This is it fellows ! the funeral will be held on friday, Closed casket!
Good riddens!!
From here
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=f4aad49abe298551619d02e6cf999204&topic=9720.msg275031#new
https://sites.google.com/site/alternativeworldenergy/shorting-coils-circuits
Chet
Well,
To me it looks simply like another way to step up the voltage to drive a high voltage load.
This is nonsense until some tests have been performed to prove that the battery does not drain. Put a 12V, 7 Ampere battery in there and lets see how long it lasts. Also, there is not much power required to drive that floating car axle once it reaches full rotation speed.
C'mon guys, this scheme has been tried 100 different ways, and so far they have all failed. This is yet another.
my .02.
.99
HHMMmmmmmmm.............
This one is for the "Humster"[who I happen to think is a cool guy]
http://panacea-bocaf.org/ismaelaviso.htm
Also
Douglas L. Konzen
Quote:
since it is so amazing, nobody believes it! I asked him what is the "ratio" of power increase, if you have like 100W system, and you put the MEG "onto" it, just so I could tell people, and he said it is 1000 times more power - and I said come on Ismael you have to tell something to people they will believe!! So just for fun I say it is 100times increase in power - but it is really way more than that....the doing the math on his older repelling force tech - it comes to about 1200HP blasts from a 9V battery 16 times....which is ridiculous nobody believes it...Hector thought there was rocket fuel in the videos and it was fake!
Chet
PS
1000 times? That should be easy to see on the bench? even the crude concept out lined by Mr. Konzen
In the above link should open eyes?
Poynt,
A car is a big thing to move,15 hp is not "Fleeting",
You see no new info in the posted links?[about 5 minutes to search thru]
Why don't you call Mr.Konzen?
Chet
A TPU or AVEC could run a car forever with no batteries, and you can use conventional motors and controls.
I met Doug Konzen one time. I don't believe he is easily fooled. IIRC Doug and Ismael approached a car manufacturer with the concept. I think this was Ismael's idea as he apparently still thinks car companies aren't controlled by the PTB. Bad idea and it didn't work out well but would he have even attempted this if he was just trying to scam them? I don't think so as a guy who is a microwave engineer (Ismael) with lots of other credentials too. I believe he has something real. I've seen the video where they are blasting something like over 2 pounds straight up some 30 feet and more. I just don't see how that would be possible unless he has tapped into something new and I believe that's what he has done. All speculation on my part but I think it will eventually be proven true.
ramset, is that schematic and info here https://sites.google.com/site/alternativeworldenergy/shorting-coils-circuits (https://sites.google.com/site/alternativeworldenergy/shorting-coils-circuits) supposed to be a circuit like Ismael used for blasting the weight skyward or is that just about the shorting coils effect? I don't know if the two are related but I heard Ismael was not open to showing how his circuit works. I know Doug has been talking a lot lately of the energy gain effects from shorting coils.
Edit: I got myself back up to speed a bit on this. I see now that the shorting coils with the right timing and capturing it on caps seems to be an important part of Ismael's concept.
I found this somewhere a while back but don't know where I got it from. It may give some idea of the essence of this concept.
The coil shorting business and the Ismael Aviso self-charging car are junk. The car is never going to go anywhere. Sterling Allen has absolutely no credibility.
Well MH,
We're not talking about Sterling's credibility here,
Its Ismael and Doug that are of interest!And of course the science that could be at work here!
Grumpy says something extraordinary happens when a coli is pulsed a certain way,
Richard {magna} is building factories for his thing,
Now we see these fellows............................................
OH, and of course there's Thanes deal.
This needs attention, a vetting of sorts!!
Chet
The email correspondence that Stefan posted on his website, detailed a jumping coil experiment that Ismael performs, let's analyze it.
Claim:
Weight of 1 Kg is repelled 30 ft (approx 10m) in the air about 16 times, using a 9 V battery that only drops in voltage 0.3 V (from 9 V perhaps)
Analysis:
Let's calculate the amount of energy expanded.
energy/jump = F*distance = m*a*h = (1 kg)*(9.8m/s^2)*(10 m) = 98 joules.
Energy after 16 jumps = 16 * 98 J = 1568 J
Let's calculate the energy in a typical 9 V battery. (reference this pdf: http://data.energizer.com/PDFs/522.pdf )
Let's assume a discharge rate of 100 mA, so the capcity is about 500 mAh as voltage drops 9 V to 4 V
energy in battery = V*I*t = (6.5 V) * (0.5 Ah) * (3600 s/h) = 11700 J
(Note: I'm not sure if I should use 9 volts or the average voltage, but using 9 volts would imply even more energy)
Conclusion:
I think he can continue to demonstrate those coil jumps another 100 times or so before his battery will discharge.
Funy how things are not so impressive when math is applied to the equation, but the experience of seeing a jumping coil is impressive, no doubt.
I'm not knocking this "invention" by any means, just doing some calculations.
EM
EM
The "Repulser" tech that Doug is refering to {For clarity to readers ,is Not what he uses to run the car}
should be able to lift a 1kg wt over 3000 ft on a 9v radio bat?
EM devices,
Quote:
I think he can continue to demonstrate those coil jumps another 100 times or so before his battery will discharge.
Perhaps this is one place where Doug seems to disagree?
Doug Quote:
the doing the math on his older repelling force tech - it comes to about 1200HP blasts from a 9V battery 16 times....which is ridiculous nobody believes it...Hector thought there was rocket fuel in the videos and it was fake!
Another interesting Doug Quote:
Also Ismael has the "repelling force" technology, which I have witnessed in Sweden of demos for SAAB execs - this alone is really super amazing - he can shoot a 1 kilo object in air (a coil) 30 ft in under a second and he dows it with a 9V battery and he can do it 16 times over and over and the battery will only drop around .3 V.....when I saw this, I wanted to throw all my stuff away....he has been doing the repelling force for awhile - he has some you tube videos showing it. Basically it is a coil vs coil
N agains N and pulse is super high frequency resonating pulse of 7500VDC discharge....dont know how he does it really but doesnt use invertor and is cascading DC and pickup winds "recycle" power back to where it came from plus he does coil-shorting in it too "somehow"
Chet
PS
Does anyone have these vids??
Chet:
You are an early bandwagon jumper onner but I give you credit because in the past I have seen you jump off just as quickly.
Doug quote:
Quotethe doing the math on his older repelling force tech - it comes to about 1200HP blasts from a 9V battery 16 times....which is ridiculous nobody believes it...Hector thought there was rocket fuel in the videos and it was fake!
Doug has got his units screwed up because you can't say a "1200 HP blast" because that implies an impulse, which is what it is, and impulses are measured in Joules, not Watts or HP. This is from a guy that has been playing with motors and batteries for years and I am not impressed.
Doug again:
QuoteAlso Ismael has the "repelling force" technology, which I have witnessed in Sweden of demos for SAAB execs - this alone is really super amazing - he can shoot a 1 kilo object in air (a coil) 30 ft in under a second and he dows it with a 9V battery and he can do it 16 times over and over and the battery will only drop around .3 V.....when I saw this, I wanted to throw all my stuff away....he has been doing the repelling force for awhile - he has some you tube videos showing it. Basically it is a coil vs coil
N agains N and pulse is super high frequency resonating pulse of 7500VDC discharge....dont know how he does it really but doesnt use invertor and is cascading DC and pickup winds "recycle" power back to where it came from plus he does coil-shorting in it too "somehow"
Under a second? That makes no sense at all. It is meaningless to say "under a second" in this context.
The battery dropping around 0.3 volts? What's that junk? Quoting battery voltage drops is meaningless data, something that I have stated hundreds of times.
7500 VDC and the power "recycling" smell of a con, just meaningless crap with no substance to make the pitch sound credible to unwitting nontechnical people.
QuoteGrumpy says something extraordinary happens when a coli is pulsed a certain way
Nothing extraordinary happens when you pulse a coil a "certain way." If you don't believe me ask Grumpy exactly what way and exactly what happens and ask for a demo.
Finally, Ismael wants to sell you magic water that has been "treated" with a magic electromagnetic resonance process and he wants to sell you magic magnetic bracelets:
From his web site:
QuoteThis Ismael Water was recently Discovered ( May 2007 ) After three years of painstakingly researched.
NO OVERDOSE OR TOXIN PROBLEM. THE ONLY PROCCESS DONE, WAS THE REMOVAL OF SULPUR AND CHLORINE RESIDUE OF THE WATER, BY MEANS OF ELECTROMAGNETIC ENERGY RESONANCE PROCCESS.
IT IS A DUPLICATION OF A 23,000 YEARS OLD SPRING WATER. MOST SCIENTIST BELIEVED OF ONE MAIN REASON, WHY PEOPLE LIVE LONGER MANY THOUSAND YEARS AGO, DUE TO THE QUALITY OF WATER THEY DRINK.
You will never regret it, rather you'll feel great after drinking this new amazing health discovery in 2007!!!
Now It is PROVEN by thousand of people, that feel good or healed from many sickness after drinking ISMAEL WATER ( IW )
Most of the testimonies pertaining to its effectiveness happened in less than 7 days and some within just hours only.
Magnetic Therapy proven to boost the delivery of oxygen and mineral of Ismael Water into the body cell to power up the immune system and fast detoxification of the body.
The immediate manifestation (boosting of oxygen and minerals) will be proven in less than one minute. A person
after drinking Ismael Water and wearing magnetic therapy can lift heavy load more than His/Her capacity.
RUN FOR THE HILLS! This whole thing is 100% garbage.
MileHigh
Hi Chet,
as you probably know, most batteries have internal resistance that make them inefficient under high current drain.
For example, a 1 ohm internal resisitance and 1 amp draw, will drop the battery terminal voltage by 1 Volt. This wastes 1 watt and delivers 8 watts to the load. (assuming a 9 V battery)
As an exageration, drawing 9 amps will obviously drop the voltage to 0, and this occurs if you short the battery, and then all power will be dissipated inside the battery, in it's internal resistance. By the way, this internal resistance is a function of amperage and other factors.
Now, the question that beggs an answer is: how can we extract the most energy from a battery?
The answer obviously is to drain it very very slowly. Assume I drain the battery mentioned above at 1 mA. The power dissipated internaly is I^2 * R = 0.001^2 * 1 = 1e-6 watts, or 1 micro-watt. The battery will be putting out approximatley 9 mW to the load, and efficiency would be (9e-3 - 1e-6) / (9e-3) = 99.99%
If we have those kinds of efficiencies then we can utilize most of the energy in a battery, and there is a whole lot in there, but obviously we have some issues to deal with, like draining very little current from a battery can take a VERY LONG TIME to "get at" all that energy stored in there.
So we have a TIME vs. EFFICIENCY constraint !
So, I believe Ismael is slowly charging up a capacitor to very high voltage (7500 V) and then discharging into the coils. This is a very basic experiment done in most physics classes, and if he is smart I'm sure he recycles some of the unused kickback energy as well.
Now, the power quoted as 1200 Hp is not something to be amazed at, because of the discharge duration. Here's some more amazing numbers for you.
Charge a 20 uF capacitor to 1000 volts => energy content = 0.5*C*V^2 = (10e-6) * (1000)^2 = 10 Joules
Now, discharge the capacitor into a short circuit, with minimum inductance, so that the caps discharge in let's say 100 nS, then the power flow would be approximated as: Jouls/sec = 10/1e-7 = 100 Mega Watt = 133,333 Horse power.
So you see, it's realy the duration of the discharge and how quickly you can discharge the capacitors.
Now, on a different note. The technology discussed by Ismael, i.e. shorting and unshorting the generator coils at the peak of the induced voltage is very interesting. From a circuit point of view it's not that amazing, but from a magnetic point of view it could be the key to some power extraction via resonance from the magnets or the magnetic field itself. That's why I say that I'm not down playing the concepts, just doing some math.
Now here's my idea for an electric vehicle. Use the best batteries you can get for the price alloted for the project. Then use a magnetic flywheel as the high power buffer, and slowly ramp up the flywheel so you have lots of power available for acceleration, then you will feel like you are driving a sports car with only perhaps one battery on board. Because now you can accelerate like mad, and also break hard, and when you do, you will dump a lot of power back in the flywheel and it can take it, but the batteries can not, or rather have limits and your energy will be wasted. So the limitations for the electric vehicles, as far as performance, is realy the amount of POWER that they can handle, NOT ENERGY necessarily. Energy capacity playes a part in HOW FAR, you can travel, and of course that is something to consider.
Hope that sheds some light on what I was talking about. Please keep us posted on anything new.
EM
EMdevices,
I sincerely appreciate you taking the time to explain that !
You are truly a patient and kind man .[as well as a very smart fellow].
I hope there will be more to come with Ismael !
@MH
As always you make some very salient points.
And yes these trouble me also.
However I ain't jumpin off this one ,Theres something going on here?
Ismael ,Richard Willis ,Thane Heins [I know "SCAMMERS" and "Meter Illiterates"]
Hopefully this Ismael will share a bit more?
Thanks Fellahs
Chet
Chet:
Just don't send anybody any money and you will be fine.
I have a bonus rebut, something I missed:
QuoteONE MAIN REASON, WHY PEOPLE LIVE LONGER MANY THOUSAND YEARS AGO
Duh! PEOPLE LIVED SHORTER LIVES MANY THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO.
MileHigh
MH
No points for you in the bonus round!!
Heathen,everybody Knows [that reads the bible]they lived almost 1000 yrs [back in the day].
HHMMmmm..... I might be thirsty?
Chet
Quote from: ramset on 2011.02.18, 02:53:31
MH
No points for you in the bonus round!!
Heathen,everybody Knows [that reads the bible]they lived almost 1000 yrs [back in the day].
HHMMmmm..... I might be thirsty?
Chet
That is before the Almighty purged the canopy. Now we have greater levels of radiation hitting the surface and ionizing the chemical make up of the ionosphere. I smell flesh burning...
A glimpse into the minds and belief systems of our fellow forum members is always enlightening. Thank you. :)
Humbugger
Some more hole poking in the the story for fun. I am pulling up quotes from the PESwiki article:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Ismael_Aviso_Self-Charging_Electric_Car (http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Ismael_Aviso_Self-Charging_Electric_Car)
Quoteone 12-volt battery is all that is needed, because his vehicle is not running from the storage capacity of the battery, but the battery is merely serving as the delivery point for the energy that is being harvested from unseen energy all around us through his special circuitry.
I've heard that story before.
QuoteSecondly, at the end of the demonstration, the voltage on the battery was 13 -- higher than the rated 12.6 volts for the stock battery.
The good old battery voltage fetish strikes again. The battery could have heated up from use, causing the increased no-load voltage due to the chemical reactions being more robust at a higher temperature. Sterling has to know battery voltage is not a relevant indicator of anything at this point in his free energy reporting career, so he is intentionally ignoring this. I think the user Hoppy once posted a link to a good primer on batteries that discussed these issues in detail.
QuoteAviso said that this is made possible by an antenna that receives energy from signals in the range of 750 megahertz to 1.2 gigahertz.
Any radio-frequency design engineer would be ROTFLOL after reading that nonsense.
QuoteHe says that once he tunes his device to the proper resonance, "any signal within that range will be collected to boost the power of the battery", enabling one battery to power his vehicle.
The resonance card gets played!
QuoteAviso did the demo in the garage because the weather was unpredictable.
Here is where you need to do some critical thinking. The car demo is just a charade. This guy is saying that he has a magic energy source. That's the real issue, the car itself is secondary. What he really should be doing is showing the guts of his free energy system on a bench and showing his measurements.
Repeat, it has absolutely nothing to do with the car. It's the alleged free energy guts in the engine compartment that count.Now let's juxtapose two quotes from the article:
#1:
QuoteHe said that his technology is ready for demonstration to qualified parties who are ready to help them move forward with the funding and expertise they need.
