Article
https://news.mit.edu/2023/mit-engineers-create-supercapacitor-ancient-materials-0731
The paper by MIT professors Franz-Josef Ulm, Admir Masic, and Yang-Shao Horn, and four others at MIT and at the Wyss Institute for Biologically Inspired Engineering
https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2304318120
Which leads me to speculate
Could the Baghdad Battery have possibly been some kind of ancient super capacitor?
Could the Baghdad Battery have possibly been some kind of ancient super capacitor?
Some were found with 'electrodes' next to them.
No. It was Battery for Acupuncture like Healing and making flying carpets and Elixirs and transmuting the elements. Batteries were what the world was left with after the last earth changes destroyed civilization. Without a rudimentary battery one cant play with Magnetism/levitation/healing/or any kind of "magic".
When they begin to use an alloy of Silver, they will be able to make 'capacitor/batteries' the size of pin heads that out perform a car battery.
Thinking and inventing using "ions" is fake science and hinders the advancement of real science.
Quote from: MerLynn on 2023.08.05, 03:18:17
When they begin to use an alloy of Silver, they will be able to make 'capacitor/batteries' the size of pin heads that out perform a car battery.
Maybe you could provide the maths.
https://www.lehigh.edu/~amb4/wbi/kwardlow/conductivity.htm#:~:text=Silver%20has%20the%20highest%20electrical,97%20and%20gold%20at%2076
https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-reason-that-golds-conductivity-is-less-than-silver-copper
"Silver has the highest electrical conductivity of all metals. In fact, silver defines conductivity - all other metals are compared against it. On a scale of 0 to 100, silver ranks 100, with copper at 97 and gold at 76. Because of this property, and because it doesn't spark easily, silver is commonly used in electrical circuits and contacts. Silver is also utilized in batteries where dependability is mandatory and weight restrictions apply, such as those for portable surgical tools, hearing aids, pacemakers and space travel."
D2
Quote from: Paul-R on 2023.08.05, 11:41:30
Maybe you could provide the maths.
Better to provide the 'elements' one uses, for man to use his traditional ways of 'inventing' new products.
Lets take, as an example, the invention of the poison called 1080. After 1079 mixtures and many more 1000's of Lab rats, they got the mixture to act they way they wanted on the 1080th time. Certain 'elements' like Chlorine, Fluoride, aluminium etc are known 'killers' of Life. That is, their Vibrations or elemental frequencies damage Biological Life or plant life as in the case of herbicides. So they sit in their Lab mixing these chemicals to derive a safe mixture to handle but does the job that they are inventing for. No Maths about it. The same goes with Metallurgy, they mix in small amounts of trace elements to get an alloy with the properties they are looking for. I nearly bought a 'batch' smelting oven from a manufacturer in Virginia where they sold lots of mini furnaces the size of a large washing machines for such admix testing to Universities all over the world to 'Invent' new alloys.
Each 'metal' has unique properties. Silver for example is a good conductor of VIBRATIONS. Its Crystalline structure of Patterned Tetrahedrons allow for the vibrations to easily jostle each other all the way to the end of the wire. A 'battery' is the utilization of these Vibrations between two dissimilar Frequency sources. For one of the elemental metals to be silver, rather than iron or copper in the Baghdad battery, will have a 'better' battery 'effect' and then like everything else they 'discover' or invent, the quest for miniaturization begins.
Gold is a super conductor at very low temperatures. Aluminium is the metal for 'increasing' these vibrations passing along its length. Platinum is the Metal that vibrates in harmony with the Mind or Biological frequencies. To make Mind Controlled circuits, they will use a mixture of Silver and Platinum and any craft that is controlled by the mind will have up to 60% Platinum in its shell construction. Some may have read that the Roswell crafts 'skin' had Memory to return to its original shape when bent. Using ones Mind to Program the Metal when manufacturing this skin metal helps to achieve this effect. But humans are still debating whether water has Memory or not and using maths to prove black holes exist or electrons are real with a Mass no less.
Cadman
QuoteCould the Baghdad Battery have possibly been some kind of ancient super capacitor?
I replicated the Baghdad Battery and many other circuits from ancient Egypt. I believe it was just a battery however the way it was used is interesting.
All the electrical related artifacts seem to come from an area around the Dendera Temple complex in Egypt. The picture below is from the temple depicting the Dendara lights. Here's where it gets interesting, on the far right is a man on top of a box with a cable coming out of the bottom of the box to the left side of the light. The man on the box is one terminal and the cable to the other end of the light the other terminal the same as we hook up our lights.
