Hi Guys :)
Okay so i went on a virtual trip around the demo house :)
I also looked for EM'svideo about his trip to the mansion but it isn'ton utube anymore...
Anyway, i found it is possible to look at the back of the demo house by simply following the road that is just behind it.
This is S Fairmont Blvd.
I took a look because somebody recently said the powerlines were no too close to the house and i think they are.
He said they had rules for that in the USA but these things are basically in peoples backyard...
The field strength is at least .4 microtesla in a 65Meter circle and i think the house is actually much closer....
I took some shots so you can see for yourself.
By the way, Steven said that the noise comming from our amplifiers was actually travelling back into the mains...
So i concluded the powerlines are the worst case scenario of frequencys because all people are feeding their noise back into the grid.
This noise is much higher in frequency then the normal power wave and so devices that are tuned to this noise would indeed be much smaller.
I did go out and to take measurement around powerlines but the frequencys i measured were diffrent on diffrent time of day and so i am going to plot a chart of measurements around the clock....
This would also result in variations of power output and thus it needs to be a variable tunning device....
Marco.
:)
And this is from the back :)
:) :)
Thanks for all the work connecting the TPU Odyssey to powerlines.
Proving that the source of energy for a TPU is power lines would totally negate everything Spherics posted. My gut feel is that this is not the case.
(Powerline coupling has been accomplished and there are laws against it in the US.)
Heres a chart of the field around a 220Kv line.
these powerlines are trunk feeds are they not? They'd be stepped down etc.. before reaching people's homes.. would the feedback from noisy end-users reach these lines?
Is the field strength strong enough to couple to power lines from where SM's demo house is?
What is the proposed frequency that these devices are coupling to? Is it possible to couple to that frequency at the proposed range?
Im leaning towards tpu=wireless power reciever/EM Coupling device but lets be sure that this would have been possible for SM.
JD also mentions the device was demo'd at a mini mall.. Any idea which mini mall? Was a specific model of TPU demo'd there? What frequency was he coupling to there if so? Are there high tension lines near by this mini mall as well?
I think we should answer all these questions before making any rash decisions about TPU's
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Also... Earth's magnetic field has a frequency... Why cant we EM couple to this?
Consider this:
If the utilities are "leaking" that much energy along the length of the lines, we should be paying enormous electric bills to make up for the losses. But losses along the length of the line are well known and available in the literature. Less than five percent and mostly joule losses.
Unless you are saying that when a radio transmitter is pumping energy into the ether, it is very low unless there is someone to receive it? And that if I am receiving a lot of radiated energy, it is witnessed on the plate current meters of the transmitters as an increase.?
Talking radiated power here, not energy absorbed at the end of a transmission line
I have not known this to be true. You can't have it conveniently both ways. One assumption has to be in error.
When anyone can pull a kilowatt of radiated power at a reasonable distance, say 100 feet from the utilities, please show how and include formula for radiation losses in AC power transmission, field strength etc. Not talking lighting a few LED's which is easy.
Quote from: ION on 2010.01.19, 13:50:57
Consider this:
If the utilities are "leaking" that much energy along the length of the lines, we should be paying enormous electric bills to make up for the losses. But losses along the length of the line are well known and available in the literature. Less than five percent and mostly joule losses.
Unless you are saying that when a radio transmitter is pumping energy into the ether, it is very low unless there is someone to receive it? And that if I am receiving a lot of radiated energy, it is witnessed on the plate current meters of the transmitters as an increase.?
Talking radiated power here, not energy absorbed at the end of a transmission line
I have not known this to be true. You can't have it conveniently both ways. One assumption has to be in error.
When anyone can pull a kilowatt of radiated power at a reasonable distance, say 100 feet from the utilities, please show how and include formula for radiation losses in AC power transmission, field strength etc. Not talking lighting a few LED's which is easy.
Okay so i want to know where you got those numbers ,as i have been reading examples where in from the 100% they put in only as little as 30% reaches the end station....
In my oppinion it is radiated RF due to all the switching noise generated by all the appliances on the line , the worst case scenario of frequencies.
Marco.
http://sites.energetics.com/gridworks/grid.html (http://sites.energetics.com/gridworks/grid.html)
Okay so say the losses are only 10% then we are still talking about 10% of 2Gigawatt that is divided over the length of the line...
10% is still a huge amount :)
In fact 1Kw is almost nothing compared to the losses and even if it was only 1% it still would be quite a lot of energy.
