An argument for perpetual motion.
Perpetual- Lasting forever; never-ending, continuing or being so for an indefinitely long time.
Motion- The act or process of changing position or place.
Machine- A physical system of fixed and moving parts that performs a task.
The atom has fixed (Proton) and moving (Electron) parts.
An atom is in perpetual motion and it's parts cannot be created/destroyed or stop moving.
The atom also performs the task of being the building block of all physical things in the known universe.
By definition and for all intensive purposes the atom qualifies as a perpetual motion machine.
The problem seems to be that many choose to view things on a superficial level in a subjective manner.
They build a nano-machine made of a few atoms which performs a task and think it's the holy grail.
Where nature has been building machines from atoms into larger and more complex machines for billions of years.
It also helps to understand logic and reasoning to help spot obvious contradictions.
1)The conservation of Energy demands energy cannot be created/destroyed.
2)The conservation of Mass demands the atoms Proton/Electron cannot be created/destroyed.
If the energy and mass of the atom cannot be created/destroyed then it is by definition perpetual.
What do people think "cannot be created/destroyed" and "perpetual" mean?.
Which is where things get a little weird because anyone claiming "perpetual motion" is not real
obviously doesn't understand the conservation of energy and mass.
You might also note that these tiny perpetual motion machines exist within a vast open space even when our perception is of a solid, such as a ferromagnetic core. That space is recognised when computing the load line of a permanent magnet, you have to use "the air space occupied by the magnet" in that calculation. Few people realise the significance of that because they are not skilled in analysing in the magnetic domain where flux behaves like current and mmf like voltage. Then it becomes clear because the load line calculation is actually using the reluctance of that geometric air space. Even in magnetically soft material that air space plays its part, and in particular the magnetic energy stored there that is considerably greater than the electrical energy supplied to charge the inductor. There we have OU created by Nature, and it doesn't take much effort to deduce that the extra energy comes from the atomic dipoles responsible for the ferromagnetic properties. Once you accept that these dipoles are acting like tiny generators supplying energy to that air space, it is only a matter of time before man finally finds out how to get them to supply energy to an outside circuit.
Smudge
Quote from: Allcanadian on 2023.07.08, 16:48:06
An argument for perpetual motion.
Perpetual- Lasting forever; never-ending, continuing or being so for an indefinitely long time.
Motion- The act or process of changing position or place.
Machine- A physical system of fixed and moving parts that performs a task.
The atom has fixed (Proton) and moving (Electron) parts.
An atom is in perpetual motion and it's parts cannot be created/destroyed or stop moving.
The atom also performs the task of being the building block of all physical things in the known universe.
By definition and for all intensive purposes the atom qualifies as a perpetual motion machine.
The problem seems to be that many choose to view things on a superficial level in a subjective manner.
They build a nano-machine made of a few atoms which performs a task and think it's the holy grail.
Where nature has been building machines from atoms into larger and more complex machines for billions of years.
It also helps to understand logic and reasoning to help spot obvious contradictions.
1)The conservation of Energy demands energy cannot be created/destroyed.
2)The conservation of Mass demands the atoms Proton/Electron cannot be created/destroyed.
If the energy and mass of the atom cannot be created/destroyed then it is by definition perpetual.
What do people think "cannot be created/destroyed" and "perpetual" mean?.
Which is where things get a little weird because anyone claiming "perpetual motion" is not real
obviously doesn't understand the conservation of energy and mass.
When you say conservation of Mass cannot be created or destroyed are you taking into account any matter or just the matter that is not alive ? Obvious I'm not talking about human being, let's say plants or microorganisms, they do have a Mass as well
Quote from: Smudge on 2023.07.08, 18:50:17
You might also note that these tiny perpetual motion machines exist within a vast open space even when our perception is of a solid, such as a ferromagnetic core. That space is recognised when computing the load line of a permanent magnet, you have to use "the air space occupied by the magnet" in that calculation. Few people realise the significance of that because they are not skilled in analysing in the magnetic domain where flux behaves like current and mmf like voltage. Then it becomes clear because the load line calculation is actually using the reluctance of that geometric air space. Even in magnetically soft material that air space plays its part, and in particular the magnetic energy stored there that is considerably greater than the electrical energy supplied to charge the inductor. There we have OU created by Nature, and it doesn't take much effort to deduce that the extra energy comes from the atomic dipoles responsible for the ferromagnetic properties. Once you accept that these dipoles are acting like tiny generators supplying energy to that air space, it is only a matter of time before man finally finds out how to get them to supply energy to an outside circuit.
