quite another to act on our convictions. For me it was never about whether I would succeed at nailing FE and I have spent literally thousands of hours and years in R&D. It was the fact that I made the effort and I tried to do something good. If that makes me a fool then so be it but at the end of the day when my last day comes I can say I tried to make a difference and I can live with that. All we can do is try and what happens happens however I have buried too many people I cared about who's last words were "I should have done more". The fact is we only get one ride on this merry-go-round...make it a good one my friend.
Your much more likely to become unemployed due to Artificial Intelligence and a smart Alexa that can think, has no bad days or sickness, needs no days off or healthcare or even a desk?
just a really good programmer who can make a good demonstration.
and much sooner than we'd like to admit..
even hands on skills such as Doctors and precision surgeries are on The AI chopping block.
at the simplest level [limbless man servant] here is some news
http://nypost.com/2017/07/10/alexa-calls-cops-on-man-allegedly-beating-his-girlfriend/
maybe fake news ?
https://www.buzzfeed.com/ellievhall/alexa-call-911?utm_term=.nw5VRBD9L#.xvW7BNYWR
JIm and Brad
a question
is the Gas company owned by the Gov't in OZ ?
Really though does anyone believe that with the plummeting cost of solar and advancement of battery tech, fossil fuel burning will necessary within 15 years? What we do with old batteries though may be an issue.
Hi AC very nice to tarry with you again your figures on energy consumption I have no doubt are researched by you and so probably accurate as are the figures I calculated regarding the worlds massive natural irrigation system .
Although Massive in itself I hope you notice I pointed out Its only a small fraction of the available energy.
you go on to quote quite rightly the example a car running a ICE in a closed garage, well I would have no difficulty with that scenario and I'm sure you wouldn't either providing of course we could choose fuel.
Given a fuel thats already in use (certainly in two different airport hubs in Europe that I know of and municipal settings in the USA) but of course not available to the 'great unwashed cash cow' a fuel that is COP>1 and cleans waste product at the same time, I write of course of Magnegas and here's a short clip that explains why I would be quite happy to share a closed garage with an ICE running such a fuel. although of course this crude example isn't running pulsed DC in a a resonant circuit as the commercial units are .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfMHq64CW9U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfMHq64CW9U)
and so 'catch 52' There are alternatives but not for public distribution, and so those alternatives are suppressed.
That the weather pattern is altering I don't dispute - twas ever so- That a group of clowns with no evidence apart from corrupted graphs should be able to manipulate and tax the worlds economy's on the basis of it, is worrying to say the least.
Whats worrying is the use to which yet another bogus unaudited tax on so called 'Global warming' is to be put.. Although in my opinion 'over egged' Alex Jones in this documentary points out time and time again that the taxes collected from this swindle are part and parcel of 'The new world order plan'
and I should point out that if only a small fraction of this presentation is correct it needs stopping in its track and quickly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-CrNlilZho (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-CrNlilZho)
Of course thats just my opinion AC and I realize not necessarily yours. still I suspect 'Global Warming'
is a case of this quotation
"If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed."
Adolf Hitler
Its a sad fact that its starting to happen and the plan is unfolding as predicted in that old documentary. Chet what we look at here is something like an onion with layers , There has to be an element of truth before the masses can be rehearsed and convinced to swallow the lie. Unfortunately the prospect is staged in such a way as to be derisive.
To play the Devils advocate , There are simply to many people on our little planet, we have in the scheme of things been a very successful species. (naturally at the cost of other species)
Introduce 'free energy' to the human survival chain thinking it to be a panacea and a little thought tells you exactly the reverse is likely to happen .
A sudden massive increase in the most destructive species on the planet. Having accepted that as a distinct possibility I personally still sway towards releasing free energy technology simply because it is a truth and eventually 'a truth will out', that quite apart from the fact that I do not like the stench of the alternative being planned for our children and Grandchildren by the few megalomaniacs driving our bus.- Just saying.
So In short I believe there is a morsel of truth in the 'global warming scam' but a scam it still is unfortunately its also IMHO a part of a clever Tapestry of deception and is impossible to regard as a 'stand alone' subject HARRP is also in my opinion an important part of the stitching of that Tapestry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ik9Hw5kQ7yc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ik9Hw5kQ7yc)
it seems the simple observation of "things seem very different to when I was a youngster" ergo global warming must be a fact isn't good enough. It could well be a well funded and crafted web of deception.
Funded unknowingly by you and me with trickery and slight of hand by exactly the same small group who suppress free energy systems. The few hundred people who actually run our world
Duncan
I am not certain if there are any degree's which are not obsolete Now prior to graduation , in years past engineering being
the hardest to maintain a foot hold on current technologies [never ending schooling]
But this has the plus side [not the bad [for a flesh and blood engineer] , 24/7 365 up to date every second AI side] ,we will soon most likely be as creators here, bringing species back, making better use of our land mass ,[just look at the map and see all the emptiness between the coasts on most continents
and look at all this water?? AND ALL THE LAND UNDER IT...
sea levels ??
we need to reboot Mars maybe ?
grab some resources from the monstrous ware houses in our solar system??