Marco.
So, the statement by SM that TPU were tested in an aircraft at 15000 feet and found to operate normally, must be false as it blows the powerline theory straight to Hell.
I'll stick to reaction forces and cavitating pairs out fo the void.
We did not see any video on that and they guy said MANY MANY MANY things....
Nor have we seen video of hundred of watts coupled from power lines, much less 1 or 2 Kw's
Also, how does coupling from power lines provide for the inertial effect? or the runaway effect?
EDIT:
http://www.howtogetfreeelectricity.com/
On a more serious note (assuming this is legitimate):
http://hacknmod.com/hack/field-of-fluorescent-tubes-powered-by-ambient-current/
G that really works, we did it a few years back with a t-12 bulb but we had to use a six foot fine wire and a mylar baloon, dirt needs to be wet as well
No need to do that Grumpy.
That results in endless discussion you should know that.
We need somebody to measure the peaks (which i already did), then build the correct resonant coil and go back to find out exactly how much power can be pulled....
That was on my to do list but i am currently working on a more prommesing project as you might know. :)
So untill someone actually tries to attach some real power to this theory it has no use to discuss it any further.
Marco.
Hello all,
found you all here. I hope that Im just a little bit welcome.
@EM
what about to "connect" the TPU to the "wheel of nature" instead of connecting it to the power lines?
We want limitless energy or not?
Otto
@EM
I have seen your videos. Good work but....maybe to summarise what youre doing?
If my memory and eyes serves me you have a pickup coil that picks up the "radiation" from the wires in a wall and this is then again picked up with another coil that is in resonance with the 1. - pickup coi and then the LED is lightedl......I hope I dont wright a s..t.
Otto
No limitless energy here....
Quote from: Phantasm on 2009.12.30, 07:22:07
these powerlines are trunk feeds are they not? They'd be stepped down etc.. before reaching people's homes.. would the feedback from noisy end-users reach these lines?
Hi PH how are you today?
When installing electrical equipment on larger commercial projects, and nowadays even some of the smaller projects, builders are requiring their own PFCC control cabinet. If the business doesn't install this on their own, the utility company will install theirs on the line and then the customer pays for the correction.
I would have to say the utility companies are aware of whats going on.
And as far as power lines being stepped down yes they are stepped down to 2400/4160Y in some cases, which has been around for years. Then you have the 7200/12470Y which is the new standard voltage for neighborhoods. Outside of the city almost all lines are 7200 that connect to homes.
2400/4160Y Simply means each line to ground is 2400 volts. And when 2 lines are touched to each other then you get 4160 volts. The Y is the configuration of the windings in the transformer. You can have a Delta or a Wye. Once the voltage hits the transformer on the pole or in the big green transformer boxes you see in the alleys it is then converted back to a Delta configuration again this is determined by the winding configuration of the transformer itself.
Odds are if you are in an old established neighborhood in the city or suburbs, you have the 2400/4160Y. However if you live in an area with a lot of growth, odds are you have the 7200/12470Y.
I personally seriously doubt any coupling was being done in a neighborhood unless a substation was very close by. Or a high voltage transmission line was very close.
This in contrast to the UK is much less. While they started systems at 3300 volts phase to ground and progressed to 6600 then finally 11,000 volts phase to phase. Which today is the most common distribution voltage in the UK. One major difference in the US verses the UK is the UK uses one large substation full of transformers to serve an entire neighborhood. 2MW is not uncommon. On the other hand in the US the utility companies tend to mount transformers closer to the customers, like on poles or in the green boxes. Closer to the customer is a better design.
When I was a kid we took 8 foot fluorescent lamps and drove to the substation and they would light up if you walked close enough to the fence around the substation. but would go out as soon as you started walking away. Coupling is possible but I doubt SM was coupling to a neighborhood power line.
Now to address the high voltage transmission lines. The common voltages in the US are 138, 230, 345, 500, and 765 KV's. I believe the highest operating voltage is around 1.1MV in Russia. Anything less than 110KV is considered sub transmission voltage. Anything over 230KV is considered extra high voltage. Only substations see any of this high voltage. Primary customers who use large amounts of electricity are limited to 13,600 volts and less. Homes are limited to 240 volts. There are a few exceptions which can receive up to 69,000 volts directly from the substation.