Smudge
That's uncanny and I was working on the "ferromagnetic problem" this afternoon.
I think you nailed it and it seems few people are doing real experiments/analysis and relying more on the status quo ie. simulations. For example, suppose we had two identical solenoid form coil/cores L1 and L2 a small distance apart. What is the total electrical input energy versus the total change in magnetic field density/energy of both cores?. To my knowledge nobody has measured the actual combined field density/energy only used the output on L2 as an approximation of the induced energy. Ergo, there generalizing/averaging.
Many years ago I realized how generalized and deficient many of the experiments/concepts we based our science on are. I had all these very specific questions not found anywhere in the literature to my knowledge. For example, in all our magnetic field based devices(motor/generator/transformer) what is the actual magnetic field density at a given point measured with a non-inductive hall effect sensor versus a inductive sensor like a tickler/sensor coil?. As it turns out we get different values because the process of induction on the conductor influences the measurement. It's not even that difficult, if our measurements are accurate we should expect to see a similar value/time curve on our DSO but we don't.
Which begs the question, exactly when where why and how the discrepancy occurs?.
From my studies in psychology there may be a simple answer. For example, ChatGPT like many people does really well at repeating conventional wisdom. However it cannot know what it doesn't know, understand or deduce through creativity, logic and reason. An AI cannot think or reason and in effect it only regurgitates information in a format it was programmed to which a majority find pleasing. If we have a small knowledge base an AI amazing if we have a large knowledge base it sounds like a marginally intelligent toaster oven.
Excellent post...
AC
https://archive.org/details/energy-from-the-vacuum/Energy+From+The+Vacuum/Energy+From+The+Vacuum+05+-+Hidden+Electrodynamics+-+Tom+Bearden+John+Bedini.mp4 (https://archive.org/details/energy-from-the-vacuum/Energy+From+The+Vacuum/Energy+From+The+Vacuum+05+-+Hidden+Electrodynamics+-+Tom+Bearden+John+Bedini.mp4)
As Viktor said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nZYlyFGm50 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nZYlyFGm50)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNR48hUd-Hw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNR48hUd-Hw)
It's definitely an issue regarding perspective, or the lack thereof IMO
People are often shunned for even initiating a conversation about this topic
Damning, all by itself
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Excelsior
Taken from my response at OU.com here, https://overunity.com/19511/the-argument-for-pepetual-motion/msg579981/#new
This is the real problem... from ChatGPT
QuoteQuestion:if the universe expands and contracts in cycles is this not perpetual?.
Answer:if the universe were to expand and contract in a cyclical manner, with successive periods of expansion and contraction, it would not necessarily be considered perpetual motion. Perpetual motion, refers to a machine or system that can operate indefinitely without the need for external energy input.
As we can see someone has hijacked the term "perpetual motion" to mean a perpetual energy machine instead of continuous motion. Even more absurd is that they tied the fake definition of perpetual motion to an external energy input. Apparently they don't understand how the English language works. Perpetual means continuing or being so for an indefinitely long time. Ergo, I must reject there nonsensical definition as being false and misleading.
In effect, the conservation of energy demands that if anything loses energy something else must gain energy. Energy cannot be created or destroyed only transformed ie. converted into other forms. There can be no more or less energy which relates to the change/motion of something be it particles, fields, waves or anything else. If nothing can be created/destroyed then it must be perpetual.
Quoteit's definitely an issue regarding perspective, or the lack thereof IMO
People are often shunned for even initiating a conversation about this topic
Damning, all by itself
Indeed, most understand why the term "perpetual" is taboo and creates tension and it has nothing to do with science.
My view is that the conservation of matter and energy demand a perpetual universe. I don't know why this is true nor do I have any reasonable explanations for it. Like much of science we have countless unknowns which is natural. What I do know is pretending we understand when we don't is not the way forward. So we do the best we can with what we have to work with in the present.
