I've been gone from the boards for a while, regrettably - my wife has had health issues and I've been focussing on helping her and doctor visits of late.
Perhaps for distraction and learning, I've looked at anomalies in PHOTOS taken of the MOON and of Antarctica. If you don't mind, I'd like to start a conversation on these observations.
Let's start with this coil observed evidently on the moon (below) in photo taken by the Chinese moon orbiter series called Chang-e. Actually, the video which shows this anomaly does not provide much detail regarding the provenance or location of the coil... I would like such information, if any can help on that.
IF this coil really appears on the moon, and can be observed again (repeatability is critical in good science), then it does tend to provide strong evidence for alien involvement - doesn't it? Certainly no earthling has placed such a half-buried coil on the moon!
Here is the video showing the "coil" above. I'm hoping there are more and better sources of information about this anomalous coil.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMD75IssBYM
@PhysicsProf
Looks more like a thermal coil. Some of those small turns are going into the moon itself. As if they had an underground hangout and needed some heat exchanger unit. Does not look like a coil in the electric sense. It is embedded into the rock formation so the rocks themselves could act as a radiant mass storage for when the sun is not direct.
wattsup
And that center point is a chuck key for a giant drill press.
Quote from: PhysicsProf on 2017.10.16, 13:49:10
Here is the video showing the "coil" above. I'm hoping there are more and better sources of information about this anomalous coil.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMD75IssBYM
That video claims the images are from the Chang'E 2 orbiter but when you look into this there is no evidence at all that this is true. This site
https://www.metabunk.org/debunked-change-2-photos-of-alien-base-on-moon-hoax.t6174/ (https://www.metabunk.org/debunked-change-2-photos-of-alien-base-on-moon-hoax.t6174/)
has some interesting detective work looking into a similar hoax where the claimed Chinese image is actually a reworked part of an earlier NASA image. IMO these hoax images are not worth spending time and effort on.
Smudge
Thanks for comments. I don't see the "strange coil" on the debunking thread, Smudge... other things, yes.
Wattsup - yes, some of the coils appear to be embedded in moon rock...
Meanwhile, I have done some web searching, and I have found two more videos that show the "strange coil on the moon" displayed in the OP. This is the more informative of the two:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXbKGw_BQi8 at about 4m08s mark.
This video explains that the moon photos shown derive from Ken Johnston, a former official at NASA who had access to footage and photos acquired by astronauts on the moon-- evidently shown in conjunction with Richard Hoagland. Why the other video suggested the coil was seen by the Chang-e probe is not clear.
I next will search for the original release of photos by Ken Johnston.
I can vouch for the authenticity of this photo because I took it myself, on May 29, 2012.
William Optics Megrez 90 > TeleVue field flattener/focal reducer > Canon 400D DSLR
Wow! that is quite an observation all right, TK!
The scientific key is, as always, reproducibility. With the "coil", there is a chance of finding WHERE the photo was taken so that another effort can be made - to get another photo, and then to get still more data (like - the material the coil is made out of).
the moon "coil" looks more like a collapsed structural frame than a coil
Quote from: Grumpy on 2017.10.19, 14:34:46
the moon "coil" looks more like a collapsed structural frame than a coil
Perhaps so... Do you see that a portion of it is under rock-like material?
Interesting article in a Japanese paper yesterday:
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2017/10/18/national/science-health/japans-lunar-orbiter-discovers-moon-cave-potentially-suitable-use-shelter/#.WejVPnCU9WM
QuoteJapan's lunar probe discovers moon cave, which may be optimal base for space exploration
KYODO, JIJI
OCT 18, 2017
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Observation data collected by Japan's lunar orbiter Kaguya has found a cave stretching about 50 km (30 miles) on the moon that could potentially serve as a shelter for astronauts on future missions, an international research team including the Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency has said.
The cave could protect astronauts from radiation from the sun and cosmic rays if they build a base for exploration, the team said Wednesday.
The cave, believed to be a lava tube created about 3.5 billion years ago, sits beneath an area with a group of volcanic domes called the Marius Hills, it said.
The lunar orbiter initially found a hole about 50 meters in diameter and depth. Further surveys of the area with radio waves discovered the lava tube, the researchers said.
The cave is believed to have a width of several tens of meters.
Like caves found around Mount Fuji and the island of Hawaii, the cave on the moon is highly likely to have been formed after the lava surface solidified following a fall in temperature, according to the researchers.
"The cave is a scientifically useful place," said Tetsuya Kaku, a graduate student at Tokai University involved in the study. Kaku cited the possibility of finding minerals produced when the moon was formed as well as water.