In order to work on the high voltage and extra high voltage lines without turning them off, the worker wears a special suit which looks like chainmail armour and the person is actually charged up to the same voltage as the wires, along with the helicopter he is using for transportation. Once this occurs he can touch the wires without sizzling and popping right there on the spot!. lol Once he makes the repair he simply discharges and can return to the ground.
Have Fun 8)
Something to think about.
Oh boy it's even closer then i was thinking from using streetview....
Thanks EM !
This seriously adds to my thinking.
25 Meter is quite close compared to the 65 Meter i had in mind...
Marco.
PS these lines are about 20 Meters away from the demo room..... that is no coincedence folks!
Quote from: EMdevices on 2010.01.21, 02:53:35
here's some rough estimates
From my research I get about 3.3 volts at a distance comparable to the street in front of the mansion, but I'm only using 200 Volts on the wires. If we do the math, and things scale linearly as theory tells us, at 2000 V I should get 33 volts, and at 20 kV I should get 330 volts, and at 200 kV I should get 3.3 kV.
Something to think about.
That's just the voltage. What about usable "power" this far from the wires?
Quote from: Grumpy on 2010.01.21, 13:41:00
this far from the wires?
This Far????????? Are you insane??????
TWENTY METER !!!
That Ain't FAR and anybody who think's that it's just coincedence that there is a 2 Gigawatt READ 20000000000 Watt powerline rushing by at 20 Meter from a free energy device demo location .......
Marco.
Quote from: Turbo on 2010.01.21, 15:36:51
Quote from: Grumpy on 2010.01.21, 13:41:00
this far from the wires?
This Far????????? Are you insane??????
TWENTY METER !!!
That Ain't FAR and anybody who think's that it's just coincedence that there is a 2 Gigawatt READ 20000000000 Watt powerline rushing by at 20 Meter from a free energy device demo location must be a complete idiot.
Marco.
Only an "idiot" would so wholeheartily believe that the TPU is powered by overhead transmission lines. Farmers used to do this with huge coils of wire - they get a little power but not kw's.
Twenty Meters.
I'm Done.
Quote from: Turbo on 2010.01.21, 17:17:31
Twenty Meters.
I'm Done.
Done? Then show us the kilowatts!
(The more I look into this crazy idea, the more absurd it becomes.)
EDIT:
Magnetic Fields Measurement and Evaluation of EHV Transmission Lines in Saudi Arabia(better off wrapping a coil around a TV set)
I leave conclusions and interpretations to the reader.
http://www.who.int/entity/peh-emf/meetings/archive/en/paper16bakhashwain.pdf
Tone it down guys.
Disagree on opinions, but please don't denigrate.
Thanks,
.99
My science teacher did an experiment in his shed ( he lived beside power lines ) where he wrapped a 350 small block with a huge amount of copper wire and was only able to weakly light a 15w bulb .
I think to get the kind of power the tpu displayed would require tuning into a great number of the harmonics present on that power line... but I still dont think you could do it with a few pounds of wire..
The ONLY work I can prove the TPU has ever done was to cause me to grow a new brain.
But with that new brain I think it is doing more than reactively coupling with a power line.
Just my opinion..
If powerline coupling would be possible and relatively easy then these devices would be all over the internet by now.
The law has never stopped people before.
Spider
Yes but then you would have to rent or buy a house near such a line in order to use it... :)
Grumpy,
I am with you personally. I do not believe you can extract as much power as is claimed by coupling in the way people are suggesting. I can get thousands of volts by rubbing my feet on the carpeting, doesn't mean anything. The most work I ever did with that high voltage was to shock my dog on the nose and it made him move. :) That was of course only one dog power, which is much less than a horse power. hehe
I agree with Spider, if this was what was really going on, there would be devices for sale on the internet all over the place. Just like the devices to slow your electric meter down. The laws would not stop anyone.
The claim has been made, now it is time for those making the claim to reproduce the effects. That is the next logical step. If they can then my hats off to them and I will gladly applaud them for their fine work. However if it is just a theory, and nothing is done, it will remain a theory. And one I personally do not agree with.
Have Fun 8)
"Fiction writing is great, you can make up almost anything"
@EMdevices
Great work indeed and regardless of how this plays out, it is our global responsibility to look openly at all the angles. In this regard I have a few questions.
1) In your videos of the rings with LED, is this really working only with the electric wires in the room walls, or are you using a special transmitter.
2) Has anyone else been able to make such a ring.
3) Will you provide a clear methodology of making the ring.
