Ok I tried very hard not to use the word secret in the subject line but think this is a break through.
Watch the video and download it along with the references. Save them all on your our system.
It is 20 minutes long but then it will become clear to you what is going on.
If you don't see the relevance forgive me but don't come back to this thread.
For those on the same wave length, I have been tossing this around in my head for a long time and will develop it
as my resources allow.
Feel free to dicuss.
The video is not mine!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzVa_tX1OiI
:D
Aha!
AHA = yes here too
Over at Stefan's things are Dicey ATM ...perhaps Empirical testing here
to establish a benchmark ?[sounds like your suggestion/direction below]
MasterPlaster repost from Stefan forum
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To date, no one has presented a convinsing replication of the WFC. I don't want to repeat any names as not to offend.
My current search is for a method to apply an SiO2 layer to the tube. Even if I knew, how thick would the layer be?
Meyer stated in his patent the gap in his test cells were 0.625 inch. That is 1.68 mm. I know of commercial 1 mm thick sintered glass filter tubes.
Alternatively,
There is a solution that is called "water glass" which is applied to surfaces for sealing but we want a porous finish
then, I though I can mix some TiO2 with "water glass" before applying it and guess what,
TiO2 under certain condition becomes luminous!
My work will be totally open source. I don't want any money or fame. The only reason I am here is to bounce my ideas around.
Thank you
Vid again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzVa_tX1OiI
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Sir
here the last few years..[actually at Stefan's forum] there has been mention of certain metal salts
and some chemicals that effect the bond strength of the the water molecule ,greatly reducing the energy required to separate the H and the O [in some cases by 50% as in Li soap/salts]
here [and other forums too] there are members who work open source and share their work ,sometimes not so "showy"[maybe work in less noisy venues] but always with those of like mind [to share with the world ]
So for clarity here you are looking for a method to fuse glass and TiO2
with the stainless tube ?to form a porous membrane at the Water dielectric interface ?? or just build a matrix or ?? as part of voltage enhancement ?
Jimmy the Boot did share a method or Vid for porous manufacturing
of this ?
but you seemed put off by ??
additional clarity would be good ,here you have the choir...[paying attention....and ready to experiment and share...
respectfully
Chet
Thank you Chet. I posted on OU reluctantly because I find it a hostile forum!
I see more mature participants here.
Still I think Edward Mitchel has a lot of knowledge but he takes everyones comments as an insult.
Personaly I don't see these forums as a place for self aggrandizement .
In my naivaty I believe in cooperation because if we co-operated positively we could all benefit
from "free energy" in a short time.
Sadly, most people have a lot of faith in paper (money).
I am not sure if what I suggested about coating is the right way to go but it is one venue that
should not be ignored.
So, I reserve the right to be wrong!
Quote from: MasterBlaster on 2019.11.07, 06:54:33
Thank you Chet. I posted on OU reluctantly because I find it a hostile forum!
I see more mature participants here.
Still I think Edward Mitchel has a lot of knowledge but he takes everyones comments as an insult.
Personaly I don't see these forums as a place for self aggrandizement .
In my naivaty I believe in cooperation because if we co-operated positively we could all benefit
from "free energy" in a short time.
Sadly, most people have a lot of faith in paper (money).
I am not sure if what I suggested about coating is the right way to go but it is one venue that
should not be ignored.
So, I reserve the right to be wrong!
Yeah that was unexpected but it's why I tend to stay away I guess. Anyway I made some titameringue. Learned from my errors. Didn't have any adherence issues though to scratched up gal plate. Weird the way the light plays with it under heat. That;s where I've seen the luminesence.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2m57x2CE0kk&feature=youtu.be
around the 8-9 minute mark
Fausto has a "machine" that makes energy forever ,coatings ..connections
towards charge manipulation ... energy harvesting and storage ?
an amazing fellow indeed
PS to Masterplaster
I will remove this if too off topic.
Hi MB,
Interesting that water in contact with a glass surface can produce a layer of free positive hydrogen ions that is a few nanometers thick, water molecules split at no cost. Whereas the electro-osmotic pump uses large diameter capillaries to draw those hydrogen atoms along the tube with an electric field (and pull water along with them), presumably if we had glass capillaries that are just a few nanometers in diameter we would just pull those hydrogen atoms along. If so that sound like a highly efficient electrolysis system worthy of investigation. Of course it requires a large number of capillaries in parallel, so it is not what Meyers was doing. Good luck with your experimenting.