#2:
QuoteHe said that the equipment that will be required to measure the ambient frequencies around the device costs around $150,000.
So, the "technology" is obviously working because he can allegedly demonstrate it. He must be getting his free energy from the "ambient frequencies" if he is speaking the truth when he says that his technology is ready for demonstration. However, he apparently still needs
one hundred and fifty thousand dollars to buy test equipment to measure the frequencies that he already knows do the trick for him.
What test equipment could possibly cost $150,000??? When you look at his clips he seems to be getting along just fine without 150 grand worth of equipment.
If he just wants to "run tests" on a system that already works, why doesn't he just
rent some test equipment for a month for $5000.
QuoteIt's not A FREE ENERGY Car, due to antenna collect power from AMBIENT
The best ambient free energy generator is a clothes line. Put wet clothes on the line and then get dry clothes with no increase in electric bill.
AMBIENT power dries the clothes.QuoteNext design will be 100% looping. Self-sustain is not far; highly possible & almost there.
The "almost there" card gets played!
Jut loop some of your excess output power back to the input.
You are almost there!MileHigh
Quote from: MileHigh on 2011.02.18, 11:00:53
The "almost there" card get's played!
Jut loop some of your excess output power back to the input. You are almost there!
MileHigh
This one sounds like we don't need to worry about having aluminum skull caps installed on all of our heads.
That is, unless he gets it down to the geegahurts range. Then we are all in big trouble ;D
Hey,
7500 volts at 1.2Ghz wow there must be some unknown supplier of 'space diodes' out there.
I bet they come with pot or are these ones smoke free?
must get some, PMSL.
nice..........
So MH,
You smell a "Snake water" salesmen?
Well,Ever the realist,your arguements are quite sobering [bout the Mula}.
However I will look a little harder into this,I just like the shorted coil Thing![Cavitation and such]
I know you feel these guys can't do measurements properly ,and when your dealing with "Specks"
or "suspects" of energy, that minutiae measuring tech is a real pain!
We all know what its gonna take "Loopty LUUU"..........
And if he can run a car on a watch battery WHY WOULD HE NEED 150.000.00 BUCKS??
Perhaps he's greedy ?,Or just a business man?
If you make something that will work for nothing [motionless generation of power]
You have to plan in a "perishable" or "expendable" Or "planned obsolescence"
Looks like he spent a lot of bucks so far.
While Doug may feel what Ismael is doing is very complicated
I'm quite sure a couple fellahs from the Orient could get it figured real quick over a cup of tea!
And I'm also sure if there is an event that can cause "cavitation/chaos with a coil,we should be able to SEE something wierd that the learned eyes which Lurk here would notice!
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On another note RE:
Long life[very long]
In my opinion "a design feature".
If Evolution is the manifestation of Success, why hasn't it EVER improved to the form of Everlasting life?[don't tell me about the "Jelly fish"]
My body is rebuilding cells I just killed on my finger tips pounding away on the keyboard!
But they are not as good as NEW.
Nothing our bodies rebuilds is built to last forever ,even though you know it could be.
Its a design feature .
Perhaps the genome project will change that,or perhaps when we get there [making our own everlasting life]
Our Creator will say "Game Over"
who knows?
But I do know, we don't know everything about everything ,and I hope we never do!
Chet
PS
I also Know there is more to "energy" and how we can harvest it,
Thats why I'm here!
If we run a sine wave thru fwbr we get rms or 63%.
But in looking at 5 shorts ringing and chatter on the heigths and depths of his waves that would equate to a greater rectified voltage. Would it not produce dc? I think so. Now with the cavitation wouldnt that reversal create bemf to capture also? The more chaos one throws at a coil the more potential creation. I call it 'abusing the force between subatomic structures'. It is not exactly harmonic ringing but none the less there is ringing.
Harmonic ringing is the more graceful approach. But with his way the caps suck up all chaotic activity.
GK
Cavitation and Chaos =A shorted coil? Nature loves her order,and some have evolved to break the very boundaries of Nature,causing an event ,almost Extraterestrial [alien]!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKPrGxB1Kzc
I thank our creator for eyes to see and ears to hear,because every time I see this "I just know"
A manifestation of what can be done to the fabric that holds our world together,right in front of our eyes
I believe Ismael is also harvesting from an event!
Strange but true ,sort of like the other thing Q2 also shared.
A magnet moving at meters per second can cause a "Speed of light" Event!
Action reaction?
Ouch
Chet
I asked Bolt "HOW"?
His responce!
From here
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=9720.msg275299#new
bolt
RV is a teaching tool everyone needs to start somewhere. Here you learn that RF=RE as a simile where RF techniques are converted to Electrical Power engineering. Eventually it all comes down to RLC and tune tune and more tuning. Here you will learn the importance of VARS where standing waves and power factor zero equate to an infinite VSWR. Within the TPU its a triple frequency stacked co-linear 3 phase solid state RV tuned to create infinite VSWR or PF zero or standing wave condition of immense VARS. This creates a partial singularity device which creates compressed gravity due to the singularity and time compression. For a 1000 watt device the VARS within the device will be around 10KVAR's
You also notice that the "gurus" of our history all most always start with looped motor/generator systems then later it becomes a solid state design. Kapanadze is a fine example of this. If you have a generator where a moving magnet or coil is just replaced with a stationary magnet and coil except now you just pulse it. Then you find a way to extract the pulse without lugging. Several methods can be used such as switching the pulse into a load cap then disconnecting the source. Or using bifilar windings to prevent self induced magnetic fields. This is kapandaze trick. Or short on coil pulse peaks creates harmonics of much higher frequency and of greater energy then the source pulse. By using a simple high pass filter you can literally syhon off the HF energy without disturbing the LF source frequency provides an anti-lugging generator. Magnacoaster technology works exactly the same except is using Bloch Wall modulation on carrier frequency and the excess harmonics are pulled off using High pass filter. Other methods include switching flux paths and isolating the source after pulsing creates excess energy from ferromagnetic resonance of the iron goes OU. This produces a MEG transformer typical COP is around 3. Several people have done this from Bulgaria, Russians, Italians many people made this flux path switching MEGs and shown i/p about 1kw and providing about 3Kw o/p.
So here is the summary - there is nothing new under the sun its all basically what we already know but the tweaks are in the details. There is no need to work BLIND first accept that OU is real that takes most people about 10 years for the brain to activate. Then research the many methods and start building upon the things you know starting very small and make it bigger this is how Ismael made his electric car.
A morning Movie about "Shorting coils"and excess energy!
From "Romero UK"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGbPwXq13GI
From here
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10398.msg275313#new
Chet
Bolt again?
I was sure he would have been captured by now :D
Quote from: ramset on 2011.02.19, 14:08:44
A morning Movie about "Shorting coils"and excess energy!
From "Romero UK"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGbPwXq13GI
From here
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10398.msg275313#new
Chet
All that the boys have to do including yourself is actually understand how a coil works. That means stopping everything for a few weeks and researching online or in books and going over the material enough times until it sinks in. This "discovery" keeps on getting discovered over and over and over.
The reality is that the majority of people that experiment with coils in pursuit of over unity don't understand how they work. It's like a farmer trying to grow corn that doesn't realize that the rain and the sun are two of the key ingredients in getting a good crop.
MileHigh
Quote from: MileHigh on 2011.02.19, 14:47:44
All that the boys have to do including yourself is actually understand how a coil works. That means stopping everything for a few weeks and researching online or in books and going over the material enough times until it sinks in. This "discovery" keeps on getting discovered over and over and over.
LOL. I understand exactly how you feel MH. Every few months someone discovers that the resulting gas from electrolysing water will burn, and along with this 'discovery' comes all manner of uninformed claims!
Mh
So just for clarity,and simplicity ,If the volts go up the amps must go down![a DUH moment]
So if Romero gets a BIG voltage increase while maintaining amperage value,will you be Happy?
Romero has "skills"!!
Chet
You're not hitting the side of the barn Chet.
Quote Romero:
QuoteAs all can see, the coil connected direct is not putting enough power for the LED's. When the coil is shorted at the right peak time the coil sends back lots of power.I had it running in self power, charging the battery and running the system too.Having more reed switches in parallel will put more power out.
Nor is Romero hitting the side of the barn.
MileHigh
Voltage, Amperage, Henryage, Faradage, Wattage, Secondage, Joulage...when will it ever stop being so confusing? ;)
Humblubber
@All
Wow, Im really confused as well ----who should I believe?, on one hand I have the opinions of the critics here and on the other hand I have dozens of approved patents from multi-billion dollar corporations such as Toshiba, Mitsubichi, Samsung and GE which relate specifically to the technology referenced here. Maybe FarrahDay was right, it's all about being informed or rather the critics being misinformed as usual, maybe I can dig some of these patents out of the old tickle trunk for them. ;D
Regards
AC
MH
I do appreciate you tolerating my ignorance!,If you would venture into Chetty's world for a moment
I would appreciate it even more!
Cavitation and Chaos =A shorted coil? Nature loves her order,and some have evolved to break the very boundaries of Nature,causing an event ,almost Extraterestrial [alien]!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKPrGxB1Kzc
You see in Chetty's world, I think the above is an example of a "Burst" something has "Failed"or
Yeilded [profoundly obvious ]
If we could see this event on a Silly scope ,It would rise, peak and collapse.
The PEAK is where the "Event" takes place the 9900 C sonoluminescence etc
something very very intersesting is happening,
lt Bolo
Quote:
Take sonocavitation and associated sonoluminescence. Is that a thermodynamic event? I'm sure some would say yes, largely because they don't like the implications otherwise, but personally I think it isn't strictly so. More to the point, when we mechanically force a phase change rapidly against the normal order, the energy required gets drawn from somewhere, and when it collapses, the energy is released. A more mainstream view would suggest that for cavitation to occur, there is a spontaneous removal of heat in the area immediately surrounding the bubble. Perhaps, but I suggest that even more has been drawn than can be accounted for. When the bubble collapses, we get photon emissions...sonoluminescence...as the previously absorbed energy is returned faster than heat transfer can accommodate.
Phase change may be related to heat, but it is still about energy levels, which is ultimately about electrons. Since we know that changing phase and decelerating electrons can both emit photons, I think the two events are more closely linked
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Action and reaction, there should NEVER be more out than in!
Strange but true ,sort of like the other thing Quarktoo also shared.
A magnet moving at meters per second can cause a "Speed of light" Event!
Action and reaction??
Hmm..............
You see in my world if I were going to mess with a shorted coil,I would do it just as things are busting apart and trying to reform, The "Peak"!
Quote from Romero today
I am working on a solid state version to be able to short the coil multiple times at every peak of the wave.
The same principle can be used in many variants. I think that Kapanadze is using something similar.
My 12 volt Kapanadze replication was based on the same principle. At the time I was working on that setup I had it working without knowing and understanding all about it.
Recently I tried to replicate my Kapanadze setup and after many attempts was not working like the original one.After playing a lot with it I realized that if the SG shorting the coil is not at the peak of the wave then I get nothing extra.At one point Kapanadze was saying that once the principle is understood the it can be applied to any setup, electrical, mechanical,...
Success everyone!
RomeroUK
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And I do believe in Miracles...................
How its done
http://sites.google.com/site/alternativeworldenergy/shorting-coils-circuits
Chet
PS
Tell the Fat lady to sit down!
This show is just gettin started!
Quote from: ramset on 2011.02.19, 19:55:48
MH
I do appreciate you tolerating my ignorance!,If you would venture into Chetty's world for a moment
I would appreciate it even more!
Cavitation and Chaos =A shorted coil? Nature loves her order,and some have evolved to break the very boundaries of Nature,causing an event ,almost Extraterestrial [alien]!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKPrGxB1Kzc
You see in Chetty's world, I think the above is an example of a "Burst" something has "Failed"or
Yeilded [profoundly obvious ]
If we could see this event on a Silly scope ,It would rise, peak and collapse.
The PEAK is where the "Event" takes place the 9900 C sonoluminescence etc
something very very intersesting is happening,
lt Bolo
Quote:
Take sonocavitation and associated sonoluminescence. Is that a thermodynamic event? I'm sure some would say yes, largely because they don't like the implications otherwise, but personally I think it isn't strictly so. More to the point, when we mechanically force a phase change rapidly against the normal order, the energy required gets drawn from somewhere, and when it collapses, the energy is released. A more mainstream view would suggest that for cavitation to occur, there is a spontaneous removal of heat in the area immediately surrounding the bubble. Perhaps, but I suggest that even more has been drawn than can be accounted for. When the bubble collapses, we get photon emissions...sonoluminescence...as the previously absorbed energy is returned faster than heat transfer can accommodate.
Phase change may be related to heat, but it is still about energy levels, which is ultimately about electrons. Since we know that changing phase and decelerating electrons can both emit photons, I think the two events are more closely linked
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Action and reaction, there should NEVER be more out than in!
Strange but true ,sort of like the other thing Quarktoo also shared.
A magnet moving at meters per second can cause a "Speed of light" Event!
Action and reaction??
Hmm..............
You see in my world if I were going to mess with a shorted coil,I would do it just as things are busting apart and trying to reform, The "Peak"!
Quote from Romero today
I am working on a solid state version to be able to short the coil multiple times at every peak of the wave.
The same principle can be used in many variants. I think that Kapanadze is using something similar.
My 12 volt Kapanadze replication was based on the same principle. At the time I was working on that setup I had it working without knowing and understanding all about it.
Recently I tried to replicate my Kapanadze setup and after many attempts was not working like the original one.After playing a lot with it I realized that if the SG shorting the coil is not at the peak of the wave then I get nothing extra.At one point Kapanadze was saying that once the principle is understood the it can be applied to any setup, electrical, mechanical,...
Success everyone!
RomeroUK
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And I do believe in Miracles...................
How its done
http://sites.google.com/site/alternativeworldenergy/shorting-coils-circuits
Chet
PS
Tell the Fat lady to sit down!
This show is just gettin started!
Chet,
All of Quarkloser's talk about cavitation, sonoluminescence, short coils and extra energy, magnets and speed of light events, burst waves, trolls, spies, suppression, and just about everything else that guy spouts out through a keyboard is TOTAL BS.
He has been saying the exact same things for several years. The ideas do not grow or evolve in any way, he just keeps repeating them. IF he is so right about then why has no one, including himself built anything or even produced a single experiment that verifies he is correct?
He does it all for the hell of it. He had a forum once (mouserebellion.com) and he convinced several people that he had Meyer and Thane figured out, and when he failed to back it up, everyone knew he was a joke. Contrary to what he says about kicking everyone out, everyone left on their own accord.
Like Magluvin pointed out over "there", Q2 does know any more than anyone else, but he pretends to. Once he exposed as a poser, he'll go berserk, get banned, and come back as someone else.
If you are serious about Kapanadze, then try my circuit.
Quote from: allcanadian on 2011.02.19, 19:54:12
@All
Wow, Im really confused as well ----who should I believe?, on one hand I have the opinions of the critics here and on the other hand I have dozens of approved patents from multi-billion dollar corporations such as Toshiba, Mitsubichi, Samsung and GE which relate specifically to the technology referenced here. Maybe FarrahDay was right, it's all about being informed or rather the critics being misinformed as usual, maybe I can dig some of these patents out of the old tickle trunk for them. ;D
Regards
AC
Tickle Me Elmo! Is dey gittin' mo Wattage but less Secondage or is dey gittin mo acshull Joulage? From jis shortin' coils? Dang! Sahn me up!
Hambragger
Quote from: ramset on 2011.02.19, 19:55:48
MH
I do appreciate you tolerating my ignorance!,If you would venture into Chetty's world for a moment
I would appreciate it even more!
Chetty's World, I love it. No wonder we've always struggled to see eye to eye Chet - you're on another planet!