The Kids "COULD" do this
I would personally Luv a sequoia in the back yard ,that new fast grow one on page 32 of the new mother earth news ...2027's spring edition
maybe I'll plant that new cheeseburger crop next century [since we become immortal shortly
[the newest Silcon Valley Craze in 2015----- ongoing Till its DONE eternal life project]
yeah that's the world we grew up in with a 2017 and beyond twist
and the one our kids do or could live in, where pollution becomes an asset/usefull product [especially the pollution from Japan]
remember the rules here... Nothing is destroyed ,..always has a potential use
But the KIds would have to learn to get along and be responsible with their resources and .........
................
so when do we get to work here on that new heat engine I read about a few weeks ago??
or some other idea?
somebody get me some Thorium...and a fine silica pumice , the world is becoming our oyster ...we may have done a lot of rearranging , but we seem in the unique position of being able to fix almost all of it..
and then some
is there truly any such thing as extinction anymore ?
will the once dead walk amongst us??
our generation will see the potential for the last blind man, the last deaf man, the last........
it will all be upgrades now ,and probably not far off from the comic book super hero's
you do realize we have become creator's.............
yeesh !!
the "kids" are gonna be busy
I hope
* everyday its like this Now
http://www.bbc.com/news/av/technology-40508099/living-dragonfly-drones-take-flight
dreams to reality ..
It would seem
all things are possible...or will be shortly..
regarding the weather or Big heat engine [and inevitable evaporation ?
look at all that horsepower [below] just waiting to be put to good use...
seems we will be steeped in water....
maybe Jim and Brad could use some in the 3000 mile desert between them ?
somebody give me some more Lemons
We have lemonade to make
Quote from: Duncan on 2017.07.11, 07:29:51
Hi AC very nice to tarry with you again your figures on energy consumption I have no doubt are researched by you and so probably accurate as are the figures I calculated regarding the worlds massive natural irrigation system .
Although Massive in itself I hope you notice I pointed out Its only a small fraction of the available energy.
you go on to quote quite rightly the example a car running a ICE in a closed garage, well I would have no difficulty with that scenario and I'm sure you wouldn't either providing of course we could choose fuel.
Given a fuel thats already in use (certainly in two different airport hubs in Europe that I know of and municipal settings in the USA) but of course not available to the 'great unwashed cash cow' a fuel that is COP>1 and cleans waste product at the same time, I write of course of Magnegas and here's a short clip that explains why I would be quite happy to share a closed garage with an ICE running such a fuel. although of course this crude example isn't running pulsed DC in a a resonant circuit as the commercial units are .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfMHq64CW9U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfMHq64CW9U)
and so 'catch 52' There are alternatives but not for public distribution, and so those alternatives are suppressed.
That the weather pattern is altering I don't dispute - twas ever so- That a group of clowns with no evidence apart from corrupted graphs should be able to manipulate and tax the worlds economy's on the basis of it, is worrying to say the least.
Whats worrying is the use to which yet another bogus unaudited tax on so called 'Global warming' is to be put.. Although in my opinion 'over egged' Alex Jones in this documentary points out time and time again that the taxes collected from this swindle are part and parcel of 'The new world order plan'
and I should point out that if only a small fraction of this presentation is correct it needs stopping in its track and quickly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-CrNlilZho (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-CrNlilZho)
Of course thats just my opinion AC and I realize not necessarily yours. still I suspect 'Global Warming'
is a case of this quotation
"If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed."
Adolf Hitler
Its a sad fact that its starting to happen and the plan is unfolding as predicted in that old documentary. Chet what we look at here is something like an onion with layers , There has to be an element of truth before the masses can be rehearsed and convinced to swallow the lie. Unfortunately the prospect is staged in such a way as to be derisive.
To play the Devils advocate , There are simply to many people on our little planet, we have in the scheme of things been a very successful species. (naturally at the cost of other species)
Introduce 'free energy' to the human survival chain thinking it to be a panacea and a little thought tells you exactly the reverse is likely to happen .
A sudden massive increase in the most destructive species on the planet. Having accepted that as a distinct possibility I personally still sway towards releasing free energy technology simply because it is a truth and eventually 'a truth will out', that quite apart from the fact that I do not like the stench of the alternative being planned for our children and Grandchildren by the few megalomaniacs driving our bus.- Just saying.
