https://youtu.be/-vaDfPmzrFA?si=ndyEMxnixTEMDm4L
This is second experiment that has started and anyone is welcome to try an explanation or replicate.
I really think this way of use of batteries can bring a real change. Just imagine if Bagdad batteries where used in this way, for sure this weekend I will start to replicate this setup.
Also I wonder if anyone wants to try to attach an circuit as shown in the youtube video explaining how it works this https://scitechdaily.com/long-considered-impossible-in-physics-nonlinear-circuit-harvests-clean-power-using-graphene/?expand_article=1&utm_content=cmp-true#google_vignette
Before someone trying to patent idea ... it might never deplete battery system.
Also it might prove if there is electricity generated from thermal non gradient or radiant energy from rf or cosmic radiation
Quote from: Classic on 2023.08.24, 06:47:59
https://youtu.be/-vaDfPmzrFA?si=ndyEMxnixTEMDm4L
This is second experiment that has started and anyone is welcome to try an explanation or replicate.
I really think this way of use of batteries can bring a real change. Just imagine if Bagdad batteries where used in this way, for sure this weekend I will start to replicate this setup.
It is funny watching people think they have reinvented the wheel. There is a very long thread on the Energetic Forum where several of us researched this many years ago. It is a great way to get more run time from your batteries. But they do eventually run down. Look for the thread called "The three battery generating system" or 3BGS. I even posted a circuit there for automatically switching the batteries.
Respectfully,
Carroll
Quote from: CITFTA on 2023.08.24, 14:24:59
It is funny watching people think they have reinvented the wheel. There is a very long thread on the Energetic Forum where several of us researched this many years ago. It is a great way to get more run time from your batteries. But they do eventually run down. Look for the thread called "The three battery generating system" or 3BGS. I even posted a circuit there for automatically switching the batteries.
Respectfully,
Carroll
I never said they will run forever.
On his previous experiment, he managed to keep the led running for 275 days, which is impossible without series-parallel connections.
Although, would be fabulous if we can figure out what keeps the batteries from depleting and being possible to extend (in case of led) usage time hundredths times more.
Just imagine what would be for auto industry in first instance. Also small power consumption can be easily replenished without heavy investment in various devices.
Anyone have any ideas what to start to investigate ? Chemistry ? Energy gained from another source ? Methods to measure and monitor ? All types of batteries behave in this way for same time frame ?
Rewire connections in power banks as we get extra time for same power consumption ?
Any explanation for phenomena ?
Quote from: Classic on 2023.08.24, 15:56:36
Any explanation for phenomena ?
I think it's from the led. Led that receive light can produce electricity. Perhaps not just light but some other electromagnetic waves.
The problem is how to separate or use the combined waves into the useful product.
Batteries itself is a complex thing. Perhaps the combined waves resulted the faster charging instead of interfere each other.
I think the charging of batteries itself is just another form of electrochemical deposition and electrolysis. While the waves interference that we usually see are destructive interference instead of the constructive one.
It's just my opinion.
edit:
just came to mind that perhaps it's better to shunt the signal through batteries first then to ground in signal filtering system.
LEDs have very interesting behaviour apart from being a 1way valve, they generate electricity as well. Nigel cheese/hands/copper got a theory as well backed up with shown working device. Also I found that simple circuit with caps and diodes can provide exceeding electricity when resistors are added on ground connection and energy will match the load attached.
Edit: I mean input from an antenna and ground connection with resistors will match itself load required energy
Quote from: Classic on 2023.08.30, 09:38:26
I found that simple circuit with caps and diodes can provide exceeding electricity
Are you able to share the circuit diagram for this? How does it provide power to match the load?
Quote from: lfarrand on 2023.08.30, 14:12:50
Are you able to share the circuit diagram for this? How does it provide power to match the load?
Try with incandescent bulb or little motor as load connected. Circuit is simple as Jes ascanius did, size diodes and capacitors according to the load. Add resistor to ground connection.
Depending on your location you might need to insulate everything if humidity is high and low altitude. Make sure components will have no leakage. Coat with graphene your high polished elevated plate. Also provide a very good ground and make sure everything above the ground is insulated.
If not enough power is provided use some Tesla bifilar flat coils with low power zvs on primary. But in most of the cases you don't need unless you aim for something powerful where zvs needs to match your desired load.
Classic
Energy gained from another source.
Another thing you might consider is placing a joule thief between the run batteries and the leds. Not the usual joule thief but one configured as a LOPT where the secondary only conducts during the inductive collapse of the primary. Run the current from the run batteries through the primary coil then to the leds. Watch out for the inductive spike in the primary and control it or use it. Take the output from the secondary and run it back to a cap in parallel with the run batteries.
Cadman
Quote from: lfarrand on 2023.08.30, 14:12:50
Are you able to share the circuit diagram for this? How does it provide power to match the load?
I'm guessing at this one Lee.
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3962.0
Cheers Grum.
https://youtu.be/Tpv9-RvwzwA?si=vtBK5V_aqXFZv8GB
https://youtu.be/sKVK4rCVy7g?si=dM-BC4Q3-o8CvgAO
Have a look :D
Quote from: Cadman on 2023.08.30, 14:58:55
Classic
Energy gained from another source.
Another thing you might consider is placing a joule thief between the run batteries and the leds. Not the usual joule thief but one configured as a LOPT where the secondary only conducts during the inductive collapse of the primary. Run the current from the run batteries through the primary coil then to the leds. Watch out for the inductive spike in the primary and control it or use it. Take the output from the secondary and run it back to a cap in parallel with the run batteries.
Cadman
I really don't care from where energy come as long as it keep coming and I don't have to pay for it. Indeed there is many way to collect energy and use.
