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Title: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: poynt99 on 2010.10.21, 22:14:02
A few video links to start:

The well-known original...


Same, but poor quality and with English subtitles...



What appears to be an earlier (lower power) replication and video by SR193... (http://www.archive.org/flow/FlowPlayerLight.swf?config=%7Bembedded%3Atrue%2CshowFullScreenButton%3Atrue%2CshowMuteVolumeButton%3Atrue%2CshowMenu%3Atrue%2CautoBuffering%3Afalse%2CautoPlay%3Afalse%2CinitialScale%3A%27orig%27%2CmenuItems%3A%5Bfalse%2Cfalse%2Cfalse%2Cfalse%2Ctrue%2Ctrue%2Cfalse%5D%2CusePlayOverlay%3Afalse%2CshowPlayListButtons%3Atrue%2CplayList%3A%5B%7Burl%3A%27http://www.001-lab.com//001lab/lib_i/pisr.flv%27%7D%5D%2CcontrolBarGloss%3A%27high%27%2CshowVolumeSlider%3Atrue%2Cloop%3Afalse%2CcontrolBarBackgroundColor%3A%270x808080%27%7D)

.99
Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: Grumpy on 2010.10.21, 22:35:54
It is really hard to tell what is going on in videos.  Has SR193 ever posted a schematic or diagram detailing his replication?

I read somewhere that he claimed to have 200w output and 220v at 50Hz, not DC.  That 220v at 50Hz sounds very unusual to me.

Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: poynt99 on 2010.10.21, 22:41:08
I don't think he has posted a schematic or any real details.

I think these devices are inherently AC at the output, and DC at the input. Rectification of the output supplies separate loop-back power to the DC input caps.

.99
Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: Grumpy on 2010.10.22, 00:00:46
Quote from: poynt99 on 2010.10.21, 22:41:08
I don't think he has posted a schematic or any real details.

I think these devices are inherently AC at the output, and DC at the input. Rectification of the output supplies separate loop-back power to the DC input caps.

.99

I have found no reputable source to confirm the output is DC or AC or biased AC (above zero).

SR193's posts vary about metal cores and 50hz or not.  It think he is "guessing".

REad here all posts by "admin" - they go up to page 83 or so.  Admin is SR193.

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&u=http://next-energy.ru/&ei=1sDATPaSBYS8lQe-ponJCg&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBYQ7gEwAA&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dnext%2Benergy%2Bru%26hl%3Den%26prmd%3Dv
Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: szaxx on 2010.10.22, 09:19:00
Hi
Is this one by a Hungarian replicator? I am text only so frustrated I am!
The diagram hand drawn is in Hungarian so I gave it to my family who are Hungarian. An advantage but some english translation is difficult as their technical knowledge of English is limited.
Hope this is the same one as its similar as I remember it.
Steve.
Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: poynt99 on 2010.10.22, 12:08:17
I'm not 100% certain Steve, but listening to him it sounds like Russian to me. Also, his website is Russian.

Which diagram are you referring to?

.99
Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: szaxx on 2010.10.23, 19:59:33
Hi,
I very occasionally get a piccy, this time it had no info but I recognised it as hungarian text.
will send as soon as possible.
steve
Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: Peterae on 2010.10.24, 11:09:23
Has anyone heard anymore about this guy, it would appear he is Georgian, i see the video dates to 2008, and on the 9th August 2008 Russia launched a full scale invasion of Georgia.

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2008/08/georgia-latest/
Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: poynt99 on 2010.10.24, 13:23:14
I think SR193 is Russian.

Tariel Kapanadze is Georgian.

.99
Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: Peterae on 2010.11.06, 08:58:28
this looks similar in construction


OK guys here's Mopozco's circuit
Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: Peterae on 2010.11.06, 12:19:15
and this one posted on youtube by user vidbid1

Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: Grumpy on 2010.11.06, 14:40:00
Both of those circuits show the load directly attached to transformer secondary.

No gain there.
Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: ion on 2010.11.06, 16:34:52
Quote from: Grumpy on 2010.11.06, 14:40:00
Both of those circuits show the load directly attached to transformer secondary.

No gain there.

That's true G, but what if (and this is a big "what if") the circuit acts in the manner of a pump and check valve, whereby electrons are pumped out of the ground connection, and entrained by the oscillations, but not allowed to return, just accumulate.

Part of the energy will be lost as radiant light and heat from the lamps, but will be constantly replenished, possibly a balance will be achieved. The squeezing action (like a peristaltic pump) is the HF field around the wire going through the center of the coil. The spark gap acts like the check valve. The coils resonate at two different frequencies to provide a movement in one direction to the electrons.

Just a WAG, if it works at all.
Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: Peterae on 2010.11.06, 16:37:22
I hear you G

Does one of you technical guys want to have a go at how this works.

We have 3 coils in series, of different gauges and different wound directions laid onto a tube with practically no core, there's no caps to tune the system so what are we looking at here.

So whats going on here, the reason i want to understand is because we have all the parts that Don Smith uses on his bench top device.

We have the smaller coil as the primary which couples to main secondary coil and then at the end we have a bulky large coil, now Don did have a choke nearby, a slight rearrangement and it is totally possible to build the above using Don's parts.