The researchers published their finding in U.S. journal Geophysical Research Letters.
I wish these probe's photos were made public!
I brought you another Vid to ponder [on a different topic]
from Member Acca at Stefan's forum
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IZ34Wwa-AE at the 1 minute 50 sec mark an oscillation [collapse and expand... collapse and expand?
at 12 min 14 sec mark .....Iron and neutrons
Stefan's thread here
http://overunity.com/17447/exploring-sonoluminescence-a-discussion-on-simple-replication-methods/msg512161/#new
Quote from: Chet K on 2017.10.25, 12:00:37
I brought you another Vid to ponder [on a different topic]
from Member Acca at Stefan's forum
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IZ34Wwa-AE at the 1 minute 50 sec mark an oscillation [collapse and expand... collapse and expand?
at 12 min 14 sec mark .....Iron and neutrons
Stefan's thread here
http://overunity.com/17447/exploring-sonoluminescence-a-discussion-on-simple-replication-methods/msg512161/#new
Thanks for the heads-up, Chet.
I plan to begin a review of current claims of the "Anomalous Heat Excess" (AHE) community of scientists... beginning with SL. Probably will start a new thread on this topic.
Again, thanks for the pointer, Chet!
Quote from: PhysicsProf on 2017.10.16, 13:46:43
I've been gone from the boards for a while, regrettably - my wife has had health issues and I've been focussing on helping her and doctor visits of late.
Perhaps for distraction and learning, I've looked at anomalies in PHOTOS taken of the MOON and of Antarctica. If you don't mind, I'd like to start a conversation on these observations.
Let's start with this coil observed evidently on the moon (below) in photo taken by the Chinese moon orbiter series called Chang-e. Actually, the video which shows this anomaly does not provide much detail regarding the provenance or location of the coil... I would like such information, if any can help on that.
IF this coil really appears on the moon, and can be observed again (repeatability is critical in good science), then it does tend to provide strong evidence for alien involvement - doesn't it? Certainly no earthling has placed such a half-buried coil on the moon!
Well, I'll tell you what:
It's easy to see that parts of the coil are actually buried in the surrounding lunar crust/soil. My speculative question is: If that had happened, how long has it been there?
Let alone, completely: What does it do? Why is it there?
--Lee
What makes you think it's on the moon?
The video up above shows several images that are from Ceres, Pluto and other objects, while "implying" that all photos are of Luna.
Physics Prof
here is another contribution on the iron
http://aflb.ensmp.fr/AFLB-342/aflb342m669.pdf
from member microvolt at energetic
seems a new thread will be starting soon...
some have been musing about the iron in MJN's SMD too
Thanks, Chet. I'm reading...
TK is right - one thing I really DON"T like about that video is that fails to identify WHERE the photo was taken, and fails to give a source.
I'm still intrigued by the coil though... but no word back to my comments/questions to the guy who posted the coil image...
I would be interested in any TESTABLE (/repeatable) artifact like this, that is documented andis found outside of the earth. On or in the earth would work also - if the artifact was truly of non-earthly origin...
I'm getting intrigued by the challenge of TESTABLE evidence for the existence of extra-terrestrials...
Guess I'll leave it at that for now, but such findings could possibly maybe perhaps lead us to a new source of energy...
Quote from: TinselKoala on 2017.10.31, 21:43:53
What makes you think it's on the moon?
The video up above shows several images that are from Ceres, Pluto and other objects, while "implying" that all photos are of Luna.
Quote from: PhysicsProf on 2017.10.16, 13:46:43
IF this coil really appears on the moon, and can be observed again (repeatability is critical in good science), then it does tend to provide strong evidence for alien involvement - doesn't it?
The aliens are on earth since ages and have created the human race. Of course you can not see them, because they do not want to be revealed.
Once the population of earth has reached 10 billion, all able bodied humans will be used as soldiers in a war against an other planet. All wars on earth are training wars and all weapon technologies developed on earth are geared towards the future attack on this other planet. You can deduce that orbit, air, sea and land attacks will take place, hence the appropriate technologies were introduced on earth.
Unfortunately the aliens do not care what happens to earth and to this other planet. These two planets are just pawns in a bigger power struggle. Take solace in the fact that you serve a higher purpose. You life is not for nothing.
Greetings, Conrad
Its good for people who know absolutely everything about everything
to share their knowledge...
Conrad
you are too Kind ......
