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Title: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: Centraflow on 2020.10.16, 17:23:23
Something that will be coming in the near future.

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The global atmospheric electrical circuit is the course of continuous movement of atmospheric electricity between the ionosphere and the Earth. Through solar radiation, thunderstorms, and the fair-weather condition, the atmosphere is subject to a continual and substantial electrical current.
Principally, thunderstorms throughout the world carry negative charges to the earth, which is then discharged gradually through the air in fair weather.[1]
This atmospheric circuit is central to the study of atmospheric physics and meteorology. It is used in the prediction of thunderstorms,[2] and was central to the understanding of electricity. In the past, it has been suggested as a source of available energy or communications platforms.
The voltages involved in the Earth's circuit are significant. At sea level, the typical potential gradient in fair weather is 120 V/m. Nonetheless, since the conductivity of air is limited, the associated currents are also limited. A typical value is 1800 A over the entire planet. When it is not rainy or stormy, the amount of electricity within the atmosphere[clarification needed] is typically between 1000 and 1800 amps. In fair weather conditions, there are about 3.5 microamps per square kilometer (9 microamps per square mile).[5] This can produce a 200+ volt difference between the head and feet of a regular person.

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Nicholas Tesla knew this, and as so brought about his famous phrase "connecting to the wheelwork of nature". In one of his lectures and demonstrations, he showed how "electricity" is all around us, according to newspaper reporters everyone at the lecture could feel their body tingling and warming as though energy was coming off the walls and ceiling. So what was happening! What had he done to demonstrate this without giving the secret away! The answer is they were all sitting or standing between two capacitor plates which they could not see, they were "swimming" in the electric field of a capacitor, current only moves externally to a capacitor so nobody was hurt.
I think everyone knows about the dismantling of a Leyden jar capacitor and putting it back together with no loss of charge. I think also everyone knows you can charge a capacitor to 200v with microamps over time and discharge it instantly with huge current displacement, but it's not over-unity and neither is the famous TPU "Toroidal Power Unit" of Steven Mark. Overunity like we perceive the word, does not exist, but it does not mean you cannot have the energy for free, that is another thing, you can take it from the "wheel-work of nature".



The above is an extract from a book that I will be publishing and I expect on Amazon. By buying this book you can apply for a one-off license to build one unit for personal use. After returning a fully signed NDA you will be sent full plans to build a 300-500watt unit. No extra charge will be made but the plans come as an addendum to the book and will be covered by copyright and any building will be under the one-off license for personal use.
Before anyone asks about the price of the book! It is to be what agreement with Amazon, I expect at this time, the price of a paperback.

Regards

Mike 8)
Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: Allcanadian on 2020.10.16, 19:50:26
Hey Mike
Good for you, I wish you the best of luck.

QuoteI think everyone knows about the dismantling of a Leyden jar capacitor and putting it back together with no loss of charge. I think also everyone knows you can charge a capacitor to 200v with microamps over time and discharge it instantly with huge current displacement, but it's not over-unity and neither is the famous TPU "Toroidal Power Unit" of Steven Mark. Overunity like we perceive the word, does not exist, but it does not mean you cannot have the energy for free, that is another thing, you can take it from the "wheel-work of nature".

I would agree, as we know every part of the atom is in perpetual motion thus so is everything made of atoms. If EM energy and high energy particles are always being radiated into space then every space everywhere must contain said energy perpetually. This is the wheel work of nature Tesla spoke of and the proof can be found in any science textbook. So no over unity is needed and unity or the COE proves the universe is energy on every level everywhere.

QuoteThe above is an extract from a book that I will be publishing and I expect on Amazon. By buying this book you can apply for a one-off license to build one unit for personal use. After returning a fully signed NDA you will be sent full plans to build a 300-500watt unit. No extra charge will be made but the plans come as an addendum to the book and will be covered by copyright and any building will be under the one-off license for personal use.
Before anyone asks about the price of the book! It is to be what agreement with Amazon, I expect at this time, the price of a paperback.

So it begins...
It's been a long haul for everyone involved in this area of research, I hope you nail it and I'm looking forward to reading about how you approached the problem.

Regards



Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: Verpies on 2020.10.16, 21:41:47
Quote from: Centraflow on 2020.10.16, 17:23:23
I think also everyone knows you can charge a capacitor to 200v with microamps over time and discharge it instantly with huge current displacement, but it's not over-unity
I agree. Current amplification is not the same as energy amplification.
In the case of the capacitor experiment you've described, the current is amplified at the expense of time.
In case of a regular transformer, current can be amplified at the expense of voltage.
Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: Verpies on 2020.10.16, 21:43:41
Quote from: Allcanadian on 2020.10.16, 19:50:26
I would agree, as we know every part of the atom is in perpetual motion thus so is everything made of atoms.
I would go even further and write that atoms ARE motions, albeit not the linear vectorial motions of Newtonian physics.

Quote from: Centraflow on 2020.10.16, 17:23:23
Overunity like we perceive the word, does not exist, but it does not mean you cannot have the energy for free, that is another thing, you can take it from the "wheel-work of nature".
...for example by unwinding the atomic motions of ordinary matter.
Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: Centraflow on 2020.10.16, 22:08:21
Quote:
It's been a long haul for everyone involved in this area of research, I hope you nail it and I'm looking forward to reading about how you approached the problem.
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Longer than you can imagine. As I have said often you have to investigate the person and problem as though you are a detective, once you have a lead, follow it. Not every time it comes up trumps but don't throw it away, it just might fit in with another piece of the investigation.

Back working with Dr. Stiffler in private was where it all started, RIP.

I have not finished the book but it is two thirds. It gives a lot of history of how this was investigated, also the opportunities I have given to others on this forum to expand on what I had on the SM TPU and help to bring it to a fully working unit, how each of SM's units were different from his beginning to his final TPU's. Remember the first did not power anything!!

I had things wrong in the beginning, I was nearly right and why I had some success giving me a few seconds running and very unstable.

Anyway, you will have to wait or I will be giving my book away.

The secret is already in the hands of two other people in case this bloody virus decides to do away with me. The book gives my children something in the future, it was my lawyer who gave the idea as it serves better than a patent and copyright is forever as will be the licenses and everybody can have it for the price of a paperback.

Remember the book does not give the plans, they come as a copyrighted addendum to the book for free.

There is still work to do on this as it is only at the stage of Steven Mark's video running a TV etc

Regards

Mike 8)
Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: PhysicsProf on 2020.10.17, 02:10:44
Quote from: Centraflow on 2020.10.16, 22:08:21

Longer than you can imagine. As I have said often you have to investigate the person and problem as though you are a detective, once you have a lead, follow it. Not every time it comes up trumps but don't throw it away, it just might fit in with another piece of the investigation.

Back working with Dr. Stiffler in private was where it all started, RIP.

I have not finished the book but it is two thirds. It gives a lot of history of how this was investigated, also the opportunities I have given to others on this forum to expand on what I had on the SM TPU and help to bring it to a fully working unit, how each of SM's units were different from his beginning to his final TPU's. Remember the first did not power anything!!

I had things wrong in the beginning, I was nearly right and why I had some success giving me a few seconds running and very unstable.

Anyway, you will have to wait or I will be giving my book away.