So am i close with this

The small coil acts as a primary which although in series with the secondary induces on a turns ratio basis, the secondary is more turns so we get a step up, the end coil is less turns so we now convert to a lower voltage but high current.
These coils must resonate so this must be at their natural frequency, i have not been able to work it out but i would guess they are all different natural resonant frequency's.

So not only do we have first an up conversion and then a down conversion in amplitude but we also go from frequency to frequency at the same time(Harmonic energy conversion).

The wire in the middle that is removed starts the resonance at a lower frequency, but when removed this frequency will alter up in all 3 coils.

I would imagine it maybe possible to build a lower operating version of this by driving with a White noise generator and then tuning each coil to a different harmonic of the other it's just a matter of working out the harmonics.

Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: BEP on 2010.11.06, 16:51:50
The electrical equivalent of a peristaltic pump? Why not?

I think there is a better chance the magnetic field is being pumped vs. electrons.

What about the above schematic showing each end of the heavy gauge coil terminated when one end is clearly unterminated in the TK video?

I don't see many similarities between the TK coil and SR193's. SR193 states the importance of the ferrous core. I don't think TK mentions such a core.


Edit again:

SR193's video shows transistors and many caps. I'm wondering what the above schematic has to do with either TK or SR193  ???
Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: Peterae on 2010.11.06, 16:56:57
Erm i can count 8 turns on that big coil, the circuit says 6 DOH.
Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: Grumpy on 2010.11.06, 17:51:04
I don't think anyone has truthfully replicated any of Kapanadze's devices or built anything close enough to called a "variation".  Everyone talks a lot of noise, but I have not seen any real "proof".  There is no real proof of Kapanadze's claims, either, for that matter.  I already posted my circuit and explanation of how I think it could work if anyone else wants to take a crack at it.  It is on my bench.
Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: Peterae on 2010.11.06, 21:03:13
Here's some guesstimates ;D on the SSG

L1 = 93.23uH Self Res @ 24.2 Mhz
L2 = 172.1uH Self Res @ 30.9 Mhz
L3 = 1.691uH Self Res @ 57.1 Mhz

With a good helping of error that could easily be

20 Mhz
40 Mhz
60 Mhz

Also interestingly if a self resonant inductor is driven above it's self resonant frequency it becomes a capacitor, so if we have L1 and L2 switching between capacitive and inductive functions i would guess strange things could happen to the current.

Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: BEP on 2010.11.07, 00:37:25
Quote from: Peterae on 2010.11.06, 21:03:13
Also interestingly if a self resonant inductor is driven above it's self resonant frequency it becomes a capacitor, so if we have L1 and L2 switching between capacitive and inductive functions i would guess strange things could happen to the current.

Yes  ;)  Are you aware, yet, that the SRF can be varied by the type of signal applied or rather the type of leading edge of the applied signal? The inductance will also vary with the same and with the applied frequency.

More particular for your attempts, I think the series opposing winding may also have an effect upon the velocity factor of the coil system.

All together you are looking at variations of capacitance, inductance, velocity factor and magnetic flux density? If so, the only way to model it would be by using a TL with constantly changing length, conductor spacing and conductor types. Jeez! I hope it isn't that complicated  :o
Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: Peterae on 2010.11.07, 11:55:47
QuoteAre you aware, yet, that the SRF can be varied by the type of signal applied or rather the type of leading edge of the applied signal?

It takes a while for my brain to catch up with things  ;D, i was not aware of this really.

One thing has occurred to me i have seen an inductor start behaving like a capacitor, it was when i built those really large brookes coils and started pulsing them with nS delayed pulses, so it may seem that it's not just a case of driving a coil above self resonance but this also can be done by 2 short close spaced pulses, when you drive with one pulse then wait 10nS then drive another pulse the coil then thinks it's been run at 100Mhz  ;) even when the 2 pulses occur at 10kHz spacing.
Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: Peterae on 2010.11.09, 14:25:02
I have just moved the Negative Inductance discussion to it's own thread
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=410.msg6467#msg6467
Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: Core on 2010.11.20, 02:35:50
.99,

   Well I don't think I saw that '1st' video from SR. Looks like he has a PVC form for the coil. Is there any info on what his concept was in the video? Based on the stuff from the OU site I can't see how the HV wire simple wrapped around the core is beneficial.

   To pickup where I left off over there I split my core up into two sections. The high voltage wire is wrapped on the inside the entire length. The other lead from the HV supply is wrapped around the core and then to ground. Wired two quick test coils on each half. The concept is to load the left side of the core and see if right side of the core responds in kind. Hopefully tomorrow I will be able to hookup some power to test.

Respectfully,

Core
Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: poynt99 on 2010.11.20, 14:22:35
Looking forward to your tests Core ;)

There is very little info available on SR's devices as far as I know.

.99
Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: Core on 2010.11.20, 20:01:53
   I have to say that today's test's have me perplexed and excited. I have to clean up the setup a picture right now would lead to confusion as wires are everywhere. I am really starting to believe that SR's device is a process of mixing voltages. Also I believe that the ferrite acts as a mixing chamber. Today I was able to replicate SR's two transformer experiment in a different manor. As shown on my YouTube page a spark is injected into a transformer terminal. This spark makes the light glow brighter.