Come on then.... speak up.... who here dares venture into Chetty's World?
How do you get to Carnegie Hall?
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_do_you_get_to_Carnegie_Hall (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_do_you_get_to_Carnegie_Hall)
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/emcon.html#emcon (http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/emcon.html#emcon)
QuoteWho here dares venture into Chetty's World?
I will dare to venture as having seen the extraodinary in dual pulse protocol. Something comes from having 2 very quick pulses in close sequence. Same as manipulating the Bloch wall. O0
Ramset nailed it with other aspects. So many ways to achieve. Ismael jacks the field repeatedly in one spot. One of my tests did it with steel and copper. If memory serves me well it was Ramset's idea.
Just another example of the process.
Now what if you had 17" diameter coils at 5khz?
This is what i see happening in the "Romero" output coil.
As the magnet approaches the output coil voltage rises in the coil.
At the voltage maximum the coil is shorted with the reed.
As the magnet departs the reed switch opens and the pulse occurs.
So was the pulse:
1. High frequency energy trapped within the shorted conductor.
2. Magnetic energy trapped within the core material of the core.
3. Capacitive energy trapped between the coil as a plate and the core as a plate.
Any thoughts?
AHHhhhh
Nice to see every one havin fun [and I mean that] ,
This Romero Fellow plays at the Top of the OU food chain,I seriously doubt he doesn't understand what he's looking at!
Kiddy poos understand Voltage increases ,But amps decrease!
For once I feel that this will be vetted.
Grumpy, Mags wants to replicate your circuit ,Can I invite him here?will you help him replicate?
Chet
Chet:
It's very clear that Romero doesn't know what he is talking about.
I noticed that the following link that you previously referred to is from Doug Konzen, a.k.a.; "Konehead."
http://sites.google.com/site/alternativeworldenergy/shorting-coils-circuits (http://sites.google.com/site/alternativeworldenergy/shorting-coils-circuits)
QuoteNote the AC series cap in circuit - this will make it so the rotor will not slow or brake from lenz-law lugging during the filling of DC cap
The above statement is wrong.
QuoteA description of the purpose and function of this AC series cap is that it works like a "high bypass filter" - letting the high frequencies to pass right through, and charge cap, while blocking-out the lower end frequencies which will work to lug primary to higher amps draw.
Wrong in the context of this circuit. The cap is obliged to pass the low frequencies coming from the pick-up coil. He is repeating himself about no "lugging" or mechanical resistance seen by the spinning rotor and he is wrong one more time.
QuoteWhen coils are shorted in this manner to gain power output
Wrong, there is no gain in power output. I am assuming that he is implying here that some sort of over unity phenomenon is going on and he is wrong.
Quoteso the amplified energy from the coil-shorting NEEDS to go into a capacitor with no resistacne across it first
The energy isn't amplified, which is Doug implying an over unity phenomenon is taking place when it isn't. Wrong about the capacitor offering no resistance. As the capacitor charges up it starts to act like a progressively increasing resistance.
QuoteThe AC series cap if of correct UF value, will also work to prevent any lugging or extra draw to motor coils, or "primary" when coils hit load.
Wrong again. No matter what the value of the AC series cap, there will be lugging on the spinning rotor.
So my conclusion is that Doug Konzen doesn't know what he is talking about. That little circuit and setup that he shows in that link is a perfect demonstration of the conservation of energy in action, as is Romero's setup.
On the OU thread somebody posted this as another demo that supposedly supports the investigation:
QuoteHow pertinent is this guys video now ? (1 and 2)
http://www.youtube.com/user/NRGFromTheVacuum#p/u/10/2cUS03yNl40
Looks like it's been under our noses all this time and we couldn't see the forest for the trees.
Kindest Regards, Penno
I have come across the YouTube guy "NRGFromTheVacuum" in the past. He made a series of clips two years ago that are very similar to what Romero did, and he charges a very small capacitor to a high voltage. One more time he does not understand what he is doing, and he calls it "energy from the vacuum." One more time what he is really doing demonstrating the principle of the conservation of energy without realizing it because.... <drum roll>.... he does not understand how coils work.
MileHigh
MH
Of course you make sence! One thing I do Know ,is under the right Stress ,things happen the don't make sence!
A little shrimp showed me!
I think we will be seeing more experiments on this Coil shorting stuff!
And your input as well as others [cousin Hamdragger] will be appreciated!
Chet
PS
The NRG sparky meter reader, NOT what Romero is doin!
Quote from: ramset on 2011.02.20, 02:25:23
AHHhhhh
Nice to see every one havin fun [and I mean that] ,
This Romero Fellow plays at the Top of the OU food chain,I seriously doubt he doesn't understand what he's looking at!
Kiddy poos understand Voltage increases ,But amps decrease!
For once I feel that this will be vetted.
Grumpy, Mags wants to replicate your circuit ,Can I invite him here?will you help him replicate?
Chet
Sure.
You can only defeat Lenz's law by taking another route that avoid it.
Bring DonL and LTBolo too.
Grumpy,
I don't know that they read the thread on sunday but I most definately will make the invite! [probably monday AM]
Thank you
Chet
PS
Perhaps before then you can pick a thread for me to post a link to?
Quote from: ramset on 2011.02.20, 04:50:05
Grumpy,
I don't know that they read the thread on sunday but I most definately will make the invite! [probably monday AM]
Thank you
Chet
PS
Perhaps before then you can pick a thread for me to post a link to?
There is a TK thread here.
PM them, or they will say that you are trolling for members, or whatever BS the true trolls an dream up.
PM It will be.
8 am est tomorrow
Chet
Ok, so a number of you have taken the time to point out - Romero is wrong , he does not know what he is doing , he does not know how a coil works....
In your expert opinion how is the energy stored - conserved - in the shorted coil to be released when the reed opens
This looks like a larger scale replication:
Quote from: darkspeed on 2011.02.20, 17:26:54
This looks like a larger scale replication:
Is it fair to assume that this one in particular is simply an inductive kickback circuit driving the load?
If so, what am I missing DS?
.99
RomerUK's test cictuit and build:
Quote from: darkspeed on 2011.02.20, 15:16:52
Ok, so a number of you have taken the time to point out - Romero is wrong , he does not know what he is doing , he does not know how a coil works....
In your expert opinion how is the energy stored - conserved - in the shorted coil to be released when the reed opens
Is this essentially the circuit for which your question applies DS?
(http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=10398.0;attach=51013;image)
.99
This seems to me to be a highly inefficient way to drive a load, if the load is that LED. A JT for example, is probably a better way to go.
There is nothing special happening here actually. What he has done is indirectly created a boost circuit by shorting the output coil, and this is why the efficiency (i.e. LED is brighter) is higher this way rather than relying strictly on induction from the rotating magnets.
I somehow doubt that Lenz has died in this application. I believe it is more of an efficiency issue. This fellow really needs to measure his input and output power to get a feel for his efficiency first, before jumping to any conclusions.
It only takes a few tens of milliwats to drive an LED on, and he could be pumping far more than that into the drive coil.
.99
Yes .99 the last diagram is the one in question.
I was not assuming it was in any way over unity.
I was more curious what was happening in the coil between the time the reed relay closed and opened.
Am I correct that if his rotor was spinning the wrong direction the leds would not light due to the diode?
At first I thought that the shorting/unshorting was reversing the flow of energy stored in the coil so the led would light.
Second question is where exactly is the energy being stored when the coil is shorted and in what form, magnetic, capacitive?
I have seen quite a lot of energy stored in a shorted tesla secondary, is this working the same way?
Quote from: darkspeed on 2011.02.20, 20:08:47
Yes .99 the last diagram is the one in question.
I was not assuming it was in any way over unity.
I was more curious what was happening in the coil between the time the reed relay closed and opened.
Am I correct that if his rotor was spinning the wrong direction the leds would not light due to the diode?
I don't think so. Due to the arrangement of the magnets, i.e. a N and S pole present at the edge, either direction would work to light the LED, but in each case, the reed switch will have to be moved to a different position, i.e. advanced or retarded timing in relation to the other direction. If you were to scope the output of that coil (no shorting) as the magnet flew by, you would see a positive, followed by a negative pulse (or vice versa).
Quote
At first I thought that the shorting/unshorting was reversing the flow of energy stored in the coil so the led would light.
He is utilizing the IK to light the LED, vs. conventional induction. I wonder if his diagram is correct though. Can that LED ever light? That diode may be backwards.
Quote
Second question is where exactly is the energy being stored when the coil is shorted and in what form, magnetic, capacitive?
This is no different than any other pulsed coil; the energy is stored in its magnetic field.
Quote
I have seen quite a lot of energy stored in a shorted tesla secondary, is this working the same way?
It may be a bit of a stretch, but I suppose you might say it is similar. There may be a fair bit of energy stored in the "capacity" of TC secondary though as well.
.99
I should have been more specific.. In his diagram he shows N|S but in his actual demo unit it appears he only has the N facing the outside edge of the rotor.
This is why I was questioning if the rotational direction could prevent the leds from lighting but the flyback from the coil would then be in the correct direction to pass the diode and light the leds.
Or maybe that is N|S its hard to tell... from the photo
Well, in that respect then, yes. It would only work in one direction.
What of that diode though, is it not shown in the wrong direction?
.99
Quote from: poynt99 on 2011.02.20, 20:33:19
Well, in that respect then, yes. It would only work in one direction.
What of that diode though, is it not shown in the wrong direction?
.99
Haha well yes that too.. I guess depending on the type of diode.. but with leds as a load then yes it is in the wrong way.
Quote from: darkspeed on 2011.02.20, 20:36:39
Haha well yes that too.. I guess depending on the type of diode.. but with leds as a load then yes it is in the wrong way.
Unless he is relying on the IK pulse to get through via the diode junction capacitance?
.99
Quote from: poynt99 on 2011.02.20, 20:26:18
This is no different than any other pulsed coil; the energy is stored in its magnetic field.
.99
So once the domain is established in the core material ( steel ? ) and the coil is shorted, there is no real load presented to the coil so the energy in the coil circulates until the reed opens and the coil is presented with a load and the leds light.
yes.. no..
reminds me of leedskalnin
Quote from: darkspeed on 2011.02.20, 20:45:52
So once the domain is established in the core material ( steel ? ) and the coil is shorted, there is no real load presented to the coil so the energy in the coil circulates until the reed opens and the coil is presented with a load and the leds light.
yes.. no..
reminds me of leedskalnin
While it is shorted, it is sort of its own load really. But yes, the field builds up, is stored during the time the coil is "shorted", then it releases the stored energy to the LED.
.99
Thanks .99
Im fascinated by this for some reason.
If we said that the magnet passing the coil was one cycle
Then on the first half of that cycle the energy flow in the circuit would be blocked by the led, so there would be no real load on the coil.
Then mid cycle the coil is shorted and the energy in the coil is stored
So if we are assuming that the led is lit by the energy stored in the coil
The energy released from the coil would need to be flowing in the opposite direction to light the led
So do you have the stored energy flowing to the led
or
do you have the stored energy + the domain change from the departing magnet
Poynt
Just for clarity,"The Death of Lenz" quote
Came from Stefan on the Ismael thread!
Chet
I'll offer some comments.
The diode in the output circuit is indeed backwards, so there is an error in the schematic. It's worth it to mention that you don't even need it.
Let's examine what happens when the reed switch is not being used:
When the rotor turns you assume that there is no current flowing. You know that the coil is producing AC EMF. When the EMF is reverse-biasing the light emitting diodes then it's a no-brainer, there will be no current flow. When the EMF is forward-biasing the LEDs, we can assume that the voltage is not high enough to overcome the total forward voltage of the LEDs + diode required to get current to flow. Note he has about a half-dozen LEDs and we can safely assume that they are wired in series. So the EMF required to get current to flow is probably greater than 10 volts.
Now let's examine what happens when the reed switch is being used:
When the switch closes now current can flow through the coil from magnetic induction. It takes energy to induce current to flow in the coil, and that manifests itself as magnetic repulsion on the rotor. There is your Lenz' Law in action.
The direction of the current flow in the coil is critical because it can flow in two directions. Only one of the directions will create an inductive kickback in the right direction to light up the LEDs. Therefore the positioning of the reed switch is critical because it will affect which way the current will flow.
The current is induced to flow in the coil because of the changing magnetic flux from the magnet fly-bys. Increasing flux induces current flow in one direction and decreasing flux induces current flow in the other direction.
Why does the inductive kickback light up the LEDs? Because a discharging inductor acts like a current source. That means you could put one LED, two LEDs, 10 LEDs or 50 LEDs in series, it doesn't matter, they will all light up. The more LEDs there are the less time they will light up.
This clip and this setup was so basic and goes over a recurring theme that most of you have seen hundreds of times before.
I'll just rephrase what I said at the beginning of this example: If you understood how coils work then you would be able to look at this clip and immediately recognize that nothing special was going on. My advice is for those experimenters that are truly interested is to stop everything for a few weeks and invest all of your energy into learning how inductors really work. Go online and do some research, get some books, etc. Study the material over and over until it sinks in.
MileHigh
Guys...nothing new here. This is very similar to the standard magneto ignition circuit used on lawn mower type engines before they went solid state. Current is allowed to build in primary coil by virtue of the magnet fly by and at the right moment, usually close to TDC the circuit is interrupted by the "points" opening, and the resultant energetic flux change is transferred to an overwound HV secondary, to the spark plug igniting the mixture.
If he really wants to learn about this, he should study the early B&S, Bosch, Electrolux and Dykstra patents.
Here's a solid state way to do it:
Wow MileHigh, way to bruise a guys ego, I have not been told to go back to school in a long time. lol.
I appreciate your answer. It is textbook correct and the "immediately recognized" solution.
My purpose was to find any alternate opinions as I was not completely satisfied with the conversion of energy in the circuit.
ION.. Thanks, I have a vintage Porsche that has the original style magneto, I did not even think about that..
Darkspeed:
There is no such thing as "immediately recognized" vs. "alternate" explanations. In addition, I don't think many people immediately recognized what was going on, and that is a problem as far as I am concerned. There is only the truth about what is going on. After a certain point in experimenting and playing with coils, people should really learn how they work if they want to make their research more meaningful and fruitful and productive.
That's just my personal take on it, I can't tell anybody what to do. When I see how much time is wasted going over these easily explainable circuits I think once in a while it's worth it to say that people should learn the basics.
MileHigh
From Stefan at OU
Hi all,
I received this message from Isamel:
Hi, to all
My own technical view to open the free energy window;
1st. Low impedance load (To radiate enough Bemf or creating dominant freq or creating a carrier freq. to reach the Higher freq to attract surounding energy ) Using High resistance load will kill the effect. Most designer based from the advantage & convenience of High impedance design..like Bedini, Newman, Hector RV, & many more , but they forget Tesla always use very very low impedance & short it to the capacitor to create a very powerful vibration or oscillation.
2nd Circulating voltage inside the system minimum of 5 KV ( the more higher voltage the lesser grip of Lenz law )
3rd. Circulating freq. above 700Mhz ( If you gain 10watts at 1 Hz or one shorting pulse/sec, why not make it 1 million shorting per second ? using same input )
Shorting will be the main process to manipulate the above 3 basic requirement. The more shorting the more free energy you can get. Unlimited extraction of free energy. Totally depend on the budget. The more extraction of energy, the more overheating of parts, the more R & D cost required for parts development alone to withstand the saturation of destructive spikes. I considered Kone is the master of shorting in a low freq. process.
As per latest survey, based from Keelynet.com info. 20 trillion dollars burned just to extract free energy with substantial work , but so far no valid result, I think my technology will be excluding n the statistic survey. I am now very very near to the reality of real application , We hope everybody can benefit. Still a lot to do & more need funding for R & D.