We could assume the box is a battery but as many critics claimed a simple battery couldn't light a large vacuum bulb as depicted. However if we look at other older high definition pictures of the box it was colored with a pattern of hundreds of small red and blue squares. They also colored small vessels with cables like the Baghdad Battery red and blue. Put two and two together and it seems obvious the box used hundreds of individual batteries in series to produce high voltage DC. Coincidentally today we also color code our batteries with black(-) and red(+) terminals...
In fact, early experimenters like Volta, Faraday and Ampere did exactly the same thing connecting many voltaic piles in series to produce higher voltages. This was the only way to produce reliable HV DC from batteries before induction and transformers were invented. If you think about it the only reason induction/transformers could be discovered was by first inventing small insulated wire conductors.
As well, in the picture just to the left of the man on a box/battery is another obscure electrical device. It's depicted as a Djed or Djed tower often associated with "stability". From the top of the Djed tower we see two arms extending upwards on each outer side of the bulb. Now put two and two together, the main problem with a HV DC plasma discharge in a vacuum tube is limiting the current. The plasma current in the tube would need to be "stabilized" in some way. I won't go into how the Djed tower works but can say it's identical to a device currently used in HV/HF plasma technology.
I think the technology is pretty obvious, they had battery technology, there is evidence they used many batteries in series for many purposes including electroplating. Add enough batteries together in series like Volta and Faraday also deduced and we get HV. They also had glass factories and were blowing glass so a large tube is not out of the question.
Which begs the question, why would people want to hide and obscure the fact the ancient Egyptians had some pretty advanced technology?.
AC
Also connecting batteries in Tesla switch energy usage is incredibly prolonged. Have a look at this test https://youtu.be/wEesPlaSzWI (https://youtu.be/wEesPlaSzWI) easy to replicate.
FWIW at this point, what sparked my first speculation after reading the article and paper was the black residue on the copper tube interior. The residue in some of the batteries was decayed plant material. 'Scholars' speculated the batteries were not batteries but rather storage jars for documents for this reason. Having researched further I disagree and think they may have been AGM, Absorbent 'Grass' Mat batteries.
The Dendra "light bulbs" are Not light bulbs and they are a 1000 miles from where the Baghdad Batteries were found and about 8000 years apart in time.
They are Aetheric Vacuum Tube "Batteries". The 2 intertwined snakes is the clue to their usage. Joe only applies these batteries to one's Head and Hands. Anything else it boots you across the room literally and you'll hit your head on the wall. These are SCALAR pure flat line DC energy 'generators'. One Vacuum tube is Positive and the other is Negative for the 2 snakes to join together in the Healing symbol.
Joe has built about a dozen of them. I have alluded to them in other writings about how to make Batteries from Materials of differing frequencies or elemental states of Matter. We are Not up to this level of Science yet. Most here are still into electrons as the universes sole particle for energy.... derived from Particle Science Theories. Nothing could be further from the Truth and is the main reason OUR is failing to get us to the Stars with Heavenly science much less power our homes or Cars on the Energy of this Water Based Universe.
The Ungodly forces invaded Iraq and Looted these batteries along with everything else ancient by those who would have you Trust Their Science of Global Boiling now it is. It would have been easy to Elementally test the Frequencies of the 'residue' to determine it was an 'electrolyte'. But not any more so it enters into mythology like everything else ancient. THEY do not want you to know real science.
MerLynn
QuoteThe Dendra "light bulbs" are Not light bulbs and they are a 1000 miles from where the Baghdad Batteries were found and about 8000 years apart in time.
It's well know these regions were trading goods with each other for tens of thousands of years. It's also known the Egyptians were electroplating objects using batteries. So the Egyptians obviously had batteries.
https://www.ancientpages.com/2018/08/01/ancient-sophisticated-technologies-mercury-based-gilding-that-we-still-cant-reach/
Quote"Electroplated objects were also found in Egypt by the famous nineteenth-century French archaeologist Auguste Mariette. Excavating in the area of the Sphinx of Gizeh, Mariette came upon a number of artifacts at a depth of 60 feet.
QuoteThey are Aetheric Vacuum Tube "Batteries". The 2 intertwined snakes is the clue to their usage. Joe only applies these batteries to one's Head and Hands. Anything else it boots you across the room literally and you'll hit your head on the wall. These are SCALAR pure flat line DC energy 'generators'. One Vacuum tube is Positive and the other is Negative for the 2 snakes to join together in the Healing symbol.