  Well today I can get the same results but better. I can create it with 'no spark' gap. Even better the HV and LV are separated by the ferrite. Even more interesting is that I can increase my voltage from 115 volts A.C. to 150 volts A.C. all the while amps increase by 1/10th. My high voltage transformer makes an 'odd' hum when turned on.

   Just a quick update.

Respectfully,

Core
Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: Core on 2010.11.21, 02:01:21
  The results with the higher voltage are interesting but I think it just proves how havoc HV can create. The buzzing sound I mentioned above, as it turns out, did not come from the HV power supply. I had a 120v to 24v transformer in the area. That was the source of the hum. My set up is as follows 12v battery feeds a 'off the shelf' 12v DC to 110V AC power converter. This inverter is rated for 300 watts. This unit also has an 'overload' feature that shuts the unit down in the event of an overload.  From the inverter I can power transformers or whatever I need to.

   The coil is setup as follows 32 ferrite rings the center of the coil contains a split (rubber insert). From this there is a coil wired 'inside' the core the full length and the outside the full length. Another coil is wrapped around the left side of the core and an independent coil around the right side of the core. This combination of coils allows for quick changes to be made.

   The most interesting thing that happened today, an it only happened one time, was while driving HV through the 'inside' coil I was able to 'shut-down' the power inverter on overload. During this test I had a 75 watt bulb in series with a coil on the outside of my core. The light was 'way to bright' I thought for sure I would lose the bulb. This event happened when I shorted the spark gap with a screwdriver. What made this event interesting was that I am not sure what allowed the bulb to consume more power. I bet if the inverter didn't have this overload protection it would of been damaged.

   I need to clean up the work area to be able to show some pictures. Incidentally the original plan was to create two magnets from one ferrite strip. This I succeeded in doing. Not the strongest but it can be done.

Respectfully,

Core 
Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: poynt99 on 2010.11.21, 02:08:57
Interesting results core. Keep at it.

Could you please place a link to your Youtube channel?

.99
Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: poynt99 on 2010.11.21, 02:12:20
Core,

Yes, mixing/modulation is an interesting concept, and seems to be along the lines that this guy talks about:

http://ut27972.narod.ru/Book_2/85_Book_2_part_85.htm

It's difficult to read the Google translation (at least for me), but there is some interesting stuff there.

The ferrite core being a non-linear medium (at its saturation thresholds) could indeed make an interesting mixing chamber.

.99
Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: poynt99 on 2010.11.21, 02:30:11
One thing I'll mention about this guy's talk on the spark gap drive voltage; I'm not sure I agree with his notion that the voltage across the spark gap will remain unipolar. See the diagram below:

(http://ut27972.narod.ru/Book_2/85_Book_2_part_85.files/image012.jpg)

The spark gap is switching at least one energized inductance, so I see the kickback causing bipolar currents across the SG. The "+НП" represents one SG threshold.

Am I missing something?

.99
Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: ion on 2010.11.21, 04:14:55
Tried to upload the English pdf but was too large (2.7 Meg)

After a brief scan of the document, one thing I can say for sure: these guys are crackerjack at designing with discrete components.
Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: poynt99 on 2010.11.21, 04:51:01
ION,

email the pdf to me and I will have it hosted with a link.

Is this a pdf of the Google translation?

.99
Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: Peterae on 2010.11.21, 09:55:20
Looks significant but i cannot speak Russian

http://next-energy.2x2forum.ru/forum-f4/tema-t19-50.htm#5607


(http://i64.servimg.com/u/f64/15/04/69/67/piton110.jpg)
Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: Grumpy on 2010.11.21, 16:08:13
nothing there
Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: Peterae on 2010.11.21, 20:01:00
OOPS oh really, what apart from the circuit you mean
Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: Grumpy on 2010.11.21, 20:23:27
I mean that there is nothing there that will help you with replication of Kapanadze's Device.

SR's purported replication is undocumented and unproven, as are all of the other replications.

CosmoLV has been preaching the an ever evolving spiel of crap for over a year now.  He was kicked off Energetic several months ago.  Back then he insisted that the primary of the Kapanadze "garden coil" was bifilar like Tesla's coil for electromagnets.  This increases the capacitance significantly and makes this approach very doubtful.

Also, every replication and discussion ignores the fact that the thick outer coil appears to be "open", and that the cable through the center of the coils appears to be the only thing that is grounded.  Also, looking at the other "garden coil" in Kapanadze's home, the cable in the center (core) appears to be folded back and forth, possibly to increase it's surface area.  Based on these observations, no one has really replicated the "garden coil", and no one is even close.


Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: S4alien4U on 2010.11.21, 21:03:08
Very interesting device.
Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: Grumpy on 2010.11.21, 22:09:16
Quote from: S4alien4U on 2010.11.21, 21:03:08
These devices are not OU, but simply obfuscated step up transformers.

See!  I am not the only one with a BS meter!
Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: Core on 2010.11.21, 23:36:07
Quote from: Grumpy on 2010.11.21, 20:23:27

SR's purported replication is undocumented and unproven, as are all of the other replications.