Whatever you can collect and you don't have to pay for it is just fine. If there isn't enough you can always use methods to amplify and gain what you need. And the beauty is, that is keep pouring 24/7 so, no need to scale up your power bank for 2-3 days like solar and wind systems.
Also, have a look at Wurth Electronic (and not only)... they have a decent range of components for alternative energy ... but like everyone else they only develop and sell products designed for little power. Just think, if they can do it for micro scale you can figure to scale up for your needs.
Also, if anyone is curious enough can find thousands, THOUSANDS ! of patents on same variation where an aerial is
shorted with the ground ... and always one of 2 fields supply the required energy for the load. The limit is given by components you choose to use.
Always think about safety and add lighting arrestor, also an rcd might be useful
Aerials works better if you use golden ratio shape array to reduce the size required for aerial using graphene.
But it is quite easy to get useful power from just 12v using bifilar fat coils and zvs like here: https://youtu.be/LRFI0V-2DlA?si=pLIgBo9rHqMBqVvk
If you really want to see things going forward in the right direction, just build as many devices as you like and share the knowledge ... big boys needs to stop pollution and extortion.
I really think that a £200-400 budget can put and end to all energy bills for a household easy.
Anyway I'm still interested to find out how is possible for rechargeable batteries to last ridiculous long time (275 days) when connected in series-parallel, when they are supposed to die in less than 24 hours.
Just imagine your electric vehicle could travel +10 times more with 1 charge, coupled with 4 small hub motors with graphene printed stators in each wheel.
I know an old trick used 30-40 years ago when you connect a small load like an LED to a car battery to prevent that battery to go flat in the winter if car is not used for a long time. Old times and old unsealed lead acid batteries (less performant than nowadays).
This reminds me of the "Tesla Switch".
Quote from: Paul-R on 2023.08.30, 22:09:22
This reminds me of the "Tesla Switch".
Indeed, the man who was so kind to share this setup is calling Tesla Switch this arrangement of series-parallel. Would this make any difference ? Are you suggesting that switching battery time for using same energy for same load is extended ? Is this all the explanation ? Tricking batteries that power the load that they are replenished and somehow the load decide by itself to use less power or eventually making a refund ? :-\
As I have already posted in this thread there were several of us a few years back that did a lot of research on this. There is a thread on the Energetic Forum about a system called the 3 battery generating system. You can learn all about recycling the energy of the batteries to extend the run time for a very long time by recycling the energy back and forth between the batteries. The concept does work. But it works best by having two batteries in series powering a load and the other side of the load going the third battery that is connected backwards so that it is getting charged by the current going through the load. When that battery gets fully charged you swap it with the series battery that has the lowest charge and then continue your run. Something we saw was that the series battery that was connected to the single battery lost charge more slowly than the one connected to the load. We never did figure out why that happened. Look up that old thread and you may learn all you want to know about recycling battery energy.
Carroll
Citfta, many thanks for info again, I'm already convinced and understood that there is a new phenomenon taking place and it is just a way of connecting batteries.
Anyway, the real gain is to figure out why the phenomenon is taking place and what is really happening there
Quote from: Classic on 2023.08.30, 22:46:34
Indeed, the man who was so kind to share this setup is calling Tesla Switch this arrangement of series-parallel. Would this make any difference ? Are you suggesting that switching battery time for using same energy for same load is extended ? Is this all the explanation ? Tricking batteries that power the load that they are replenished and somehow the load decide by itself to use less power or eventually making a refund ? :-\
I don't know but there is a lot of replication of effort around and work done on the Tesla Sweitch should have a useful bearing. It is mentioned in Patrick's book:
http://www.free-energy-info.tuks.nl/Chapter5.pdf - Page 5.
It just snapped on my mind reading your answer, that we might have found something, like: we never use in load all power taken out from source ... that's meant load (actually a short) it takes everything what it can from source and what isn't used for the gain intended is transformed in heat. So, positioning batteries after load we recover power taken unnecessary.
What about this ? ??? Can we test this theory ? If true than we need to think every electronic or electrical circuit as being just a short as I already mentioned before in few threads. It might change our perception about many things
So, a lot of work has been done ... but I can't see any conclusion
I don''t know why you say there is no conclusion. The swapping of batteries and using the current from the load to charge another battery DOES work. The only drawback to the system is that is requires a lot of batteries and a fairly sophisticated system for swapping the batteries unless you want to spend a lot of your time checking voltages and doing the swapping by hand. And you will have to eventually recharge the batteries to make up for resistance and heat losses.
Respectfully,
Carroll
Quote from: CITFTA on 2023.09.08, 09:06:41
I don''t know why you say there is no conclusion. The swapping of batteries and using the current from the load to charge another battery DOES work. The only drawback to the system is that is requires a lot of batteries and a fairly sophisticated system for swapping the batteries unless you want to spend a lot of your time checking voltages and doing the swapping by hand. And you will have to eventually recharge the batteries to make up for resistance and heat losses.
Respectfully,
Carroll
Many thanks for replying. But we still don't know what is the phenomenon that makes batteries to last ridiculously long time for same charge ... unless we assume that any load powered by batteries takes up all the power it can but having a return path to the batteries will return power unnecessarily taken. How can we test this ?
Can't use non rechargeable batteries, I don't think they will work, but worth to test ... need to order some more batteries to make few setups and try each setup with different chemical combinations, I mean 1 set nimh, 1 nicad, 1 lithium. At least to make sure what works ... chemistry or else
So, we had a test done and we know they work. We need to find out why and how than draw the conclusion. We cannot conclude that they work and leave it alone. Although this is over unity research ... or not ?
This is mind blowing to see many trying to replicate some devices where they don't know how they work and lack of knowledge/information ... and a simple setup with the cost of few cheap batteries which potentially can change everything can't be investigated and people just trying to keep the batteries charged attaching even more headaches
I give up trying to explain this. There is NO unexplained phenomenon going on here. You are just taking advantage of the ability to recycle energy.