The secret is already in the hands of two other people in case this bloody virus decides to do away with me. The book gives my children something in the future, it was my lawyer who gave the idea as it serves better than a patent and copyright is forever as will be the licenses and everybody can have it for the price of a paperback.

Remember the book does not give the plans, they come as a copyrighted addendum to the book for free.

There is still work to do on this as it is only at the stage of Steven Mark's video running a TV etc

Regards

Mike 8)

Mike, I know you've been working on this a long time.  More Power to you! 
I'm looking forward to purchasing your book/addendum - a very clever approach I must say.  Very interesting!

   In view of the vicissitudes of life (and the virus you mentioned), once you get to the point of a "small working device," I would encourage you to consider publishing your book.  And I will gladly buy it and sign your NDA!  This way, you can begin to get support (including replications on a small scale, if you so desire).   I think this is a wise approach.
Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: Paul-R on 2020.10.17, 08:52:10
Quote from: PhysicsProf on 2020.10.17, 02:10:44

...and I will gladly buy it and sign your NDA!


I had much to do with these in the 80s.

The truest word i've heard about NDAs is that they bind the honest and have no effect on the dishonest. You won't be able to police them.
Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: Centraflow on 2020.10.17, 11:40:16
Quote from: Paul-R on 2020.10.17, 08:52:10
I had much to do with these in the 80s.

The truest word i've heard about NDAs is that they bind the honest and have no effect on the dishonest. You won't be able to police them.

Not exactly a NDA, it is an individual one off license supplied to each individual  after buying the book, it has specific restrictions.

Regards

Mike  8)
Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: Allcanadian on 2020.10.17, 15:12:58
Paul-R
QuoteThe truest word i've heard about NDAs is that they bind the honest and have no effect on the dishonest. You won't be able to police them.

Generally speaking an NDA is meant to limit free speech which is contrary to most claiming to want to protect it. However a license agreement is similar to buying software and agreeing not to copy and sell it. Copyright and license agreements protect the inventors claim to originality which is the most important aspect in my opinion. So any number of incompetent people will try to steal the idea, they always do however the original idea remains with it's author.

Basically this is what were looking for, giving credit where credit is due.

Regards
Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: Centraflow on 2020.10.17, 15:50:37
AC

Yes that is the idea, and two extra things, copyright does not cost like a patent and it is cheap to enforce in a court and where the license runs with the copyright as an official addendum of the book, it is all included in the price you have paid for the book from a publisher and distributor with records of purchase.

Regards

Mike  8)
Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: web000x on 2020.10.17, 17:27:31
You're the man, Mike. I truly appreciate your efforts.  O0

Dave
Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: partzman on 2020.10.17, 20:35:44
I second that!

Pm
Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: Paul-R on 2020.10.17, 22:59:02
Quote from: Allcanadian on 2020.10.17, 15:12:58

Generally speaking an NDA is meant to limit free speech...


Well, sort of, AC. A Non Disclosure Agreement is designed to shut down free speech completely.

It says that one person is willing to tell a second person certain statements on condition that the second person does not reveal anything about it at all. Mike seems to be talking about a much wider agreement, not really an NDA at all. What he is offering is very interesting. He should be ready with a script and storyboard for a 55min documentary, a service for turnkey industrial jumbo products etc. etc.

How much of the retail price does Amazon take? They have a dodgy reputation. If the technology is not fully publicly disclosed, i reckon Amazon could rush out several patents and then Mike could find himself locked out of his own work, along with all of us.

He needs professional advice.

Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: Cadman on 2020.10.17, 23:07:15
Add me to the list. This is exciting news!

Will you be posting the book release on this thread?

Respectfully,
Cadman
Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: Allcanadian on 2020.10.19, 15:34:58
Paul-R
QuoteIt says that one person is willing to tell a second person certain statements on condition that the second person does not reveal anything about it at all. Mike seems to be talking about a much wider agreement, not really an NDA at all. What he is offering is very interesting. He should be ready with a script and storyboard for a 55min documentary, a service for turnkey industrial jumbo products etc. etc.

An NDA is a mutual agreement, for example person 1 agrees to share there intellectual property with person 2 for profit or mutual business. Both parties are now bound to the agreement and any restrictions which apply to the agreement. It works both ways and if a business or person signs an NDA with an inventor claiming to represent there interests then tries to represent others with identical interests this constitutes fraud. It's fraud because it constitutes a clear conflict of interests and any conflicts must be disclosed prior to an agreement. So many of these NDA's with FE inventors are in fact unenforceable and not worth the paper there printed on.

QuoteHow much of the retail price does Amazon take? They have a dodgy reputation. If the technology is not fully publicly disclosed, i reckon Amazon could rush out several patents and then Mike could find himself locked out of his own work, along with all of us.

Actually no and copyright protection is a very powerful tool because the entire entertainment industry will always enforce it. Thus nobody can patent the idea, the literature, the art/illustrations or the concept. So even if I disclose something to the public negating a patent it can still be protected with copyright protection like music, a book or film. You can listen to and talk about a song but if you ever copy any aspect of it it's a copyright violation.

The whole notion of copyright is actually quite brilliant and may supersede patents and NDA's because it protects the conceptual idea as an art ie. known in the art exclusive to the artist. Which also bypasses all the know nothing, do nothing middlemen, lol.

Regards
Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: Paul-R on 2020.10.20, 10:45:52
Quote from: Allcanadian on 2020.10.19, 15:34:58
Paul-R
An NDA is a mutual agreement, for example person 1 agrees to share there intellectual property with person 2 for profit or mutual business. Both parties are now bound to the agreement and any restrictions which apply to the agreement. It works both ways and if a business or person signs an NDA with an inventor claiming to represent there interests then tries to represent others with identical interests this constitutes fraud. It's fraud because it constitutes a clear conflict of interests and any conflicts must be disclosed prior to an agreement. So many of these NDA's with FE inventors are in fact unenforceable and not worth the paper there printed on.

Actually no and copyright protection is a very powerful tool because the entire entertainment industry will always enforce it. Thus nobody can patent the idea, the literature, the art/illustrations or the concept. So even if I disclose something to the public negating a patent it can still be protected with copyright protection like music, a book or film. You can listen to and talk about a song but if you ever copy any aspect of it it's a copyright violation.

The whole notion of copyright is actually quite brilliant and may supersede patents and NDA's because it protects the conceptual idea as an art ie. known in the art exclusive to the artist. Which also bypasses all the know nothing, do nothing middlemen, lol.

Regards

It can be a VERY expensive legal minefield. A partner with deep pockets (and possibly looking for a knighthood) would be useful.
Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: Allcanadian on 2020.10.20, 16:36:59
One option relates to a quote by Einstein..."The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources"

Now imagine instead of reinventing the wheel we simply built on the prior art of an existing but expired patent such as the tpu. To basically everyone else it is new or novel because nobody has any idea how all this works and no patents are required. This revolves around the fact that most of the patents I see such as Kapanadze are unenforceable because the disclosure in them is a joke. They never disclose anything of real value and are little more than useless paperwork. I could simply change the geometry, add some more coils, make up some nonsensical process and wala I have a novel patent.