In Fox News today - photo of an image of a person NOT in a space suit, reflecting on the visor of a man (supposedly) on the moon, Apollo 17:
http://www.foxnews.com/science/2017/11/20/apollo-moon-landing-was-faked-conspiracy-theorists-claim-with-new-photo.html
Not sure what to think of this yet...
https://www.rt.com/usa/410360-moon-landing-new-conspiracy/
"An image shared on NASA's site shows Schmitt standing next to the large boulder featured in the suspicious image. It was taken by Cernan. If Schmitt turned toward Cernan, he would have been in an ideal position for Cernan's reflection to be captured in Schmitt's helmet."
Quote from: PhysicsProf on 2017.11.21, 16:42:54
Not sure what to think of this yet...
A human brains computing ability is finite, do not waste resources on distractions that cannot be proved, focus on the tangible.
Robert Morningstar, an intelligence analyst, with a very
revealing presentation about our Moon. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkF9LLNW6lc)
There is much more on his work as well. (https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=robert+morningstar)
Truth can be suppressed for only a while.
Also apropos the moon: https://www.foxnews.com/science/nasa-astronauts-moons-south-pole?cmpid=NL_SciTech
Water on the moon could be used as a source of oxygen for a colony...
Quote from: PhysicsProf on 2017.11.21, 16:42:54
In Fox News today - photo of an image of a person NOT in a space suit, reflecting on the visor of a man (supposedly) on the moon, Apollo 17:
http://www.foxnews.com/science/2017/11/20/apollo-moon-landing-was-faked-conspiracy-theorists-claim-with-new-photo.html
Not sure what to think of this yet...
Here is another thing i found that supports the moon trips were fake.
I have asked many time's,but no one has ever been able to answer my question-->why is the lunar rover in slow motion when driving on the moon?. Do the laws of physics change on the moon? lol.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cKpzp358F4
Brad
Quote from: TinMan on 2019.04.23, 13:56:47
Here is another thing i found that supports the moon trips were fake.
I have asked many time's,but no one has ever been able to answer my question-->why is the lunar rover in slow motion when driving on the moon?. Do the laws of physics change on the moon? lol.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cKpzp358F4
Brad
The common sense question to ask is: If you were going on a dangerous mission where the slightest miscalculation could run you out of fuel, or if any malfunction would require a longer stay until repairs are made, what would you rather have:
An 800 pound dune buggy to play around in?
Or 800 lbs of extra fuel, spare parts, oxygen tanks, food, water and medical supplies etc?
I know what I would pick as judging from the available film of the dune buggy escapades, due to the astro"nots" predicted reduced weight, they could have simply hopped and leaped like a bunny further than the dune buggy.
Pure PR in MHO, see headline "U.S.A first to also drive a car on the moon".
For some homework look up how much fuel is required in the booster rocket for every pound of payload and it all gets clearer.
I will try to remember that we are not supposed to express a common sense opinion or negative opinion about any videos, here in the land of lollipops and roses where every day is sunny and only smiley faces are permitted.
Regards
Quote from: ion on 2019.04.23, 15:16:19
For some homework look up how much fuel is required in the booster rocket for every pound of payload and it all gets clearer.
https://www.quora.com/How-many-pounds-of-rocket-fuel-are-necessary-to-propel-1-pound-of-mass-into-Earths-orbit-from-sea-level
Quoteto propel 1 pound of mass would require 9.39 pounds of propellant.
So, 7,512 pounds of propellant for the 800 pound lunar golf cart.
Our whole approach to space flight with bigger and bigger rockets has always been too "brute force" for me to accept as the only way to do it. Since our physics does work, this leads me to believe that our physics is incomplete, perhaps deliberately so.
Read Paul Hill's "Unconventional Flying Objects" you may come to the same conclusion.
Also, look at our advances in biochemistry. Mapping the human genome. Read a few studies on how biochemist isolate effects and see a real science at work. Then compare that to modern physics. Physics is in a ridiculous state.
The US Navy is changing procedures on reporting UFO incidents:
https://www.foxnews.com/tech/us-navy-drafting-new-guidelines-for-reporting-ufos
""Right now, we have a situation in which UFOs and UAPs are treated as anomalies to be ignored rather than anomalies to be explored," he added. "We have systems that exclude that information and dump it."
What is a UAP?
Quote from: PhysicsProf on 2019.04.24, 15:58:23
What is a UAP?