I and several others spent a couple of years working with this idea. If you insist on believing there is something magical happening then go ahead and spend your time and money and prove it.
Carroll
Quote from: CITFTA on 2023.09.08, 13:16:33
I give up trying to explain this. There is NO unexplained phenomenon going on here. You are just taking advantage of the ability to recycle energy.
I and several others spent a couple of years working with this idea. If you insist on believing there is something magical happening then go ahead and spend your time and money and prove it.
Carroll
I didn't mean to upset anyone and I don't think there is anything magic ... I really think that any shortcircuit (read any electric/electronic device) will draw everything from a power source according to limits of components used, while the device will perform effects according to its properties and geometry of materials.
And electrons or any other particles don't flow anywhere unless a transmutation taking place, they just transmit a signal (call it charge if you wish) according to properties of materials under effect of being connected to a magnetic or electric influence.
Just think of power correction factor where we use capacitors before the load and further improve by adding capacitors in series after load. But what will happen if we power a little dc motor and use a cap for power factor correction then connect in series a second battery which will charge first battery that power our little motor ... I'm not saying that someone should try to make a return path to the grid, just batteries.
Calculate how many mA they can provide and how long can power little motor, connect batteries in series-parallel and swap them before they being drawn to destruction. Check total running time, capacitor and batteries level after 10 cycles.
Would be quite easy to find out what we are really paying for the power from grid.
And
how much energy we use by recycling as you say, just imagine that we can drive an electric vehicle 10 times more with same batteries and same charge, or power everything in a house for 5-10% of what we are being told we used.
Or find a little 24/7 "energy source" that can fill your home power bank via Tesla coils where you don't need to change anything in the house.
Just imagine how many devices can flood the market in just 2 weeks that can provide little necessary start up of system when you reduce energy "consumption" from 5kw to 100w.
Quote from: Excelsior on 2023.09.08, 18:47:43
This video may be relevant to the conversation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IauYQCCsz-g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IauYQCCsz-g)
And he got lost in the fog of research with nothing out on the market where anyone can benefit after so many years. If you look at him you may find some similarities in his behaviour with J Newman.
That's why I will avoid anything that would bring any patent office involvement or an open fight with grid suppliers. We need to be creative and avoid all these death traps. Use of the shelf products or recycle from scrap.
And quite interesting to see how some users of few forums at a possible expert level are profiling anyone who have something to show or say. And from what it look like they are evaluating if they can be bought or different methods need to be employed.
The main goal is to get everyone with a simple device that can cover their domestic needs and no need to declare a war against bigoilco.
At least I know why I won't have large bills from power grids and almost everyone on this or similar forums should be in same position.
I would love to hear why western world can make sand batteries for power generation and why this isn't happening in Africa where is the most easy way to power whole continent and provide clear fresh water to everyone living there or even export electricity in Europe as an alternative to Russian gas ? Would this cost more than under the sea gas pipe ?
Quote from: Classic on 2023.09.09, 17:21:51
I would love to hear why western world can make sand batteries
Do you mean old fashioned storage batteries? I don't sewe how they advance the energy problems of Africa.
Quote from: Paul-R on 2023.09.09, 22:50:46
Do you mean old fashioned storage batteries? I don't sewe how they advance the energy problems of Africa.
Not necessarily, western world trying to extract or recover even tiny amount of energy and in Africa every single bit of heat go to waste.
I don't want to divert the main subject, eventually we can elaborate on a separate thread.
My theory is very simple: as we are surrounded by electricity (and magnetism) all man made devices that use electricity are in fact just a path that set together + and - . If we use different materials with certain properties we obtain an effect. But, in order to increase efficiency we need to add a path to return unused energy back to source. In series-parallel setup of batteries we can witness this effect happening and it allow to proper use for the exact right amount of energy necessary to obtain desired effect.
By adding batteries after load we collect energy taken that have been drawn unnecessary by load. Where load is the point where finally + and - are stacked together. That also complete my theory that any setup where - and + are stacked together will always try to deplete the source and the limit of continuous draw is given by limits of components and respective materials.
That means, if we change the way of using electricity to complete depletion of source we have a wonderful solution that can reduce "electricity consumption" tens or thousands of times.
And this is the principle of collecting "free"energy: nature always will always bring everything to balance/equilibrium, if we create an unbalance/disturbance in a perpetum mobile as nature is, we will have an opposite force /effect that will cancel disturbance artificially created. This means we need to spend little energy input, amplify it, than expect nature to bring same amount of energy to match the disturbance to cancellation/depletion, return as little as necessary back to input to keep it going and you have continuous generation from the difference between input and output.
Simple way that I know is:
- input source that can be: 6-12v
- amplifier (transformer) being shorted and pulsed at right frequency (standing waves)
- make wireless power transfer to another transformer at same resonance and amplify further to desired level (spiral bifilar flat coils for wireless transfer and single wire spiral flat coils for amplification where we keep same mass of copper or same length of wires). With cheap zvs circuit or any cheap oscillator with some power step up and 20-30 MHz output at 2-300 w.
- loop input in case of battery or no loop necessary if continuous generator source is used as input as RE, ground (separate)
Like here https://youtu.be/LRFI0V-2DlA?si=CCJPjfTn0tk5lMZG
Where
series-parallel batteries setup would make more sense than keeping a led lit up for ridiculous long time if solar, wind or any unreliable 24/7 source is used.
Or take the art to a high level and design power system for your travel mean as I intend to do for a little farm where I don't need any approval from road traffic or any gov regulation or being stupid to show it to any patent office that will hinder achievement.
Don't ask me for measurements or wave form ... if you are curious, build it for yourself as it is cheap and do whatever you want. You can build most of it from scrap. If you like it you can easy scale up for domestic or commercial use, it's free and open source.