The trick is as Einstein implied, if nobody has a clue how any of this works then how would they know where any prior art came from?. For example, I had a conversation in which I implied... "the fact remains that I can do anything I want and you would never know the difference because you don't have any facts. I can copy anything, change anything and feed you any line I want because you don't know anything". So if anyone wanted to challenge any device they would first have to prove how it works in which case there is decades of prior art which negates any patents on this technology.

So the legalities of this are pretty straightforward in my opinion. If anything was challenged I would simply claim it's existing technology and based on expired prior art. I would roll into the court room, disclose the prior art, explain the fact that nobody can patent the technology thus it cannot be infringed upon and say see you later. If I never claimed it was my technology specifically and hid my sources what are they going to do... nothing.

Hence the reason why Albert Einstein was a true genius and actually thought about things from a philosophical conceptual perspective. New is relative and relies on the ignorance of the beholder, to the person that knows little or nothing everything is new.

I think Mike has thought all this through and I like where he's going... well done.

Regards
Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: PhysicsProf on 2020.10.21, 02:16:40
Quote from: Allcanadian on 2020.10.20, 16:36:59
One option relates to a quote by Einstein..."The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources"

Now imagine instead of reinventing the wheel we simply built on the prior art of an existing but expired patent such as the tpu. To basically everyone else it is new or novel because nobody has any idea how all this works and no patents are required. This revolves around the fact that most of the patents I see such as Kapanadze are unenforceable because the disclosure in them is a joke. They never disclose anything of real value and are little more than useless paperwork. I could simply change the geometry, add some more coils, make up some nonsensical process and wala I have a novel patent.

The trick is as Einstein implied, if nobody has a clue how any of this works then how would they know where any prior art came from?. For example, I had a conversation in which I implied... "the fact remains that I can do anything I want and you would never know the difference because you don't have any facts. I can copy anything, change anything and feed you any line I want because you don't know anything". So if anyone wanted to challenge any device they would first have to prove how it works in which case there is decades of prior art which negates any patents on this technology.

So the legalities of this are pretty straightforward in my opinion. If anything was challenged I would simply claim it's existing technology and based on expired prior art. I would roll into the court room, disclose the prior art, explain the fact that nobody can patent the technology thus it cannot be infringed upon and say see you later. If I never claimed it was my technology specifically and hid my sources what are they going to do... nothing.

Hence the reason why Albert Einstein was a true genius and actually thought about things from a philosophical conceptual perspective. New is relative and relies on the ignorance of the beholder, to the person that knows little or nothing everything is new.

I think Mike has thought all this through and I like where he's going... well done.

Regards

Clever!   O0

Can the "engineer of today" still Copyright "his" device, even though it is "based on prior art"?
Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: Allcanadian on 2020.10.21, 18:47:18
physicsprof
QuoteCan the "engineer of today" still Copyright "his" device, even though it is "based on prior art"?

In some sense everything we do and think is original to us and the moment we disclose it there is some copyright protection so long as we have proof.

Think of it this way, I didn't invent paint, brushes, canvas or painting however whenever I paint something it is original with respect to me. For example, I could paint my rendition of another work of art and copyright it so long as I don't have the intent to copy it outright... wink, wink.

So yes, we can copyright any number of different and original variations on any technology based on any prior art we want. If we incorporated more than one source of prior art the more original it becomes. We have unlimited options in this respect.

Regards

Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: Centraflow on 2020.10.31, 12:42:10
Just so as this thread does not disappear into the noise I thought I would pick some minds. Why do we have to make our OU circuits resonate????? Is it really needed!!!! When you tune a receiver into a radio station do you need to resonate your radios circuit or only tune it to the frequency you want to receive!! How can you tune into frequencies which are below an audible frequency such as the Schumann elf frequency of 7.83Hz.

Regards

Mike  8)
Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: Paul-R on 2020.10.31, 14:16:16
Quote from: Centraflow on 2020.10.31, 12:42:10
Why do we have to make our OU circuits resonate????? Is it really needed!!!!

Surely, it is to reduce losses and increase the efficiency. try giving a child a push on a swing other than at the correct moment, which places your driving action in resonance with the child's motion.
Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: Allcanadian on 2020.10.31, 16:22:22
Centraflow
QuoteWhy do we have to make our OU circuits resonate????? Is it really needed!!!!

I take it your making progress?, no the circuits do not need to resonate.

What many have yet to figure out is that the process which produces a gain in energy is an exact sequence of events which needs to occur. So when they speak of resonance it really means how many gain cycles occur within a given time frame. For example, if each cycle produces x gain in energy then more cycles per second produces more power and energy per unit of time.

QuoteWhen you tune a receiver into a radio station do you need to resonate your radios circuit or only tune it to the frequency you want to receive!! How can you tune into frequencies which are below an audible frequency such as the Schumann elf frequency of 7.83Hz.

It depends on what we want to do and normally we synchronize with the radio carrier wave then demodulate the wave to receive the information contained in the modulation. However if we want to receive the energy in the carrier wave then no demodulation is required. As well we do not need to resonate with a given frequency if the system is designed to be self-resonant with it. This is what Moray and many others may have been doing when building very sensitive self-amplifying energy receivers. So it always comes full circle back to understanding energy and energy transformations.

Regards
Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: Centraflow on 2020.10.31, 16:31:12
Quote from: Paul-R on 2020.10.31, 14:16:16
Surely, it is to reduce losses and increase the efficiency. try giving a child a push on a swing other than at the correct moment, which places your driving action in resonance with the child's motion.

Thank you, Paul, I agree with the swing and child and that you have to push at the right time, but it will never be OU, what as you say, we have reduced losses to create better efficiency.

Theory: In a series RLC circuit at resonance, the current will be maximized, and in phase with the voltage (being the push). At frequencies lower than the resonance frequency, the capacitor tends to dominate and the voltage lags the current; at higher frequencies, the inductor tends to dominate and the voltage leads the current.

So we have our theoretical OU circuit which is in resonance, but because it is in resonance it will never produce OU, it is just a very efficient circuit C.C

Paul, you have not answered the 7.83Hz tuning question and I can tell you now it is not using LCR (7.83 is nearly DC and not even in the audible band.

Regards

Mike 8)
Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: Centraflow on 2020.10.31, 16:47:25
Oh I forgot to say, 7.83 because of taking energy from the "very wheelwork of nature", the global electric circuit.

Regards

Mike 8)
Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: Centraflow on 2020.10.31, 17:35:29
Quote from: Allcanadian on 2020.10.31, 16:22:22
Centraflow
I take it your making progress?, no the circuits do not need to resonate.

What many have yet to figure out is that the process which produces a gain in energy is an exact sequence of events which needs to occur. So when they speak of resonance it really means how many gain cycles occur within a given time frame. For example, if each cycle produces x gain in energy then more cycles per second produces more power and energy per unit of time.

It depends on what we want to do and normally we synchronize with the radio carrier wave then demodulate the wave to receive the information contained in the modulation. However if we want to receive the energy in the carrier wave then no demodulation is required. As well we do not need to resonate with a given frequency if the system is designed to be self-resonant with it. This is what Moray and many others may have been doing when building very sensitive self-amplifying energy receivers. So it always comes full circle back to understanding energy and energy transformations.

Regards

AC my progress is slow these days as most of my time is used on keeping my family alive which goes for most atm.