Smudge
This video about the fourth phase of water might be interesting at this point as they mention Free Energy from charge separation due to the "exclusion zone" or the fourth phase. There is also interesting biological info given as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-T7tCMUDXU
Regards,
Pm
Quote from: JimBoot on 2019.11.07, 10:32:36
Yeah that was unexpected but it's why I tend to stay away I guess. Anyway I made some titameringue. Learned from my errors. Didn't have any adherence issues though to scratched up gal plate. Weird the way the light plays with it under heat. That;s where I've seen the luminesence.
Ok the meringue is because of the si02 I bought has too much water content and they froth at high temps. So might be back to making my own
Could glass fibre be used ?
As per Smudge's ..glass nano tube zero energy hydrogen harvesting from water ?
Gotta be on the right track
Now we know why all those electron beam microscopes (the old slow ones) were
At fire sale prices on ebay a few years back.
Nano tech harvesting
Maybe Fausto (Plengo (crystal cell research )Marcus Reid link below
Is the Everyman path to that party ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGT48R1_P8Y
and thanks to Partzman for the Gerald Pollack Vid O0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-T7tCMUDXU
water cars again - love it . Mentored by another member here I did quite a lot of research into this area quite a lot of years ago now , although the theory and direction was different to this.
Believe it or not there there was almost a craze for building these engines driven on fractured water.
That a 'water car museum' in Kentucky held numerous examples of water driven cars might surprise you . (or perhaps not) still a guy called James Robey had the nuts to open one such.
As you also might expect it wasn't tolerated for very long anyway!
The curator however did have time to produce an in house publication on the subject whilst not in itself the simple answer you seek the almost endless list of names offers lots of research scope.
As you also (obviously?) might expect that publication quickly became unobtainable. Soooo
I took some time to convert that book to PDF format I attach my effort for you interest.(Its some 150meg with its pictures and wot not so perhaps not for your mobile phone)
http://dnp.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/a/a1_%24folder%24Water%20Car%2C%20J.A.%20Robey.pdf (http://dnp.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/a/a1_%24folder%24Water%20Car%2C%20J.A.%20Robey.pdf)
Kind regards Duncan
https://www.dancingwithwater.com/the-new-science-of-water/what-is-structured-water/
surprisingly influenced by electrostatic
Link from researcher Gambeir
Duncan
thanks for the book
http://dnp.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/a/a1_%24folder%24Water%20Car%2C%20J.A.%20Robey.pdf
Thank you all for your participation on this post.
Nothing is like a bit of abstinence to get the cells moving.
Currently I am at a location where I have very poor and unreliable access to the internet
but on my hard drive I have a back up a lot of information going years back.
My only hardware is a screwdriver.
However, I had this epiphany that I must get to the buttom of this technology myself.
Clearly there must be different approaches to achieve overunity with Hydrogen production.
To this end I have gone back to step 1!
i.e. Water between 2 plates with power applied to it?
My first discovery is H3O+. ( A note to self: learn to walk before you run! ).
Apparantly H3O+ is acidic. How long would a layer of SiO2 last on a cell.
Next, I found out about "Double Layer Effect". Read about it.
On the other hand, I want to know why Meyer used cylindrical cells.
Two concentric tubes at that. Why not 3?
Steven Meyer's patent US20050246059A1 shows he is using 3 tubes ( he is Stan's brother ).
In a video about Stan's state I noticed he had also plate cells in his lab but he must
have not had the result he expected from them.
Then, there is pattent US7041203 B2 , Sullivan. Is it possible that all the Meyers electronics
may be implemented by a simple H bridge?
By the way, many experimentors may had come close to replicating Meyer's WFC exept one little detail.
In the video, Meyer carefully fills up the container and then, meticulously tightens the inlet. He is
running his system under pressure. Just a little point that some may have missed.
As you see My head is close to overload!
@Chet, You are welcome to leave any comment.
@Smudge, In my in tray I also have intension to look at TiO2 nano tubes. I believe this can be done
by annodyzing Titanium. Easily achievable at home. Would this work as well as SiO2? I don't know.