Little explanation:
Resonant Operation: ZVS circuits are often designed to operate at or near their resonant frequency. At resonance, the impedance of the circuit can change significantly. When the circuit is in resonance, the voltage and current are in phase, which means that the circuit effectively "looks like" it has a negative resistance to the load.
Phase Relationship: In a resonant circuit, the voltage and current waveforms are in phase, unlike non-resonant circuits where they may be out of phase. This phase relationship can lead to the appearance of negative resistance because, mathematically, negative resistance can be associated with in-phase voltage and current.
Power Transfer: In certain wireless power transfer applications, a ZVS circuit is used to efficiently transfer power from a source to a load, often through magnetic coupling. When the circuit is operating at resonance, it optimally couples with the load, which can make it appear as if it's providing power rather than consuming it, akin to a negative resistance.
It's important to note that this negative resistance behaviour is specific to the context of resonant circuits and their interaction with loads. The ZVS circuit itself does not have a negative resistance component; it's the result of the circuit's behavior when properly tuned and operating at or near resonance. This behaviour is exploited in applications like wireless power transfer to maximise power delivery to the load.
Also,
Efficient Coil Design:
Design the coils for high Q-factor (quality factor), which indicates their ability to store and transfer energy efficiently. This includes optimizing the number of turns, wire diameter, and coil dimensions for resonance.
Resonance Tuning:
Ensure that both the ZVS circuit and the receiving coil (or coils) are properly tuned to the same resonant frequency. This maximizes the efficiency of energy transfer.
Impedance Matching:
Match the impedance of the source (ZVS circuit) and the load (receiving coils) to minimize reflected power and maximize power transfer. Use impedance measurements and calculations to achieve this.
Coil Alignment and Coupling:
Position the transmitting and receiving coils for optimal coupling. Proper alignment and proximity are crucial for efficient energy transfer.
Minimize Losses:
Reduce resistive losses in the coils and components by using high-quality materials and minimizing resistance in the coil windings.
Low-Resistance Components:
Choose components for the ZVS circuit with low resistance to minimize power loss during energy conversion.
Efficient Battery Management:
Implement efficient battery management systems, such as voltage regulation and charge/discharge control, to ensure that the batteries operate within their optimal voltage range.
Energy Harvesting Techniques:
Consider incorporating energy harvesting techniques, such as energy storage capacitors or supercapacitors, to store excess energy when available and release it when needed.
Load Regulation:
Use efficient voltage or current regulation circuitry on the receiving side to maintain the desired output voltage or current without wasting excess energy.
Feedback Control:
Implement feedback control systems that can adjust the power transfer based on the energy needs of the load. This can help minimize unnecessary energy transfer.
Optimize Operating Frequency:
Experiment with different operating frequencies to find the frequency at which the system exhibits the highest efficiency. This might require adjusting the ZVS circuit's frequency.
Efficient Rectification and Voltage Conversion:
Ensure that the energy received by the receiving coils is efficiently rectified and converted to the required voltage level for the load. Inefficient rectification can result in power loss.
Efficiency Testing and Optimization:
Continuously test and monitor the system's efficiency under different conditions and adjust parameters as needed to maximize efficiency.
Energy Storage:
Consider incorporating energy storage elements (such as capacitors or batteries) on the receiving side to store and smooth out received energy for more stable power delivery to the load.
I really need to stress how important is to know power needs of the load (pure resistive or less or capacitive ) in any setup to make sure it will work as designed.
Load Considerations: Consider the total impedance of the entire coil arrangement when connecting a load. Ensure that the load is matched to the system's impedance for maximum power transfer.
For setup presented above where we work with coils, or replace coils with electronic components in context ... let's say in a Jes Ascanius type of setup.
So, always work from the load to the source and always check.
I know that isn't an easy tasks, but is absolutely necessary if you want to have some success.
Always when working with HF choose fine multi stranded copper wire for coils. Copper clad aluminium wires are useless and even dangerous.
Another hint:
The length of wire required to resonate at a specific frequency like 30 MHz with a bifilar spiral flat coil can be calculated using the following formula:
L=c/f
Where:
L
L is the length of the wire in meters.
c
c is the speed of light,
f is the desired resonant frequency in Hertz.
If you want to resonate at 30 MHz (30 million Hertz)
L=10meters
So, to resonate at 30 MHz with your 0.75 sq mm multistranded copper wire, you would need a length of approximately 10 meters for each of the bifilar coil's inner and outer wires. Please note that this calculation assumes ideal conditions and does not take into account factors like wire thickness, spacing between the wires, and the coil's dimensions, which can affect the precise resonance. You may need to adjust the coil's design and experiment to achieve the desired resonance in practice.
Or,
If you want to resonate at 75 kHz (75,000 Hertz) with a bifilar spiral flat coil using 0.75 sq mm multistranded copper wire, you can calculate the required wire length using the formula mentioned earlier:
L=4,000meters
So, to resonate at 75 kHz with your 0.75 sq mm multistranded copper wire, you would need a length of approximately 4,000 meters for each of the bifilar coil's inner and outer wires. This is a substantial length, and you might need to consider practical limitations and constraints when designing such a coil for your application. Additionally, the coil's physical dimensions and configuration will also impact its resonance properties.
But,
If you use a wire length of 7.5 meters for each of the inner and outer wires of the bifilar spiral flat coil and aim to resonate at 75 kHz, the coil may not be perfectly tuned to that frequency, but it can still be used for experimentation or applications where precise resonance is not critical.
Here are some considerations:
Resonance: The calculated ideal wire length for resonance at 75 kHz was approximately 4,000 meters. Using only 7.5 meters of wire for each inner and outer wire will likely result in the coil having a different resonant frequency. It may resonate at a higher frequency than 75 kHz due to the reduced wire length.