A lot asking How about the Parallel flynn technology using P. magnet? For me It's a free energy, but limited up to 20 Hz only. Push beyond the 20hz the P. magnet power start to be depleted or no gain at all. The sterling engine & P. magnet with similarity. Hard to apply into real application. Like PM , Sterling was so slow to react to the require application to contineosly extract free energy.
Update : re : Government testing of my technology MIGHT be next week. using the same DC motor power by conventional power supply or battery & compare the output work power by my own technology. I requested this since last year DEC 2010, with a little help of push from some of friends in the Government & Media.
I will keep you update re: the testing,
BTw, As per the producer info I recieved yesterday, I think tomorrow or Tuesday my TV interview with Chn 7 ( biggest TV network in the Phill.) will be air including the footage meeting with technical evaluation council created by the Government specially for my energy.
Is
Good luck to Ismael.
The only question I have is:
With his apparent knowledge, why hasn't he been able to perform the test he just described? If he has done it, has he published it? It seems to me that this is fundamental, and the first thing one would want to do in order to prove it to themselves at least, before going public.
Oh well, the trend continues for now....
.99
Chet:
That message from Ismael just reinforces the fact that he is not credible as far as I am concerned.
QuoteA lot asking How about the Parallel flynn technology using P. magnet? For me It's a free energy, but limited up to 20 Hz only. Push beyond the 20hz the P. magnet power start to be depleted or no gain at all. The sterling engine & P. magnet with similarity. Hard to apply into real application.
If the Charles Flynn "Parallel Path Magnetic Technology" was actually real and worked, it would not matter one iota if it was limited to 20 Hz. If it was real it would totally transform the world in ten years and it would be the dawning of the Age of Aquarius. There would be no limit to the applications it could be used in.
There is no reason that Ismael can't do a credible demo of his stuff like Poynt said. It doesn't require a car, that's just a diversion, a smokescreen. Let's see him do a credible demo of his stuff on a bench.
MileHigh
MH
Somehow I don't think Ismael is shying away from testing,On the contrary he is soliciting the Gov't of the philipines to fully test and authenticate his claims! [like yesterday]
Chet
Chet:
If the government testing "falls through" or he claims it is being done but can't offer up any specifics and you never see a report then you can suspect that it's just a story. Personally I already suspect that it's just a story. Did he mention which government department and section is supposed to be doing the testing?
MileHigh
I skimmed over some of the Ismael stuff on OU. There is a fair amount of excitement about this. I can see a snowball effect happening where people start to put on blinders and make references to technology that never worked as building blocks for what Ismael is allegedly doing.
Meanwhile, some excerpts from a new message from Ismael:
QuoteI am recieving a lot of positive response & some negative , but only 2% skeptics from more than 12,000 email.
Based from survey .
Do you
really believe that Ismael got 12,000 emails? I have no clue what he means by "survery" but if you spent 20 seconds on each email, it would take you 66.6 hours to go through all of them. The YouTube hits for his clips for his clips vary between about 900 to about 4000, with average probably around 1500. There are 4184 reads of the thread on OU as I write this. Use your common sense here.
QuoteOn the side of skeptics. Here's where I am most worried. Not only pulling me down, but it will cost hard earned money whoever they can able to convince & finance.
Most of these skeptics brilliant people are armchair scientist, stupid / Ignorant design engineers & Inventor. The most appropriate name to these kind of people who's don't respect the hardship , pains experienced of the real inventor.. is a TALKING PARROT.
We should always BEWARE of scam artist , but with the same level of awareness, be careful as well to any scientist , inventor or engineer's,,, happen to be your technical consultant, convincing & claiming. They can duplicate my system, by just buying a bank of LIthium ion/polymer, the ( BMS ) battery management module & a 220V 63amps DC motor. my estimate ,,It will cost with the same dimension set up of 1/2 ( hidden part ) black box & motor minimum total of $15,000.
Actually that is a big lie. Before you believe, first call the Lithium battery supplier not one. Ask several supplier from China to USA. Give them the motor spec the minimum current of 25amps - 63amps & maximum of 150amps for starting. The better way is show them my Ecar video running back & forward. They will tell what really the capability of the Lithium ion.
FYI, for the last two months, I am personally sourcing possible supplier of LI ion all over the world. Until now I don't receive any response of commitment & guarranty these will work, by just using LI ion with 220 v & 10AH. Most they said, a 150amps starting current of the motor will quickly overheat & eventually destroy the 10AH LI ion battery internal wiring connection.
I am sure some skeptic bashing makes him feel good. Even though English is not his native language and trying to factor that out, what he says is still rambling, incoherent, and sometimes contradictory. Not exactly what a "brilliant genius" would be saying in my opinion. Furthermore, you don't call the LI battery suppliers and ask them for a solution to fit your requirements. What you would normally do is design your system around the capabilities of the available LI batteries in the marketplace. This "cart before the horse" design mentality doesn't smell right to me in this case.
Note one more time you see some "big talk" about looking for Lithium-Ion battery suppliers all over the world. The "big talk" is preliminary, and just using the same very expensive battery technology that goes into laptops doesn't smell right to me.
QuoteTo those who realy happy to burn money just to prove is not problem. To those who will not stop accusing me as a scam artist. I challenge them of risking the exposure of my technology( opening the hidden part of the black box, just to prove I don't have the LIthium ion, once I am right I will run the car over their face. For those no balls to be run over & offer me 1 million dollar & I will open it & collect the money once I am right.
Any skeptics who canno't accept that challenge, just keep quite & wait the testing process.
I wouldn't pay a million bucks to have somebody run me over! lol What you really have here is the "inventor" playing the "lottery ticket" card. "Give me an outrageous amount of money to see my technology and get your proof right away." Sure dude! You might get lucky and find a wild and crazy and really rich guy with a free energy obsession that will make your dreams come true.
QuoteRe: Government testing schedule still waiting for everybody availability. I add some additional testing parameters to increased the testing credibility.
1st. I want parallel test with my power supply technology & switch to standard power supply from the wall outlet & then measure the volts amps, torque & rpm. will be at least 10 times of switch over. Actually this idea from Konehead.
2nd. Test a standard commonly used for electric car series DC motor 36 volts, Just building up the database & comparison to that level.
Well I really don't understand what he is saying with respect to these two tests that are supposed to add credibility to his proposition. The people on the OU forum following this should press Ismael to explain what he really means in #1 and #2 above. Don't cave in and just be yes-men with respect to these points. You should ask him to explain what he means in detail.
MileHigh
MH
He outlines the Technique!
Its either there or it isn't,and having lots of folks playing with this ,will bring out the facts !
Chet
Quote from: ramset on 2011.02.21, 13:34:35
MH
He outlines the Technique!
Its either there or it isn't,and having lots of folks playing with this ,will bring out the facts !
Chet
I am under the impression that nobody can play with it. The "secret sauce" is hidden inside a black box.
By the way, when they took the drive on the electric car prototype through the neighbourhood, it looks to me that they had a few extra big batteries hidden under the bench that the two of them were sitting on. I am pretty sure for that series of clips you never see that spot clearly. When you get a shot of the electric car from behind, there are two white panels that obscure any kind of clear view.
Notice also that for the drive around the neighbourhood all of the weird looking electronics stuff that was on the back of the car magically disappears and is replaced by a small cylinder with a coil of wire around it. I suppose that's the "antenna" that he claims is picking up energy.
I probably won't comment much more because almost everything that this guy does is like Swiss cheese. Everything is screaming "Fraud!" to me. I am more or less content to wait for the big bust whenever it happens.
MileHigh
MH
Quote:
I am more or less content to wait for the big bust whenever it happens.
Yeah right!!,You know you can't help yourself!,But I don't mind in the least!
Besides there are fellahs over at the other thread that know their way around the EE field
Teslaalset being one of them [Top shelf !!}
Chet
This brings to mind the one question I have considering coil shorting.
Matched caps loaded with equal jules. One at 10v and 1 amp, the other
1 volt at 10 amps. They under apropriate load will deliver the same out
put.
If a shorted coil that puts out 3 volts and delivers say 24 to a cap, it
will then have less amps. In the end jules the same?
I saw a vid some time ago that did the same but with a neon bulb.
As run by its self, would not work. Short it and it would lite up. Thats
about 90v for that to happen. What would the amps be tho. This is what
I want to test for. The loads will have to be taylored to the voltage level
for each one but...
thay
Quote from: thaelin on 2011.02.21, 15:36:08
This brings to mind the one question I have considering coil shorting.
Matched caps loaded with equal jules. One at 10v and 1 amp, the other
1 volt at 10 amps. They under apropriate load will deliver the same out
put.
I don't get what you mean when you talk about how many amps each capacitor is "loaded with".
The energy (joules) stored in a cap is 1/2 CV^2. The amps don't come into play until a load is applied to discharge the caps and the current will depend on the load value and cap voltage.
If you have two identical value caps and one is charged to 1 Volt while the other is charged to 10 Volts, the 10 Volt one holds 100 times more energy (joules) than the 1 Volt one.
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/capeng2.html (http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/capeng2.html)
Hum
P.S. An identical set of rules applies to inductors, except it's 1/2 LI^2. Two identical value inductors, one with 1A through it and the other with 10A flowing. The 10A one holds 100x the energy, The voltage only becomes evident when a load is applied. If the load is 1 Ohm, for instance, the 1A inductor will initially cause 1 Volt across the load while the 10A inductor will cause a 10V EMF on the load.
Now if the load resistor is raised to 1000 Ohms, the initial theoretical impulse voltages across that resistor will be 1000 Volts for the coil with 1A flowing and 10,000 Volts for the inductor with 10A flowing. Seems amazing, but it's just normal classic formula stuff.
The high speed current doesnt have to be high amperage. Heading up into the electrostatic range simply means higher kinetic energy. At the higher speeds every form of conduction has its reactance raised culminating into resistance. Even jello can kill you at the correct velocity. What i learned paragliding is 'Everything above 22 feet is concrete.
Smack any form of conduction and we get a reaction. Goes back to what SM said about the jumping jumper cables. They move. In the smaller masses they light up. What kind of high speed potential would it take to light up a jumper cable?
Quote from: giantkiller on 2011.02.21, 15:59:37
The high speed current doesnt have to be high amperage. Heading up into the electrostatic range simply means higher kinetic energy. At the higher speeds every form of conduction has its reactance raised culminating into resistance. Even jello can kill you at the correct velocity. What i learned paragliding is 'Everything above 22 feet is concrete.
Smack any form of conduction and we get a reaction. Goes back to what SM said about the jumping jumper cables. They move. In the smaller masses they light up. What kind of high speed potential would it take to light up a jumper cable?
By "speed" of current do you mean the rate of change of the current or do you mean the speed with which the electrons move?
I confess that I almost never have any idea what you are actually saying in any of your posts GK...sorry, must be my inexperience with your terminology and new age thinking in general. In the above post, for instance, there is only one sentence that has a clear statement that means anything (to my old-fashioned way of thinking).
"Even jello can kill you at the correct velocity." I understand that one. Eating Jello at more than two meters per second is always fatal. Right? C.C
Hum
P.S. When playing with SHORTED COILS, jumping jumper cables and high-speed currents, or even when eating JELLO AT HIGH VELOCITIES, BE SURE YOU ALWAYS WEAR YOUR...
(Lenz, I understand, died the day he forgot this important advice)
I was referring to Tesla's high frequency voltages and currents.
I don't understand anything either!
Even Jello at zero meters per second could be fatal. If you tried to have sex in a bathtub full of Jello, you could die of hypothermia. :-*
It's all about the size of the dosage. Even water in high dosages can be fatal. Too much Jello at low velocity or less Jello at high velocity can kill you.
Quote from: MileHigh on 2011.02.21, 19:47:54
I don't understand anything either!
Even Jello at zero meters per second could be fatal. If you tried to have sex in a bathtub full of Jello, you could die of hypothermia. :-*
It's all about the size of the dosage. Even water in high dosages can be fatal. Too much Jello at low velocity or less Jello at high velocity can kill you.
I've noticed that the cherry flavor tends to be less lethal in most cases. In the bathtub, I mean. >:-)
@GK Thank you for responding. Of all the claimed OU devices, I find the SM units and demonstrations and surrounding anecdotes to be some of the most interesting, as you seem to also. I'd try to build one if the information weren't so cryptic and all over the map. For instance, I don't get all the speculation and hints that electron tubes are "the way to go". I never saw anything in any of his demo vids that looked like it could have tubes in it.
Hum
This is the unfortunate frustruation we have to endure when it comes to "over-unity" devices. The information is all over the map, second, or even third hand information that contradicts itself.
For example, take Ishmael's "invention", the guy that wrote to Stephan claims he worked with Ishmael and that his secret is shorting the generator coils at the peak induced voltage, while other posts clearly indicate that the energy comes from a receiver, and there's photos of it on his car. So which is it, a motor/generator phenomena or an antenna?
By the way, the logic they used to explain shorting the coil and insisting that the kick-back has to go into a CAPACITOR and not a RESISTOR, initialy, indicates to me that somebody is thinking about reactive circuits and reactive power and they think that if a resistor is used directly then that would mean loses. So they say to first charge up the capacitor AND THEN to swich the capacitor and discharge it into the resistor. What they fail to realize is that reactive power is actual power that flows in then out, so if you time average it comes out to zero, BUT IF YOU RECTIFY IT, you better be sure that you're putting a drain and DRAG on the motor/generator because you're taking energy from it, it might not be a whole lot of drag, but it's there in short bursts. Then they talk about voltage. That realy makes me shake my head. I see so many "OU researchers" getting excited about higher voltages, and not realize the current is smaller, keeping the power constant excluding losses. It's as if they don't know that power equals V*I. Or some folks devise some coil kickback scheme and get all excited that they can up the voltage and light a light bulb from a battery. Woopdedoo. Apparently they don't know how inverters work.
But I should say, a keen researcher wades through all this crap, and tries to spot pearls if there are any.
anyway, just some ramblings from me. slow day at work.
EM
Quote from: humbugger on 2011.02.21, 19:57:30
@GK Thank you for responding. Of all the claimed OU devices, I find the SM units and demonstrations and surrounding anecdotes to be some of the most interesting, as you seem to also. I'd try to build one if the information weren't so cryptic and all over the map. For instance, I don't get all the speculation and hints that electron tubes are "the way to go". I never saw anything in any of his demo vids that looked like it could have tubes in it.
Hum
Tubes have inherent fidelity that solid state doesn't. He was pointing at the high Q resonance to obtain. The self destructing transformers exhibit this harmonic dance.
Keely attained this at the molecular, atomic and sub atomic layers. The goal is sympathetic vibratory resonance. Farahdays post of the spark shows the start of the energy to use. So if we hit a coil with a fet we essentially get out of the way of the natural ringing. Then we just hit it again at the correct time.
Well Speaking or Ringing
I see Christ Church New Zealand Got Whacked with a big Quake,[home to Peter Davey]
I don't know if Peter Davey is still alive ,but if he is I hope he open sources his Water Heater soon!
Hope all is well with the folks in NZ.
Chet
Humbugger
A responce to GK
Quote:
I confess that I almost never have any idea what you are actually saying in any of your posts GK...sorry, must be my inexperience with your terminology and new age thinking in general. In the above post, for instance, there is only one sentence that has a clear statement that means anything (to my old-fashioned way of thinking).
------------------
Sir,
This will be a problem !Folks that have seen things they can't understand or explain in conventional terms
will seem way outside the box to folks that havent seen it!
Fellows that work everyday with circuits and such ,get a feel for the normal!
And when things happen on their bench ,Huge bursts of energy that fissle and poof much, much more than is possible they look for the causes ,and struggle for explanations!
These things do happen! Most men when they chase this monster work with small very low power circuits!