That's wonderful but I can actually prove my theory and even a child could built it. It's just a HV series battery connected to a mercury vacuum tube with a current limiter.
AC
Quote from: Allcanadian on 2023.08.09, 00:22:11
MerLynn
It's well know these regions were trading goods with each other for tens of thousands of years. It's also known the Egyptians were electroplating objects using batteries. So the Egyptians obviously had batteries.
https://www.ancientpages.com/2018/08/01/ancient-sophisticated-technologies-mercury-based-gilding-that-we-still-cant-reach/
That's wonderful but I can actually prove my theory and even a child could built it. It's just a HV series battery connected to a mercury vacuum tube with a current limiter.
AC
By any chance that tube could be a fluorescent tube ?
Here's a clue...
https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/08/plumbing-discovery-reveals-the-rise-and-fall-of-the-roman-empire/
The Romans had indoor plumbing, hot and cold running water, central heating, advanced water works and were exceptional engineers. However when the Roman empire was destroyed by fascist barbarians most of there technology disappeared for a thousand years.
Here we could ask why this fact of how advanced the Romans actually were is still unknown to most people. I think it's because England/Europeans reinvented the same technology a thousand years later and wanted to take credit for it. It's well known the English were destroying or hiding technology they deemed to be not in there nations interest. In effect rewriting the history books.
It's common sense and ancient civilizations having advanced technology makes everyone look stupid.
Imagine all these countries and scientists patting themselves on the back for being so clever only to find someone else did it better a thousand years before them?. It's embarrassing and many of there supposed discoveries and Nobel's would have to be corrected and taken back.
For example, who invented the battery?.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_battery
This is complete nonsense and the battery wasn't invented in the 18th century by Volta. The Baghdad Battery and Egyptians electroplating objects proves the battery was discovered thousands of years prior. I have also proven by experiment that the ancient Egyptians understood static electricity, built static generators and Leyden jars thousands of years before the Europeans.
It begs the question, why are so many people being dishonest about our real history?.
AC
I could answer your question if you are able to tell me why we have so many patents for FE some of them backed with working devices, but nothing comes on the market, yet we have even here on this forum shameless people that favour all tech for FE and/or overunity should be kept away very well locked ... can you tell me ?
Yet it isn't very difficult to short transformers in a circuit to have negative resistance, creating a symphony of waves, yet nobody have been able to do it properly and still playing with their expensive useless toys and tools, while some people outside can make it work without having an academic degree (at least not a recognisable by academia) and using just an soldering iron, a pair of pliers and a huge hammer to smash to bits all their pride as they deserve.
Also have a look at figure 3 on this thread https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2505.0 and tell me if you can find any similarities with Egyptian battery.
Cadman
QuoteFWIW at this point, what sparked my first speculation after reading the article and paper was the black residue on the copper tube interior. The residue in some of the batteries was decayed plant material. 'Scholars' speculated the batteries were not batteries but rather storage jars for documents for this reason. Having researched further I disagree and think they may have been AGM, Absorbent 'Grass' Mat batteries.
A black/organic residue in a battery makes perfect sense if we think like a builder.
So I'm in ancient Egypt and I want to build a battery, what do I need?. The obvious choice for a vessel would be clay or ceramic well known at the time. Copper and Iron were available from mines and forges of the time. Next we need a separator to keep the electrodes from touching and hemp, reeds or papyrus could be used. Then we need an acidic electrolyte and citrus juice would do the trick. All the materials for a battery were well known and available at the time.
Now we have a mild citrus acid slowly breaking down/oxidizing the metals and the organic/fiber separator which could easily form a black residue. Coincidentally, the oxides or iron are dark brown/red but copper oxide is black. Having built and tested countless kinds of batteries and electrolysers I thought the oxidization problem was common knowledge.
It would seem to me the supposed experts didn't understand basic battery materials and chemistry...
I found this was comical...
"Scholars' speculated the batteries were not batteries but rather storage jars for documents for this reason"
Yes of course, because everyone always places copper/iron metals and acidic citrus juice in with there papyrus documents, lol. Where do people come up with this nonsense?. No intelligent person should ever believe anyone would ever place documents in with a slurry of metals and acid. The supposed Scholars are obviously imbeciles.