Sorting problems of independent drives (no SG's), the safety of overvoltage on looping (runaway) and I need to finish writing my book :)

Turning a lot of my garden into veg production for next year, though I did have plenty of salad this year but now all finished.

Regards

Mike 8)
Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: Paul-R on 2020.10.31, 21:16:08
Quote from: Centraflow on 2020.10.31, 12:42:10
When you tune a receiver into a radio station do you need to resonate your radios circuit or only tune it to the frequency you want to receive!! How can you tune into frequencies which are below an audible frequency such as the Schumann elf frequency of 7.83Hz.


I think you may be confusing the carrier wave with the music of the radio station which modulates around it. The carrier can easily be too low to hear but the receiver resonates with it and a blocking diode gives you just the actual music. i'm  not too much of an expert here. Have a look at the crystal set circuit.
Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: 3D Magnetics on 2020.10.31, 22:11:25
Quote from: Paul-R on 2020.10.31, 21:16:08
I think you may be confusing the carrier wave with the music of the radio station which modulates around it. The carrier can easily be too low to hear but the receiver resonates with it and a blocking diode gives you just the actual music. i'm  not too much of an expert here. Have a look at the crystal set circuit.

This is just rectification or de modulation of th carrier wave which had the audio superimposed .

What Mike is referring to might have similarities to ssb or usb demodulation as far as radio goes .
Only a  practical explanation with a "repeatable" experiment can assist those who are keen to verify his hard work.

Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: Centraflow on 2020.11.01, 11:24:13
Paul what 3D M has said is more or less correct.

The LC of a crystal receiver is just a tuned circuit to the same frequency as you want to receive, in other words, you match it, if there is no signal to pick up there is no power in the crystal set to make it resonate, the child is sitting on the swing and not moving!

The point was how to tune a receiver to 7.83HZ or how do we create 7.83Hz without using a direct LCR oscillator.

The thing is the global electric circuit is a type of waveguide/capacitor where the fundamental frequency is 7.83Hz, so we have to tune to that frequency so we are in phase with it.

Ah but the problem is it is a type of capacitive waveguide!!!!!!! so how do you create a waveguide which has a 7.83Hz oscillation inside it, how do you create the 7.83Hz in the first place.

Regards

Mike 8)
Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: muDped on 2020.11.01, 22:40:05
Quote from: 3D Magnetics
This is just rectification or de modulation of th carrier wave which had the audio superimposed .

Yes, in Amplitude Modulation the RF Envelope consists of the Carrier Frequency plus the Upper
and Lower Sideband Frequencies.  The Modulation Envelope when viewed on an Oscilloscope
conveys the shape of the Modulating Audio in its Composite Waveshape.

This is easily Rectified by a suitable Diode to extract the Audio Component from the RF.

The Diode Detector will also work well with Narrow Band FM such as employed in Military Communications.
Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: 3D Magnetics on 2020.11.01, 23:47:28
Quote from: Centraflow on 2020.11.01, 11:24:13
Paul what 3D M has said is more or less correct.

The LC of a crystal receiver is just a tuned circuit to the same frequency as you want to receive, in other words, you match it, if there is no signal to pick up there is no power in the crystal set to make it resonate, the child is sitting on the swing and not moving!

The point was how to tune a receiver to 7.83HZ or how do we create 7.83Hz without using a direct LCR oscillator.

The thing is the global electric circuit is a type of waveguide/capacitor where the fundamental frequency is 7.83Hz, so we have to tune to that frequency so we are in phase with it.

Ah but the problem is it is a type of capacitive waveguide!!!!!!! so how do you create a waveguide which has a 7.83Hz oscillation inside it, how do you create the 7.83Hz in the first place.

Regards

Mike 8)


This is the question that needs a practical answer.

The obvious thing would be to create 2 frequencies / resonances of higher value that somehow sink 7.83 .

Way back when the first info came from sm it was about  interaction between 2 transformers.


His Slap together demo of two frequencies also suggest this and has never been addressed ,yet it was  clearly an honest, animated portrayal at the time  when it was rightfully expected that the world would beat a path to his door.

Obviously this is a "near field" magnetic device affected and influenced by magnetism.
and who knows what else?

This reminds me of stargate "subspace" along with the hide it in plain sight , diversion etc.

It seems that no device in long history of successes  was ever replicated by another .
The only way to disprove our lab queens ,of which a few here would have experienced.

I digress ... Waveguide?   

Context is always our challenge !




Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: Centraflow on 2020.11.02, 07:37:09
Those musicians or audio mixers will know about mixing 2 frequencies which are close to one another, in radio it is called something else ;)

Regards

Mike  8)
Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: Centraflow on 2020.11.02, 07:46:27
When are two coils not a transformer! When it is a capacitor, when is a capacitor not a capacitor, when it is a wave guide!!!

Regards

Mike  8)
Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: Allcanadian on 2020.11.02, 16:58:00
Mike
QuoteWhen are two coils not a transformer! When it is a capacitor, when is a capacitor not a capacitor, when it is a wave guide!!!

There are many more iterations as well, transformer-capacitor-waveguide-?-?.

Nature has all of the answers mankind has yet to understand in my opinion. The Earth-Sun are like solenoid coils, the Earth-Ionosphere like a capacitor and a waveguide producing a 7.83 Hz oscillation equal to the circumference of the Earth. So nature has solved the riddle of how to lock onto any frequency or oscillation without an LC oscillator or antenna through evolution.

Another example is Casimir plates acting as a wave guide constraining any wave lengths within the gap producing a force on the plates. I'm not sure what more proof anyone would need to show the concept is valid. Now some creative people have used atoms thick graphene plates with a gap to produce electrical oscillations which produce practical amounts of power in watts. I suspect that very soon many people will realize what they have missed and free energy technology will become mainstream. Exciting times and we could see the next energy revolution very soon.

Regards
AC

Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: Centraflow on 2020.11.02, 17:31:20
Quote from: Centraflow on 2020.11.02, 07:37:09
Those musicians or audio mixers will know about mixing 2 frequencies which are close to one another, in radio it is called something else ;)

Regards

Mike  8)

When you tune your guitar what are you listening for? but in our case, we don't want the same note but yes to the beat note.

EG.  5000Hz and 4992.17Hz has a beat of 7.83Hz  8) but it is a little more complicated than just that ;)

Remember you can't hear 7.83Hz but you can feel it ;D

Regards

Mike 8)
Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: Paul-R on 2020.11.02, 21:26:26
Quote from: Centraflow on 2020.11.02, 07:37:09
Those musicians or audio mixers will know about mixing 2 frequencies which are close to one another, in radio it is called something else ;)


Heterodyning.
Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: 3D Magnetics on 2020.11.02, 23:01:02
Quote from: Centraflow on 2020.11.02, 17:31:20
When you tune your guitar what are you listening for? but in our case, we don't want the same note but yes to the beat note.

EG.  5000Hz and 4992.17Hz has a beat of 7.83Hz  8) but it is a little more complicated than just that ;)

Remember you can't hear 7.83Hz but you can feel it ;D

Regards

Mike 8)

A passive device after all and I suppose 2 endless ( sounds misleading I know ) coils ?

A picture and description that those in the art could replicate would be well received in whatever form you chose .
My past experience with an earlier config gave me non explainable  results but that might just be my own ignorance, of which i have in abundance .