4) You responded to one of my questions recently about winding a control coil around the ring to see how it will effect the ring performance when the control coil is open or shorted. You indicated that when shorted the ring did not work. OK, now considering that the SM TPUs do have control coils, how d you think this is possible if the energy is coming from the HV lines. Have you tried shorting the CC but with the ring right next to the house electrical wires to see if it will work if the ring is very close to the source.
Thank for any response and all the best.
wattsup
@EM
Thanks for your reply.
So if I understand this well enough, this "magnifier" is required to make the ring work. If that is the case, then we obviously do not have anything to do with this device and we will just wait for your further information. That is once you have assessed the patentability, although I fail to see any reasoning about that. The problem now becomes, if we help in this regard to further study, why should we if you only want to patent this, sort of seems like a self defeating cause.
Then I would have to ask what is the point in telling guys here the answer is in the HV lines when no one will know how to make your rings work. I guess all we have left to do is what we are doing now and that is to continue working in the orientations at hand. Full speed ahead since there are obviously to many other factors that can play into a working TPU. lol
But it is totally possible that none, including your present orientation is fully responsible for the TPU functions, but that your discovery and others to come are only natural progressions of mind expansion that happens when you look at one thing for a very long time. You may not see the true underpinning but you will discover other things either by accident or more likely by trial and error.
All the best. So we will wait and see.
wattsup
That has been your solid plan EM so keep up the good work. (you should let us at lease see the magnifier) I have a question for you! You are tapping into low freq. so why not go for earths natural 7.8hz?
@EM
Thanks again for your kind reply. You know I was not trying to be harsh. It is just that we are all working on, or should be working on our own things and given that, we need good reasons to look in other directions such as your orientation which does have some valid basis.
When you were playing with two loops, one would light the other almost like a magnifying glass will focus the suns rays on one point, the effect is very interesting.
I am thinking OK, FTPU, two loops, top and bottom, but again they have CC over them, but we know CC over loop is not good.
So let me understand this again. The available energy is a constant ambient switching of the north/south fields coming from the AC lines in the house all relative to any stable point in space. The loops can catch the switching polarities. But even these loops will become deflective once energized with the switching fields. Like when you close a circuit, the initial jump in inrush current will happen then settle off, the same thing must be happening with the loops to a certain point. If you hold the loop out of the influence zone then quickly put the loop into the switching field in a fraction of a second, you should see an inrush and a settling. So what if the CC is basically used to be a magnetic reset medium that is wound over the loop. All you need to do is close the CC winding, with no energy really required in the CC. Just the fact that it is wound over the loop is enough to do the job. So instead of pulsing the loop, you pulse open/closed CC with no energy inside the CC, just the open and closed potential change should be enough. That would put the loop in a constant current inrush situation, like squeezing a hose. The CC at closed is squeezing which is more of a magnetic reset, the CC open is letting the loop breath again.
Then consider the center toroid. If you can make your magnifier work with a center toroid, then your transmitter is now portable and would be additive to the ambient energy that provides the seed power for the whole system to run.
So now you know why I am so interested in your loops but have not been able to make one work myself. If I had two of these loops, the above would be my next moves.
Keep up the good work.
Hello all,
@wattsup
you said ...."but we know CC over loop is not good."
It seems that I missed something.
My question is WHY is a CC over a loop not good??
Otto
@wattsup
QuoteJust the fact that it is wound over the loop is enough to do the job. So instead of pulsing the loop, you pulse open/closed CC with no energy inside the CC, just the open and closed potential change should be enough. That would put the loop in a constant current inrush situation, like squeezing a hose. The CC at closed is squeezing which is more of a magnetic reset, the CC open is letting the loop breath again.
I believe you have the right idea, in the early 1900's an experimenter attached a 1000' wire to a balloon and at the bottom of this wire was a switch that was opened and closed quickly to ground the wire. A few miles away was another 1000' wire attached to a balloon, this wire had a small bulb between the wire and ground and every time the switch was cycled in one wire the bulb on the other wire miles away would light. We can assume many things as to where energy may enter our circuits but in this example it should be noted that there were no radio stations at the time as such the energy was not from a man made source. Some of the first telegraph stations used this very same effect of intermittently grounding long conductors in which case no man made external power is needed. It should also be noted that domestic power has a frequency of 60 Hz with a wavelength of 5000Km as such a small loop of wire could only intercept a small amount of power as the magnitude of change is very small. Consider a typical sine waveform 5000 Km long, any very small portion of that wave could be considered as nearly flat thus the magnitude of change is small, as well this 5000 Km wave will induce a potential difference in each side of a loop of wire thus they will cancel each others effects on the horizontal plane and the induced power is now a function of the phase difference between the sides of the wire loop which is a product of the loop diameter.