Does the picture below look like a document holder, lol?.
AC
Could the Baghdad Battery have possibly been some kind of ancient super capacitor
No its just a Single Wet Cell Battery that is the physical manifestation of its Inventor who understood the Esoteric Occult or Hidden lessons of Life https://www.magneticwaterscience.com/?page_id=14
There's a reasonable explanation for how an ancient civilization could easily have advanced technology like what is shown below.
In all cultures there is a hierarchy and only the best and brightest work on advanced technology. So the battery/light technology shown below was probably only known to the elite and scholars. 99.99% of the labor population would never have seen the Dendera temple complex or the technology depicted in it. Similar to Area 51 where the best and brightest are given resources to work on defense technology 99% of people know nothing about.
Most make the mistake of using the "same-same" fallacy. Supposing because 10,000 ordinary people cannot do something the same rules apply to an extraordinary person. Which is complete nonsense because we know extraordinary people are doing extraordinary things most cannot all the time.
I suspect the Dendera temple complex was probably a school for advanced learning. Like all civilizations the brightest in the population who can do extraordinary things are identified and sent to higher learning institutions. Of course, just like today most people associate advanced technology with gods/religion which may explain why a place for higher learning could be mistaken as a temple.
Here one could ask where is all the physical evidence of ancient technology?. Where was all the evidence from the Romans technology after the fascist barbarian hordes pillaged everything?. The barbarians destroyed everything in Rome and Egypt, killed it, smashed it, burned it, melted it down and sold it for scrap because this is what semi-primates do. They are not builders they are destroyers.
AC
@ AC. I agree with Hancock in that we are a species with amnesia.
"ms" History is seemingly mostly His-Story..
There are so many different interpretations of Human history and all that has transpired that any logical individual should be highly discerning of what they take on board.
Consider how some assert that Caesar only burned Alexandria after having looted the good stuff prior, for storage, and thus reference, presumably by the select few you mention.
This only makes sense however it is not, as far as I can tell, the most popular notion provided ..
I arrive at mostly the same conclusion as you have here, albeit with the inclusion of my own suspicion : Hawass and others in lofty positions - (by perseverance, dumb luck or inheritance) - still hold knowledge today, of the pre dynastic occupation and their abilities, that we don't.
Practicable knowledge that we could immediately integrate into our flawed understandings.
LIDAR shows there is indeed a chamber beneath the left paw of the Sphinx ...
Perhaps revealed in the wrong way today could be mixing oil with water as some say.
Or it could be straight greed.. and would improve 8 Billion lives exponentially.
Excelsior ...
The mantle of "Thug" could also be given to the Dynastic Egyptians who took it upon themselves to deface their occupied wonders, seemingly in a childish manner, as if they couldn't recognize the utter precision and splendidness of what they had found..
There's no way the original sculptors of the Sphinx designed the head like that on purpose ;D
Why else would they commit such a travesty - unless burdened by a mass inferiority complex ? ?
Suffice to say we have devolved as a species in a lot of ways, not irrevocably IMO as some will have you believe, but we had better wake up and act as individuals, fast, before it is too late and the parasitic individuals in WEF , etc , who seek total control of the available resources achieve such ..
I wish Alex Jones was wrong in what he's saying .. I really do .. You can't deny some of it though.
I think the Antikythera mechanism is a good example of how advanced some ancient civilizations were...
https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/03/scientists-solve-another-piece-of-the-puzzling-antikythera-mechanism/
The critics would to tell me primitive Roman laborers built this precision astronomical device around 150 BC?. As the article explains, this device qualifies as the first analog computer built around 150 BC. Not as the historians claim in 1872 by Lord kelvin over 2000 years later.
As well note the time period, the Baghdad battery was supposedly built around 2000 years before Alessandro Volta's claim. This puts the Baghdad battery and the Antikythera mechanism in roughly the same time period. Ergo, if ancient civilizations had the intelligence to build a complex astronomical analog computer then a simple battery should have been a walk in the park.
The facts we know would seen to suggest the critics of these technologies are either grossly incompetent or there being dishonest.
AC
Quote from: MerLynn on 2023.08.11, 04:35:37
Could the Baghdad Battery have possibly been some kind of ancient super capacitor
No its just a Single Wet Cell Battery that is the physical manifestation of its Inventor who understood the Esoteric Occult or Hidden lessons of Life https://www.magneticwaterscience.com/?page_id=14
This sounds like Baghdad Batteries were used for electro acupuncture. According to Bob Beck traditional acupuncture is 50% efficient, electro is 80% efficient and induction stimulus acupuncture is said to be at 95%.