Many here have the skills and equipment to replicate ..That said the difficulties of producing a similar result when the operation is not fully understood plagues  all of us ,even those who know that it works for their own less scientific reasons .

I for 1 would be most grateful to be able to Feel 7.83 hz

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transmission_line






Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: Centraflow on 2020.11.03, 10:59:38
Beats

Regards

Mike 8)
Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: Grumage on 2020.11.03, 11:21:56
Quote from: Centraflow on 2020.11.02, 17:31:20
When you tune your guitar what are you listening for? but in our case, we don't want the same note but yes to the beat note.

EG.  5000Hz and 4992.17Hz has a beat of 7.83Hz  8) but it is a little more complicated than just that ;)

Remember you can't hear 7.83Hz but you can feel it ;D

Regards

Mike 8)

Hi Mike.

This picture popped up on my FaceBook feed this morning.

Perhaps we could " visualise " ??

Cheers Graham.
Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: Centraflow on 2020.11.03, 11:37:06
When a coil is not only a coil

Regards

Mike 8)
Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: Centraflow on 2020.11.03, 11:39:02
Quote from: Grumage on 2020.11.03, 11:21:56
Hi Mike.

This picture popped up on my FaceBook feed this morning.

Perhaps we could " visualise " ??

Cheers Graham.

HA HA , Google listening in again ;D

Regards

Mike 8)
Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: 3D Magnetics on 2020.11.03, 22:34:10
Most Interesting !

I wonder if the aluminum wrap also functions as a "Faraday shield" for want of a conventional description.
In metal detecting coils this helps keep the "nearfield " which is of most interest above broadband noise.

Are the top and bottom bifilar coils  single winds or segmented?


Interesting for sure, Thanks for sharing !
Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: 3D Magnetics on 2020.11.05, 08:43:38
Looking at the photo , it is interesting that the circuit path looks very much like the infinity sign .

Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: Centraflow on 2020.11.05, 16:35:57
Quote from: 3D Magnetics on 2020.11.05, 08:43:38
Looking at the photo , it is interesting that the circuit path looks very much like the infinity sign .

If you look at the brown paper drawing (which is not complete) you will notice the collector! and ground! go from the inside (core) to outside (the aluminum shield top and bottom in my photo). It is the outer I believe is the capacitive collection point.

See attached photo

Regards

Mike 8)
Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: 3D Magnetics on 2020.11.06, 03:39:51
Yes Mike.. The path in the brown paper drawing seemed to make no sense ....and did not make what you have clarified as  upper and lower loops clear.

But having the collector as a continious "racetrack" for want of a better term creates unconventional possibilities.

perhaps the electronic ground (shorted loop of solder on each layer ) could be useful in some way .

Perhaps its super high current at very low voltage which manifests on the racetrack .. and the torroids are output transofmer/s ??

Thank you for your work and whatever else you feel willing to help with understanding and replication.

The paradox is that the most important tech for our future is both priceless and worthless.

The idea  of a highly efficient  ev car charger  could possibly be exploited and held by somebody (perhaps yourself )for a while.

I would love to have  this operating in a stable way on my bench in my lifetime .

My "successes" so far have been unstable and unexplainable and difficult to repeat.

Thank you for your inspiration

3DM



Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: Centraflow on 2020.11.06, 22:47:37
3DM

It's all to do with timing, the coils are connected to be "nearly" non-inductive and act as capacitor plates.

Regards

Mike 8)
Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: muDped on 2020.11.07, 04:39:12
Quote from: 3D Magnetics
My "successes" so far have been unstable and unexplainable and difficult to repeat.

Seems a very common theme.  Any thoughts on "why?"
Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: 3D Magnetics on 2020.11.07, 07:50:37
I think this should be on a different thread ...please feel free to delete forever!

There are many possible explanations

I will address 2 extremes ,neither of which i consider a done deal.


1.
I don't know exactly what I am doing and possibly lack enough  education and experience in low frequency magnetic resonance circuits that use more than 2 dimensions and are considered impossible by many well educated people.

2.
There are ghostly, god like energies that attach themselves to causes and manipulate human beings with energy from another dimension creating spiritual aspects which are exploited by both entities and human doomsday drummers.

While I am alive I prefer 1

Number 2 may/will become clearer with time  If number 1 is not resolved .
Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: Centraflow on 2020.11.16, 11:59:56
THE GAME OF THRONES

Coming soon to a place near you. :D :D :D :D :D :D :D ;D ;D

Regards

Mike 8)
Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: Allcanadian on 2020.11.16, 17:27:22
Hey Mike

It took a couple days to figure out exactly what your doing and its super interesting stuff. I was looking at the bulk action-reaction end of this like Kapanadze-Akula however you seem to have produced something similar to an infinite element reaction. I was theorizing on something similar in the past however I have never seen what your doing before. This is new to me. O0

I have to wonder how fine the field resolution could be taken given what you are doing. Interwinding capacitance comes into play however once we get past electronic oscillators into something like physical plasma based oscillations all bets are off in my opinion. What happens when we get up into the GHz with small time period/wavelengths?. I don't know...

Regards




Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: Centraflow on 2020.11.16, 17:35:43
Quote from: Allcanadian on 2020.11.16, 17:27:22
Hey Mike

It took a couple days to figure out exactly what your doing and its super interesting stuff. I was looking at the bulk action-reaction end of this like Kapanadze-Akula however you seem to have produced something similar to an infinite element reaction. I was theorizing on something similar in the past however I have never seen what your doing before. This is new to me. O0

I have to wonder how fine the field resolution could be taken given what you are doing. Interwinding capacitance comes into play however once we get past electronic oscillators into something like physical plasma based oscillations all bets are off in my opinion. What happens when we get up into the GHz or even THz regions?. I don't know...

Regards

This is a TPU, I will not say a copy or replication as we do not have detailed plans of Steven Marks TPU, but I guess it is the same "by design".

Many years of investigation.

All low frequency as you can see, but it is how you make it, all in the detail >:-)

Regards

Mike 8)
Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: Allcanadian on 2020.11.16, 22:27:31
Mike
QuoteThis is a TPU, I will not say a copy or replication as we do not have detailed plans of Steven Marks TPU, but I guess it is the same "by design".

Your probably right and I tend to jump the gun and go off on a tangent sometimes. It's just a tpu and the patents probably expired a long time ago so nobody can patent it. It probably wouldn't be of any interest to all those grifters hoping to become the next billionaire but us common folk could sure use something like that. I can see a point in the future where everyone is off grid and have all the power they need which is really cool.

Regards
AC

Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: 3D Magnetics on 2020.11.17, 01:18:26
Its like trying to resolve Pi
The result does  not resolvle unless you carry the .33333 and try again....and again .

Great stuff!

Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: Centraflow on 2020.11.19, 11:28:45
For those of interest, this is an excellent paper on the ionosphere, Earth and how the charge becomes about.

It is fairly easy reading 8)

Regards

Mike 8)
Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: Allcanadian on 2020.11.19, 20:39:23
Mike
Thanks for the file, Richard Feynman has a good lecture as well.
https://www.feynmanlectures.caltech.edu/II_09.html
Fig 9.2 is interesting...