So In short I believe there is a morsel of truth in the 'global warming scam' but a scam it still is unfortunately its also IMHO a part of a clever Tapestry of deception and is impossible to regard as a 'stand alone' subject HARRP is also in my opinion an important part of the stitching of that Tapestry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ik9Hw5kQ7yc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ik9Hw5kQ7yc)
it seems the simple observation of "things seem very different to when I was a youngster" ergo global warming must be a fact isn't good enough. It could well be a well funded and crafted web of deception.
Funded unknowingly by you and me with trickery and slight of hand by exactly the same small group who suppress free energy systems. The few hundred people who actually run our world
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfMHq64CW9U
I carried out many of these very test's,and i assumed that the fuel was being burnt up in the arc--but seems i was wrong.
If so,what is burning up in the arc,if gas is still being emitted from the DUT?.
I carried out many thermal tests with this setup,and the power consumed was near exact to the amount required to heat the volume of water i was using,and when the volume of glass(the container i was using) was taken into account,the calculations were unity.
This being the case,and if such gas was also being released from my DUT,this now carries the COP over 1 O0.
I think i must re-visit this.
Brad
Hi Brad - nice to hear from you, I hope all is well and good. A subject worthy of study IMHO a few links associated you might enjoy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24Rba-Z3G08 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24Rba-Z3G08)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7V2oHp46xA&t=245s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7V2oHp46xA&t=245s)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wy0WXkj1Drw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wy0WXkj1Drw)
I think I pointed out before (with capacitance battery charging) that dielectric breakdown had very special properties. especially if that impulse wave is tuned resonant
The same holds good here and that transition is also the major component in the various COP >1 water heaters that pop up now and again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZoiY3FvxKo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZoiY3FvxKo)
and not forgetting of course the ingeniously simple examples of Flt Lt Peter Davey which he demonstrated for us before his death in 2009
(http://www.totalizm.pl/14/14_k08_2.jpg)
pictured here with (and picture courtesy of) Dr Jan Pajak
(http://www.602squadronmuseum.org.uk/images/splash_images/spitfires.jpg)
Peters 602 Spitfire squadron with a rich mix of commonwealth volunteers who like Peter willingly came to Britain's aid in very desperate times, The KIA and MIA roll call of this Squadron like many others of the era is eye watering.
Its a good idea to keep in mind that sonic is a 'longitudinal' wave . consider briefly the practical operation of your ear it is 'a drum' it can only move back and forth. A loud speaker has similar properties but importantly not so the electrical input to the loud speaker. ye olden days engineers were well aware of that change and referred to what we now call loudspeakers as transducers. Its interesting to note in free space there is no transverse wave. ergo the first astronoughts looked out of the window and saw --- sweet FA
If I quoted a frequency (say 10Khz) what we immediately visualize is a sine wave but of course all a drum (all be it an ear drum) can react to is 'an impulse' or rather a series of impulses and we omit the transition. Here's a youtube example which shows you a picture of a sine wave on the tone generator which tempts you to think 'sine wave' but of course the plate in question can only respond to the magnetic driver, so can only move up and down like the loudspeaker so it is obviously (and must be) a sonic/impulse (longitudinal) wave.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShJ0tlJY9zM
There lies the problem the electrical characteristic of the longitudinal wave, all the research,maths and physics has been expunged from schooling. and ohms law doesn't work here! Its a different science and technology altogether. Mixing the two systems is usually doomed in my experiance.
luckily ancient geometry does work. (at least enough to see what is happening) pretty much as soon as I encounter 'a ball' or hemisphere in a tuned circuit I assume a longitudinal wave and a very different science at work. Tesla's Wardenclyffe antenna is made round for a good reason and certainly not because its easier to build that way.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7b/Tesla_Broadcast_Tower_1904.jpeg)
sorry if I seem to digress a bit Brad and of course I'm off topic but hope you find some parts of interest.
Kindest regards Duncan
Quote from: Duncan on 2017.07.12, 10:13:09
Hi Brad - nice to hear from you, I hope all is well and good. A subject worthy of study IMHO a few links associated you might enjoy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24Rba-Z3G08 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24Rba-Z3G08)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7V2oHp46xA&t=245s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7V2oHp46xA&t=245s)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wy0WXkj1Drw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wy0WXkj1Drw)
I think I pointed out before (with capacitance battery charging) that dielectric breakdown had very special properties. especially if that impulse wave is tuned resonant
The same holds good here and that transition is also the major component in the various COP >1 water heaters that pop up now and again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZoiY3FvxKo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZoiY3FvxKo)
and not forgetting of course the ingeniously simple examples of Flt Lt Peter Davey which he demonstrated for us before his death in 2009
(http://www.totalizm.pl/14/14_k08_2.jpg)
pictured here with (and picture courtesy of) Dr Jan Pajak
(http://www.602squadronmuseum.org.uk/images/splash_images/spitfires.jpg)
Peters 602 Spitfire squadron with a rich mix of commonwealth volunteers who like Peter willingly came to Britain's aid in very desperate times, The KIA and MIA roll call of this Squadron like many others of the era is eye watering.