I agree here. I sometimes wonder if he dropped off the scene because he was ashamed. He took a lot of attention from Tariel. I have already spent some money of ferrite rings. I guess I'll work my last idea through and concentrate on Tariel's device.

Respectfully,

Core
 
Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: duff on 2010.11.22, 16:22:51
@Core

Have you seen these posts from SR?

http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=333.msg5960#msg5960

It sounds to me that he is talking about NMR and a core magnetic material with a high Natural Abundance.

59Co has a natural abundance of 100% as does 55Mn, however there are health issues associated with 55Mn fumes.
SR did mention having a headache and fever for two days.

Quote
The first process allows them to relax, the second turn, so that all these small magnets are created resulting field and powerful.
It sounds like he is talking about pulse rate/duty cycle that allow for relaxation times.

Typically there or only uV responses coming from NMR but who knows. Maybe he tapped into another potential.

Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: Peterae on 2010.11.23, 13:40:17
I notice in the video SR is using a line transformer from an old TV, it looks like a very old black & white tv transformer which would be AC output @ about 20kv no split diode contained inside these transformers, this would have a long diode in series with the EHT lead to the final anode of the tube(Stick Rectifier)

but

It could also be a line transformer from a valve colour tv and these were much lower voltage because they fed a tripler or cockroft multiplier stage, these again were AC, the blue spark across the gap reminds me of the good old test for a faulty tripler loading the line stage, this consisted of unsoldering the tripler feed from the transformer, powering on said tv and holding a screwdriver near the tab on the transformer, a nice blue spark could be drawn if the line stage was ok  ;D
I would class this spark as cold, when there's dc content the spark is hot, violent and normally white.

He's definatley got a cold spark there  ;)
Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: Peterae on 2010.11.23, 13:51:50
OK just watched it again, and i also just noticed he's using the scan coil plug to hold the spark gap wire  ;D

Defiantly a colour tv, and dam if i remember in the UK there were 3 makes that used those green scan plugs, Grundig and ITT and Philips.

Philips didn't use a white Line transformer as far as i can remember, ITT is possible but more likely is early Grundig colour portable, those electrolytics he's using seem to ring a bell for grundig as well, i wish my memory was a bit sharper.
Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: poynt99 on 2010.11.23, 14:19:48
Hi Peter.

Which transformer are you referring to? (as there are two in his device).

.99
Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: Peterae on 2010.11.23, 14:32:47
The white one, in fact i now know which make model and line transformer he has used  ;D

Been trying to wind back my memory , I have fixed loads of these TV's but about 20 years ago, i was wrong above, it's definatly a Philips portable colour, the line transformer was white and it fed a tripler, it also used the green scan connectors, although sometimes orange were used, it's a KT2 chassis.



Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: Peterae on 2010.11.23, 14:37:49
I am trying to find a picture of the KT2 transformer.

So far found only the Later version of the KT3 which was Split diode based.
Same shape but the final anode lead screwed into the transformer via the nut you see on the transformer, i cannot remember exactly how the KT2 connected to the triple, it may have been the same way.

Note the appearance of this transformer is different to the original because this was a replacement by another transformer manufacturer.

(http://www.technotronic-dimensions.com/483514887048.jpg)

EDIT
The KT2 transformer didn't have the red wire you see either, this is for A1 and focus voltage generation chain, which the KT2 did from a tap on the tripler.
I have found a circuit of the KT2 not sure if anyone is really interested in that but i will upload just incase, he's certainly using a number of components from it, including some of the wiring loom.
Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: Peterae on 2010.11.23, 15:08:07
I guess it's still possible it could be an early Grundig also, they also used green scan coil connectors and i think i can remember a white molded transformer in one as well, i wish i could find some pictures of these chassis to rule each out or even pictures of the original LOPTX
Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: Peterae on 2010.11.23, 20:28:53
Slight problem with this device guys, theres a twin corded wire going under the table just north/east of the bulb, both bulb connections are at the south end of the bulb, the wire can be seen dangling down by his feet at 4:17 is the best the wire even swings as if it's suspended from the underside of the table, but also at 3:11, 5:24, 6:58 and a few other times

Worst still the wires connected to the bulb are the same colour, so it's quiet possible his device is not even driving the bulb  :-\ but a straight connection to the mains supply, plus this splits to drive his mains transformer.

Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: Grumpy on 2010.11.23, 20:36:34
QuoteHolly came from Miami, F.L.A.
Hitch-hiked her way across the USA
Plucked her eyebrows on the way
Shaved her legs and then he was a she
She says, Hey babe
Take a walk on the wild side
Hey honey
Take a walk on the wild side

the first image is an old idea that doesn't work (oops)

second image is latest idea.
Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: poynt99 on 2010.11.24, 02:14:16
Grumps,

The core wire B-field would be "static" ??