Regards
Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: Centraflow on 2020.11.19, 23:01:54
Quote from: Allcanadian on 2020.11.19, 20:39:23
Mike
Thanks for the file, Richard Feynman has a good lecture as well.
https://www.feynmanlectures.caltech.edu/II_09.html
Fig 9.2 is interesting...

Regards

Thanks for the article

Regards

Mike 8)
Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: Centraflow on 2020.11.20, 10:41:54
Let us look at this:-

Regards

Mike 8)
Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: Centraflow on 2020.11.20, 11:32:25
Now:-

As a matter of fact, for a few scientific purposes, the direction of conventional current helps in understanding. Lightning, for example, starts at the positively charged ground that draws electrons from air molecules close by. As the positive charge travels up, the electrons from further up are drawn down until the whole column of air is ionized, conducting electrons from the negatively charged clouds to the ground.

Now maybe we can start to understand how energy could be extracted from this Global electric circuit.

Regards

Mike 8)
Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: Allcanadian on 2020.11.20, 21:53:56
Mike

I like the direction this thread is taking O0

I can see it, all the energy we need is right in front of us in the atmospheric electrical circuit and all we really need is a more practical way to transform it.

Here's a hint...
The potential gradient(120v/m) of the atmospheric electrical circuit is similar to a water pressure gradient rising in pressure with depth. The pressure is "static" with respect to the position any given volume occupies within the gradient. As such, as Tesla implied in his lectures, the work the water can do to fill a void or empty vessel is equal to the work to pump the water back out of the vessel, nothing is gained. However if the water was transformed into H2 and O2 then the gasses would naturally rise to the surface and there would be no need to pump the water out because it is no longer water. The external water would always see an empty vessel and continuously flowing inward as the gasses O2 and H2 taking a different form naturally flowed outward. I found Tesla's perspective and reasoning to be brilliant in this respect and if we want to change the action/reaction then a transformation is required.

So Tesla did give us a hint as to the kind of reasoning he was using to solve apparently impossible problems. He was using a transformation to effectively change the rules which normally apply and I believe we can too.

Regards
AC

Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: Centraflow on 2020.11.21, 16:45:41
Quote from: Allcanadian on 2020.11.20, 21:53:56
Mike

I like the direction this thread is taking O0

I can see it, all the energy we need is right in front of us in the atmospheric electrical circuit and all we really need is a more practical way to transform it.

Here's a hint...
The potential gradient(120v/m) of the atmospheric electrical circuit is similar to a water pressure gradient rising in pressure with depth. The pressure is "static" with respect to the position any given volume occupies within the gradient. As such, as Tesla implied in his lectures, the work the water can do to fill a void or empty vessel is equal to the work to pump the water back out of the vessel, nothing is gained. However if the water was transformed into H2 and O2 then the gasses would naturally rise to the surface and there would be no need to pump the water out because it is no longer water. The external water would always see an empty vessel and continuously flowing inward as the gasses O2 and H2 taking a different form naturally flowed outward. I found Tesla's perspective and reasoning to be brilliant in this respect and if we want to change the action/reaction then a transformation is required.

So Tesla did give us a hint as to the kind of reasoning he was using to solve apparently impossible problems. He was using a transformation to effectively change the rules which normally apply and I believe we can too.

Regards
AC

Here are the missing parts

Fig:1 the other I posted

Moves to Fig: 2

Which moves to Fig: 3

As the title states: THE GAME OF FREQUENCY AND DUTY CYCLE

Regards

Mike 8)
Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: Centraflow on 2020.11.22, 11:14:44
Now that was an interesting experiment!!! I place 3 drawings of different stages of an investigation, the first was downloaded more than the last!!! which one was correct? and the answer is the last one, they are parts of my investigation over a year ago, it's called for use of a phrase, "experimental progression".

So forget the first two, they were just my experimental labors, though there are some that think I'm off my head here and they know who they are :o

Number 3

Mosfet A and C are charging chokes, B is just a ground switch ;)

Next, I will talk about valves or in the USA, tubes which are not technically correct :D

Regards

Mike 8)
Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: Centraflow on 2020.11.22, 12:01:19
Here is some reading C.C C.C

Well he explains it very well

http://www.johnhearfield.com/WSA/Valve.htm

Thank's John

Regards

Mike 8)
Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: 3D Magnetics on 2020.11.23, 12:58:34
I have a somewhat long distance  view from where i am but looks just like what the doctor ordered.

I look foward to getting home

Thanks Mike .
Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: Centraflow on 2020.11.23, 13:31:32
Quote from: 3D Magnetics on 2020.11.23, 12:58:34
I have a somewhat long distance  view from where i am but looks just like what the doctor ordered.

I look foward to getting home

Thanks Mike .

Hope all went well   O0

Best regards

Mike 8)
Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: 3D Magnetics on 2020.11.23, 19:41:41
it would be funny if it were just the 3 numbers and a trick of maths all allong
looking 4ward to resolving this  from other than an icu bed

Op went ok
Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: muDped on 2020.11.26, 01:48:31
The amount of Energy which is available in the Upper Atmosphere is staggering.

Scientists detect 'superbolt' lightning strikes that hit with more power than entire US solar, wind energy capacity (https://www.rt.com/news/507652-superbolts-ultrabright-lightning-detected/)

Quote from: the Article
The most powerful strikes detected emitted a whopping 350 gigawatts of power while the superbolts
were found to be generated during rare positively charged cloud-to-ground events, as opposed to
the far more common negatively charged cloud-to-ground events which make up the vast majority of
lightning strikes.

Understanding these immensely powerful events is crucial to improving our understanding of our
planet's atmosphere. There are also several projects exploring the possibility of harnessing the power
of lightning for use by humanity, but wielding superbolts with current technology is still a remote possibility.

One superbolt flash near South Africa in 1979 was initially thought to be a nuclear bomb detonating.
Another that struck Newfoundland in 1978 left a one-mile scar of damage, including split trees, distorted
television antennae, destroyed electrical transformers and even craters in its wake.
Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: Centraflow on 2020.11.28, 19:07:39
Quote from: muDped on 2020.11.26, 01:48:31
The amount of Energy which is available in the Upper Atmosphere is staggering.

Scientists detect 'superbolt' lightning strikes that hit with more power than entire US solar, wind energy capacity (https://www.rt.com/news/507652-superbolts-ultrabright-lightning-detected/)

Harness that wheelwork of nature is doable, but there are few that knew or know, and it's not how you might think.

Regards

Mike 8)
Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: muDped on 2020.11.28, 22:12:20
Quote from: Centraflow
Harness that wheelwork of nature is doable, but there are few that knew or know, and it's not how you might think.

Aye, it has been given a lot of thought by a segment of the Scientific Community.

One possible method that was bantied about in the 70s and 80s was the construction
of some sort of high altitude "collectors" in the regions of the Equator to tap into the
Energy.  For some reason it was thought the the Energy was more concentrated at
the Equator.

Tapping into a Superbolt could certainly initiate a small disaster.

There was a researcher for the Weather Service located in Florida until a decade or so
ago.  He would fire rockets with trailing wires into the clouds during storms to trigger
lightning strikes.  Once his Equipment monitoring Atmospheric Electrical Activity indicated
that Charge was in the vicinity, each rocket he fired into the clouds did cause a strike
which vaporized the wire.