@Partzman: Thank you. Count your blessings where ever you are. Watching youtube right now for me
is a distant memory.
@Jimbbot: I thought about fiber glass then I shifted towards quartz sand. You can get that on ebay.
P.S. I found out you can get powdered glass but when I look at the list of constituents I found
it has lots of other solids in it.
@Duncan: Thankyou for the booklet. I will read it soon. I had already read your suppressed.pdf.
It makes my blood boil.
Again I thank you all for being here. I emphasize this technology must be given freely to
the world without exception. If you want fame or fortune your efforts are waisted. Plan before hand
how you will do this.
Thanks MB.
Concentric has a nice Birkeland feel to it and does remind me of JCell.
Master blaster – yes unfortunately I was only to aware of the corruption at the heart of the forums many years ago I was tricked myself into wasting much time and money . Regardless I still consider myself lucky by comparison to what happened to others.
Do keep in mind this free energy thing is a binary condition – in other words some one is telling porkies!
I think you'll find most on this forum believe that free energy is very much available (depending how you define 'free' of course)
along with that book came a DVD BTW . The DVD in turn had three short clips . I converted the clips and uploaded them. in the interests of giving you the full picture here is the video content that came with the book.
The vidoe's are pretty poor quality but there could be information here for those skilled in the area's
https://vimeo.com/user10549783/herman (https://vimeo.com/user10549783/herman)
https://vimeo.com/347877034 (https://vimeo.com/347877034)
https://vimeo.com/254500375 (https://vimeo.com/254500375)
Kind regards Duncan
Good insights, MB and Duncan. O0 I'm reading your PDF, Duncan, and I have a story to add...
"Again I thank you all for being here. I emphasize this technology must be given freely to
the world without exception. If you want fame or fortune your efforts are wasted. Plan before hand
how you will do this." - MB
Masterplaster
quote
"Again I thank you all for being here. I emphasize this technology must be given freely to
the world without exception. If you want fame or fortune your efforts are wasted. Plan before hand
how you will do this." - MB
end quote
This should be the first thing people read when they come to an open source forum
The heart needs to be in humanity's future
All humanity
Chet K
Hi Chet – I'm quite partial to these so called 'banned books' particularly hundred year old stuff fighting the official projected dogma. Just now and again ones escaped the drag net .
although not on subject here's another I converted to pdf (for your consideration) Interesting author at one time joined the Afrikaners to fight agin the British forces .went to Jail then parlament, very different times! a polymath - Ah well be your own judge but do remember there was a different writing style in the 20s and 30s . still if I post it here – folks will down load and may (or may not read)
http://dnp.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/a/The Case Against Einstein, A. Lynch.pdf (http://dnp.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/a/The%20Case%20Against%20Einstein,%20A.%20Lynch.pdf)
again kind regards Duncan
Quote from: JimBoot on 2019.11.13, 11:45:20
Thanks MB.
Concentric has a nice Birkeland feel to it and does remind me of JCell.
To answer my own question, I found this patent: GB601579A.
I might be wrong. Meyer kept saying that he uses SS tubes 304 be cause they are not magnetic
but he did mention that there are no magnets involved.
One thing to experiment with is to have a rod magnet in the center as to create spin ( this is just a guess ).
A side issue, Meyer was murdered on 21st March 1998. That is Spring solstice and if you are in to gematria,
this could be death by numbers.
Indeed there is something about breaking up water into H O H then recombining it back into H2O that seems promising, from several approaches.
For the record, may I note the work of Woopy (Clement in Belgium) - and others - on plasma-electrolysis of water, the so-called star-in-a-jar approach. For example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EO1pq0h6e0g
(There are several other videos in this series.)
Woopy does the measurement of Output and Input energy, and derives an intriguing result.
Again, for the record, Woopy shows experimentally that the plasma forms around 150VDC, then he lowers the voltage to about 110VDC and 0.5A getting mostly steam out evidently.
Further dropping the voltage, the plasma quits around 85V but then the output is evidenlty mostly HOH (rather than steam).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvW_Q_G3pF4
Quote from: PhysicsProf on 2019.11.13, 14:36:21
Good insights, MB and Duncan. O0 I'm reading your PDF, Duncan, and I have a story to add
a story to add Prof ? Its a muddy subject as you know - I wait with baited breath
A Snip from Duncans Water car book
For example, in 2004 a team of Australian scientists announced a revolutionary new way to extract clean energy using special titanium oxide ceramics that harvest sunlight and split water to produce hydrogen fuel, a device with no moving parts and emiHing no greenhouse gases or pollutants. They claim that rooftop .panels placed on 1.6 million homes could supply Australia's entire energy needs.