Regards
AC
@otto
This is based on what @EM said about some of my questions regarding his ambient HV loop/led I asked what would happen if he wound a control coil around the loop and he said he tried it. When the CC was simply shorted, the loop lost its ability, and that this was a very normal effect expected since the CC's own induction causes a potential on its own over the loop. But this is exactly great to know that you can cause such a change with only shorting a non energized control coil. This means easy non-destructive switching is possible.
You see, since @EM is working the HV theory, he will still need to explain the reason for Control Coils, given that he now knows a shorted CC kills the loop, that CC has to be used in another way to make his theory still valid.
My own test with FTPU ring/CCs indicates that the coupling level is very high, almost 1:1, when DC pulsed, so I would expect the same coupling level regardless of the energy used.
I have also tried lately with @agentgates Rodin coil wind idea with two winds over the ring and this did nothing more, but I will try it again in a few other variations just to make sure. lol
Sometimes one little change makes all the difference in results. If you take the @EM loop idea and match to @agentgates idea, then this could work in reverse. An outer @EM loop wound over a Rodin coil. As ambient energy is received in the @EM loop, it induces current in the Rodin coil. Or the Rodin coil could be used like the @EM loop. All these are logical possibilities but I cannot test any of them without a working @EM loop. lol So I just continue what I am already doing. lol
@AC
That is a very interesting effect. But there may be a difference here with a loop versus a straight wire, since a loop could be considered infinite length. I don't really know for sure. but in my view, the @EM loop is working simply because the north/south fields alternate over the loop, Most probably at the AC fields blotch wall is the only place where you have a chance of physically seeing the north/south close enough together to simultaneously act on the loop, this induces a current in the loop but it also changes the polarity positions on the loop, and if it does that, then it is actually re-biasing the loop at each cycle. Now if a CC could cause the loop to demagnetize when shorted, then there should be some great ways to play around with this since you would be in a great position to maximize ambient inrush current. But first you need a functional @EM loop, something I do not have at this point so all we can do is give some ideas to @EM as furtherance.
Something like, wind a cc over the @EM loop. Take a small small transistor. Put the cc through the collector/emitter. Splice a wire onto the @EM loop and connect the other end to the transistor base. As the loop collects ambient power, it supplies an impulse to the transistor base that connects the cc that neutralizes the @EM loop, that releases the base, that re-energizes the @EM loop, etc, etc. You may need a capacitor in there somewhere to hold the base for the 60 hertz frequency period, that I don't know for sure.
Nice work EM.
It is still fairly directional I imagine?
So what's the next step?
.99
Quote from: EMdevices on 2010.01.31, 05:36:48
@wattsup
you don't need a "magnifier" to make this work just magnetic fields. Anybody can experiment similarly to what I'm doing. Simply stated I'm researching:
EMdevices may have a point?
Take a look at this:
http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat3434678.pdf
"Microwave to DC Converter" (7pp)
All you need in the patent above is a long wire and a full wave diode bridge. If power grid lines are close enough, that is. For distant rural county locations, you should need a lot more wire, since 50/60 Hz power line mains aren't conveniently nearby.
--Lee
EMdevices - these figures are unloaded i am guessing! no bulb in the socket?
great work marco !
and everyone!!
i think marcos work is quite valid ! but THE GRID IS GOING TO CRASH AND BURN ... FACT !
ANOTHER FACT IS ... you can tune into the emp waves emmited from the sun .. aswell
you can tune the same deal to geographical locations .. via sclar ... you need the right angle on the coil ...
but i do side with grumpy .. they are self sustained devices ...
IST
to tap overhead lines 1/4 wave of 60 hz or 50 hz depending where you live ... power lines are primary .. coil secondary
marco the rays emmited from the PLH are like the northern lights .. or a human aura .. same deal ... :)
glad i can speek agin .. that other site ! man im telling ya ! TROLLS
GET A GARDEN IN THE GROUND .. IF YOU WANT TO REMAIN ALIVE ... dont think do ! im well underway now!
no power no stores to buy food !
FACT!
Quote from: IST on 2010.06.03, 00:06:12
you need the right angle on the coil ...
everyone overlooks this detail