Looking back a couple of centuries, Ben Franklin with his Wired Kite was lucky indeed that
he wasn't struck.
Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: Allcanadian on 2020.12.01, 04:37:14
Mike
QuoteThe amount of Energy which is available in the Upper Atmosphere is staggering.

Scientists detect 'superbolt' lightning strikes that hit with more power than entire US solar, wind energy capacity

Harness that wheelwork of nature is doable, but there are few that knew or know, and it's not how you might think.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/6/flash-facts-about-lightning/

This is a pretty interesting article on lightning.

Regards
AC
Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: Centraflow on 2020.12.02, 11:44:29
Quote from: Allcanadian on 2020.12.01, 04:37:14
Mike
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/6/flash-facts-about-lightning/

This is a pretty interesting article on lightning.

Regards
AC

It is organized chaos like sunspot cycles, every 10 years it is repeated, in between it is chaotic

Regards

Mike 8)
Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: Allcanadian on 2021.01.12, 17:32:10
Mike
QuoteHere is some reading
Well he explains it very well
http://www.johnhearfield.com/WSA/Valve.htm

I like these old articles because they had a way of explaining things in simple terms like Faraday, Ampere, Tesla and Moray's lectures. No fancy terms, no endless equations or quantum theory just a common sense explanation most can understand. When I read most modern electronics articles which tend to overcomplicate and confuse thing my mind turns off. However when I read an article like this my mind starts racing with new idea's.

Imagine what it would be like to be inside a tube the size of a house standing on the anode plate looking up at the filament and grid. What would we see, what would we feel, what experiments could we do to prove the nature of the environment were immersed in?. In fact we are immersed in a similar environment as we speak, we just don't realize it. That's a pretty interesting thought...

In some sense we could say the universe full of stars is like the filament in a vacuum, our atmosphere the grid and we are standing on the anode. Which begs the question... where is all the energy and how is it being transformed?.

Below is an interesting take on the vacuum tube from ancient Egypt. Note that inside the tube are tiny men holding a flail which may have been used as a crude foil electrometer to detect electric fields. I built and tested a flail/foil electrometer and in fact it does work very well. Can anyone tell me what's in the jars the the two people seem to be pouring over the tube casing?. Don't overcomplicate it, it's simple...

Thanks for the article.



Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: muDped on 2021.01.24, 22:45:41
A rare Blue Jet lightning stroke captured by the International Space Station. (https://sputniknews.com/science/202101241081866495-elusive-blue-jet-lightning-spotted-from-orbiting-iss/)
Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: Centraflow on 2021.02.11, 10:59:03
MHD

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetohydrodynamics

This is how the energy is extracted from the Global Electric Circuit.

Regards

Mike 8)
Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: Centraflow on 2021.04.10, 08:18:32
I thought I would place this here, it is in Spanish but you can right-click on your mouse and press translate to English for those that do not read or speak Spanish.

https://www.xataka.com/energia/nuestra-mejor-teoria-universo-se-tambalea-fermilab-encuentra-fuertes-evidencias-que-hay-algo-alla-actuales-leyes-fisica

Regards

Mike 8)
Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: conradelektro on 2021.04.10, 09:58:35
I really like people like Centraflow, who want to talk about things they can or do not want to disclose.

What sense does it make to waffle in mysterious ways about something one does not want to tell. Keep it secret, that is fine, but what shall I do with your cryptic hints? Shall I admire you? Shall I look forward to buy something I do not know? Is this a marketing attempt?

Whatever Centraflow wants here, it does not make sense.

Have fun!

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: Centraflow on 2021.04.10, 15:36:42
Quote from: conradelektro on 2021.04.10, 09:58:35
I really like people like Centraflow, who want to talk about things they can or do not want to disclose.

What sense does it make to waffle in mysterious ways about something one does not want to tell. Keep it secret, that is fine, but what shall I do with your cryptic hints? Shall I admire you? Shall I look forward to buy something I do not know? Is this a marketing attempt?

Whatever Centraflow wants here, it does not make sense.

Have fun!

Greetings, Conrad

I really like your post, it shows what a "sleeper" you are.

This is a forum for overunity research, so far you have not shown any research by you here for over 2 years, or any attempt to, I think that goes for other forums as well like OU.com.

I am and always have been a researcher and inventor, and try to put forward other avenues to be researched especially in this topic, that is why it was started.

I work with many people "off and on" this and other forums which aren't in the public eye because of interference, and the possibility of someone getting injured by meddling with something they don't know anything about, that is called responsibility.

By the name you use I take it you are German, Conrad Electric a German national electronics distribution firm! am I correct or am I not, it does not matter.

Auf Wiedersehen

Regards

Mike 8)
Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: Allcanadian on 2021.04.12, 20:29:01
Mike
QuoteI am and always have been a researcher and inventor, and try to put forward other avenues to be researched especially in this topic, that is why it was started.
I work with many people "off and on" this and other forums which aren't in the public eye because of interference, and the possibility of someone getting injured by meddling with something they don't know anything about, that is called responsibility.

I would agree, I would also note the people most critical of real inventors not sharing more also tend to be the people running to the patent office trying to steal and then take credit for all the real inventors hard work. In any case I think most people are smart enough to see through this kind of manipulation and appreciate real inventors sharing what they do.

It's easy to spot the real inventors... there the one's offering something of real value instead of hollow rhetoric of no value.

For example...
I was looking at the field mill again, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field_mill, as an alternative to my capacitive plate electrometers for atmospheric measurements. However what most people tend to overlook is the fact that any ungrounded objects tends to acquire a charge over time equal to whatever elevation/charge density they are immersed in. A field mill simply measures the potential at any given elevation and how fast the potential evolves.

Thus we have concrete proof that...
1)the Potential Gradient does if fact exist.
2)The PG is always changing.
3)We can harness the PG to do work relative to the ground plane.

Not unlike Tesla's patent US685957A, "Apparatus for the utilization of radiant energy". To be honest I feel a little silly that after looking at this patent literally hundreds of times over the years it finally dawned on me exactly what he was trying to accomplish. The process is not so much about free energy but more so a process to extract latent energy from any gradient of force.

This is also a pretty neat website and excellent resource, http://amasci.com/tesla/tesray1.html, Hidden in Plain Sight: Nikola Tesla's "Radiant Energy" Devices.

Regards
AC




Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: muDped on 2021.05.05, 05:56:43
Nikola Tesla's Free Electricity Electronic Circuit (https://scholars.direct/Articles/electronics-and-communication/jec-1-001.php?jid=electronics-and-communication)

Quote from: the Article
One of the Nikola Tesla's attempt to provide everyone in the world with free energy was his
World Power System, a method of broadcasting electrical energy without wires, through the
ground that was never finished, but his dream of providing energy to all points on the globe
is still alive today [1].

Tesla's intent was to condense the energy trapped between the earth and its upper atmosphere
and to transform it into an electric current. He pictured the sun as an immense ball of electricity,
positively charged with a potential of some two hundred billion volts. On the other hand, earth is
charged with negative electricity. The tremendous electrical force between these two bodies
constituted, at least in part, what he called cosmic energy. It varied from day to night and from
season to season but it is always present [2].