Tuning: To fine-tune the coil to resonate at 75 kHz with shorter wire lengths, you might need to experiment with additional components like variable capacitors in parallel with the coil or by adjusting the physical dimensions of the coil itself. Tuning the coil involves trial and error to achieve the desired frequency response.
Applications: Depending on your application, exact resonance might not be critical. If you're using the coil for experiments or projects where a slightly different frequency response is acceptable, the 7.5-meter wire length can still be used effectively.
Efficiency: Keep in mind that with shorter wire lengths and a mismatched resonant frequency, the coil's efficiency in transferring energy at 75 kHz might be lower compared to a perfectly tuned coil. Efficiency losses can occur due to impedance mismatches.
In summary, using a 7.5-meter wire length for each inner and outer wire will result in the coil having a different resonant frequency than 75 kHz. To achieve resonance at 75 kHz or close to it, you will likely need to experiment with tuning techniques or adjust the coil's physical characteristics.
Just to know why some experimenters fail their attempts, than they may harass with unnecessary questions that almost lead to long and complicated explanation.
Classic
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Just to know why some experimenters fail their attempts, than they may harass with unnecessary questions that almost lead to long and complicated explanation.
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Example below of claims presented here by Classic
https://youtu.be/-vaDfPmzrFA?si=ndyEMxnixTEMDm4L
Do you have component list and schematic for replication ?
Respectfully
Chet K
Edit for question below
Classic
The one in this post number 38 ( which is repost from first post in this ( your ) topic)
Schematic and parts list of components in video
For replication .
Edit again
Or the schematic and components list you used to verify this claim?
Quote from: Chet K on 2023.09.10, 19:21:41
Classic
Quote
Just to know why some experimenters fail their attempts, than they may harass with unnecessary questions that almost lead to long and complicated explanation.
End quote
Example below of claims presented here by Classic
https://youtu.be/-vaDfPmzrFA?si=ndyEMxnixTEMDm4L
Do you have component list and schematic for replication ?
Respectfully
Chet K
I think I am missing your point what component list and schematic do you need ? For which setup ?
Quote from: Chet K on 2023.09.10, 19:21:41
Classic
Quote
Just to know why some experimenters fail their attempts, than they may harass with unnecessary questions that almost lead to long and complicated explanation.
End quote
Example below of claims presented here by Classic
https://youtu.be/-vaDfPmzrFA?si=ndyEMxnixTEMDm4L
Do you have component list and schematic for replication ?
Respectfully
Chet K
Edit for question below
Classic
The one in this post number 38 ( which is repost from first post in this ( your ) topic)
Schematic and parts list of components in video
For replication .
Edit again
Or the schematic and components list you used to verify this claim?
Is this some kind of joke ?
Do you really need a schematic to put some batteries in series-parallel as shown in YouTube clip Do I need to explain in a more advanced clearer manner than what you can see in the video ? Or maybe I need to explain how to connect the led ?
Quote from: Classic on 2023.09.10, 17:34:28
Another hint:
Just to know why some experimenters fail their attempts, than they may harass with unnecessary questions that almost lead to long and complicated explanation.
No more from me,
I took you at your word above ( implied)
A component list and schematic and part numbers for components,( the absolute minimum to prevent your above complaint)
I have seen too many times where deviations from original presentation were met with harsh
Criticisms ( and well they should be)
We have plenty of guys who have played with batteries over the years
Who have excellent testing skills ( and 100% transparent in their test protocols)
One in particular comes to mind ,ran a motor instead of an LED as a load
Much can be learned...
You love to write all manner of .....?
Please don't leave out the most important part for replication.
We have many many qualified builders in the open source FE community..
Have a good night
Quote from: CITFTA on 2023.09.08, 13:16:33There is NO unexplained phenomenon going on here. You are just taking advantage of the ability to recycle energy.
Carroll
Dont be so sure of yourself Carroll.
I explained this Phenomena in another post but I guess it hasnt either been read and or not understood.
Carroll, the day mankind studies NON Physical phenomena, he will learn more in a decade than in all of previous existence. I wrote on this subject on Aarons Energetic forum before he decided to ban free speech.
Batteries are pretty easy to explain. Study the Baghdad Battery to understand that a Battery is just 2 dissimilar elements equalizing their Frequencies. You get a battery effect in a shared medium between two dissimilar Frequency sources. NiCad Lead/Acid etc.
What you call 'electricity' or 'energy' is ONLY VIBRATIONS. NOTHING else is transferred to the LED. Your toaster, as is your electric kettle is supplied with Vibrations that exhibit 'light' or Heat with the right accompanying apparatus or a COIL. In the other thread I said you could Unbridge the end of the wires in a 120/240 volt AC motor and connect them to another motor and so on add infinitum. The power meter on the box will only measure the 'load' (this word is designed to confuse the physics here) of the first motor. A MOTOR or an LED light is activated by the Vibrations you call 'electricity'. These 'vibrations' activate the entire circuit, and in this case all the way to the other 4 parallel batteries, "recharging them". So the 'loss' in the system is only 'heat' or 'light' from the apparatus. By the way, non rechargeable batteries are good for several recharging but they dont want you to know this so they sell you more batteries.
The problem here is.... them dam electrons. they were INVENTED by Morgan and We$tinghou$e so they could meter 'something'.
The vibrations travel through the LED and go back to a storage device based upon Magnetics where the POS and NEG 'aspect' of Wave form energy can be split and revitalize their source components.
but a short recap here....
Silver has long been associated with the healing Arts as good health can lead to longevity or anti-aging. Modern use of 'electricity' upon silver is 'limited' to just 2 wires and however many 'Cells' or voltage one feels is 'correct' to make a circuit with Direct Current, in aa type of water that is not found in nature, but only in a Lab, that we call 'distilled' water. It is out of phase with nature and has a small max dosage factor as its production methodology may cause harm.