My chat with the ChatGPT AI was interesting and telling. It seems to understand perpetual means constant/unending and that the universe is in constant motion relating to matter and energy ie. laws of conservation. However it gets hung up in a circular reasoning loop relating to the false definition of perpetual motion. It makes sense because the AI is trained with human responses and most people make the same mistakes. They rely on contradictory popular responses instead of first principals. It's strange and it can't seem to connect the dots between the terms perpetual and constant or continuous.
AC
One only needs to search "perpetual motion machine" into Youtube to be left utterly cringing at the ridiculousness of some of the results..
To me it seems as if someone pays certain influential people to do what they do (and not YT) so any uninitiated, enquiring mind who dares to see what YT has to show them will be immediately put off and then share the sentiment of "it's a joke" when the truth could not be further from it ..
Take this for example: https://youtu.be/wnJpMX-GXcg (https://youtu.be/wnJpMX-GXcg)
It's a great example of what I am talking about .. How else could you f*ck it up that badly?? (being a technician of sorts already - 3 of them, too! ;D)
Meanwhile serious and comprehensive resources can also be found many places such as here, and many other sites, where people have gone out of their way to show something undeniable which IMO is nothing short of admirable.
But you have to seek them out, which most folks won't.
(This research applies to everyone as I see it..)
I hate how sure some people are that nothing sinister is at play when it blatantly is !
If you believe what Gerard Morin said, most power companies are already using FE technologies, unbeknownst to the sheeple ..
Go listen to his stuff on YT from 6 years ago!
The existing terminologies around FE are beyond confusing ime,
What we all surely want is a device, of whatever form, provided it's safe and affordable,
which taps into and transduces an unending source of external energy flow,
thus powering itself and providing surplus in the form of btus/charge/Hydrogen production/etcetra
Some work has been done on using TEG cells alongside PV cells which uses a push-pull sort of effect where the panels cool down at night and generate a delta which achieves 50w/m2 throughout the night - which is really cool IMO - will be giving it a go myself soon.
This could be seen as a workaround to the limitations of PV
but other than that the only unending resource people ever have access to is windmills & hydroelectric dams,
both of which operate by way of gravity,
Hence the Skinner build thread O0
Don't let the psyops get ya O0
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Quote from: stivep on 2023.07.10, 14:04:35
Official physics has nothing against Free Energy if you see it as Energy for free.
That is not complicated nor unknown.
Most of limitations comes from your the experimenter location , regulations in that particular area and initial investment
needed to get that energy for free by means of energy conversion.
Introduced by me Extraction of energy from Schuman waveguide (the earth ionosphere) was based on the
two natural waveguides, that are sharing very same boundary - the Earth .
- where EM energy from lightning in Earth Ionosphere waveguide hits Earth Air 2D( two-dimensional) flat waveguide ( called INTERFACE)
randomly at Complex Brewster Angle trapping it in TM mode .( transverse-magnetic) .( inverse square law doesn't apply to waveguides)
As this energy is dynamically present there - than every single lightning may contribute energy to the very same 2D INTERFACE.
As this energy is dynamically present there - it can be sensed only in the presence of a pulling it receiver Rx acting as a load in resonance at that
VLF( very low Frequency)
Till Tesla and Marconi existence of EM wave was unknown
Till now humanity didn't think that introduction of pulling energy receiver Rx acting as a load in resonance at the right VLF
can make Energy for Free available
In the simple words: if you are (the source of energy) walking on the street (-INTERFACE) and I put the load of e.g 50kg(W) on you - till than you have no idea that such load exists.
and now you need to give this energy to this load... and I have your energy FOR FREE.= FE
Kapanadze whom I visited in 2011 in Tbilisi had no idea why his device works.
He definitely used A to B energy transfer and likely explained (in above text) Energy Extraction too.
he was no brain nor inventor but just lucky .. like lotto winners to meet these very stressed old Russian scientists in very first years of 1990ties (starting from 1989)
who had not much more to lose in Georgia EU during collapse of Soviet Union. ( look at: Georgia 1989-1992 Civil War)
These guys vanished with no known to me trace shortly after that.