In 1931 Tesla announced in The Brooklyn Eagle that "I have harnessed the cosmic rays and caused
them to operate a motive device. More than 25-years-ago I began my efforts to harness the cosmic
rays and I have succeeded. Electric power is everywhere present, in unlimited qualities. This new
power for the driving of the world's machinery will be derived from the energy which operates in the
universe, without the need for coal, gas, oil, or any other fuel".
Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: Centraflow on 2021.05.05, 11:47:39
Quote from: muDped on 2021.05.05, 05:56:43
Nikola Tesla's Free Electricity Electronic Circuit (https://scholars.direct/Articles/electronics-and-communication/jec-1-001.php?jid=electronics-and-communication)

Yes the question has always been how to connect so as to extract an amount of that energy so as it is useful, Steven Marks found the way, or someone he found that knew, it is the ion connection and not just the frequency, 7.83Hz is very very slow. Strip electrons at a higher frequency to create a plasma, and move the plasma at the low frequency to add atmospheric energy which is also a plasma.

This is reabsorbed magnetically through induction into solenoid coils as in the TPU.

regards

Mike 8)
Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: MasterBlaster on 2021.07.10, 20:13:01
I have been following this topic for a long time. My resources are limited and am looking for a budget solution!

I have a few patents that may interest you:

GENERATING ELECTRICITY FROM THE Earth https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/b6/a3/21/9587c2f8e180cb/US9712036.pdf (https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/b6/a3/21/9587c2f8e180cb/US9712036.pdf)

HARMONIC ENERGY EXCHANGE DEVICE  https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/aa/2a/e5/44a49d06404e0a/US20080191580A1.pdf
(https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/aa/2a/e5/44a49d06404e0a/US20080191580A1.pdf)

PYRAMID ELECTRIC GENERATOR  (attached)

Your thoughts would be appriciated.

Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: Centraflow on 2021.07.11, 15:39:57
Quote from: MasterBlaster on 2021.07.10, 20:13:01
I have been following this topic for a long time. My resources are limited and am looking for a budget solution!

I have a few patents that may interest you:

GENERATING ELECTRICITY FROM THE Earth https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/b6/a3/21/9587c2f8e180cb/US9712036.pdf (https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/b6/a3/21/9587c2f8e180cb/US9712036.pdf)

HARMONIC ENERGY EXCHANGE DEVICE  https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/aa/2a/e5/44a49d06404e0a/US20080191580A1.pdf
(https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/aa/2a/e5/44a49d06404e0a/US20080191580A1.pdf)

PYRAMID ELECTRIC GENERATOR  (attached)

Your thoughts would be appriciated.

Well patent applications apart, the format to extract energy from our atmosphere is similar to tuning a radio into the station you want to hear, except in the atmosphere the energy is a type of cold plasma or a static charge similar to the charge within a capacitor.

Tuning into this charge is the task that needs to be accomplished, but not in an electro magnetic way such as radio waves, but as in a cold plasma, the active medium within the atmosphere.

The phrase "electrified gas" is commonly used to describe a plasma state. What makes a plasma is that electrons are knocked out of orbit of an atom and the atom becomes charged, i.e., it becomes an "ion." The process of creating the charged atom from a ground state atom is called "ionization." Ordinarily, the number of protons, positively charged particles, and electrons, negatively charged particles, are equal in an atom and its charge is neutral. Such a balanced charged atom or molecule is called a "neutral" atom/molecule. When one or more electrons are removed by ionization then the charge balance is no longer neutral. In the case of a positive ion the charges of the number protons are greater than the number of electrons resulting in a net positive charge.

Because an ion is electrically unbalanced, it wants to quickly find another electron to return to a neutral state. A lightning flash illustrates the transient nature of this process. The ionized air molecules that constitute the flash quickly restore the charge imbalance and hence the lightning flash goes away quickly. Because plasmas are so unstable, maintaining a plasma, so that it becomes a useful tool, is quite difficult, especially at atmospheric pressure.  Atmospheric plasma is a plasma produced at one atmosphere of pressure—in other words the same pressure as the atmosphere we live in every day.

I know the way to do this thanks to Steven Mark, and my investigations into his TPU  (by the way it is only shaped as a toroid). My problem atm is one of stability and is proving a real bitch to sort out, but I'm close.

The SM root I think is the best, though the Dally, Shark, Rusland is similar in operation, it seems messy to me. Cost!! well both use lots of wire, though I think the electronics of the TPU are more straight forward and are down to a 1st and 2nd  harmonic and duty cycle relation.

What ever, you need a good oscilloscope fore tuning the electronics.

Regards

Mike 8)
Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: conradelektro on 2021.07.12, 15:32:56
Quote from: MasterBlaster on 2021.07.10, 20:13:01
I have a few patents that may interest you:

PYRAMID ELECTRIC GENERATOR  (attached)

Your thoughts would be appriciated.

I like the PYRAMID ELECTRIC GENERATOR . Since you invented it back in 2008, you might have built at least one working PYRAMID ELECTRIC GENERATOR. How much continuous output could you get? Does it light lamps, run an electric motor or charge a battery?

If the PYRAMID ELECTRIC GENERATOR  really works, you should be able to sell some?

You could make a video of a working pyramid generator with your cell phone and post it on YouTube?

Greatings, Conrad
Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: MasterBlaster on 2021.07.12, 22:30:53
Quote from: conradelektro on 2021.07.12, 15:32:56

If the PYRAMID ELECTRIC GENERATOR  really works, you should be able to sell some?


Hello Conrad, I did not say that is my patent/product.

I posted the patents as I thought they may contain worth while concepts.

In my view we will never see a commercial OU device on the market.
Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: Centraflow on 2021.07.13, 16:44:56
Quote from: MasterBlaster on 2021.07.12, 22:30:53
Hello Conrad, I did not say that is my patent/product.

I posted the patents as I thought they may contain worth while concepts.

In my view we will never see a commercial OU device on the market.

The Helion fusion reactor is as close as you can get atm, it uses helium from water as the fuel and maintains itself, been running for over a year continuously. 16 months.

Microsoft could be behind this!!!!

Regards

Mike 8)

Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: Centraflow on 2021.07.15, 15:59:34
Here is something else you should read.

This applies to COLD plasmas, not only HOT plasmas.

https://phys.org/news/2021-07-discovery-plasma-insights-fusion-science.html

Regards

Mike 8)
Title: Re: Global atmospheric electrical circuit
Post by: Sm0ky2 on 2021.07.18, 21:12:17
It is true that this electrical gradient and subsequent current can be attained, as such was performed for electrical production from 1750 until 1831 when faraday invented the dynamo.
It is estimated that a tower on top of Mt. McKinley and a grounding wire at the base drilled to sea level (as sea level was in the early 19th century) would produce roughly 1 million Volts at 1 million Amps
Providing roughly 1 x 10 ^ 12 Watts of continuous electricity.

The problem lies in 2 areas: material physics to produce something capable of withstanding this amount of power,
and the conversion of this (ionic) electricity into the (magnetically polarized) electricity we use today.
They are 2 different types of electricity, as evident by the 'static' aspects still being present after converting to low voltage/high current.

The best modern approaches use areal collectors to drive ionic motors (static electric motors) which in turn drive magnetic generators producing the desired electricity we use.
With enough of them, usable renewable energy production could be developed at a relatively low cost.