UNSW. I have quoted that story many times. I can probably find the original. I thought it was 2006.
Nope 2004. It's when I was a AGW Worrier. https://www.renewableenergyworld.com/2004/09/03/australian-researchers-push-solar-hydrogen-11866/
and this is a duckduckgo search result for the same press release for other possible resources. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=%22A+team+of+Australian+scientists+predicts+that+a+revolutionary+new+way+to+harness+the+power+of+the+sun+to+extract+clean+and+almost+unlimited+energy+supplies+from+water+will+be+a+reality+within+seven+years.%E2%80%A8%22&t=h_&ia=web
This is something that all people serious doing this work should read:
https://www.puharich.nl/
Brutal honesty. Still, I appreciate the revelation.
very interesting if indeed written by his son. There are some interesting Youtube interviews with him also.
Quote from: JimBoot on 2019.11.14, 11:47:36
very interesting if indeed written by his son. There are some interesting Youtube interviews with him also.
Yes there is a 3 part seminar by him and he gives the impression that his water fracturing technique is
still work in progress. That really shakes ones trust in the patent system.
Polarization of water molecules at a charged interface: second harmonic studies of the silica/water interface
http://www.columbia.edu/cu/chemistry/fac-bios/eisenthal/group/pdf-files/1992_1.pdf
Mmm beware smoke and mirrors - what you see on the web and think is research - others do too . the 'others' however lever the content.
https://vimeo.com/sendstephen/puharich (https://vimeo.com/sendstephen/puharich)
https://youtu.be/bGHv9qrbR5k (https://youtu.be/bGHv9qrbR5k)
kind regards Duncan
According to this research sunlight produces an external electric field and substantially increases gas production.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/312355595_The_effect_of_sunlight_in_hydrogen_production_from_water_electrolysis
Could an external electrostatic field be substituted for sunlight?
I have just made one of my ideas public. It is about a new kind of WFC.
If you like you can take a look here:
https://open-source-energy.org/?topic=3500.msg53812#msg53812
Microwave ovens work by using a specific frequency (about 2.5GHz if I remember correctly) where water molecules absorb most energy. As there are plenty of magnetrons available from old ovens, has anyone tried using these to enhance the electrolysis of water? Are molecules vibrating at that frequency more likely to split?
Smudge
Quote from: Cadman on 2019.11.14, 16:47:29
Could an external electrostatic field be substituted for sunlight?
See my previous post.
Quote from: Smudge on 2019.11.14, 17:15:55
Microwave ovens work by using a specific frequency (about 2.5GHz if I remember correctly) where water molecules absorb most energy. As there are plenty of magnetrons available from old ovens, has anyone tried using these to enhance the electrolysis of water? Are molecules vibrating at that frequency more likely to split?
Smudge
No, the molecule will only split with the use of two frequencies and they are not specific to any frequency but they have to be different. There are different ways to say how it works and one is like putting a wooden ruler half under an A4 sheet of paper on the edge of the table and hit the end that is overhanging and breaks the ruler at the point of balance, or a see-saw where you suddenly change the frequency at one end. I have taught this for many years but it just does not seem to sink in and I'm not in a position to spoon-feed or demonstrate.
Nothing against you Smudge O0 I'm talking to the crowd ;)
Number one son leaving tomorrow so will be firing up STEAP :D
Regards
Mike 8)
Quote from: Smudge on 2019.11.14, 17:15:55
Microwave ovens work by using a specific frequency (about 2.5GHz if I remember correctly) where water molecules absorb most energy. As there are plenty of magnetrons available from old ovens, has anyone tried using these to enhance the electrolysis of water? Are molecules vibrating at that frequency more likely to split?
A key is just a piece of metal but if you don't know how the inside of the barrol how cut the groves.
This seem's to be the case with microwave.
From memory ( I could be wrong ), there was the case of a guy in Newzealand who ran his motorbike on water by processing it in the microwave.
And there was another myth that there was a guy who charged water 14 times in the microwave.