.99
Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: Grumpy on 2010.11.24, 02:18:32
sorry that was an old idea that doesn't work

10-20-2010 diagram is the latest idea
Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: Core on 2010.11.24, 02:51:01
Quote from: Peterae on 2010.11.23, 20:28:53
Slight problem with this device guys, theres a twin corded wire going under the table just north/east of the bulb, both bulb connections are at the south end of the bulb, the wire can be seen dangling down by his feet at 4:17 is the best the wire even swings as if it's suspended from the underside of the table, but also at 3:11, 5:24, 6:58 and a few other times

Worst still the wires connected to the bulb are the same colour, so it's quiet possible his device is not even driving the bulb  :-\ but a straight connection to the mains supply, plus this splits to drive his mains transformer.



  A lot of things don't add up or make sense with the SR193 device. I have tried putting myself in his position but everything I come up with is opposite of what he has done.  ??? For starters SR is an avid FE researcher. Like anyone else I'm sure he has seen or has heard about devices that can easily raise an eyebrow. He was most likely like anyone else that has asked for more information before claiming it legit.

  Now here we have a guy who say's he has replicated Tariel's device. The big problem is that there is only one video and in this video there is no camera shot of 'under the table'. Ironically Tariel has about nine or so video's and practically all angles of his device have been filmed. SR must of known that his one video would not legitimize the device. So why wouldn't he film another one? There is no indication that his device can run an inductive load. It makes no sense to go into hiding, most people, if not all, love to silence there critics.

  One thing for sure he has distracted many people from working on replicating TK's device. One crazy theory I'll start is that the device is a hoax and this was his way to draw Tariel to him. Kinda like 'Hey we have something in common soooo..... what's your secret'.  :P

Respectfully,

Core     
Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: Core on 2010.11.24, 03:09:14
@Grumpy

That second setup will light a small bulb with high frequency. Shorting the spark gap lights it brighter.

Respectfully,

Core
Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: Kooler on 2010.11.24, 03:11:01
Quote from: Peterae on 2010.11.23, 20:28:53
Slight problem with this device guys, theres a twin corded wire going under the table just north/east of the bulb, both bulb connections are at the south end of the bulb, the wire can be seen dangling down by his feet at 4:17 is the best the wire even swings as if it's suspended from the underside of the table, but also at 3:11, 5:24, 6:58 and a few other times

Worst still the wires connected to the bulb are the same colour, so it's quiet possible his device is not even driving the bulb  :-\ but a straight connection to the mains supply, plus this splits to drive his mains transformer.



maybe this will help.. i have some other photos if you want them..

Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: Kooler on 2010.11.24, 03:17:29
this one has a interesting view

Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: Grumpy on 2010.11.24, 05:19:35
Quote from: Core on 2010.11.24, 03:09:14
@Grumpy

That second setup will light a small bulb with high frequency. Shorting the spark gap lights it brighter.

Respectfully,

Core

it hints at something a little different and is not a high freq phenomenon
Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: Peterae on 2010.11.24, 08:52:38
Thanks kooler, i stand corrected about the black wire.

The pictures certainly are a lot clearer, i would really like to see any more you have, the big choke he is using is also out of the TV.
It has an interesting function in the TV, it's basically a very large choke thats pulsed at TV line speed with varying pulse width from a mains feed, the output of the choke is filtered for 131 Volts HT supply to the line stage, it also has an output wind that feeds the line drive, and another thats rectified to provide 20volts DC this goes on to feed the audio stage.

This choke is a very interesting choice for feedback into his system, i am now actually eel more comfortable he has something seeing this used.
Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: Kooler on 2010.11.24, 23:25:37
Quote from: Peterae on 2010.11.24, 08:52:38
Thanks kooler, i stand corrected about the black wire.
The pictures certainly are a lot clearer, i would really like to see any more you have, the big choke he is using is also out of the TV.

i just found the website i got those pictures

http://www.hvlabs.hu/zpe/Gruz/overunity.com/ (http://www.hvlabs.hu/zpe/Gruz/overunity.com/)

robbie

Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: ismael_34 on 2010.11.30, 23:19:03
hello friends

and found this scheme, do you think q may be the sr 193?

       and another thing any of you can translate it?

          thanks
Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: Kooler on 2010.12.01, 03:25:39
34
were you get that schematic.. looks promising


robbie
Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: Core on 2010.12.01, 05:15:15
There is a member on the next-energy.ru site that goes by the name SOS-SOS. I believe he posted a wiring diagram there that got some attention fromwhat I have been able to understand. What what it sounds like on that site he is the equivalent of CosmoLV on the OU site. I could be wrong here as I read the pages via Google translate.  :-[

Respectfully,

Core 
Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: Peterae on 2010.12.01, 06:54:27
Thanks kooler
Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: ismael_34 on 2010.12.02, 10:04:19


hello friends

I found this Russian forum, where you can see the wiring


http://www.001-lab.com/001lab/index.php?topic=4.msg10791#msg10791
http://www.001-lab.com/001lab/index.php?topic=4.msg10917#msg10917
http://www.001-lab.com/001lab/index.php?topic=4.msg11517#msg11517

  chauuu
Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: Peterae on 2010.12.02, 10:34:20
Good Find ismael_34
Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: ismael_34 on 2010.12.11, 22:42:40
hello friends


     I've created my own interpretation of the functioning of kapagen, and wanted

share it with you, to see what you think about it.