Wesley
I'm not so sure about all that as being the sole sauce of input on the like
there are plenty of TV documentaries explaining so called BS truth America comes out with!
for a start you have the Yanks make this Rosenberg H atom bomb blasting Hiroshima Japan
and notice the thing produces this huge magnetic pulse that can induce and destroy
electronic equipment by inducing a huge pulse along the pillion wiring system and burning
out transformers isn't that your start of FE know how ?
All you have to do is apply
Fleming's right hand rule or is it the left hand rule and if that's the case unless
this phenomena is put to use instead of greed and wiping out the planet there would
be less risk of eastern block country's wiping out American national grid and its millions
of German made pole transformers it's scared of losing in the next sun's thermal plasma ejections.
So whats the point of American scientists having all this know how if they don't use it or are hiding it
and stopping others from putting it to good use. Other than destroying it's population when the
National grid totally collapses?
Namely the two main components of electricity voltage and magnetism.
Sil
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Quote from: stivep on 2023.07.11, 17:45:03
We left perpetual motion behind as a nonsense in opinion of entire world science not only American.
...so long as you disregard atoms with their electrons zooming around them eternally and at break neck speed.
But there is apparent perpetual motion where the excess energy comes from an obscure source and so, as Confucius might well have said: "The wise man, he avoids throwing the baby out with the bath water".
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Here is a simple experiment get an iron horse shoe wind a coil round a small section link the gap with
another pulse the coil with a battery and it will have electrons running round till the end of time just
like the planets. As far as i am concerned that type of thing is perpetual motion.
Just like you living one life time after time after time. but your from the planet of amnesia but what do I care
that's your problem if you cant Handel the truth. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: stivep on 2023.07.12, 00:15:07
I must disagree as modern science disagree with your statement too.
My previous comment explains the nature of the subject in question. Please read it.
Here:
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4481.msg105631#msg105631
Wesley
It is rather complicated but if we focusd on the "apparent" overunity issue, there should be scope for heating our homes almost for free this winter.
Here's a thought:
- If modern Heat pumps can be COP : 4.7
- And Thermal - Electrical conversion efficiency can be as high as 40%
(https://eandt.theiet.org/content/articles/2022/04/solid-state-engine-efficiently-converts-heat-to-electricity/
- Then why has no one tried to loop a heat pump? (Besides Dennis Lee, who made some considerable claims about this) (Dude was working with 35 Bar ! :o)
https://youtu.be/l-gu_KCfnGY?list=PLpuBp-WaqFobl1olMsCLo1hzwvTIewbvj&t=202
(https://youtu.be/l-gu_KCfnGY?list=PLpuBp-WaqFobl1olMsCLo1hzwvTIewbvj&t=202)
- They are readily available and easily adapted given the extensive R&D that's been done, the technology could be see as "mature"
An ideal candidate for such experimentation, for those with the correct equipment & skills
A good piece of kit to have anyway, regardless of where you live, provided it's also reversible ..
Seems like it should be relatively straightforward provided the above statement ..
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I believe this subject matter is fitting for this thread but if not then please delete.
Below are two papers of mine one of which shows a gain within classical electromagnetism. I don't wish to create controversy but rather share what I have found.
The concept employs what I call RLE or Reduced Lenz Effect which utilizes in general a constant current loading on the secondary of a transformer. If one is not familiar with this then I would
recommend reading the first pdf before the second.
Regards,
Pm
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Quote from: stivep on 2023.07.12, 15:52:35
Very nice work . I do appreciate it very much as your theoretical contribution.
The postulates of yours may by absolutely true as an event in the process. ( I did not analyze it deeply- lack of time)
I was working in similar field too but my duty was to deliver according to DoD or NASA or DARPA programs requirement.
So in short:
Proposals or applications claiming:
More energy at output than delivered to the input, or perpetual motion in the system , is not honored by Patent office (conflict with modern science)
due to all losses in the system.
Example: Your 100.8 is not an absolute value
.https://www.mathsisfun.com/numbers/absolute-value.html
But reduction of losses is absolutely right on the track
Thank you for your contribution
Wesley
Wesley,
Thank you!
It took me a little bit to see what absolute value you were to referring to but it is the individual gain of L3 in the figure 2 sim. I think my use of "gain" at this point was a poor choice of words! It is absolute in it's math form however, in the real world, if one were to recover this energy of 100.8uJ, it would be around 85-90% or so to a level of ~85-90uJ. The over all COP of that same sim is .988 .