The things that come onto the bench sometimes ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, well they change your life!
GK is one of the men that has had such a life changing experience!
I do hope that sometime soon we will all get a chance to add some vocabulary to these events,and get a much better understanding than "the reason your # 2 ought wire fried and snapped in half, is because you can't take proper measurements and you don't really understand the power in a triple a battery!
Sorry for so many posts today
Ijust get frustrated
Chet
Get hurt then get smart.
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=33.msg11168#msg11168
If you don't want to get smart and receive the results then practice a little electro-alchemy. Jury rig the switches on your microwave door, stick you head in the box and press the 'On' button. This alleviates any future equipment costs and experience effort besides giving access to instant, permanent achievment of nirvana.
You'll be amazed at the 'Instant lesson'. Should answer any questions anyone would have about the afterlife. So you get your answer in two places. And you graduate with flying colors!
There have been many great submissions about junction conduction and thingy ringing. But what does the ouput do? When Tesla threw the knife switch he noticed a great many things. The rest of the men just flew off their feet and lost limbs. We have more men what is needed is greater thinking. O0
Chet:
You raise some interesting issues, although I suppose the themes periodically crop up. I will respond and chances are you are not going to like it. Such is life, I have to speak what I am pretty sure is true.
Quote from: ramset on 2011.02.22, 16:13:17
Folks that have seen things they can't understand or explain in conventional terms
will seem way outside the box to folks that havent seen it!
Fellows that work everyday with circuits and such ,get a feel for the normal!
And when things happen on their bench ,Huge bursts of energy that fissle and poof much, much more than is possible they look for the causes ,and struggle for explanations!
GK is one of the men that has had such a life changing experience!
I do hope that sometime soon we will all get a chance to add some vocabulary to these events,and get a much better understanding than "the reason your # 2 ought wire fried and snapped in half, is because you can't take proper measurements and you don't really understand the power in a triple a battery!
To put things in context, just a few days ago I said that the person that was playing with the rotor and the reed switch and the LEDs was doing nothing special. You didn't really believe me and were quite excited about it. A few days passed and nobody could explain what was going on. Finally I chimed in and explained what was going on.
With respect to your comments above and speaking in general terms, yes indeed folks have seen things that they don't understand and can't explain. The problem lies in the fact that they can be explained in conventional terms and nothing that is being observed is "way outside the box." The root cause of this is ignorance and a lack of education. That's the tough truth and you can paint me as the bad guy if you want, but it's still the truth.
When you talk about people working on the bench and observing "huge bursts of energy" and state that they are observing "much more than is possible" it sounds to me like you are playing into your free energy fantasies. It would be great if somebody developed a free energy system but seeing a big spark from a discharging coil is certainly not free energy.
Giantkiller, you are one of the experimenters that sees big bursts of energy. I can only offer up a thought experiment that will very sobering for you and for Chet. If you could spend a week with a seasoned electrical engineer and work with him on the bench that would be a very enlightening experience. You could show the electrical engineer all of your experiments with different coil configurations and your high voltage pulsing and your frequency mixing, whatever. Every single experiment that you demonstrate to the electrical engineer would be understood and explained back to you by the engineer. It's the same thing like I said about the Joule Thief circuit. Lawrence was going on and on about the "pseudo resonance" associated with the Joule Thief and there was nothing like that going on at all.
This applies to all of the other experimenters too, I am not pointing my finger at any specific person. I am not trying to discourage anybody from experimenting or having fun. Think back to Romero with the rotor and reed switch and LEDs. In an ideal world the experimenters would be climbing up a learning curve and doing experiments and then doing the background work to understand them, and then keep on pushing forward. But we live in the real world and not an ideal world.
Finally Chet you talk about adding to the vocabulary to describe various events. The truth is that the vocabulary already exists. Nothing new or strange or unexplainable is going on.
I know these words I am saying are not giving either of you the warm and fuzzies. I am just telling you the truth as I see it, you can take it or leave it.
MileHigh
MH
I think I need a Hug!!
Warm and Fuzzy!
Listen, Its not possible for you to Hurt our feelings on this ,I have freinds that have circuits they worked /designed
running around on mars right now [they hurt my feelings all the time].
When it happens You'll know about it! There won't be any measuring thingy to question.
In the mean time .................
Chet
Group hug?or proper language attack:
MH, I think you sum things up quite nicely with this paragragh.
Quote from: MileHigh on 2011.02.22, 20:48:12
With respect to your comments above and speaking in general terms, yes indeed folks have seen things that they don't understand and can't explain. The problem lies in the fact that they can be explained in conventional terms and nothing that is being observed is "way outside the box." The root cause of this is ignorance and a lack of education. That's the tough truth and you can paint me as the bad guy if you want, but it's still the truth.
All too often conventional science does not even get a look-in, being totally disregarded in favour of some more mysterious 'exotic' explanation. Ignorance and lack of education has an awful lot to answer for!
Steven Mark's challenge to the status quo still stands:
Explain what the TPU is doing and build one that works.
The BS flies while others try...
What if the thumping are dynamic standing waves exercising force at varying distances?
Farrah:
You are correct about the conventional science angle not getting some coverage also. It's mainly an observation of course, it's up to individuals to decide for themselves. At the same time I don't see people asking questions when I think they should be asking questions. We are also discussing Ismael Aviso's "free energy car" in this thread and I don't see any tough questions.
Giantkiler:
For Steven Mark and the TPU, I am not aware of anything substantive. For Steven Mark I am not fully versed in all the material that's available. I believe the principle material is from videotape clips that were made in the 1990s that are still in circulation on YouTube. The term "TPU" probably covers a lot of devices so I am assuming there is tons of material out there. But is there any substance to that material? That's a big question.
Here is a question for you about these two "technologies:" Does anybody have a working device right now as we speak?
QuoteThe BS flies while others try...
You can call it BS if you want but I stand by every word I say. You are free to tell me where I am incorrect or spouting BS and we can debate it. If you are just slipping in a generic comment there then I will assume that you were in spin mode and you can't cite any specifics.
Trying is great but clutching at straws is something people want to avoid.
QuoteWhat if the thumping are dynamic standing waves exercising force at varying distances?
If you could define "thumping" and "dynamic standing waves" and what force at varying distances from what I might be able to comment.
MileHigh
MH
Look, Its your favorite OU personality,The one ,The only ,That man you all love to Hate!
A man Of Impeccable Morale Fiber!
SSSSsssssTerling Allan.......................
hartiberlin
Quote:
Yes, I also think Aviso should not concentrate on cars,
bust just show an overunity power supply.
Okay, it can also be used for cars, but this
will mostly wake up the wrong people probably.
Did you all hear the new interview with Sterling Allan ?
See:
http://pesn.com/2011/02/21/9501769_How_Aviso_extracts_energy_from_surroundings_to_power_his_EV/
and here is the interview:
http://www.mevio.com/episode/270096/fen.110221
So, it was a bit hard to understand for me as the phone line had some hum
and the accent was a bit hard to understand.
But what I gathered from the interview was the following:
He uses low impedance coils to discharge caps probably charged up with high voltage.
This way he creates very big oscillations and the oscillations probably have a high Q factor
as there is not much resistance in his LC dicharge circuits, so he has big oscllation amplitudes.
As he is also using low impedance ( low ohmic resistance) coils, he also can switch
the current very fast. He is working in the 700 Mhz to 1.2 GHz range....
So this is a frequency range, where you need a lot of experience and also need expensive
m
measurement equipment to be able to see waveforms on a scope for instance, so
it is not really easy to working with such high frequencies.
Also it seems he is then creating a carrier frequency from this discharge ringing
and this seems to convert environmental heat energy from the surroundings
of the coil into electrical energy.
Well, as this is already a very low infared frequency range so to speak,
it might be possible that he just taps into heat energy and cools it down this way.
So probably his coil cools down during this process and converts the heat to electrical energy.
His "special transistor" is just an array of cheap MOSFET transistors to replace expensice IGBT devices.
So if he blows up a few MOSFETs it is cheaper to replace 8 x 1 US$ MOSFETS than buying 1 x IGBT at 250 US$.
But how he is using them at 700 Mhz to 1.2 Ghz is a puzzle to me...
Are there 1 US$ MOSFETs that can switch this fast
Maybe if you did understand it better than me, please add your comments what you heard...
Many thanks also to Sterling who did this interview.
Regards, Stefan
Chet:
Some choice tidbits from Sterling's article:
QuoteHe was also visited recently by a billionaire interested in funding his technology, but who is primarily interested in Aviso developing the repelling force to create a multi-megawatt, utility-scale power device.
I think we are jumping the gun here. Plus you have to put your "reality check" hat on. It just doesn't jive.
QuoteHe then shorts the capacitor at a certain frequency which "will vibrate into a bigger level by means of cascading."
I saw that in Half-Life!!! Cascading what???
QuoteAviso says he uses the back EMF as a carrier, making its own oscillations, which attract energy from the surrounding ambient, giving help to the battery.
Awesome. Let's see him demonstrate that on a bench.
QuoteApparently his "repelling force" uses some of these same principles, enabling the creation of a very powerful electromagnet with a very low impedance coil, so that a small input of energy can result in a powerful repelling force. Aviso wants to engineer this repelling force into a generator for base load power production, drawing unseen energy from the environment. He is confident this could be scalable from small to large applications.
Time to rewrite all of the physics textbooks.
QuoteA highlight in our interview today, for me, was when Aviso described designing and improving his own transistor which could handle the effects he is harnessing. The traditional transistor will burn out easily from the high frequency pulsing and spikes.
Add semiconductor physicist to the list.
QuoteHe said the "gate" or base is the problem. It is sensitive to "attacks by high frequency" or any spikes. He studied this and came up with a solution, which he has continued to improve.
It talks like a semiconductor physicist, so it can't be a duck.
QuoteThen Channel 7 called last Wednesday and wanted to come the next day. He told them it was dismantled, and he didn't think it could have it running by the time they got there.
Dammit! That always happens!
QuoteOne very good thing that came out of the timing of Channel 7's visit was that they were able to accompany him to his meeting with the technical evaluation council created by the government especially for considering his technology.
Incredible!
QuoteWhile I would congratulate Aviso on the interest that a US Billionaire is showing him in producing a 100 MW plant
I almost forgot; throw in private consultant for power plant design and construction at $350 per hour.
I'm telling you Chet, you have to be "crazy" to believe any of this stuff.
MileHigh
Good night Chet, good night David and good night from NBC news (No body's Conscious).
I decided to subject myself to some of Sterling's audio interview with Aviso:
Quote Aviso:
Quotethe back-EMF, although it's high voltage, but the current is so low
Poof! That's the end of Aviso because he clearly doesn't know what he is talking about. I listened to about 15 minutes worth of the interview.
MileHigh
MH
Did you miss the "Ismael is a gifted electrical engineer part"?
Saudi Arabia Microwave Tech "Wiz kid" Part?
I thought you said we needed to work a week with an EE?
I'm confused.....................................
I wanna go work with Ismael!!
Chet
The mindset of 'Needing' current is incorrect.
Uh oh I can hear it now.
How else can a bulb be lit with one wire? Kinetic force. We don't burn the destination, we shake it.
I repeat, uh oh.
We shake it?
This is what the kinetic force does by application of very, very fast, high speed, high frequency pulses or spark gaps. Same thing. Uh oh...
All the circuits that are mysterious all have the same thing. High speed switching, heterodyning multiple frequencies or spark gaps.
Why are there so many arguments over this application? If the device has this aspect included in it then the viewer that is suspicious or argumentative should take a deeper look. Who dare would argue with Tesla, Dollard, Moray, Smith, EVGray or Hutchison? They all have spark gaps. Hello?
Tesla production was with spark gaps which propelled his circuits into resonance. Hutchison goes one step farther by application of the resonance to produce molecular stress using Tesla coils. Keely is the grand daddy of them all by applying high frequencies created from metal spheres, very high frequencies and applying them to stress the molecular bonds.
Does any body else see this? Am I alone in this vigil?
http://www.antenna-theory.com/basics/aperture.php (http://www.antenna-theory.com/basics/aperture.php)
http://amasci.com/tesla/tesceive.html (http://amasci.com/tesla/tesceive.html)
Quotehttp://www.intalek.com/Index/Projects/SparkGapExp/SparkGapExp.htm
Quotehttp://tlt.its.psu.edu/mto/energy/sparkgap.html
QuoteNOT CRACKPOTTY AFTER ALL
Note that this does not violate any rules of conventional physics. If we add stronger EM fields, they sum with the incoming EM plane waves and cause these radio waves to bend towards the tiny antenna, and the antenna absorbs them. This increases the antenna's EA (effective area, or effective aperture.) We can use this process to alter the coupling between the antenna and the surrounding space, but the total energy still follows the conservation law. The altered fields only change the "virtual size" or EA of the antenna.
More importantly, the phenomenon is quite limited. We can only use it with electrically "small" antennas. We cannot increase the "virtual size" much beyond a quarter wavelength for the waves involved. If we already have a large 1/2-wave dipole, then no matter how large is our artificially-add AC voltage, we cannot make it absorb more incoming waves. However, if we have an extremely small antenna, say, a 10KHz loop antenna the size of a pie plate, we can make that antenna seem very, very large indeed. Think like this: how large is the diameter of the antenna's nearfield region at 10KHz? Around 10 kilometers? What if we could extract half of the incoming energy from that entire volume?!! In theory we can: half can be absorbed, and the other half scattered. In theory a tiny loop antenna sitting on your lab bench can intercept just as much energy as a longwire 1/2-wave antenna which is 10KM long. Bizarre, eh?
QuoteBUT HOW DO ATOMS DO IT?
OK, if this supposedly explains how tiny atoms can receive long light waves, how can we increase the voltage signal to a SINGLE ATOM?! Actually it's not difficult. No angstrom-sized radio transmitter is needed. The key is to use EM energy stored as oscillating fields; i.e. resonance.
If an atom resonates electromagnetically at the same frequency as the incident light waves, then, from a Classical standpoint, that atom's internal resonator will store EM energy accumulated from the incoming waves. It will then behave as an oscillator, becoming surrounded by an increasingly strong AC electromagnetic field as time goes by. (Quantum Mechanics might say that the atom is surrounded by virtual photons at the resonant frequency.) If this alternating field is locked into the correct phase with the incoming light wave, then the atom's fields can interact with the light waves' fields and cancel out quite a bit of the light energy present in the nearfield region around the atom. The energy doesn't vanish, instead it ends up INSIDE the atom. Half of the energy goes into kicking an electron to a higher level, and the other half is re-emitted as "scattered" waves.
By resonantly creating an "anti-wave", which superposes with incoming waves and bends them towards the atom, the tiny atom has "sucked energy" out of the enormously long light waves as they go by. And since the atom has no conventional copper coils inside it wasting energy, it can build up some really strong fields which allow it to behave extremely "large" when compared to it's physical diameter.
Or is this all just a circle jerk? Uh oh.
Quote from: ramset on 2011.02.23, 09:38:29
MH
Did you miss the "Ismael is a gifted electrical engineer part"?
Saudi Arabia Microwave Tech "Wiz kid" Part?
I thought you said we needed to work a week with an EE?
I'm confused.....................................
I wanna go work with Ismael!!
Chet
Chet:
The dude is almost certainly not an engineer, you really should try to evaluate claims with a critical eye.
MileHigh
HHMMMmmmmmm
The coil thing {antenna} is looking suspect,...... size for application ,people sitting on it [near it].
Etc
But he's a business man,showing his unique, world changing [Aquarious age}proprietary wares out in public?
?
Chet
Quote from: ramset on 2011.02.24, 00:12:29
HHMMMmmmmmm
The coil thing {antenna} is looking suspect,...... size for application ,people sitting on it [near it].