         I believe that the operation of the coil is created by four coils

different wound on a ferrite core, the first coil L1, is the first coil

is linked to land and enrorrada ferrtita the same core of both ends of the coil

are attached to land, forming a short 'circuit





           the second coil L2 is blue in the sr winding 193, this coil is

connected to the gap, only one end of winding, the other end is open, no connection, by

that reason the spark is not much power, that is open one end, coil L2

L1 is wound on the wound that has all appreciate the extra length, and is in

short 'circuit has ground chuck


                  the third coil L3 is connected to the thyristors to create a

THROUGH variable frequency pulsed circuit with the 555 (the third coil is

first to be seen in the wound on the left side of SR 193, this, is wrapped

L2 coil on blue)


                    the fourth coil L4 is to feed the 120 V/12 V transformer

Which is powered by 12 volt secondary feedback to the circuit, Flik

frecuencimetro.la flap and the lamp socket of the transformer primary voltage and the union

of the grounded wire



           The question is to create a short circuit with the coil L1, throw to earth, and

with the coil L2 and L3 control the short circuit, L2 or create resonance amplitude

wave, and L3 create frequency, and thus controls the short circuit, which

absorb the energy of the earth




            is only a theory, based on the idea of being able to control lightning, which

out of the ground to the clouds



            chauuuu
Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: ismael_34 on 2010.12.13, 01:49:02
hello friends

          I leave here some pictures taken from a video Tariel
Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: the_big_m_in_ok on 2010.12.14, 04:32:58
Quote from: ismael_34 on 2010.12.02, 10:04:19

hello friends

I found this Russian forum, where you can see the wiring


http://www.001-lab.com/001lab/index.php?topic=4.msg10791#msg10791
http://www.001-lab.com/001lab/index.php?topic=4.msg10917#msg10917
http://www.001-lab.com/001lab/index.php?topic=4.msg11517#msg11517

  chauuu


Here are several more sites:

http://matrix.3nx.ru
http://next-energy.2x2forum.ru


www.hvlabs.hu is already given in this thread, I believe.
This last one isn't in Russian, but it does look like an East European language.    Hungarian?    ".hu"?   
Not Magyar?   Magyar means 'Hungarian'; the language on the 'Web, as defined.

--Lee
Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: szaxx on 2010.12.14, 10:30:13
Hi,
Its Hungarian and anything in it can be translated. Hopefully its not that technical as no English words match some used so I'll have a look when on a pc.
Steve.
Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: N.T.T.L. on 2010.12.14, 17:27:32

How come you here missed the Kapanadze replication page from JLNlabs ??

A little mouse told me that JLN knows the insiders world.
What you certainly learn is that you can light 10 times 220 v. lamps thru tapwater !
So without additives. Meaning you highohmic being could be roasted with 2 kW.
Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: Grumpy on 2010.12.14, 17:35:10
Quote from: N.T.T.L. on 2010.12.14, 17:27:32
How come you here missed the Kapanadze replication page from JLNlabs ??

A little mouse told me that JLN knows the insiders world.
What you certainly learn is that you can light 10 times 220 v. lamps thru tapwater !
So without additives. Meaning you highohmic being could be roasted with 2 kW.

Because Naudin's replication is "bogus".

The Mouse lied.
Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: N.T.T.L. on 2010.12.14, 17:48:54
Last chance. What is bogus exactly ??  No oneliners please.
Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: Grumpy on 2010.12.14, 18:25:41
Quote from: N.T.T.L. on 2010.12.14, 17:48:54
Last chance. What is bogus exactly ??  No oneliners please.

Naudin thought he knew how Kapanadze's device worked an built accordingly.  The two devices are different, and so are the results.  Same for SR123.

"bogus" means: fraudulent; having a misleading appearance; not genuine
Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: ismael_34 on 2010.12.15, 20:22:15


   Hi Grumpy

j qualifies your reply Naudin has shown that the results of their experiences

        193 sr Sibra not know if it will be real or not but at least gave us a test

     chauuuu
Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: ismael_34 on 2010.12.15, 20:24:18
hi the_big_m_in_ok

thanks for the links you've posted

     chauuuu
Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: the_big_m_in_ok on 2010.12.17, 04:20:40
Quote from: ismael_34 on 2010.12.15, 20:24:18
hi the_big_m_in_ok
thanks for the links you've posted
     chauuuu
Sure, you bet.

http://www.001-lab.com/

This is one of my favorites.  I look at it for ideas from wiring schematics, mostly.  I can run the language(s) through a free 'Web translator, but that sometimes takes creative interpretation.  The East Europeans can be quite creative.

--Lee
Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: ismael_34 on 2010.12.17, 19:49:23
hello friend the_big_m_in_ok

  I've seen what you sent me, and I think that the countries of this can be very creative, I've been reading in wikipedia, some information about The Book of Veles,
but do not know why you post this?


         thanks   O0
Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: the_big_m_in_ok on 2010.12.17, 20:49:48
Quote from: ismael_34 on 2010.12.17, 19:49:23
hello friend the_big_m_in_ok

  I've seen what you sent me, and I think that the countries of this can be very creative, I've been reading in wikipedia, some information about The Book of Veles,
but do not know why you post this?
         thanks   O0
Now I see.
Take a look at this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Veles

I didn't know the panel plank of the Book of Veles/Vles(?) was part of the home page of the site.  The Veles Book is somewhat like folklore, yes?  The Wikipedia article says the language isn't really authentic compared to even ancient Slavic written languages.