I believe in the first case the guy was put under 24 hour protection for his own safety and then the story died.
Personally I don't trust anyone and any source. I can only trust my own work but have nothing to declare as of yet.
Understand that the strengh of the New world Order hinges on the strenght of the currency of it. Look at the back
of the dollar bill. Free energy would collapse their system overnight. If you are researching free energy you are a
threat to the system.
Masterplaster
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you are a
threat to the system.
===============
its nice you bring a topic for experimenting and some interesting ideas.
maybe we could just discuss experiments ?
we are all quite aware of ...........................................
the Monster
We are here to try and make a better world for the next generation
and do the "right" thing for this world.
so far... its the only one we have.
and actually as I type... there are billions of people with the same hope and dream ....in Labs and universities schoolyards shops/garages and kitchen tables
and they are connected [INSTANTLY}like never before with super computers at their fingertips .....with practically every piece of knowledge every pondered.
times they are a changing
MasterBlaster
QuoteUnderstand that the strengh of the New world Order hinges on the strenght of the currency of it. Look at the back
of the dollar bill. Free energy would collapse their system overnight. If you are researching free energy you are a
threat to the system.
I would disagree and what we call Free Energy is simply renewable energy available 24/7 everywhere versus the other energy forms. As well we can go offgrid with solar panels and Tesla wall batteries and an electric car anytime if we have the money. So we already have the equivalent of Free Energy with renewables and the system has not collapsed. In Canada 60% of all power generation already comes from hydro-power and we have the technology to go 100% renewable if there was a will to. I don't believe this fear mongering for a second.
Personally I think most are chasing smoke and mirrors. Meyer's water fuel circuits remained basically the same over a wide range of devices so it seems obvious to me the magic wasn't in the water cell it was in the circuitry. I suspect Meyer's accidentally built a FE device while experimenting with circuits to drive his water fuel cell which is simply a water capacitor/electrolyzer. A simple capacitor does not produce FE therefore it must have been the WFC and the circuitry which produced FE.
Everyone is obsessed with the water capacitor electrolyzer however what if the Meyer's circuit doesn't even need the WFC to produce FE?.
Quote from: MasterBlaster on 2019.11.15, 09:34:11
A key is just a piece of metal but if you don't know how the inside of the barrol how cut the groves.
This seem's to be the case with microwave.
From memory ( I could be wrong ), there was the case of a guy in Newzealand who ran his motorbike on water by processing it in the microwave.
And there was another myth that there was a guy who charged water 14 times in the microwave.
I believe in the first case the guy was put under 24 hour protection for his own safety and then the story died.
Personally I don't trust anyone and any source. I can only trust my own work but have nothing to declare as of yet.
Understand that the strengh of the New world Order hinges on the strenght of the currency of it. Look at the back
of the dollar bill. Free energy would collapse their system overnight. If you are researching free energy you are a
threat to the system.
I had corresponded to the kiwi bloke back in the day. Just got back the response he could no longer discuss.
Quote
Personally I think most are chasing smoke and mirrors
Everyone is obsessed with the water capacitor electrolyzer however what if the Meyer's circuit doesn't even need the WFC to produce FE?.
probably not the thread for you then.
Quote from: Centraflow on 2019.11.14, 21:50:48
No, the molecule will only split with the use of two frequencies and they are not specific to any frequency but they have to be different. There are different ways to say how it works and one is like putting a wooden ruler half under an A4 sheet of paper on the edge of the table and hit the end that is overhanging and breaks the ruler at the point of balance, or a see-saw where you suddenly change the frequency at one end. I have taught this for many years but it just does not seem to sink in and I'm not in a position to spoon-feed or demonstrate.
Nothing against you Smudge O0 I'm talking to the crowd ;)
Number one son leaving tomorrow so will be firing up STEAP :D
Regards
Mike 8)
Good day Mike
For sure you have already seen these scope shots from S.M. estate photos, but certainly the signal has some modulation happening. Not certain where the signal was sampled in the circuit. Evidently he did experiment w/ a plate design WFC also.
take care, peace
lost_bro
**edit: tried to upload a Zip file with some more S.M. photos from his estate, but must be a size limit, could not finish the upload. :'(
LostBro,
Very interesting. In the last 2 photos it look's like the tubes have been dropped.