Pm
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Quote from: AlienGrey on 2023.07.12, 07:04:20
Here is a simple experiment get an iron horse shoe wind a coil round a small section link the gap with
another pulse the coil with a battery and it will have electrons running round till the end of time just
like the planets. As far as i am concerned that type of thing is perpetual motion.
Just like you living one life time after time after time. but your from the planet of amnesia but what do I care
that's your problem if you cant Handel the truth. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
This is an electromagnetic version of the Kunel devices. He used weak cabinet magnets.
Quote from: stivep on 2023.07.12, 10:42:38
if perpetual motion is rejected by science than overunity is too as energy can not be created nor destroyed.
My Dear Friend -
To make things around us from scientific stand point clear once and forever :
-there is no over unity it is a myth .
-the same as there is no back in time travel, or antigravity,
-god is not recognized to be delicate.( Darvin)
-you and I we are animals, mammals having the same organs and form of reproduction .
-today human animal gets heart and other organs transplanted from a pig the closest to you and me.
So yes just by The Nature accident, a pig that could be like you in the process of evolution, is not.
- but than you would likely become a snack eaten with pleasure or not much by more advanced animals than you
ending in slaughterhouse created by them before you even go to the age of few years old as they may like fresh young food.
9 years old genetically modified would give birth to the "fresh food" and males would be mostly castrated at birth .
Terrible... this is what a human animal the most cruel creature in the planet earth is doing now with the other mammals he belongs too.
Some of the humans were cannibals, but eating other mammals is a cannibalisms too don't you think? I'd appreciate your feedback very much.
I'm vegetarian.
Nothing is complicated at all.
If you are a mechanic- professional and there is another mechanic - professional in something else- than sooner or later that mechanic may need you too.
But in practice you can do most of his work under his supervision with the same quality today.
That is how student turns into a scientist , or car mechanic, or rocket manufacturing plant worker.
Wesley
You are arguing about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.
We know that energy may neither be created nor destroyed; we all want to heat our homes and drive our cars without cost or harm to ourselves or the planet.
How do we achieve this?
Quote from: stivep on 2023.07.12, 10:42:38
if perpetual motion is rejected by science than overunity is too as energy can not be created nor destroyed.
My Dear Friend -
To make things around us from scientific stand point clear once and forever :
-there is no over unity it is a myth .
-the same as there is no back in time travel, or antigravity,
-god is not recognized to be delicate.( Darvin)
-you and I we are animals, mammals having the same organs and form of reproduction .
-today human animal gets heart and other organs transplanted from a pig the closest to you and me.
So yes just by The Nature accident, a pig that could be like you in the process of evolution, is not.
- but than you would likely become a snack eaten with pleasure or not much by more advanced animals than you
ending in slaughterhouse created by them before you even go to the age of few years old as they may like fresh young food.
9 years old genetically modified would give birth to the "fresh food" and males would be mostly castrated at birth .
Terrible... this is what a human animal the most cruel creature in the planet earth is doing now with the other mammals he belongs too.
Some of the humans were cannibals, but eating other mammals is a cannibalisms too don't you think? I'd appreciate your feedback very much.
I'm vegetarian.
Nothing is complicated at all.
If you are a mechanic- professional and there is another mechanic - professional in something else- than sooner or later that mechanic may need you too.
But in practice you can do most of his work under his supervision with the same quality today.
That is how student turns into a scientist , or car mechanic, or rocket manufacturing plant worker.
Wesley
With all due respect and consideration I don't think you are right at least not at macro scale. If your science focus on hyper microscopic scale it might not be any perpetual motion. Im not a scientist nor calling myself one but rather educated and using common sense and i can see that everything is in perpetual motion especially life, all forms of life. And this life is perpetual and always influence the matter and energy.
Although over unity is perfect possible trough the life, where we need to supply only a small amount of man made energy to create an disturbance in local environment in order to obtain many times more energy output that we invested as we let the nature to balance what we harvest... not only your patented method to harvest energy from schumann waveguide can do the work even if you deny overunity by doing that.
It might be down to our personal perception of things and phenomenon.
And I hope with some help I will be able to make my first device open source free to use domestic or commercial by anyone and bring some hope to humanity.