Okay, I won't criticize that.
The research of the site members at...    www.001-lab.com   ...might be considered a unwelcome at certain government organizations in the Kremlin?  I'm not exactly sure why they site owner chose that symbol for his site, but his site member's electronic research, like others elsewhere, is dealing with free energy, and this falls outside the realm of accepted electronic physics in universities and industry, for example.

Well, that was only my opinion.
All I meant to imply was that some East European researchers are intelligent tinkerers with good graphics software on their computers, who invent many, MANY interesting circuits to work on in their spare time.

I know how to read European wiring diagrams from my days as a professional electronic technician.  There are many Russian and some Polish immigrants in San Fransisco  where I live.  I met some Russian Jews at one synagogue I visited.  Also, my Mom was derived from a few Medieval Russians and Hungarians more than 700 years ago. 
(I'm an amateur genealogist.)

--Lee
Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: ismael_34 on 2011.01.01, 01:17:49
          O0 Happy New Year, a hug for everyone, and achieve our goals this year   O0
Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: the_big_m_in_ok on 2011.01.05, 02:28:20
With respect to Reply #60,

Some of the wiring connections are missing.  Enough that the whole diagram is just about unreadable to me.

--Lee
Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: ismael_34 on 2011.01.08, 02:47:20
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on 2011.01.05, 02:28:20
With respect to Reply #60,

Some of the wiring connections are missing.  Enough that the whole diagram is just about unreadable to me.

--Lee



 hi the_big_m_in_ok


look at this, is similar

(http://s011.radikal.ru/i318/1011/aa/7ae2e6e745c1.jpg)


forun http://realstrannik.ru/forum-strannikov.html?func=view&catid=19&id=102


  chauuu

Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: the_big_m_in_ok on 2011.01.08, 03:09:04
Quote from: ismael_34 on 2011.01.08, 02:47:20

 hi the_big_m_in_ok

look at this, is similar

(http://s011.radikal.ru/i318/1011/aa/7ae2e6e745c1.jpg)

forun http://realstrannik.ru/forum-strannikov.html?func=view&catid=19&id=102

  chauuu

Yes, thank you.  That's better.
I can identify most components. It a good improvement over what was shown before.

--Lee
Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: Core on 2011.01.08, 18:43:49
  Going back to the SR device. Has anybody looked at Tesla patent #428,057 entitled Pyromagneto Electric generator?  O0

  When you read this patent it sounds very familiar to what SR said when he explained his device. By that I mean, and to paraphrase "Imagine something burning and rapidly cooling, then burning again"

  Also member LtBolo, on the OU site, back in September was at a point where he was building a good amount of heat in his cores. At that time CosmoLV said he was close.

  Some food for thought.

Respectfully,

Core
Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: Grumpy on 2011.01.21, 14:54:39
I think CosmoLV has some interesting ideas that he has not proven or even tested, but he thinks he is right so he keep pushing them out there.  So take everything he says with a grain of salt.

Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: humbugger on 2011.01.21, 21:10:48
Quote from: ismael_34 on 2011.01.08, 02:47:20

 hi the_big_m_in_ok


look at this, is similar

(http://s011.radikal.ru/i318/1011/aa/7ae2e6e745c1.jpg)


forun http://realstrannik.ru/forum-strannikov.html?func=view&catid=19&id=102


  chauuu



My favorite part is the ON switch, which appears to do nothing but short out the 12V battery.  What's up with that?
Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: ismael_34 on 2011.01.22, 13:12:01


        hello friend humbugger

   I really do not understand

  but, hey found a forum in which a user named mishail71
, is doing tests, and reported to us which is the essence of the system


stick it translated the Essene   ;)

Hello!
Firstly we do not necessarily have the TT enough explosive momentum admixed to the main signal at the zero point of each half-cycle ...
Secondly we need to get rid of useless hysteresis loop.
That is, if we obtain positive wave meanders, then at this moment is the saturation of the core (magnetic induction). At first slowly and then a sharp jump in and then again a little raised (which would later there was no field). That is a chapel of the maximum efficiency of magnetic induction.
Thirdly us as we must maintain this same magnetic induction (saturation of the core), because the transition meanders in the negative half-cycle, we will close the hysteresis loop.
In other words, each half wave of reverse polarity will destroy the remanence serdechnika.I repeat everything again ...
That you understand we do not need!
The question is how to do so would not bring the matter before the circuit loop
hysteresis?
And at the zero point of each half wave remained remanence of the core for the next half wave of the same polarity.
With the success and makes the explosive pulse, creating a force induction core in each half-cycle ... ... Although there is another way to keep the magnetization of the core ...
Here are the two main things that must be satisfied ...
Yours!
   
links     mishail71     http://matrix.3nx.ru/viewtopic.php?t=134&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=1050

    user youtube link  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NB1Hlxe-dVI

      lucky
             

                             
     
Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: the_big_m_in_ok on 2011.01.27, 20:43:50
@all
Just so everyone knows, I get this return (bounce back) when I enter...

http://www.001-lab.com

on the browser address bar:

http://001-lab.com/cgi-sys/suspendedpage.cgi

Both addresses do the same thing when clicked upon.  What happened?