Its a good idea to keep in mind that sonic is a 'longitudinal' wave . consider briefly the practical operation of your ear it is 'a drum' it can only move back and forth. A loud speaker has similar properties but importantly not so the electrical input to the loud speaker. ye olden days engineers were well aware of that change and referred to what we now call loudspeakers as transducers. Its interesting to note in free space there is no transverse wave. ergo the first astronoughts looked out of the window and saw --- sweet FA
If I quoted a frequency (say 10Khz) what we immediately visualize is a sine wave but of course all a drum (all be it an ear drum) can react to is 'an impulse' or rather a series of impulses and we omit the transition. Here's a youtube example which shows you a picture of a sine wave on the tone generator which tempts you to think 'sine wave' but of course the plate in question can only respond to the magnetic driver, so can only move up and down like the loudspeaker so it is obviously (and must be) a sonic/impulse (longitudinal) wave.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShJ0tlJY9zM
There lies the problem the electrical characteristic of the longitudinal wave, all the research,maths and physics has been expunged from schooling. and ohms law doesn't work here! Its a different science and technology altogether. Mixing the two systems is usually doomed in my experiance.
luckily ancient geometry does work. (at least enough to see what is happening) pretty much as soon as I encounter 'a ball' or hemisphere in a tuned circuit I assume a longitudinal wave and a very different science at work. Tesla's Wardenclyffe antenna is made round for a good reason and certainly not because its easier to build that way.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7b/Tesla_Broadcast_Tower_1904.jpeg)
sorry if I seem to digress a bit Brad and of course I'm off topic but hope you find some parts of interest.
Kindest regards Duncan
Hi Duncan
Yes,all is well here--thanks for asking.
Hope you are fine also.
Would you be interested in investigating this MagneGas further,perhaps a dedicated thread ?.
The reason i ask,is as i mentioned before,i have done some experimenting along the same line's,although it was nicknamed !cold fusion! back then,even though that would be an incorrect description of what was happening.
I(along with those here well versed in calorimetric measurements) carried out many tests using such a heating method. Turns out that we were so very close to unity(as we should have been)in heating a volume of water for a given amount of power used.
See video below.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJQ1RAznwgw
Now,here is the thing.
If by using the carbon rods to do the same thing i was doing in my testing(heating a volume of water),but also at the same time producing a combustible gas,i believe this could tip the scale's toward a COP of >1,as i was that close to/or dead on unity in my tests.
I believe that there would be a few others here that would join in on this,and i think Steve Jones would also be on board.
Some may believe that the carbon rod's would be an issue,due to being hard to get,and expensive-->but i bet everyone here has some lying around in there house or workshop without knowing it O0
So rather than derail this thread,what say we open a thread dedicated to this !MagneGas! production ?.
Brad
Quote from: TinMan on 2017.07.12, 11:49:29
Now,here is the thing.
If by using the carbon rods to do the same thing i was doing in my testing(heating a volume of water),but also at the same time producing a combustible gas,i believe this could tip the scale's toward a COP of >1,as i was that close to/or dead on unity in my tests.
An interesting hypothesis Brad, certainly worthy of a dedicated thread. I will help you with this.
Frame of reference analysis is critical here. The system total must equal COP>1.
hhop gen 2 demonstrates an electrical energy input prime mover to phase transition liquid water via electrolysis to a combustible gas.
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2288.0
The volume differential between liquid and gas of the same substance, produced at a steady rate creates a pressure increase that does work on it's container.
The second stage is to combust the gas producing a rapid overpressure event followed by an even more rapid volume reduction, both events can do work seeking equilibrium balance.
The end product is liquid water of the same mass you began with (in a closed system), but slightly hotter (residual process heat, carried over to next cycle), and in a different spacial position, plus the energy ejected from the system to another system as work done on it. We can keep defining here, as we can for any point.
I treat heat in hhop gen 2 as a waste product of the system cycle. hhop gen 6 or 7 are required to link waste heat to total system power conversion output.
If you can maintain 100% heat conservation and generate a combustible gas product whose volume transition gradient is itself capable of doing work then technically it is COP>1, although both processes themselves can be equal to or less than 1 in their own individual frame of reference.
Measured from an external observation point you would expect a natural, stable or dynamic, ratio. For example 80/20 or 60/40, etc.
Interesting take on the Fort Fort Mc Murray "forest fire"
Climate change in action? or directed energy weapon?
(https://s11.postimg.org/k5cclgfdv/11917709.jpg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIgGs24Xm1U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIgGs24Xm1U)
Ron