How did the Magi in Persia use their batteries? Up till 2003 there were 3 "Cells" called The Baghdad Batteries that were 2000 years old in the Baghdad Museum. These 3 Cells combined would give 4.5 Volts of Direct Current or DC. This 3 Cell potential is all you need to 'activate' silver in 'earth charged' water to make anti-aging, life extension, healing 'elixirs'.
Elements have mass spectrometer vibrational 'signatures'. The addition of more magnetic DC from batteries or Cells will increase these vibrations. The 'elemental signatures' that make the batteries magnetic DC or its 'electrical potential' is what is responsible for the vibrations we call 'electricity'. It follows that there will be 'scales' or harmonics of 'energy signatures' in which the vibrations of magnetic DC are more 'harmonious' to Life when applied to silver and consumed, or any other 'element' that is added 'magnetically' to the elixir. When Silver is used as the Antenna to magnetically charge water, the water takes on the Memory of Silver. Memory is held within the Vibrations of Magnetism.
What is 'electricity'
The very 'nature' of magnetic current would be the most contested concept within academia. Looking at the production of 'electricity' rather than the theoretical structure of the atom may provide better insights. Battery DC is what is applied to iron to permanently 'magnetize' the iron as a 'flow' in a coil to generate the Magnetic Field that is 'retained' as a Magnetic MEMORY within the Resonating Field Pattern in an iron magnet. More electricity here & science here. (https://www.magneticwaterscience.com/?page_id=14)
Iron and Copper are the two metals found in the Baghdad batteries. Iron in Alchemical terms is 'organic', ('iron' originates in petrified sediments of dead ocean microbes as Haematite) and will take most any Voltage from a vibrational DC source to enhance its Memory of Bio Magnetism. Iron isn't as dependent upon the Harmonics of the DC Vibrations that aligns the Matrices within its structure and the resultant permanent magnetic Field. Iron used in a Field Generation device as Rings, for example, will be beneficial with most any type of wet cell (car like) battery. Silver requires the battery vibrational DC source to be a Harmonic of its natural frequency when 'hyper-charging' silver. The use of Alternating Current or AC being filtered and rectified into DC, is still made with copper and iron as the main metals and solves this source of Life Enhancing Vibrational 'electricity' as the source of Vibrations for bio enhancement activation of Silver or Iron Rings in a Bio Electric Field Enhancement device. A magnet is 'hyper-charged' iron.
Spinning the 'Non Physical' 'wave form field' of a magnetized Iron magnet past a coiled Copper 'collector' that acts like a Tuning Fork for the Crystalline structure of the copper and is dam near identical to harvesting the Frequencies of copper and iron in this battery. One is continuous and the other starts and stops 60 times a seconds as the magnets non physical 'iron fillings wave form" Field passes the Copper tuning fork coiled collector each time. Electricity is vibrations and vibrations are wave forms that exhibit Polarity of Magnetism. Electricity is more an effect between two frequencies much like a shadow, not a particle. The vibrational effect can 'jump' short distances between conductors in a Conductive Gas.
Using Lithium, NiCad or other metal combinations as batteries to make colloidal silver, imparts a different 'flavour' of electrical vibrations, adding another 'harm' (not harmonious) factor to the Field being Vibrated or the silver being electrified.
Colloidal silver is literally silver being degraded to bits in the water due to vibrations, like a flag whipping in the wind.
Quote from: Chet K on 2023.09.10, 23:23:10
No more from me,
I took you at your word above ( implied)
A component list and schematic and part numbers for components,( the absolute minimum to prevent your above complaint)
I have seen too many times where deviations from original presentation were met with harsh
Criticisms ( and well they should be)
We have plenty of guys who have played with batteries over the years
Who have excellent testing skills ( and 100% transparent in their test protocols)
One in particular comes to mind ,ran a motor instead of an LED as a load
Much can be learned...
You love to write all manner of .....?
Please don't leave out the most important part for replication.
We have many many qualified builders in the open source FE community..
Have a good night
Well, I can't say yet anything as I'm still waiting for deliveries before start testing as I have many other things to do, I'm not a researcher for 100% of my time and I'm not yet retired. Nd I'm not going to drop everything else just for this particular test as I have plenty to do for next 2 weeks.
Most of the time I'm planning in advance what and when I can do something.
And observation which you refer to was for a setup a little bit more complex than just coupling batteries together and measure at certain intervals, as this can be easy done by anyone curious enough that have more time to spend than myself. Of course, I don't expect nor asking anyone to do it but it takes time.
Have a good day :)
the battery recycling of energy.
What a Battery and its 'energy' is....
Iron, copper, hydrogen and even oxygen, like everything else, has an atomic structure in a Tetrahedron crystal pattern comprising six Structures of Light making the only 'structure' in the universe. The 'elements' have differing Frequencies according to the Patterns these Light Crystals form, as a defined magnetic object. Light is inherently magnetic making all we see feel taste or touch a defined Magnetic Field with Polarity.
So the Copper Wire making the coil that the Magnet is passing by 60 times a second, is comprised, as is the Magnet, of a crystalline structure that's in constant vibration at room temp. Raise these vibrations and melting occurs. Iron retains a higher vibration rate when 'magnetized'.
The Magnet has an IRON FILLINGS invisible NON PHYSICAL Wave Form that clearly effects the Atomic Structure of applied iron filings and also effects the Crystalline Structures comprising the Copper coil and wires leading all the way to your house and toaster. The invisible waves of energy surrounding a magnet interact with the crystals of copper increasing or Charging Up or Hypercharging all that is connected to the Copper coil, all the way to your toaster. Magnetic wave form energy penetrates 'everything' and has a Non Physical effect on everything it touches or passes by. As an experiment in NON Physical Phenomena, Tesla said you should drop everything for and investigate immediately to be light years ahead of the curved earth. Take 2 ferrite ring magnets mark the 'N' sides. Take a mild steel washer bigger in OD and Smaller in ID than the ring magnets and place it between the 2 N's and leave for a couple days. Then take off the ring magnets and place the washer in water to see if it rusts. Then get back to me on why it doesnt if your electron donor theory stacks up.