Etc
But he's a business man,showing his unique, world changing [Aquarious age}proprietary wares out in public?
?
Chet
There are no high-energy-density electromagnetic fields in the 700 MHz to 1.5 GHz range that are pervasive in the environment such that we could pick them up with an antenna and use them to power something as big as a car. If there were it would be like walking around inside a microwave oven. By the same token there is no such thing as picking up a carrier wave and using that to suck up extra electromagnetic energy from nowhere.
The whole thing is complete and utter nonsense.
MH
Yeah, Yeah I know,
I'm still going with the smoke and mirrors business man covering his A$$
I brought a couple movies
Laurent
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QanbffVFZPU
Romero
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYaPvGipao4
Feature presentation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yC_0-0YutKI
Quote from: ramset on 2011.02.24, 02:13:23
Feature presentation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yC_0-0YutKI
I want to see a spin down time with and without the output coil on the board.
Does this sound familiar:
QuoteWhy does the inductive kickback light up the LEDs? Because a discharging inductor acts like a current source. That means you could put one LED, two LEDs, 10 LEDs or 50 LEDs in series, it doesn't matter, they will all light up. The more LEDs there are the less time they will light up.
I wouldn't be surprised if Stefan read my comments and that's where the suggestion came from.
QuoteI want to see a spin down time with and without the output coil on the board.
The spin-down will last longer if the output coil is not there. There is Lenz' drag on the rotor when the output coil and LEDs are there. Just because Romero can't hear a noticeable change in the sound from the spinning rotor doesn't mean that the rotor speed is unaffected. The power required to light the LEDs has to come from somewhere.
MileHigh
Death to the Lenz!!
Quote from: MileHigh on 2011.02.24, 02:40:51
Does this sound familiar:
I wouldn't be surprised if Stefan read my comments and that's where the suggestion came from.
The spin-down will last longer if the output coil is not there. There is Lenz' drag on the rotor when the output coil and LEDs are there. Just because Romero can't hear a noticeable change in the sound from the spinning rotor doesn't mean that the rotor speed is unaffected. The power required to light the LEDs has to come from somewhere.
MileHigh
I think Romero has good ingredients to start with. His rotor is good and heavy, 6 disks thick, and the magnet arrangement worked well.
I believe there is drag for sure. The flywheel effect works well.
I want to see input numbers. His 1 stator is getting it up to speed very good.
I think he is getting very decent charge with the distance from the rotor. Next would be to add more charge units, and it looks as if you could combine them to 1 cap. 3 more charge coils, will we hear the drag? ;]
I like it.
Mags
@Ramset
QuoteFolks that have seen things they can't understand or explain in conventional terms will seem way outside the box to folks that havent seen it!
I would agree, I use a little trick I learned many years ago that speeds development, I once read it takes 10,000 hours to become an expert. So I considered that if I worked through the fundamental issues of any given technology every waking moment in the back of my mind that I would solve the problems faster. What I found was that the only reason what we call "expertise" takes so long is because we forget half of what we learn when we are not thinking about it or actively doing it. Thus long term continuous though and practise on any given subject is not only faster it is exponentially faster. This is one reason I don't buy into the BS of labelling people by their occupation or years in any given occupation because in many cases it means nothing. Another aspect is creativity, there are people who are creative and create new things and new technology and there is everyone else -- the wanna-be's who obviously resent them. If anyone is wondering if they are creative they just need to ask one question--- what have you created recently?, if the answer is nothing then you are not a creative person,lol. It is an age old issue, there are people who learn, understand and create new things and their are people who simply repeat the same actions and thoughts over and over, repetition is not creative. It should be obvious that experience and intelligence(IQ) play a minor role in respect to perspective and creativity because all the experience in the world will not help us create anything new and that is what matters in technology.
One real example I have seen recently is the "windbelt" technology, a 20 year old builds a "new" wind generator with no rotating parts, no gears, no silly propellers only a piece of fabric that flutters(aeroelastic flutter) in the wind. It is supposedly capable of breaking the $1/watt theshhold even in small scale installations which makes it comparable to larger machines. Now if all these so called experts with thousands of years of combined expertise are so damn smart then why didn't they think of it? -- because they couldnt that is why. Great new idea's matter, living in the past and repeating the same mistakes over and over does not.
Regards
AC
Just for fun, I noticed something that Doug Konzen (Konehead) wrote about the Ismael system:
QuoteIt doesnt really matter if someone sits near that anntenae obviously, its sort of recent add-on feature and is NOT whre the power "comes from" it is jsut an additional thing he added on recently...he told me there are three Power supplies - there are
1)pikcup winds,
2)shorting of coils 5 times at peaks where the oscialltion peaks themselves get shorted - and this is how he gets the exponential power increase and this is the heart of the system..
Point #2 above is what's of interest here. I am going to assume that Doug believes that statement and he has believed it for years. I am also going to assume that lots of people around here believe it too because Ismael and Doug say it is true.
So I will issue a challenge to any experimenter out there that believes that this is true and wants to make a test jig to find out if it actually is true. I think that would be an interesting project and I am sure that myself and others around here would be willing to help one of more persons make a test jig to do that. It could be as simple or as fancy as you want to make it.
Here's Doug's version of a system like this:
http://sites.google.com/site/alternativeworldenergy/shorting-coils-circuits (http://sites.google.com/site/alternativeworldenergy/shorting-coils-circuits)
Doug shows a schematic but he doesn't show a real jig or any experimental data. So the challenge is to see if this proposition is true or not.
I can suggest a preliminary plan of attack:
1. Take your pick-up coil and measure how much energy it stores versus the current flowing through it. I just designed a coil energy measuring circuit as we speak.
2. Then put the pick-up coil in a Konehead-type of setup (or whatever you design) and measure how much energy you can extract from the coil with the shorting system. If anybody has a Bedini motor then they at least have a setup to fly magnets by the pick-up coil.
If somebody actually did this I think Konehead would be in for a surprise.
MileHigh
MH
I'm going to ask you to have a look into Chetty's world again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKPrGxB1Kzc
This "Moment" [9900 celsious ,sonoluminescence]
Whether I do it with a coil a hammer ,perhaps a "wind"?
THAT MOMENT........................is harvest time!
The door has been opened........................
Keep it open!!!!!!!
I believe It can be done ONLY BECAUSE THE BUG DOES IT!
Some folks make a lot of sence when they play with the Hammer [pulse]
open the door and keep it open .
It may take a big "Wallop"[energy] to open the door,but after that, I think the beast can just be tapped on the chin.
perhaps others will talk more about this,
Chet
PS
Actually I know they will,Its what where talking about
@AC
Thanks for sharing your thoughts
As always "they are provoking"
The shorting coil circuit is actually a 1 cycle stun gun. It is the same ckt that Dr. Rife demostrates into sheets of steel screen. The level is the only thing that changes in the application.
The pistol shrimp deals stunning blows which disorients the brain communications. The Rife circuit deals micro blasts to the harmonically tuned DNA which realigns the DNA into a natural form alginment other than a misalignment formed by ingested or absorbed chemicals that promote radical alignments thereby causing organ failures. The outcome of the misalginments are labled in accordance as to what or where indentified. The misalignment is all the same. This last statement is what Rife promotes is the root cause to attend to. Not putting salted bandaids on recurring wounds.
Which brings me to AC's creativity statement. When a person who is not creative and they say 'I see' they are looking with their eyes. When a 'Creative' person says 'I see' they looking with their mind.
A creative person can formulate the next step before it is seen. All others can only repeat because they need the next step to happen before they can understand to approach the process. The Bible promotes 'Not by sight'. Think about that! If you can...
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/tesla/esp_tesla_17.htm (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/tesla/esp_tesla_17.htm)
I like that DNA realighnment concept. I'm going to shock myself this weekend :P
Chet:
I think we discussed the Pistol Shrimp a few months ago. It's pretty cool but energy is conserved. There is no door that opens up that let's you harvest extra energy from "somewhere." The high temperatures and sonoluminescence are actually microscopic and all part and parcel of the energy trail. I think you also get a similar kind of luminescence when you bite into a Certs candy.
Giantkiler:
QuoteThe Rife circuit deals micro blasts to the harmonically tuned DNA which realigns the DNA into a natural form alginment other than a misalignment formed by ingested or absorbed chemicals that promote radical alignments thereby causing organ failures. The outcome of the misalginments are labled in accordance as to what or where indentified. The misalignment is all the same.
Are those statements directly from Dr. Rife or are they from the modern interpretation of Dr. Rife? Either way it sounds totally far out to me! I wouldn't be surprised if a DNA researcher would say that the Dr. Rife stuff is just medical quackery.
QuoteWhich brings me to AC's creativity statement. When a person who is not creative and they say 'I see' they are looking with their eyes. When a 'Creative' person says 'I see' they looking with their mind.
A creative person can formulate the next step before it is seen. All others can only repeat because they need the next step to happen before they can understand to approach the process. The Bible promotes 'Not by sight'. Think about that! If you can...
I certainly can think about that. You are just doing the old semi-disguised bashing of scientists and engineers accusing them of not having any imagination and not being creative and just repeating what they read in textbooks. That's a total crock of shit.
MileHigh
@MH,
Maybe if you keep pressing the Enter key things will change.
Since you are all knowing and all seeing then:
Riddle me this then Factman: From whence does this energy that you know nothing about come from? Do you contest Tesla? Or is this a boundary you know not to cross?
Do you pry and ply to keep the boasters on to gleen the final design to encumber with yourself?
Why don't you step into the ring with the biggest of the big boys and openly denounce what you cannot conceive of?
QuoteMagnifier Transmitter
Of a truth, dielectric energy was native source of incredible proportion and virtually eternal duration. Able to use such a kinetic source, one could dispense entirely with the Power Transmitters necessary in stimulating and impressing "extra pulsations" on the aether flow. Tesla often defined the dielectric field as a natural flow of aether particles, one that seemed impossible to utilize through lack of appropriate resistive materials. In order to obtain momentum from the flowing particles of a dielectric field, one required special matter poised in equally special symmetries. The otherwise continuous flow could be absorbed directly, being exchanged to utilities, appliances, and other applications.
Tesla had already considered the condition of charged particles, each representing a tightly constricted whorl of aether. The force necessarily exerted at close distances by such aetheric constrictions was incalculably large. Aetheric ponderance maintained particulate stability. Crystalline lattices were therefore places within which one could expect to find unexpected voltages. Indeed, the high voltages inherent in certain metallic lattices, intra-atomic field energies, are enormous. The close Coulomb gradient between atomic centers are electrostatic potentials reaching humanly unattainable levels. By comparison, the voltages, which Tesla once succeeded in releasing, were quite insignificant. In these balanced lattices, Tesla sought the voltages needed to initiate directed aetheric streams in matter. Once such a flow began, one could simply tap the stream for power.
In certain materials, these aether streams might automatically produce the contaminating electrons, a source of energy for existing appliances. One could theoretically then "tailor" the materials needed to produce unexpected aetheric power with or without the attendant detrital particles. Tesla did mention the latent aetheric power of charge forces, the explosive potentials of bound aether, and the aetheric Power inherent in matter. In these studies, Tesla sought replacement for the 100,000,000 volt initiating pulses which natural law required for the implementation of space aether. Tesla had long been forced to abandon those gigantic means by other, less natural laws.
Thereafter, Tesla shifted his attentions from the appreciation of the gigantic to an appreciation of the miniature. He sought a means for proliferating an immense number of small and compact aether power receivers. With one such device, Tesla succeeded in obtaining power to drive an electric car. But for the exceptional account, which follows, we would have little information on this last period in Tesla's productive life, one that very apparently did not cease its prolific streams of creativity to his last breath. The information comes through an unlikely source, one rarely mentioned by Tesla biographers. It chanced that an aeronautical engineer, Derek Ahlers, met with one of Tesla's nephews then living in New York. Theirs was an acquaintance lasting some 10 years, consisting largely of anecdotal commentaries on Dr. Tesla. Mr. Savo provided an enormous fund of knowledge concerning many episodes in Tesla's last years.
Quote from: giantkiller on 2011.02.24, 19:56:43
Maybe if you keep pressing the Enter key things will change.
It looks to me like you are pressing the Escape key.
There is no escape, only truth.
QuoteMarconi was the son of a wealthy Italian landowner and an Irish mother When interest in his first transmission in 1895 had not interested Italian authorities, he had gone to Britain. The Marconi Wireless Telegraph Company was formed in London in 1896 and Marconi made millions off his inventions.
Same all over the place.
Do you see a sideshow or a purpose?
Quote from: giantkiller on 2011.02.24, 22:04:57
Do you see a sideshow or a purpose?
How about you tell me what you see first? I am more curious than you.
Quote from: giantkiller on 2011.02.24, 19:56:43
@MH,
Maybe if you keep pressing the Enter key things will change.
Since you are all knowing and all seeing then:
Riddle me this then Factman: From whence does this energy that you know nothing about come from? Do you contest Tesla? Or is this a boundary you know not to cross?
Do you pry and ply to keep the boasters on to gleen the final design to encumber with yourself?
Why don't you step into the ring with the biggest of the big boys and openly denounce what you cannot conceive of?
I never said that I was all knowing and all seeing and I reject the negative connotation implicit in that statement.
QuoteFrom whence does this energy that you know nothing about come from?
You tell me what energy you are talking about and you tell me where it comes from. If you are going to ask a question then just ask a straight question. You cannot pose questions with uncertainties and questions implicit within the question. How do you know that I don't know anything about it when you are not even clearly stating what energy you are talking about? See Giantkiller, you pose a bogus question and I throw back a bunch of questions about the question to you. Typically you then won't answer and as a result the debate goes nowhere and nothing gets accomplished. How was that for an answer?
QuoteDo you contest Tesla? Or is this a boundary you know not to cross?
Is that the "Tesla Bogeyman" boundary or is that just another spur of the moment philosophical question that requires deep contemplation? There is nothing to cross and I will explain why.
I am not a Tesla fanboy, and the research and technology that he developed has largely been superseded by newer technology. That's progress for you. Everything that Tesla did was 100% conventional. He was also a showman and did "fancy tricks" to raise money. The stuff in your quote strikes me as possibly being "fictionalized pulp press Tesla prose." There is a whole cottage industry that has been developed around Tesla and he has been seriously embellished to sell paperback books. Tesla is like a kind of Elvis figure. Even if Tesla wrote about esoteric things like "aether streams" he could have been playing his audience like a Carney to raise money or just been plain dead wrong. I don't think Tesla ever "got" Einstein and the same goes for Edison.
QuoteDo you pry and ply to keep the boasters on to gleen the final design to encumber with yourself?
I don't know because I can't understand the question!
QuoteWhy don't you step into the ring with the biggest of the big boys and openly denounce what you cannot conceive of?
Tesla is not nearly as big as you think he is. He is a small cottage industry kind of guy. Just to repeat, with respect to all of the tangible experiments that Tesla did, they are all conventional. I give him a lot of credit for being one of the first to explore a lot of stuff and do innovative research.
MileHigh
Some movies from the front!
Stefan
Quote:
2 New emails from Ismael:
The test Video result . The motor 11Kw powered by wall outlet or conventional supply = 45% effeciency only & my Ecar technology 125%.
Repelling force Test. conventional lifting a kilo by means of ordinary low speed motor up 33 feet & my repelling force 1:4 ratio. means if I consume 100 watts the conventional 400watts.
Video within few hours , but we made it in a fast forward mode. To see what happening inside the testing lab.
heres the link of my TV interview
http://gmanews.tv/video/74270/ub-filipino-inventor-nakadevelop-ng-self-charging
Aviso E car test result by DOE & DOST
Here's the link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cJW2On1E54
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Regards, Stefan.