Good day
U.A.P == Unidentified aerial phenomena
take care, peace
lost_bro
Quote from: PhysicsProf on 2019.04.24, 15:58:23
The US Navy is changing procedures on reporting UFO incidents:
https://www.foxnews.com/tech/us-navy-drafting-new-guidelines-for-reporting-ufos
""Right now, we have a situation in which UFOs and UAPs are treated as anomalies to be ignored rather than anomalies to be explored," he added. "We have systems that exclude that information and dump it."
What is a UAP?
Foxnews?
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/23/us-navy-guidelines-reporting-ufos-1375290 (https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/23/us-navy-guidelines-reporting-ufos-1375290)
With the discovery of abundant water on the moon, there seems to be a race to return there.
E.g., https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxvFsqevSdw
Quite inspirational.
NOTE : Will move to appropriate area if ??
For those versed in google earth and such... member Magpwr at Stefan's forum
asked this question today
magpwr
hi everyone,
During the time of the virus outbreak in Wuhan as i found out from my local Chinese friend base on leak out information through some article seen in phone posted by someone in China-Wuhan.
People in Wuhan did notice a building believe to be a laboratory few kilometers/miles away from the Wuhan market which is believe to be related to virus research was blown up for no apparent reason.
I can't verify if this is fake or actual news unless someone have access to satellite imaging and compare base on old imaging data example taken early January 2020 and verify this with current imaging to see if any building disappeared in Wuhan near Wuhan market in kilometers.
I need someone in this forum whom have friends or colleagues whom can help to assist verify disappeared building in Wuhan.
If a building in Wuhan is disappeared base on latest Satellite imaging then it would be easy to tell if there is obvious sign of big cover up.
Please assist to verify this information.
thats a little vague given how densely populated it is.
Back to the MOON and anomalies, I noted this alleged observation of THREE flying objects with their shadows, crossing the moon 3-26-20:
original observation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJOIIEQF_xs
Then followed the inevitable debunking effort:
debunking effort: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmxALGlqHMc
The first is the original observation of THREE fast-moving objects and shadows seen moving across moon, captured using a "home telescope" 3-26-20.
The second is a "debunking effort", which I'm wondering about -- his reasoning and facts.
Would you care to comment? I would appreciate your feedback.
I have no idea what those objects are or if they are real. But I do see some problems with the debunking video. First the date time stamp doesn't mean a lot in my thinking. I have at least a couple of cameras that don't have the right time or date on them. Since the date and time are not real important to me I just haven't bothered to set them correctly.
The second thing I noticed was his concern with the size of the objects. Trying to judge the size from the shadows is not a very good way to do that if you don't know the exact angle of the sun from the objects to the moon. You can plainly see the shadows are elongated. Just like your shadow at noon will be very short compared to your shadow late in the day there is really no way to judge the size of those objects from the shadow they cast. Obviously they are very big or you wouldn't even have been able to see them or their shadows from earth.
And he seems to think that the speed of the objects moving past the moon makes them unbelievable. If we consider UFOs to be possible that argument is not valid. There have been thousands of reports of UFOs moving at fantastic speeds. I myself saw one many years ago. It was a very bright light a mile or so from interstate 70 in eastern Indiana. My son was with me and it was about 5:30 am or so. We saw if from several miles away. It appeared to be stationary. As we got almost even with it, it suddenly zoomed away at a very high speed. I could only guess it was maybe a couple of thousand miles an hour because it was completely out of sight in just a few seconds.
Carroll
I agree with you, Carroll - "I have no idea what those objects are or if they are real. But I do see some problems with the debunking video."
Nice analysis, and thanks for your personal observations.
This from a scientist friend to me, after I sent him the above 2 vids. I read it this morning:
QuoteA few disconnected first thoughts:::
(1) A few years ago my brother said I was nuts not to believe in flying saucers, and that I ought to open my mind and study it. But I had studied it for many years, read several books, J. Allen Hynek, etc. I was designing (naive) UFO detecters when my brother was still learning to read. He gave me some internet links to follow, and I was surprised to see what an abundance of photographs had accrued in the decades since I had gotten bored with it. The problem was, none of the photographs were clear and credible. To me. There may be, however, groups and networks who have already assembled a trove of researchable sightings, and we could save some time by either joining them or leveraging off of/extending their work. The downside is we would have to sift through all the charlatans and nonsense to find them. Many will be sure planet Nibiru will appear at any moment.