They were using aluminum fire starters, with a quarz crystal that discharged 14kV-20kV. Hook up a model T4 induction coil and a battery. People zapped with this impulse wave/high non-linear spark at 4 acupuncture points, walk away without pain they had for years.
For the car battery replacement with ultracapacitors:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNmkXyhE4l8
https://interestingengineering.com/science/could-ultracapacitors-replace-batteries-in-future-electric-vehicles
and from science point of view explanation is here:
https://www.tycorun.com/blogs/news/supercapacitor-battery-power-energy-storage-black-technology
Wesley
There is anyone who have replicated these batteries ? I need some sizes for copper tube and iron rod, also is it just clay or terracotta, the recipient, need to be glazed inside as well ? I need a power source for my setups and i think this one would be quite nice.
Or should i make a zinc-mercury oxide battery and watch how is charging itself ?
Why we are looking to dead storage instead of something "alive" like an electric pile ?
I wonder if these Bagdad batteries were used in one wire transfer system when we see they have only 1 pole standing out, I mean the iron rod looks the single pole connection.
Also, i have seen many mentioning citrus juice as electrolyte ... but every time when I thought about these batteries I had in my mind vinegar ???
Quote from: Classic on 2023.10.22, 23:38:40
I wonder if these Bagdad batteries were used in one wire transfer system when we see they have only 1 pole standing out, I mean the iron rod looks the single pole connection.
Also, i have seen many mentioning citrus juice as electrolyte ... but every time when I thought about these batteries I had in my mind vinegar ???
Given these batteries were stolen from the museum by Invaders from the Pentagoons, it was reported that a pair of electrodes or "needles" with wires attached were found with the batteries.
It would be very naive to think vinegar was the best electrolyte available. Such is the Dumbness of Academics. They wanna talk about 'electroplating gold' but no acid was invented to dissolve gold at this time in history. If the MAGI had batteries the Technology would have been given in the SAME WAY it comes to Joe.... Divinely Given. So the inventor would have no trouble sourcing whatever electrolyte he wanted. You cant reverse engineer Technology without knowing where it came from particularly when its OOPARTS
Quote from: Classic on 2023.10.16, 18:08:08
Or should i make a zinc-mercury oxide battery and watch how is charging itself ?
Why we are looking to dead storage instead of something "alive" like an electric pile ?
So you want specifically the Vibrations of Zinc and Mercury for just what exactly?
Thales also said that Life is in Everything as did Tesla and Aristotle. So in actual fact all batteries are ALIVE. The God Particle is the Light Crystal. Perhaps these Iron/copper batteries are self charging? Like the Spitfire Battery made from copper and salt water....
Quote from: Classic on 2023.10.16, 16:23:37
There is anyone who have replicated these batteries ? I need some sizes for copper tube and iron rod, also is it just clay or terracotta, the recipient, need to be glazed inside as well ? I need a power source for my setups and i think this one would be quite nice.
For those who understand the Universe is Mental, No schematics or IP is needed. You ask for Divine Guidance for what you have available to use. There have been replications of these by interested parties. Dr Google may help
Quote from: stivep on 2023.10.16, 12:19:38
For the car battery replacement with ultracapacitors:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNmkXyhE4l8
https://interestingengineering.com/science/could-ultracapacitors-replace-batteries-in-future-electric-vehicles
and from science point of view explanation is here:
https://www.tycorun.com/blogs/news/supercapacitor-battery-power-energy-storage-black-technology
Wesley
Nice thread derailment there for someone who hasnt a clue about how Intuitive inventors invent.
Anything "battery" for EV's is a cluster fuck. A retarded understanding of Energy, Frequency and Vibration as the parameters for understanding the Universe.
The Largest EV charging station in the world is powered by Diesel generators at the Tesla Conjob Station in California
Silver is the Metal to make super batteries from. The size of a pea will power a car. but youse all aint up to that yet. First we gotta solve the Magnet orientation for the samsung motor. Almost done with the theory and ready to post. Just gotta finish hay baling.
Quote from: sequentialQ on 2023.10.16, 07:19:19
This sounds like Baghdad Batteries were used for electro acupuncture. According to Bob Beck traditional acupuncture is 50% efficient, electro is 80% efficient and induction stimulus acupuncture is said to be at 95%.