Chet:
I watched the DOST & DOE testing clip. They had the car putting out about 400 mechanical watts at about 8 Km per hour. I assume that's about typical for a car. They didn't seem to test at a more reasonable city street driving speed, say 60 Km per hour. I am just going to guess that the dynamometer would normally be set to a few kilowatts of mechanical load at that speed.
That's not so important for now, because any results should be applicable and interesting.
What I didn't really get the sense of in watching the testing clip was how well the measurement of the electrical power supplied to the Ismael system was done. You saw a few ordinary looking scopes, etc, but that's all. You can't really measure the battery output power with an ordinary scope.
They are promising a DOST report next week. I see a potential big pitfall here. I am going to assume that the DOST shop was not set up to make precise battery output power measurements during the dyno testing. It's not their area of expertise and they appeared to leave that part to Ismael's people. That's a conflict of interest if that's true. You could see how the dyno test system the DOST people used was made to monitor a gasoline engine.
So the big question is related to the equivalent battery output power measurements and who did them and how well will they be documented. I didn't get a sense that those measurements were being made in a serious fashion in the clip.
I will try to watch the clip a second time tomorrow.
MileHigh
Some more data for Lunch !
hartiberlin
»Quote
New email from Isamel:
Testing figure
Testing DATA 5
Test1.
Meralco: 1,300watts/ 6.4amps./ 223 V Dyno: 291 Newton / 570 watts
Aviso tech: 308 watts/ 13amps / 23.74 v Dyno :210 Ntwn / 418 watts
Test2
Meralco: 2000watts/ 9.5Amps / 227V V Dyno: 455 Newton / 931 watts
Aviso tech: 306 watts/ 13amps / 23.6V Dyno: 210 Newton / 402 watts
Test3
Meralco: 2,300watts / 10.98amps / 229V Dyno: 507 newton / 1,100 watts
Aviso tech: 306 watts/ 13amps/ 23.56 V Dyno: 200 Newton / 389 watts
We drive outside few 100 meters & back again to LAB & again some testing, due
to they found two sets of batteries 7amps/12V in front of the Car. I told them supply only for
FAN & Microcontroller, but they don't believe so we test again for the 4th time & confirmed
no connection powering the motor & drops of volts & increase of current draw. Very minute
draw of current only either on or off of the motor.
Note: Actual Average time testing of AVISO tech 5 minutes. Two minutes running allocated for the
DYNO computer setting up.
Testing of repelling force.
6 times Conventional way of lifting a 1kilo coil & Using conventional small 12V DC low speed motor.
Height : 12 feet
Average Time to reach 12 feet : 0.9 sec.
Average Current draw : 0.93 amps
Battery : 12V / 24AH
FYMEGM repelling force by AVISO TECHN. 1Kilo coil
3 times repelling Battery start at 12.48 V end up 12.29V
Average Height: 26 feet
" Time: 1 sec
Battery: 9 V + 1.5V AA + 1.5 AA = 12volts
Note: I am Not satisfied re: the Height reached, but i don't have time to adjust to full power.
I told them, Once I recieve the enough funding. Next test will be 110 Kilometers per hour & until battery
it run down.
Ismael
There are too many unanswered questions about the preliminary data. For example, assuming the forklift motor that's in the car runs on 24 volts, how are they converting the 220 volts AC into 24-volt DC? There is supposed to be a more formal report released next week so we will wait and see.
The big fat issue looming over the report is that if it comes from the government testing lab it may only contain the dynamometer data and nothing about the electrical power data. From looking at the LCD monitor that's part of the dynamometer testing system you can see that it's designed to make measurements on vehicles with gasoline powered engines.
MileHigh
MH
Well, This is how bolt see'e things?
bolt
Quote:
Yes i will explain it all to you.
Meralco;1300 WATTS/6.4 AMPS/223 VOLTS .Dyno570 watts .
Meralco is the name of the city supply and it passes through very accurate metering system which measures a 1300 watt i/p. The Dyno is the watts on the car wheels after allowing for all losses in the system as the Dyno is basically a calibrated generator.
So you can see 1300 watt i/p versus 570 watts on the wheels. = 43% efficiency OR the system losses are 56%. This is made up of 66% efficiency of DC motor and 10% drive train losses. ..roughly. As you go through each test the losses are about 50% with some small variation depending on how fast the motor and drive train is running.
Now the Aviso Tech
308watts/13amps/23.74 volts ,Dyno418watts .
308 watts measured i/p from the batteries using calibrated shunts and accurate metering.
The Dyno records 418 watts on the wheels which equates to about 12 to 18mph. Now remember there is a system loss of 50% we know this from the mains data sets. So 418 is multiplied by TWO to allow for reversing the loss = 836 watts. This is what the MEG must be supplying to give the watts on the dyno.
836/308 = COP 2.714 This the the GAIN of the MEG device.
If stood on a glass table supplied with 1000 watts i/p it will light 2714 watts worth of lamps or heaters.
That said this is a prototype and Ismael said more than about 25 mph the MEG delivers too much power and things start smoking. I figure it can run no more than 5kw at the moment without problems driving the 11kw DC motor.
You can do the other data sets and always the mains loss is roughly 50% from wall power to wheels and the Aviso tech reversing the losses for the data provides a COP of 2.7 through out the test. So despite the glamorous sounding technology its no better that other OU Meg devices already shown alike looped RV's and the Bulgarian MEG etc also has a COP of around 3.
Now we have to give Ismael praise where its due as he is one of the first to have an OU device measured by government DOT engineers so now it has 3rd party verification its a real ZPE OU system albeit not the best when comparing to the TPU or Kapanadze etc. As i said in the other forum don't lose sleep over how this coil shorting and cascading thing actually works as there are dozens of other systems capable of COP 3 which is indicative of pulsing and dump to cap techniques most of which is open source for decades. Even magnacoster coil banging with magnet will do COP >3
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So 1000 watts can make 2700 Watts just by slapping the coils around?
Sounds good!
Chet
Bolt is just dreaming and is apparently on a permanent free energy acid trip. If what he said is true then they should just rip the MEG out of Ismael's electric car and get the whole dawning of the Age of Aquarius thing going already.
There is not a single MEG in existence. If Bolt has any electronics bench skills he should take up my challenge from a few postings back to test to see if the coil shorting technique works.
People like Bolt are the reason that Bedini releases "Free Energy from the Vacuum" DVDs on a regular basis. Bedini is harvesting the free money that comes from the Sun pouring free energy down on the Earth.
MileHigh
Here is a funny and apropos comment posted on Sterling's site:
QuoteIs this a scam or not?
I don't know... I mean it's not as if he's selling magic water from his website that he claims can cure cancer.
Oh, wait a minute, he is.
Never mind. Maybe his magic water does cure cancer. And maybe his car really does suck energy from the air and isn't just using a hidden battery pack. I mean, if it *was* using hidden batteries he'd have to stop it after 30 mins or so and come up with some excuse as to why it can't be driven for a longer period.
Oh, wait a minute, he is.
But that doesn't necessarily mean it *is* being run from a hidden battery bank.
We'll know the truth when it is put forward for independent testing...
...unless, God forbid, some unforeseen event prevents it from being tested independently.
But that isn't likely to happen, IS IT?
Nope. I'm sure if some unforeseen event *does* happen to prevent it form being tested, it will just be a coincidence.
A Morning Movie From Panacea,
Enjoy
Credits to all.
REFRESH
http://panacea-bocaf.org/ismaelaviso.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcyPVgf6Q0Y&feature=feedu
Ash
Chet:
Ash almost always believes that some sort of free energy technology is real before it has been properly vetted. He has probably been doing his thing for about 10 years now. He refers to Ismael as a microwave engineer and I don't get any vibe from Ismael that he is or was an engineer. I made reference to that in a previous posting.
Here is a new example:
QuoteFYMEGM repelling force by AVISO TECHN. 1Kilo coil
3 times repelling Battery start at 12.48 V end up 12.29V
Average Height: 26 feet
" Time: 1 sec
Battery: 9 V + 1.5V AA + 1.5 AA = 12volts
That doesn't sound like an engineer at all.
Giantkiller:
I would still like to hear your comments about this video:
What do you see? Do you see a sideshow or a purpose?
MileHigh
It's Nikola Tesla's Wardenclyffe setup on a smaller scale. The environment is resonated and the receiver sees it.
Quote from: giantkiller on 2011.02.27, 04:56:39
It's Nikola Tesla's Wardenclyffe setup on a smaller scale. The environment is resonated and the receiver sees it.
I agree with you although it's not literally the "environment" that's resonating. The environment around the setup hidden behind the panel is being subject to a varying magnetic field. However, what you are not discussing is the efficiency of the energy transfer between the transmitter and the receiver. It might be roughly 5% in this demo. Therefore it's not a practical way to disseminate power in the way I think some Tesla enthusiasts think it can be applied. They think that the Wardenclyffe tower was a practical way to distribute power around the world that was never realized by Tesla. In fact it's not the case and it's not a practical application for power dissemination. Not to mention the fact that people would not tolerate living an environment with high-intensity EM waves pervasive in their surroundings. Not to also mention the fact that the Wardenclyffe tower would require a huge power source if it actually was practical. That could be a coal or oil-fired power plant, or a hydro dam, or a nuke plant. The Wardenclyffe tower doesn't just magically create power out of nothing. Have you thought about these issues?
So in that sense it's a sideshow. It has no practical application in the day to day powering of our society. All that you ever see at Tesla gatherings and shows is a demonstration of electrical arcing or the magnetic coupling at a distance like you see in this clip. It's basically a demonstration of a high frequency high voltage and very weak transformer coupling between two coil setups. I can't think of one real-world application for this stuff besides Tesla gatherings and demos at science centers.
So what do you think? Can you name any practical applications for this stuff?
MileHigh
MH
Another fellow makes suggestions to Woopy
He also posted a PDF/ Patent [Attached]
From this institute of heresy
DEVELOPMENT OF MINIATURE PULSED POWER GENERATOR
Z. Liξ, K. Matsunaga, D. Wang, T. Namihira, T. Sakugawa, S. Katsuki and H. Akiyama
Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering, Kumamoto University,
2-39-1 Kurokami, Kumamoto 860-8555, Japan
Quite different than the comments you made MH.....................
From here
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10398.msg276431#new
yssuraxu_697
Quote:
Woopy, you have good nose
With reasonable confidence I can say that to access this "effect" one needs very sharp gradients and/or exiting coil at its resonance frequency,
Easiest way to hit resonant frequency is to use spark gap, reed in this application works as spark gap. Thats why people have seen good results with reed and virtually nothing with transistors etc. Ordinary solid state components when driven in ordinary way are slow and transparent for HF and just do not work in this application.
For those who are trying to make solid state version, good choice would be russian "kacher" type circuit. There solid state components are "shockwave" driven and give desired effects. (NB! Kacher can and will affect your health, strong RF emission! NB!)
I dont see how one can easily combine very sharp gradients at exactly right frequency with rotary version and transistors etc. So I would bet on heavy duty reed or some other component exibiting wide spectrum sharp gradient "white noise" emission (and physical breaking of circuit).
Also series AC cap is a must. When there is AC cap in series, Ohm and Kirchhoff do not apply. And thats already half-done deal.
Also forget about directly measuring amps out of this contraption! This power is only good for driving not resistive loads (or charging acid batteries)! To use it for resistive load you must first transform it.
And as always, trust no one, follow your instincts, progress only after replicating basic effects
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Also posted this File with the comment
Look Familiar??
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Chet
Chet:
The implicit goal behind any testing of the pulsing of a coil should be to see whether or not any excess energy is produced. This is what Doug Konzen and Ismael Aviso are claiming. In addition, we know that this idea comes up in one form or another all the time, RomeroUK being one of the more recent ones.
Whatever YouTube clips are being made right now by the various participants are not really that serious in terms of trying to test the claim. Rather, they are simply attempts at replications that are being done to observe some sort of effect. The same thing applies to the discussions. The discussions are just talk about the methods to reproduce the effect, and they don't discuss making measurements to verify or refute the claim. The simple truth is that the people involved don't possess the knowledge, experience, or skills to test for the claim. So this is just a bunch of people having fun with electronics and they are ignoring the "hard stuff." I find that frustrating at times but that's just the way it is. Take the example of Imhotep's "Free Energy at Last Step by Step Must See." That probably dragged on for a full year (848 postings on EF alone) and not a single person actually tested for the claim of free energy as far as I am aware. I raised that issue with Imhotep himself a few times and he was mute.
The comments by Yssuraxu_697 are nothing to get excited about, see the previous paragraph. He is a neophyte and it's all free energy hot air with no substance.
The pdf document, on the other hand, looks 100% legit and the boys should study it and try to understand it. The document makes no claims at all about the production of excess energy. I suppose if you are overexcited and you read "PULSED POWER GENERATOR" in the title you can delude yourself into thinking it's about the generation of free energy.
That's the deal. Nobody is going to make a serious attempt to verify Doug Konzen or Ismael Aviso's claims. Therefore Doug and Ismael are "safe" relative to the OU and EF forums. It's all part and parcel of how the "system" works and if you open your eyes you will see Ismael play the system to try and squeeze out as many PayPal donations as possible. If he ever gets found out, he will disappear. People like Ash are unwitting aiders and abettors to support the system. Ash has already made a video clip asking for donations when there is not a single shred of evidence that Ismael has anything that's real. The visit to the government transportation lab was a farce because it looked like Ismael's people hooked up ordinary scopes to the batteries and ordinary scopes cannot measure the battery output power. The only legit numbers coming out of that visit were the mechanical watts output by the drive wheels as measured by the dynamometer. Nobody wants to state this because it will ruin the buzz.
Sterling is also an unwitting aider and abettor to this whole drama. Sterling is an aider and abettor because he is looking for a potential future slice of the pie but there is never going to be any pie.
Quote Sterling:
QuoteOpen sourcing doesn't mean just giving the technology away. (Ref.) Any commercial venture would be expected to provide a royalty of say 7%, most of which would go to the inventor, with a portion going to those entities (e.g. PES Network, OverUnity.com, Panacea BOCAF) that administer and propagate the project.
The notion that Sterling is going to "administer and propagate the project" is also laughable. What the hell does Sterling know about engineering a product and then setting up a factory and putting it into mass production? I am going to guess zero.
MileHigh
MH
You are such a party Pooper!
But I love yah Man...................
Chet
If Ismael is long gone six months from now and nobody has managed to prove a coil can produce excess energy then you can at least say that I was right.
If I prevent anybody from sending any money to that con artist for his battery-powered dune buggy or his magic water then that's at least a moral victory and I made the world a slightly better place.
The party-pooper is Ismael, he is making the world a worse off place.
It makes me think of an ugly story, and there is no connection at all to Doug or Ismael. It's about the old days of tube TVs. A poor old widow on her government pension calls the TV repair shop and they send a technician over. That poor little old lady would be at the mercy of the TV repair shop. It might have been just one tube that needed replacing, and back in the day unscrupulous TV repair shops would regularly turn a $35 repair job into a $400 repair job and suck the life out of people. Just awful, such offensive behaviour.
A ex friend of mind told me the story, he was an on-call TV repair guy on the road for a few years in the 1970s and his boss would suck little old ladies dry.
Meanwhile Doug's clip about his magic motor that harnesses back-EMF pulses is still on YouTube and the clip must have been made about 10 years ago by now. Note that nobody is using "Doug Konzen Special Magic Electric Motors" after all this time. Like I said, Doug and Ismael barely know what they are talking about themselves when it comes to electronics.
MileHigh
Here is a new update from Sterling and it's absolutely mind-blowing.
http://pesn.com/2011/03/01/9501775_Aviso_Envisions_1_Million_Self-Charging_EV_Retrofit_Stations_by_2011_End/ (http://pesn.com/2011/03/01/9501775_Aviso_Envisions_1_Million_Self-Charging_EV_Retrofit_Stations_by_2011_End/)
HHMMMmmmmmmmmmmm
Whacky stuff!