(2) The original lunar posting from Tenac/Montreal has quite a lot of comments. Among them is a video made to look just like the original, the author of which says "here is how I faked it, and I think the fellow in Montreal did the same." He said someone paid him to prove the first was a fake by duplicating it, and he did an impressive job. Maybe that is all on the level and maybe it isn't. The governments of the world have never been forthcoming with what they know, and may still be quick to "debunk" genuine sightings as soon as they surface in order to suppress public awareness. It is a good policy to work quietly. I'm sorry to be so suspicious, but the powers that be insist on provoking suspicion by doing dumb things that are most easily explained as hiding something. They shipped all the debris from the WTC to China, and we're not supposed to be suspicious? They promptly buried Bin Laden at sea, and we're not supposed to be suspicious? The prophecies peg this as the age of deception: they sure got that right.
(3) Two or three friends with the money could set up dedicated telescopes to watch (videotape-with-time-stamps) the moon from separate locations. Day and night. They could divide up the time-consuming job of reviewing the footage and compare results when they find something interesting. I'm sorry it is out of my reach. The point is, rather than looking for past sightings, make new ones, with the documentation and conditions that would establish credibility. If "they" were out there a week ago, then they still are. A 4" refractor with a good drive, CCD, and laptop,,, and just start watching... I'd love to do it. The only thing I could contribute would be the land for the observatory, and the reviewing. I think coordinating the effort would be the easiest part.
"I can observe tonight from 15:00 to 22:00 MDT. Who else can?"
"Great. Tomorrow I'll review the footage from 15:00 to 18:30, you do the rest, and I'll get back with you."
The moon is an active place. Impacts happen, outgassing takes place, etc. All that has scientific value, and good science has always been tedious. Some get lucky, but most fish are caught by those who keep putting their line in the water.
Ah, well, talk is cheap and philosophizing is easy.
My reply:
Quote'Very insightful! Thank you for these observations.
"There may be, however, groups and networks who have already assembled a trove of researchable sightings, and we could save some time by either joining them or leveraging off of/extending their work. "
Yes, I think this is a good place to start... Looking for a scientific, evidence-based team. I have heard of such, MUFON maybe? I've seen a fellow called Bruce who looks at the moon, posts to youtube.
I really like your idea of a system of amateur telescopes, " A 4" refractor with a good drive, CCD, and laptop,,, and just start watching..." Perhaps attach a video camera to the telescope...
Steve"
More info I've dug up -
Follow up, learning a lot now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JbakdRPoi0&t=26m
I found this group, https://ufodap.com/
but would propose to look at the MOON whenever visible, day and night with tele-video = I SEEK a "network of amateur moon observers" (NAMO).
Today from Suspicious Observers - discussion of UFO's :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQx2E6deMuE
Shared By Researcher Gambeir
here...http://www.energeticforum.com/forum/energetic-forum-discussion/renewable-energy/14106-an-inquiry-in-to-the-alien-reproduction-vehicle/page94#post499717
I am not sure this is the best location for this Vid [I thought there was another thread for weird
sightings [non terrestrial stuff ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVrwvYUahDY {around 52 second mark a remarkably clear
moment shows ??
two things about Vid ..circle light and spinney thing below...
apparently seen often in Washington / Vancouver area of North America [could it be a satellite ?
hmmmm?
Illuminating discussion regarding the moon and various anomalies:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25JW9OcETrE
What cave have all of you been hiding in?
We have been and continue to be in open contact with aliens on a daily basis for decades.
Search online for "Law of One" and "Ra" and "Q'uo".
Ra is a social memory complex, and Q'uo is a combination of 3 or 4 social memory complexes. Each social memory complex is a hive mind of a different alien species.
Many will scoff at what I'm saying but they have provided information that is very convincing, for years.
Quote from: Grumpy on 2020.11.16, 15:32:47
What cave have all of you been hiding in?
We have been and continue to be in open contact with aliens on a daily basis for decades.
Search online for "Law of One" and "Ra" and "Q'uo".
Ra is a social memory complex, and Q'uo is a combination of 3 or 4 social memory complexes. Each social memory complex is a hive mind of a different alien species.
Many will scoff at what I'm saying but they have provided information that is very convincing, for years.
I suspect that the Prof prefers to deal with reality.
Quote from: Paul-R on 2020.11.16, 19:06:32
I suspect that the Prof prefers to deal with reality.
Attacking muDped isn't enough for you?
You think we are the only beings in this vast universe?
Quote from: Grumpy on 2020.11.16, 19:38:56
1. Attacking muDped isn't enough for you?
2. You think we are the only beings in this vast universe?
1. I attend to what seems nonsense masquerading as fact.
2. No.
The Law of One appears to be the output of a spititualist who has contacted someone who claims to be an alien. What proof have you that this person isn't a practical joker out there? Let's face it; Freddie Starr is there.