They were using aluminum fire starters, with a quarz crystal that discharged 14kV-20kV. Hook up a model T4 induction coil and a battery. People zapped with this impulse wave/high non-linear spark at 4 acupuncture points, walk away without pain they had for years.
Joe has infinitely better Electro-stimulation. Bob Beck has not the Esoteric Ability to use batteries to heal. He knows not the Polarity of the Human Body or the Polarity of the hands and feet to attach a battery to. His zappers BURN the Skin. Physician first do no harm.
wlw has a copy of the official Joe Charging Up instructional video. We have fixed thyroids, numb limbs, tinnitus, bi polar, blindness and can provide an Ozone therapy with several Polarities of Ozone. Never need a Dr again. Combined with the Aqua Chi Med Bath, never need a Dr again for ANYTHING. But will expand on that later too.
The lack of Pain MAYBE caused by just shorting out the bodies electrical system and thus the no pain. There is a right and wrong way to do this. Traditional Acupuncture can only be practiced by some one with esoteric abilities to see Auras or magnetic Fields and the Flash Points we call acupuncture points.... otherwise its a hit and miss from an UN-Qualified needlier and they have NO WAY to SEE the results of their actions.
From chatgpt...
Question: can a battery be made from iron and copper?
Answer:
QuoteYes, it is possible to create a battery using iron and copper as electrode materials. This type of battery is known as an iron-copper or iron-copper chloride battery. The concept involves using the redox reactions of iron and copper to generate electrical energy.
Here's a basic explanation of how such a battery might work:
Anode (Negative Electrode): The anode is typically made of iron (Fe). When the battery discharges, iron undergoes oxidation, releasing electrons and turning into iron ions (Fe²⁺). This is where the primary chemical reaction occurs: Fe(s) → Fe²⁺(aq) + 2e⁻
Cathode (Positive Electrode): The cathode is typically made of copper (Cu). Copper ions (Cu²⁺) in the electrolyte gain electrons at the cathode and are reduced to form solid copper metal: Cu²⁺(aq) + 2e⁻ → Cu(s)
Electrolyte: The electrolyte typically contains a solution of iron chloride (FeCl₂) or another iron salt. The iron ions from the anode migrate through the electrolyte to the cathode.
The electrons released at the anode flow through an external circuit to the cathode, generating electrical current.
As we can see the Baghdad Battery was in fact a battery invented 2000 years before Alessandro Volta's claim. There was also acidic residue found in the bottom of the Baghdad Battery which supports the theory it was using acidic citrus juice as an electrolyte.
In fact every grade school kid has probably made the same battery seen below. Copper, iron and lemon juice is all that is needed to make a battery.
Which begs the question, how is it that so many adults cannot understand something so simple when most grade school children do?.
As such there is no need for wild theories or mysticism and this is grade school science.
AC
Quote from: Allcanadian on 2023.10.24, 17:34:29
How is it that so many adults cannot understand something so simple when most grade school children do?.
Many people did not study Physics at school. It is such a fundamental subject that I reckon it should be for everyone but the snag could be that, really, it needs labs for experimental work.
Quote from: Paul-R on 2023.10.24, 23:08:47
Many people did not study Physics at school.
...and some did and even learned a little, but that just put them in the valley of despair because they now know enough to ask some hard questions which they are not prepared to answer and that often causes them to want to throw away the baby with the bath water and jettison the entire body of scientific knowledge ...this is usually the point at which magical thinking (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_thinking) and esoterica lends a helping hand.
(https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4525.0;attach=49512)
Quote from: verpies on 2023.10.25, 08:51:17
...and some did and even learned a little, but that just put them in the valley of despair ...
Gordon Bennett, Verpies. We are only talking about sticking a dissimilar knife and fork into an orange and getting a volt or so out of it.
Quote from: verpies on 2023.10.25, 08:51:17
...and some did and even learned a little, but that just put them in the valley of despair because they now know enough to ask some hard questions which they are not prepared to answer and that often causes them to want to throw away the baby with the bath water and jettison the entire body of scientific knowledge ...this is usually the point at which magical thinking (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_thinking) and esoterica lends a helping hand.
(https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4525.0;attach=49512)
Well, the magic thinking is what mainstream science call when they don't have any explanation and they dismiss everything on this false base.
Although i won't dismiss magic term ... let's see how this "magic" made its appearance in the world and what was considered magic, than what is considered magic nowdays.