PS on the other forum you were fast to judge and name a hoax without considering the piston bounce back as per drawings and produces exactly the phenomenon you described by saying it's not taking place 👀
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Quote from: stivep on 2023.07.13, 13:03:09
Math professors( friends) from Hunter in Manhattan calculated for me -it should start ~ 18 years from now if Energy delivery is for free (mostly in China, India, Africa)
This is interesting; please ask your source to show his/her workings.
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Actually
Here we are guests of those dedicated to Open sourcing Free Energy device to the world
Not a discussion about anything else ...
Respectfully
Chet K
Ps
I will write no more here !
Just making our hosts life mission "Clear"
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Quote from: stivep on 2023.07.13, 13:03:09
I do not.
We like it or not-
-FE is not good for the economy nor for quickly overpopulating Earth humanity due to a comfort of it, turning it to man made apocalypse due to the food shortage, trashing all nature in the process of their expansion.
Math professors( friends) from Hunter in Manhattan calculated for me -it should start ~ 18 years from now if Energy delivery is for free (mostly in China, India, Africa)
Wesley
I can see that you keep pressing this gibberish all over without any proof by supposingly quoting someone else who possible did some math work for you to make it looking real. I'm just disgusted.
First of all increased comfort never lead to increased population, actually if you ever bother to take a peek at statistics or just ask someone to do it for you an easy find is population is decreasing as individuals get distracted by the huge availability of recreational habits.
Someone may find easier to foul 90% of individuals when they are in billions around, than trying to foul 90% of just few millions with plenty time and opportunity to search and research and especially questioning leaders. Regarding your gibberish about food shortage for a possible over populated planet 🤭 ... are you considering is happening when free energy is handy to everyone ? Really ?
Although free energy might not be good for economy and is exactly how is supposed to be if you look what a huge pollution is making for the purpose of producing a lot of cheap useless garbage. They should disappear instantly in my opinion for the sake of the life of workers and their hard work to extract minerals. And yes, they are trashing the nature and should be hold to account for this with their fortune and their lives. Stupid consumerism ! And I need to mention a huge waste a source of pollution from an ultra inefficient transport which also enhanced by consumerism sustained by banks and governments all over the world while pretending they care for life and people.
So, this perpetum mobile should be preserved ? Just because some gibberish about end of humanity based on pure science fiction ? 🤨
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Quote from: stivep on 2023.07.13, 19:12:11
I did respond to the question but I was friendly suggested to reedit my answer and I think that it was right advice.
Keeping into a subject matter is the way to go.
All other addition, including statistical addition is a trap I do not need to go at.
You have different opinion and that is good.
Diversity is the key to progress
Wesley.
There is exactly ONE thing that I'd like to know: what are you doing on a overunity research forum ?
I really don't understand if you really contribute or just supervise when placing a bait. You keep promoting free energy is disastrous for economy/ humanity what is your interst in this kind of forums ?
This is anything else apart from diversity or progress.
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Quote from: Classic on 2023.07.13, 18:20:38
QuoteFE is not good for the economy nor for quickly overpopulating Earth humanity due to a comfort of it, turning it to man made apocalypse due to the food shortage, trashing all nature in the process of their expansion.
Math professors( friends) from Hunter in Manhattan calculated for me -it should start ~ 18 years from now if Energy delivery is for free (mostly in China, India, Africa)
I can see that you keep pressing this gibberish all over without any proof by supposingly quoting someone else who possible did some math work for you to make it looking real. I'm just disgusted.
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I agree with you, Classic, that what you quoted is unfounded gibberish.
First of all, free energy would considerably develop the economy, not only by increasing usage in traditional sectors, but also by enabling the considerable development of either technologies that had already been mastered but that the cost of energy had made marginal, such as the desalination of seawater, or new technologies that are currently impossible, such as heating and lighting fields to grow crops in winter.
Improvements in the level of technology go hand in hand with improvements in the standard of living, and as you said, an increase in the standard of living does not lead to an increase in the population, but on the contrary to a decrease. It's a well-known fact that the higher the standard of living, the fewer children people have.
But the FE world is full of conspiracy theorists. Their authors spend their time misinforming, either knowingly or out of ignorance, not only about devices, but about everything around them.