Its the same for a Battery. The natural frequencies of Iron and Copper in the Baghdad Battery are where the Irons higher vibrational rate wants to 'energize' the copper nearby (within a shared medium and vise versa or Opposite and equal and all that) and these vibrations can be harvested as 'electricity'. The iron wants to shake the copper some more. In the case of the Magnets WAVES or Field Energy in a generator, effects the solid matter copper coil and is massively vibrating the Crystals 60 times a second that make the Copper matrix you call a circuit. Its not electrocution, its Vibracution
The batteries after the LED are IN the Circuit so naturally the vibrations continue on. The LED doesnt actually use any thing like electrons its just part of the Circuit and doing its vibratory dance Field Effect.
If you think abut it... the Magnetic Field Effect around High tension power lines is so great you cant build within 100 yards of one. This Field Generation by Power lines or EMF must take 'energy' to create yes? It takes energy on the lab bench. But NO. Millions of miles of wires and very little power loss. The wires vibrating arent carrying anything. When the magnet passes the coil and causes a massive increase of Vibrations in the crystalline atomic structure of the copper wires, these vibrating crystals only jostle each other along the wire at the speed of Light. There is no FLOW of anything. The new vibrational crystal Pattern within the Wires being massively disturbed by invisible waves of 'magnetic force' cant help but vibrate the air touching the wires and on it goes creating this NEW Field Effect that can now be detected by our instruments that measure ZERO but are already vibrating with ambient earth and elemental frequencies. An 'element' is a different Field effect of vibrations generally with a dominate frequency pattern. Like a snowflake pattern or conversely an Emoto dirty water pattern.
By introducing water as a molecule and electrons for energy you have something to Meter. The use of copper wires at the ends of transmission lines 'consumes' or dampens these vibrations necessitating a charge for consumption because you are a consumer.
If this is the first you have read this understanding of Tesla's Energy, Frequency and Vibration and associated Non Physical Phenomena you never thought of to study when making more electrons, it is because it has been many 1000's of years since this was last printed for students to learn from. It has only ever been orally given.
It should be possible to take advantage of these 90 degree Field Effect interactions and make a transformer that Amplifies the Frequencies in the Secondary output coils now that its vibrating Crystals that we call electricity and have another JoeCell invention to talk about. One coil copper and another iron. Or how to make a new improved Baghdad battery out of a couple coils of copper and iron wires and labeled a transformer. I read that it was done a few decades ago but no one is around to tell the tale. Any one know diff?
MerLynn
My theory is whatever you attach to a battery will be seen as a leak or a disturbance in local environment and the local environment will drain it if there isn't a return path to temporary storage. If you offer a return path than the storage will be seen as a drain from the opposite field and will be eventually replenished. As surrounding electricity interacts with everything.
And nothing mystical happens, we just need to acknowledge our impaired image and outdated rules imposed by mainstream science.
MerLynn,
Have you spent a couple of YEARS testing and experimenting with recycling energy in batteries? Can you actually show any increase in energy from doing that? You seem to be forgetting that I HAVE actually spent more than a few years working with recycling energy. I have powered all kinds of loads between the batteries. I have spent countless hours tuning and measuring. I look forward to you showing me a way to get extra energy. I want to see some results and not a lot of mumble jumble about how modern physics has it wrong. I believe that it IS probably possible to find a way to get more energy than what we are presently doing. But I haven't found it yet. I am still searching.
Respectfully,
Carroll
I preface this post with one comment ,
"I am genuinely interested in results of these experiments"
With a proper energy audit ( 100% transparent in methodology to viewers)
—//———
Here I consulted the Oracle (an open source researcher TinselKoala)
To see if ?( might be tempted ....if criteria already mentioned in post number 38 is met ("very very" important ("two"very level on a scale of ten)
He asked to share this series ( and a few others (I search for)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mi_FJwpPrQk
EDIT to add vid
Not certain about applicability of below vid except ?
I know there must be reasons ( intuition on my part ( little value))
Micro QEG
"Texas has resonance "
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MCdrAE_IZ74 ?
And searching for one more even more curious vid he mentioned ( I am suspicious of tittle )
The Oracle teaches beyond my "depth" at times ( most)
AnAtmosphere series
Edit to add link to vid
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n-A-7Rq8GXo
He mentioned receiving alien coded messages during some of these AnAtmospere experiments ( could be background cranial echoes) from plasmoids?( incredibly uneducated guess by me)
Again uncertain of above purpose?
I know there were also vid series done by Tinsel and Gotoluc on other battery systems ( will ask for more (Vids)
BTW
I will remove all here ( for any reason if requested by OP)
Respectfully
Chet K
Interesting, I've seen a lot of TK vids before.
There is nothing that can be compared with rudimentary few wires that only connect couple of batteries and an LED, where batteries that power the led in series to match required voltage than another couple of batteries connected in parallel to power first set of batteries. And nothing else !
If you lit up same led using just first set in series batteries will be depleted beyond recovery in less than 24 hours and this is usual setup in any led torch you can buy from shops.
If you add up second set of batteries as described above in parallel as can be seen here : https://youtu.be/wEesPlaSzWI?si=eKHN94Mtf49MTI2x and swap the 2 sets from series to parallel and the set from series to parallel WiITHOUT charging any of batteries from any set, just swap them. They manage to keep the led lit up for 275 days ... that is about 275 times more ... without recharging any of them.