The Bagdad Batteries were considered to be magic practice ?
Do we have any explanation why we keep researching for huge power banks when we are surrounded by energy ? >:-)
I'm more interested in the history of the Baghdad Battery.
Here's a clue, https://www.theguardian.com/books/2010/sep/26/baghdad-centre-of-scientific-world
When Baghdad was center of the scientific world
QuoteThere are many other great men whose contributions are forgotten in the west, such as Iraqi genius Ibn al-Haytham, the greatest physicist in the 2,000-year span between Archimedes and Newton, al-Bīrūni, the Persian polymath regarded as the Da Vinci of Islam, al-Tūsi, a mathematician and astronomer who would influence Copernicus, and Ibn Khaldūn, the acknowledged father of social science and economic theory. All these men are no less worthy of mention in the history of science than Aristotle, Galileo, Newton or Einstein.
Of course, we will never really know what life was like within the House of Wisdom. But it is well established and uncontroversial that the much earlier academy in Alexandria was likewise more than just a library, for it not only brought together under one roof much of the world's accumulated knowledge, but acted as a magnet for many of the world's greatest thinkers and scholars. The patronage of the Egyptian Ptolemaic dynasty, which provided travel, lodging and stipends to those men, is not so different from the government research grants that university academics worldwide receive today to carry out their research.
Baghdad was once the world leader of science and technology bringing together scholars from around the world. It rose to intellectual heights we can only imagine. Then it was burned to the ground by barbarians and religious fanatics. Baghdad was literally erased from history. In fact this is a common theme throughout our history which looks like it may be repeating itself. Were presently seeing more and more people demonizing science and technology. Degenerating to tribalism and populism where false beliefs and emotions overrule facts. I didn't think it was possible, I thought we learned from the past but apparently not.
AC
Hmmm, what if those sealed batteries were filled up with deionised water instead of lemon juice or any acid ?
To be honest, I don't think there was any kind of acid as they will explode due to hydrogen generation from reaction with iron and copper. Also, black marks would be just copper oxide deposition on the internal wall of clay recipient.
Also, clay pottery (as the body of Bagdad battery) can be conductive and may explain why they had only one electrode sticking out (iron rod).
Taking in account all properties of basic materials used i can imagine they were used in series-parallel to form a power bank with one wire transmission while touching each other, although I'm not sure if they were isolated from ground or some kind of spark gap have been employed to get them in resonance.
And just to piss off some people I can add some magical into equation: those mages or alchemists were saying some incantations when purifying water to be poured into clay recipients to give them memory and induce magnetism. And to be more "evil" I will encourage anyone looking for truth to read about water experiments in scientific labs where crystal modification upon words spelled above water have been proved mainly in Japan (or at least they were the only ones I know they experimented).
Quote from: Classic on 2023.10.27, 18:04:56those mages or alchemists were saying some incantations when purifying water to be poured into clay recipients to give them memory and induce magnetism.
Then why not get some mages or alchemists together and demonstrate the effect.
Quote from: Paul-R on 2023.10.27, 22:46:01
Then why not get some mages or alchemists together and demonstrate the effect.
Why would I do that ? I have no need to demonstrate anything. I trust our brilliant scientists from around the world have done all their best already as we can see.
Anyway there is some consideration that I want to highlight:
Deionized water, because it lacks ions, can potentially interact with and corrode certain metals, especially when it's in prolonged contact with them. Some of the metals that are more prone to corrosion in deionized water include:
Aluminum: Deionized water can be aggressive toward aluminum, potentially leading to corrosion and the formation of aluminum oxide on the surface.
Copper: Copper can be susceptible to corrosion in deionized water, which may result in the release of copper ions and the formation of copper oxide.
Zinc: Zinc can also corrode in deionized water, forming zinc oxide.
Magnesium: Deionized water can react with magnesium and cause corrosion, leading to the formation of magnesium oxide.
Iron and Steel: While iron and steel are less susceptible to corrosion in deionized water compared to regular water, they can still corrode, especially if oxygen is present in the water.
Clay, when unglazed, can be electrically conductive to some extent, but its conductivity can vary significantly depending on the type of clay and its composition. Unglazed clay is not as conductive as metals or highly conductive materials, but it can conduct electricity to some degree due to the presence of ions in the clay.
Several factors influence the electrical conductivity of unglazed clay:
Type of Clay: Different types of clay, such as porcelain, terracotta, or earthenware, have varying compositions, and this affects their electrical conductivity. Some clays may be more conductive than others.