Let me extend the debate a little. Some of these conspiracy theorists are environmental activists. Contrary to what they would have us believe, they don't want a green planet so much as the collapse of the capitalist system and the economy. If free energy appears, they will fight it, because they know it would be a new golden age for technology, which supports the consumer society they hate. So I'm not surprised to hear predictions of a planetary apocalypse in the event of FE, they make the same predictions based on climate or pollution. Generating fear is their method of consolidating power. Catholic priests were already doing the same thing centuries ago, promising hell to those who didn't follow God, by which they meant those who didn't follow them and their precepts. Replace "God" with "Nature", and you have the current situation.
As researchers of free or low-cost energy solutions, we need to understand that this mission is in the interest of people AND the planet, because it will lead to a reduction in the earth's population down to more reasonable levels, and its means of action, multiplied thanks to cheap energy, will be able to combat pollution and global warming. Of course, the production of FE must not be polluting, but I think that's on everyone's mind here.
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Kindness implies having the modesty to think that you have to master a subject before talking about it with the apparent assurance of a scholar that you are not. That's respect for others.
I have never yet seen from Stivep the slightest theoretical development with a logical basis in line with scientific knowledge, nor any practical realisation whose effects would not be conventional (contrary to what was claimed).
On the other hand, from my experience of his interminable speeches on ou.com, I have seen an incalculable number of smoky interpretations around conventional setups and peremptorily affirmed fabrications mixing the true and the false and anything around his subjects. Not even refutable, not even science.
Quote from: stivep on 2023.07.13, 20:48:17
Dear Classic.
I do research , experiments and I'm being educated by others as well.- often but not always... mostly from time to time.
Value of brains is greatly appreciated and diversity too.
-There it comes a progress that doesn't have to be mine alone or mine at all.
The tools and equipment in my lab #1 are dedicated to electromagnetism, too but not only.
I have there particle science section, University grade EDXRF, Electron Microscopes, Liquid nitrogen plant and more.
This particular lab is not for profit , but for pleasure and my pleasure is science.( about 700 instruments and devices)
It is very depressing to some experimenters blindly fallowing some concept without expected results when:
-Fundamental and very basic knowledge and advice in area of impedance, propagation, SWR, Spectrum Analysis, Network Vector Analysis,
Waveguides, is a must. And it is good to know or to have someone ready to help.
But before anything else in rank, importance, or position is a satisfaction of dedication applied at the right time and at the right place
often preventing experimenters mistakes, or their use and abuse by some others around .
But kindness to each other Dear Classic. is a must, prior to help delivery in front of your nose.
I hope it helps.
Wesley
Hmm ... as far as I know Nikola Tesla has achieved far more in science and tech without those goodies that you think might help. On the other hand most of inventors had succeed in their path just because of some mistakes they have made, which you help them to avoid 🤭 So, if we trust our instincts we can achieve some better results even without devices that could tell as that something which is working it shouldn't.
Although I can't see any good use of your goodies from your side as long as you are against free (to use) energy as you see it as disrupting the core of consumerism world while being man made apocalypse, denying perpetum mobile even everything as we know is a perpetum mobile and refuting over unity.
Following your logic we all should shut down and burn all patents as they shouldn't ever be applied for the benefit of individuals or at least not as long as they don't pay and being dependent on unscrupulous businesses or politicians.
And last, I will make a device that will give some choice or even some usable power freedom, free to use for everyone in spite of anyone who dare to say they don't exist or never work and I will present it when they will be doing the work in 1-2k private houses.
I would take any advice or tests from you with a lot of salt
Quote from: stivep on 2023.07.13, 16:37:26
- the reason it works is because it obeys laws of physics.
... as we understand them now.
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QuoteWe left perpetual motion behind as a nonsense in opinion of entire world science not only American.
Personally, I think paid shills hijacked the term "perpetual motion" because it goes against certain popular beliefs and implies the whole universe is in motion. If the universe is in perpetual motion this constitutes a "sea of energy" just waiting to be utilized. It's about science but also hope we could move beyond the primitive and superficial hunter/gatherer mentality many still have.