--Lee
Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: Grumpy on 2011.01.27, 20:49:36
that account was suspended
Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: muDped on 2011.01.27, 21:20:42
Quote from: ismael_34 on 2011.01.22, 13:12:01

        hello friend humbugger

   I really do not understand

  but, hey found a forum in which a user named mishail71
, is doing tests, and reported to us which is the essence of the system


stick it translated the Essene   ;)

Hello!
Firstly we do not necessarily have the TT enough explosive momentum admixed to the main signal at the zero point of each half-cycle ...
Secondly we need to get rid of useless hysteresis loop.
That is, if we obtain positive wave meanders, then at this moment is the saturation of the core (magnetic induction). At first slowly and then a sharp jump in and then again a little raised (which would later there was no field). That is a chapel of the maximum efficiency of magnetic induction.
Thirdly us as we must maintain this same magnetic induction (saturation of the core), because the transition meanders in the negative half-cycle, we will close the hysteresis loop.
In other words, each half wave of reverse polarity will destroy the remanence serdechnika.I repeat everything again ...
That you understand we do not need!
The question is how to do so would not bring the matter before the circuit loop
hysteresis?
And at the zero point of each half wave remained remanence of the core for the next half wave of the same polarity.
With the success and makes the explosive pulse, creating a force induction core in each half-cycle ... ... Although there is another way to keep the magnetization of the core ...
Here are the two main things that must be satisfied ...
Yours!
   
links:

    mishail71 (http://matrix.3nx.ru/viewtopic.php?t=134&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=1050)
   
    user youtube link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NB1Hlxe-dVI)   

      lucky
             


It seems that he may be saying that it is important
to utilize discontinuous pulsing.
- - - - - - - - - -
The pulses should be strong enough to take the
core to saturation;  then the magnetic field is permitted
to decay to remanence prior to the application of the
next pulse.

The direction of the magnetic field must not be changed.

Each pulse must have the same polarity.  Polarity reversals
destroy the effect.

There is more that is difficult to comprehend regarding core
saturation and how it is achieved or possibly exceeded.
- - - - - - - - - - -

Discontinuous pulsing is made use of in certain switch mode
power supply systems.
Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: Grumpy on 2011.01.27, 21:36:56
There is no core in TK's patent, or any mention of a core by him in any of the translations.  Every replication with a core is suspicious and not proven to be OU.

Lastly, the spark in the TK devices is not thick and has very little current to create a magnetic field to saturate a core.
Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: feynman on 2011.03.18, 21:46:03
This video was interesting, as were the schematics .  But I am also careful that this might be a waste of time, given that there is already a language barrier in place (Georgian/Russian).

I think it's probably easier to work back from experimental results with pulsed DC solenoid into air core, soft iron core, ferrite core, etc , but that's just my 2c on this.
Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: ismael_34 on 2011.03.20, 17:11:54
hello friend

  it would also be very interezate, build a core of steel wire, such as using bicycles for the brake, I say this from experience above, using the welding set on a motorcycle and observed nowadays that more fluidesd circulating current for steely wires of the brakes, the chassis itself iron
Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: macedonia cd on 2011.06.10, 14:14:10
heloo all
  @core  you  are thing very good   about heating but how to get heat out cores  and coling fast  how to say <ferith core make paramagnetic and magnetic the idea is ok. do you have idea for this :)
Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: the_big_m_in_ok on 2011.06.10, 18:17:32
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on 2011.01.27, 20:43:50
@all
Just so everyone knows, I get this return (bounce back) when I enter...
http://www.001-lab.com
on the browser address bar:
http://001-lab.com/cgi-sys/suspendedpage.cgi
Both addresses do the same thing when clicked upon.  What happened?
--Lee
"Just so everyone knows," again:
I believe if the site master of   http//www.001-lab.com   ever decided to backup, or reconfigure, the database software suite, the above error message would be seen.

It took me awhile to figure that out from seeing it happen every so often on other sites.

--Lee
Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: exnihiloest on 2011.06.11, 09:48:12
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on 2011.06.10, 18:17:32
"Just so everyone knows," again:
I believe if the site master of   http//www.001-lab.com   ever decided to backup, or reconfigure, the database software suite, the above error message would be seen.

It took me awhile to figure that out from seeing it happen every so often on other sites.

--Lee


Here the site works well from its home page at:
http://www.001-lab.com/001lab/index.php

In any case one can use google cache:
http://www.google.fr/#q=site:001-lab.com


Title: Re: SR193's (nextenergyru) TK Replication
Post by: the_big_m_in_ok on 2011.06.11, 20:19:19
Quote from: exnihiloest on 2011.06.11, 09:48:12
Here the site works well from its home page at:
http://www.001-lab.com/001lab/index.php

In any case one can use google cache:
http://www.google.fr/#q=site:001-lab.com
Very good, exnihiloest.
Both sites load and run, even on filtered, borrowed computers at the public library.
Thanks.

--Lee