Moisture Content: The electrical conductivity of unglazed clay can increase with higher moisture content. Wet clay is generally more conductive than dry clay.
Impurities: The presence of impurities or mineral content in the clay can impact its conductivity. Clay with more mineral content may be more conductive.
Temperature: Electrical conductivity of unglazed clay can change with temperature. In general, conductivity tends to increase as the temperature rises.
So, to conclude, it is quite clear that Bagdad Batteries were just simply documents holder and have nothing to do with an electric pile, galvanic cell or any electricity generation and we can thank from all our hearts to those brilliant scientists from mainstream science that have brought this into the light and help us not to waste time in such stupid attempts.
To avoid any confusion, lemon juice is good for lemonade and vinegar for salads, have a peaceful sleep O0
So, if we know that storing an lead acid battery right on the concrete floor will destroy the battery, I wonder what effect will have Bagdad Batteries made of clay (similar with concrete) when they sit on the ground or in a building made of stones or masonry ? Would they be drained or replenished ? Or they will just make a "ground/negative" connection for the whole building and just wet ropes need to be used to connect iron rod to loads (light providing devices or electroplating) ?
Also I wonder what they been using for light ? Something similar with LEDs ... electroplating semiconductors ?
I bet this technology would be considered as magic for that time for all ordinary people. Just to keep "magic" in equation and prove the point for those suggesting "magical thinking" ... as an irony (for their scientific arrogance).
The Baghdad battery is only one example of ancient technology and there are many more.
For example, the Antikythera Mechanism was dated to be 2000 years old. Which is supposedly older than the Baghdad battery.
https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-56377567
Some would have us believe people 2000 years ago were not smart enough to invent a basic battery. So how did they invent a precision astronomical device regarded as the first computer?. It simply lacks credibility with regards to the facts we know.
There is also the ancient Egyptians work with stone and hard granite. Some would suppose the extremely precise coring and thin cuts were made by dim wits with wooden mallets and soft copper chisels. The facts suggest the Egyptians developed specialized cutting machines.
https://www.hallofmaat.com/unforbiddengeology/ancient-egyptian-copper-coring-drills/
The Antikythera Mechanism is most damning and I suspect most people today lack the skills and knowledge to hand craft a device with this kind of precision. How many people do you personally know today who understand the exact motions of the planets with respect to time?. Let alone being able to build a mechanical computer to accurately predict said motions.
So the notion that everyone 2000 years ago were basically cave men simply doesn't hold water, it's nonsense.
AC
Yet mainstream science is tell me that I can't have free energy and I must pay for it while is made from fossil fuel and there is no such technology to harvest anything else ... why would I have to show any respect for such "academic" gatherings ?
Quote from: Classic on 2023.10.28, 23:35:00
Yet mainstream science is tell me that I can't have free energy and I must pay for it while is made from fossil fuel and there is no such technology to harvest anything else ... why would I have to show any respect for such "academic" gatherings ?
You haven't a clue, Classic. They say, quite rightly, that you can't get energy if there isn't any to be had. Stop typing and read up about the theory of quantum foam.
Quote from: Paul-R on 2023.10.29, 11:25:10
You haven't a clue, Classic. They say, quite rightly, that you can't get energy if there isn't any to be had. Stop typing and read up about the theory of quantum foam.
Well, that's your opinion.
All I can say is French National Academy have concluded many years ago that no object heavier than air can fly, also Nicola Tesla have proved that radiant energy can be harvested and do useful work and Leonardo DaVinci have an answer: E pur si muove !
Although I can find any kind of explanation from mainstream science as why if we connect batteries in series-parallel when power a load we can use tens or hundreds times more the same energy stored in those batteries without charging them. This is just a simple example to prove how we can commit heresy against mainstream science. All what I've seen was only theories why this shouldn't happen and nobody want to admit that we are told to use in a wrong way electric energy and we encouraged to design everything that use electric energy in a wrong way.
In my opinion I can described this as they are telling us that we need to cut the three down if we want to have their fruits. This is what I see and understand from mainstream science and their "strange" behaviour.
You can stick with their quantum foam theory, I prefer to ignore and dismiss it as utterly nonsense, it is just another attempt to dismiss aether while saying it indeed exist but we can't use it. ... Tesla just proved this wrong more than 100 years ago. Just another bs from unscrupulous business-gov across the ocean.