For example, "The energy in a single cubic meter of space is enough to boil all the oceans of the world.", Richard Feynman
Think of it this way, there are over a billion trillion stars like our Sun which have been radiating EM energy and high energy particles for billions and billions of years. Where do people think all that energy went if energy is always conserved?. There is only one logical answer and all that energy must be in continual/perpetual motion from one place to another. Of course real science is in agreement and it's well know all particles and objects made of particles are perpetually absorbing and radiating energy.
So how do people come up with the nonsensical beliefs that space is empty, contains no energy and the energy present is not perpetually moving from one place to another?. The fact we can see the Sun which is a star should have been the first clue. If the Sun's energy reached us it must have also occupied every space in between. Since this happens everywhere in the universe with every star all space must be full of energy and always in motion from one place to another.
We also see a similar basic failure in reasoning by those who believe global warming isn't real. They fail to understand the Earth is continually absorbing and radiating energy from the Sun. If the Earth cannot radiate all the energy it absorbed because of layers of insulating gasses then it slowly gets hotter. Thus what many cannot seem to understand is on the same level as grade school science. Even a six year old can understand this but apparently many adults cannot.
Which begs the question, if a majority of people cannot understand or accept concepts based on grade school science and basic reasoning then what makes them think they could understand how a FE device works?.
AC
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Quote from: Allcanadian on 2023.07.14, 16:13:13
Which begs the question, if a majority of people cannot understand or accept concepts based on grade school science and basic reasoning then what makes them think they could understand how a FE device works?.
AC
Why everyone needs to know how a free (to use) energy works ? I mean do they need to know all details or just the concept/principle ? How can someone expect to see all educated individuals knowing about this when whole academia reject perpetum mobile existence ? Life itself is a perpetum mobile as well, but I would say building a simple magnet you are building a perpetum mobile device. Some will argue is not because over time it lose magnetic properties which I agree, but ... BUT it is an over unity device once is built.
Magnetic field is simply spectacular and defy all known physics laws.
If you cut a small opening on two flat surfaces of chunks of metal containing iron in a way that allow a copper wire to be place between them which can slide in and out when metals are hold together, you short a battery for a little touch with that wire while holding all together and they are magnetised and can withdraw the wire. Those chunks of metal do not display any magnetic properties yet they stay together until you shear them apart.
Any attempt to use expensive tools from 1+ mil usd gifted lab from suppressors of FE would be futile for any explanation, yet to refute over unity and perpetum mobile :D
They need expensive tools to explain or to convince someone that anything that don't respond/react to their device is a hoax and break known physics laws 🤭
I can only promise that I will try to invent many more things that such experts can't explain as their knowledge is much more limited or force them to acknowledge public the truth.
Yet academia refuse to admit that Sahara can be used easy as power bank being a huge sand tank to store free solar thermal energy and could power any green houses for food production to put an end to starvation, even the whole world own them this taking in account all atrocities they did to Africa and Russia and China still doing it nowadays.
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Quote from: stivep on 2023.07.14, 16:48:42
Despite all, no patent office in entire world accepts "perpetual motion"
Science is not based on beliefs but on models.
Reason for higher education is to explain that, what kid doesn't understand yet.
And that is reality you are at my friend.
Opinion not supported by reupdated publications can still exist- Yes.. Especially when such publications are not available.
Does it change opinion of few or more than few of a random readers here?
My videos were visited by ~10 readers from here - This is the random audience we talking about.
I hope it helps.
Wesley
Now you changed the tone for comedy ? 🤣
That's why anyone who really want to go forward would never think to get near close to any patent office as it is a death trap. They get the first hand on anything and first thing they check the list for military or economy disrupting where they simply deny the patent and forcibly make you stop any research while confiscating everything related.
If anyone can get something workable MUST avoid patent office, the only way to achieve energy independence is to do the work, show results and teach others to replicate for own use.
10 users from this forum followed to see your vids 🤣 that's impressive you should be proud the someone is able to listen your theories against fee that will bring The Apocalypse on earth ... it might change if you are ever able to say FE will bring man made apocalypse on earth for those who try to suppress FE. This would make more sense on OVER UNITY RESEARCH forum.
Oh, no need for literature about magnets, just play with them as you aren't able to explain anything, yet your lab is useless in this case. Would you say they don't do anything and maybe they don't exist because they are not in literature and not able to test them with your expensive toys 🤭🤣🤣🤣