Te reason for swapping them is to prevent their depletion beyond any damage, while the set in series lose the charge to keep the led at same intensity of light. So, at regular time interval they are swap sets from series to parallel and parallel to series and we can see that the apparent discharged batteries after cycle their position in circuit maintain the charge with extremely low loss.
Also I may have another explanation for the phenomena which might just be complementary to my theory. Always in any ultra efficient (possible ou) device a diode is employed which may act in different way additional to what a diode is supposed to do. Also apparent negative resistance plays an important role if the electricity is replenished from local environment as I claim is happening in series-parallel batteries setup and I hope I can prove it.
And depend if the load is being seen as a short or just a passage when a return path to storage for electricity is offered.
I now is difficult to acknowledge and accept, even if someone understand what I am saying.
Also if we agree that electricity is recycled that means the load only have an apparent "consumption" otherwise is nothing left to recycle. And also makes me think that it might be no consumption at all when powering an led in this way and depletion of batteries after 275 days it might just be due to self discharge, but that is another theory.
And I'm going to say something that may upset some people even more: I don't care from where energy is coming from or if my theory is correct or wrong as long as after test the conclusion is I / we can power whatever we want and there is no depletion or extremely low depletion of batteries.
Walter Russell's Optical Dynamo generator had only copper coils around iron cones. Shaped as two vortices colliding head-on.
https://www.philosophy.org/russell-optic-dynamo-generator.html#/
This device employed Nature's 'up-hill' process of generation by power multiplication.
Cheers,
wlw
https://youtu.be/jqjB4xctEqU?si=b8V62cd0bgiUvD3w
Leds work in connection negative to negative O0
Quote from: Classic on 2023.11.01, 10:37:25
https://youtu.be/jqjB4xctEqU?si=b8V62cd0bgiUvD3w
Leds work in connection negative to negative O0
Come on Classic, seriously?
PW
Quote from: picowatt on 2023.11.01, 10:52:57
Come on Classic, seriously?
PW
Why don't you try yourself to see if we are right or wrong ?
Quote from: Classic on 2023.11.01, 13:30:29
Why don't you try yourself to see if we are right or wrong ?
When someone states that the unremarkable and quite expected current readings are contrary to "all the textbooks", one has to wonder exactly which textbooks he refers to.
He was definitely not referring to a first year textbook on basic electricity...
PW
Well, not everyone is so advanced, I have explained my hypothesis of why this is happening but you are welcome to throw yours as well, maybe you have a better understanding of phenomenon
Quote from: Classic on 2023.11.01, 15:02:27
Well, not everyone is so advanced, I have explained my hypothesis of why this is happening but you are welcome to throw yours as well, maybe you have a better understanding of phenomenon
An introductory book on basic electricity is considered "advanced"?
Other than the youtuber claiming the measured current flow goes against all the textbooks, there is nothing remarkable or unexpected in the video.
PW
Classic,
i have to concur with Picowatt, the circuit in that (yours?) video shows nothing abnormal, It's how current flows through a circuit.
So i wonder what school the author of that video went to.
A led is not a good indicator for eyeballing the amount of current flowing through it, as it seems that 3.4mA and 100mA does not show much difference (on video) but there is a difference.
Look up "VI curve of a led" on google and see how it behaves.
Also use a simulator like the free LTspice and set up this simple circuit and see that it matches what is shown in that video (normal behavior).
Itsu
You guys missed the whole point or, maybe I wasn't clearer enough. His original setup was running for 275 days, now this setup has been "improved" by adding a second LED. A green LED ! In his previous vids showed that the green LED takes even less power than any other colour of LED.
Now, by adding this green LED from negative to negative of 2 sets of batteries energy saving is even better than before and not less as we could expect having 2 LEDs instead of just 1.
And, honestly if anyone can show me any text book where it says that swapping parallel set with series set of batteries let you consume at least 10 more power from the same batteries without charging them, i'll eat my hat.
OR, if it is normal, maybe someone is so kind to explain me why all electric/electronic devices are powered different and exhaust the batteries at least 10 times faster.
Quote from: Classic on 2023.11.01, 19:15:54
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Now, by adding this green LED from negative to negative of 2 sets of batteries energy saving is even better than before and not less as we could expect having 2 LEDs instead of just 1.
...
Classic,
The green LED was connected between a positive and a negative. If you follow the current around the loop, all is normal.
Using "conventional" flow for simplicity, +5 from the somewhat depleted series string of four alkalines, thru the white LED which provides around 2 volts or so of Vdrop, connected to the positive terminal of the 4 somewhat depleted alkaline batteries in parallel provides another Vdrop of 1.2 volts. Open circuit voltage between the negative terminal of the parallel set of batteries and the negative terminal of the series string of batteries now at +1.8volts, which is the voltage applied across green LED when it is connected and the loop closed.
LED Vdrop (actually referred to as Vforward) is current dependent so numbers given are approximate. The rather high internal resistance of the somewhat depleted batteries is what is limiting current (thankfully).
PW
And next level applied https://youtu.be/VDvu78ll-Hs?si=oGHmnI0HO1d-GOhu O0
And another one with explanations and clear circuit diagram https://youtu.be/ng-Xu4foAic?si=7XZOp91mRJKVEB0P
Some people do get mad when someone deny the truth and push the accepted limits >:-) just in spite of the naysayers.
I would like to see any mainstream science explanation and why we don't use this instead of all obsolete setups that bigco and gov want us to follow
It just make me think what would be the outcome if such setups in order of thousands will be exhibit at front steps at NASA, CERN and any relevant institutions around the world ? When they keep saying we cannot have any free energy.
Also would be nice if "just stop oil" movement and some other similar groups would use such devices or similar when they hold pubic protests.
Or if Gretha Thunberg would hold in her hands such devices at public protests.