You must be lovin this part?Gloating and all.............
BUT,this could lead to WTH<- Heck] is really going on with coil shorting?
I know you feel its a measurement error thats allowing for the 20 plus percent U.O.in Ismael's circuit
And this time I think there will be some real testing to do !
Chet
PS
I also think you'll be adding to your "Frame of reference",
RE: O.U. :o
Chet:
I am not gloating, I am more frustrated with the way the process unfolds.
Look at this quote from someone on the pesn.com page:
QuoteA 6000 watt hour battery will power 800w of light bulbs at full brightness for 7.5 hours.
So what does running the same 800w load for 4 hours prove?
It's gotten so ridiculous it's not even worth rebutting the points in Sterling's articles.
MileHigh
We need more content!.
It builds intellect and garners profitabiity.
Quote from: MileHigh on 2011.02.27, 05:34:25
I agree with you although it's not literally the "environment" that's resonating. The environment around the setup hidden behind the panel is being subject to a varying magnetic field. However, what you are not discussing is the efficiency of the energy transfer between the transmitter and the receiver. It might be roughly 5% in this demo. Therefore it's not a practical way to disseminate power in the way I think some Tesla enthusiasts think it can be applied. They think that the Wardenclyffe tower was a practical way to distribute power around the world that was never realized by Tesla. In fact it's not the case and it's not a practical application for power dissemination. Not to mention the fact that people would not tolerate living an environment with high-intensity EM waves pervasive in their surroundings. Not to also mention the fact that the Wardenclyffe tower would require a huge power source if it actually was practical. That could be a coal or oil-fired power plant, or a hydro dam, or a nuke plant. The Wardenclyffe tower doesn't just magically create power out of nothing. Have you thought about these issues?
So in that sense it's a sideshow. It has no practical application in the day to day powering of our society. All that you ever see at Tesla gatherings and shows is a demonstration of electrical arcing or the magnetic coupling at a distance like you see in this clip. It's basically a demonstration of a high frequency high voltage and very weak transformer coupling between two coil setups. I can't think of one real-world application for this stuff besides Tesla gatherings and demos at science centers.
So what do you think? Can you name any practical applications for this stuff?
MileHigh
This Gentleman triggered a neon-buld-based detector at a distance of several feet with a Tesla coil. Is it possible that high energy electrons (beta particles) triggered the detector (ionized the neon)?
http://www.sas.org/tcs/weeklyIssues_2010/2010-04-02/project1/index.html
(By the way, beta particles can travel several feet in air.)
MH
More from The man with all the batteries!{Ismael}
Plus A mornin movie [at the bottom]
hartiberlin
»QuoteHere are some more emails from Ismael:
2:30pm I check again the running MEG , but the brightness of the bulb a little bit dim. I check the batteries, I found the battery from 265v down to 254v . I check individual voltage of the 21 batteries. I found out Two Battery that was used to power my controller & other sensor down to 7.8v & the other one down to 6.2v. but the rest still in the good level of voltage.
Replace it three times the 75AH capacity compared to the other 19 batteries24 AH. To accomodate the Microcontrollers & sensor drain. After the replacement back again to 261V & back again to the MARATHON Testing of the household power genset of the future the MEG.
Ismael
We just bought a new tester.
Here's exactly my MEG set up. temporarily I have series of batteries up to 265V/ 24AH.( total of 21set of 12V batteries ) Since yesterday testing 4 hours same batteries.
I supply it to the MEG resonator & my MEG output connected to a load of 2,000watts bulbs.
Today Since 10:15 am up to 1:40pm = 3 & 25 minutes running untill now. The voltage drop from 265v down to 260v.
This measurement of voltage while the MEG is running. Not when is power off.
The measurement between the power Off & On condition with 2 volts difference. from 265V at off condition & it will down 263 v if the MEG start.
If you will measure from off condition,, totally you will not notice the voltage difference & sometimes it goes higher to 270V.
The load not a exactly 2,000watts, but only 800watts since the volts accross the load only vary from 85v - 92v.
ismael
batteries is 12V 24H Motolite AGM type. Bulbs 100watts 220V incandescent GE.
I swicth off my MEG at 5:45pm, I need to go for church activity. As well to ask more guidance & Blessing for humanity. Start from 10:15am,interrupted for 15 minutes & run again up to 5:45pm , Battery drops to 251v. So far so good I think I am more than 197% already. I will try to increase tomorrow, if give the chance.
Ismael
OK Guy's you can post now the video
Thanks
Ismael
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zv8sn7eTgt4
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Regards, Stefan.
More WAKE UP time for the people following Ismael:
From his YouTube page:
>>>>
" MEG BREAKTHROUGH " Today March 3 3pm
MEG with resistive load equivalent of 1,000watts. The bulbs is 2,000 watts, 220v, 20 pcs. but the volts across the bulb terminal was 110v only
Running more than 2 hours now . Start at 270 v after two hours still at 270v. Measurement made while the MEG running, not a OFF condition.
The Battery 21pcs. x 12v = 6000 watts.
Battery will be replace by a converter to reduce the number of the Battery down to 1 set of 12Volts
>>>
Monitoring battery voltages means absolutely nothing. The sentence, "The Battery 21pcs. x 12v = 6000 watts." doesn't even makes sense.
From an email to Stefan:
>>>
We just bought a new tester.
Here's exactly my MEG set up. temporarily I have series of batteries up to 265V/ 24AH.( total of 21set of 12V batteries ) Since yesterday testing 4 hours same batteries.
I supply it to the MEG resonator & my MEG output connected to a load of 2,000watts bulbs.
Today Since 10:15 am up to 1:40pm = 3 & 25 minutes running untill now. The voltage drop from 265v down to 260v.
This measurement of voltage while the MEG is running. Not when is power off.
The measurement between the power Off & On condition with 2 volts difference. from 265V at off condition & it will down 263 v if the MEG start.
If you will measure from off condition,, totally you will not notice the voltage difference & sometimes it goes higher to 270V.
The load not a exactly 2,000watts, but only 800watts since the volts accross the load only vary from 85v - 92v.
ismael
>>>
The pulsing inductor (presumably) that forms Ismael's MEG output sustains between 85 and 92 volts across an individual 220-volt 100-watt light bulb. You assume that he has 20 of these light bulbs and that's how he gets a potential 2000 watt load.
So Ismael says this to himself: If I have 220 volts across each of the 20 bulbs then I draw 2000 watts of power. In my case I have about 90 volts across each light bulb. Therefore my power draw must be (90/220) * 2000 watts = 818 watts. Therefore I will round it down to 800 watts and make this statement, "The load not a exactly 2,000watts, but only 800watts since the volts accross the load only vary from 85v - 92v."
This shows you that Ismael DOES NOT EVEN KNOW THE MOST FUNDAMENTAL BASICS ABOUT ELECTRICITY. The power dissipated in a load is proportional to the SQUARE of the voltage.
WAKE UP TIME PEOPLE!
MileHigh
MH
Are you sure your not gloating yet?
He should definately switch to LED's and get more batteries.....................................
Chet
He shouldn't switch to LEDs. Mscoffman is wrong. LEDs are one of the hardest things to measure for power dissipation because they are nonlinear.
There was some incredibly low-hanging fruit so I grabbed it.
MH
It was a joke...............................
Chet
Chet:
Don't mind me I didn't mean to sound so serious!
MileHigh
A microwave engineer, huh? I think what this actually means is that Ismael is the first in his family to figure out how to prepare frozen TV dinners.
Sterling makes Ashtweth look like a die-hard skeptic these days. I have never seen such absolute BS with so much hype! The world of free energy has reached a new peak of incredulity.
Humbugger
bolt makes a cogent observation,
Quote:
Proper measurements are very easy to do. The use of battery terminal voltages and guessing lamp brightness will always have a massive discrepancy. Despite the fact the DOE car tests clearly showed a good OU device these silly tests without proper measurements will not do Ismeal any favours.
Put a volt meter on the batteries and a current shunt to get i/p watts. Do the same with the load. Volts and AMPS and then a scope shot to make sure we are looking at either SINE or DC on the o/p A 3kw electric heater is a good load and then measure accurately the power going to it.
If the MEG is unchanged from the car data tests it has a COP of 2.7. For 1000 watt load the battery will be providing around 370 watts.
A 24Ah battery has about 288 watt hour so two in series capacity 576 watt hour. However lead acid is rated at 20 hour discharge. Within 1 or 2 hour discharges capacity can be 30% less. This assuming the batteries are brand new is enough to supply 1kw out of the meg for about 90 mins while the battery load is a constant 370 watts.
Its loopable assuming 1kw is a 24/7 comfortable MEG figure without over heating. 370 watts needs to go back plus losses could need a total of 470 watts going back if using inverters and lead batteries. This means it can loop and run a 530 watt load indefinitely.
However it would be so much better to see all this properly measured and recorded. Its also interesting that Ismael is considering using the MEG as a power source as i strongly suggested about a year ago without it being tied to an electric car.
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Chet
PS
370 watts ?
Thats an awful big Measurement error!
Energy from the Fleether [Grumpy's flea fart senario]
Quote from: humbugger on 2011.03.03, 19:56:06
A microwave engineer, huh? I think what this actually means is that Ismael is the first in his family to figure out how to prepare frozen TV dinners.
Sterling makes Ashtweth look like a die-hard skeptic these days. I have never seen such absolute BS with so much hype! The world of free energy has reached a new peak of incredulity.
Humbugger
Don't assume value to the claimed titles. It is common for titles to be self-proclaimed, assigned by an employer or head family member in some countries. I have experience with this problem in my real life. Many have the word 'Engineer' attached to their names. This means almost nothing to us when it comes from several parts of the world. The Philippines is one of them.
'Microwave Engineer' could mean 'TV Dish Installer'.
From user Haither at OU here http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10467.msg276677#new
The first sentence says it all
Quote:
Hi,
since the new algorithm of Prof. Turtur came out which promised the possibility to extract energy from the vacuum with simple parts i saw the need to make an easy-to-use software in which every user could enter their values for coil, magnet and capacitor and let the software determine the energy output. Also many more steps than the original 10,000 are supported.
So if you wondering if you will be able to extract energy with coil, cap and magnet you have at home, enter the values as exact as possible and let the calculation begin.
This is now the first version i'm releasing - as open source software under GPL - in which all parameters can be edited and the output is logged via a log.html file and also an Octave/Matlab-file which is able to plot the results.
I won't have much time to work on the software, nevertheless please post or message me features you'd like to see in future versions.
Attached is a picture of a possible output.
Download DFEM-Software Mirrors (feel free to scan for viruses before using it):
http://www.easy-share.com/1914093403/DFEM_v1.0_Cpp_04_March_2011.rar
http://www.filedropper.com/dfemv10cpp04march2011
http://www.filedude.com/download/z2ev28Ru385bf65fee9f
http://hotfile.com/dl/108646689/9afbd76/DFEM_v1.0_Cpp_04_March_2011.rar.html
http://uploadmb.com/dw.php?id=1299245885
http://ifile.it/2gd6viu
Download Octave:
Open Source Octave (Matlab like clone)
http://www.gnu.org/software/octave/
GUI Octave for IDE front end under windows
https://sites.google.com/site/guioctave/
Note that the coil has to be cylindrical and that the magnet inside the coil should have the smallest gap possible to the inner diameter of the coil.
Have fun!
synchro1
Quote:
Here's the link to Ismael's new video. He describes the ground scouring charge effect demonstrated by Altrez as "Inductive Collapse".
{The Altrez Vid mentioned above}
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJP1xRvevoc
Ismaels new vid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f36lPtGeybM
I believe this quote implies that Ismael or an associate is posting and watching the OU forums
From iald
Quote:
Don't worry Ismael so exited & tired ( mistake on calculation usually happen to any devoted inventor's ) on His MEG R & D newly born less than two weeks after they assemble it. We have new two video showing the big difference between a normal load of 1,000 watts & the voltage drop per minute, against 1,000 load with MEG system & voltage drop per minute using same batteries. They have very big difference.
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Chet
PS
Sigh,
A side note,I'm staying at a friends ,The sound works on this computer [spell check too]
I see that having Sound doesn't help me understand any better!
PPS
I asked Syncro for the Link to the Microwave Ground scouring comment
http://pesn.com/2011/03/02/9501776_Aviso_Solid_State_Generator_Makes_Hundreds_of_Watts/
OK MH,
now this is interesting
Ismael harvesting [energy] in the field!
http://www.artifacting.com/blog/2010/09/15/climbing-a-1768-foot-transmission-tower/
Chet
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How its done
From bolt
Quote;
This is quite old technology for a few of us although some of you have only just started to use it. Kone has been shorting coils on his generators for a few years now and advancing to multiple shorts per sine wave PEAKS only. For each time you hit the coil peak sine wave the power is amplified again and again reaching hundreds of volts from what would normally be just a few volts without shorting. Its a hammer on the bell!
To do this properly requires an AVR/ Arduino/PIC micro processor to sample the incoming wave form then apply 5 to 100 shorts each lasting just a couple of uS's right on TOP of the sine starting 2 degrees BTDC and ending 2 degrees ATDC creates incredible high power and high frequency harmonics.
The "poor mans" version is to use 555's in order of Zero Point Schmitt trigger, Sine wave peak delay, Window Width generator, Coil shorting Spike Astable running usually at least 20 to 100 times faster than carrier the o/p goes into coil shorting IGBT's rated at least 1500v and very low turn on ohms. This type of setup with a large heavy coils should generate hundreds of watts.
This modulates the carrier and these harmonics can then be pulled off using series resonance tuned RF alike demodulator power stages more advanced then just adding a cap and hoping for the best. Requires RF tuning and matching skills to capture this properly without wasting it.
Its the basis for Ismael Aviso MEG technology once you get up to shorting coils of several thousands of volts and dumping into HV oil caps.
BTW try adding neo magnets in 5 to 1 ratio as Magnacoaster and drive only at the Bloch Wall. Now you have solid state generator and dump those reed switches and halls no longer required.
Chet:
About 20 postings back I suggested that someone do a bench test to see if what Bolt/Aviso/Doug is saying is true or not. A lot of the contributors have the bench setups to do the research if they want to.
Bolt lives in a universe where his statements make sense to him. The problem is that there are no hard facts on the ground to give substance to what he says. It would be fun to have a "showdown" on the bench with him to set things right. Set up a shorting coil experiment and do the data gathering and analysis together. Bolt would become a new man after he did the testing himself and saw what the data revealed.
It's amazing how the notion that an inductor is a source of free energy is so strongly embedded into the fabric of the free energy mindset. It's so deeply entrenched that it self-propagates. It's like the ultimate old wives' tale.
For all the cross-posting you do here, why don't you do me a favour and cross-post this back into the OU thread.
MileHigh
Quote from: ramset on 2011.03.06, 21:17:55
...
To do this properly requires an AVR/ Arduino/PIC micro processor to sample the incoming wave form then apply 5 to 100 shorts each lasting just a couple of uS's right on TOP of the sine starting 2 degrees BTDC and ending 2 degrees ATDC creates incredible high power and high frequency harmonics.
...
This modulates the carrier and these harmonics can then be pulled off using series resonance tuned RF alike demodulator power stages more advanced then just adding a cap and hoping for the best. Requires RF tuning and matching skills to capture this properly without wasting it.
...
BTW try adding neo magnets in 5 to 1 ratio as Magnacoaster and drive only at the Bloch Wall. Now you have solid state generator and dump those reed switches and halls no longer required.
Shouldn't it be possible to apply the "shorting" technique
to an ordinary line operated transformer secondary winding?
Has anyone tried such an experiment yet?
Would you be willing to offer any amplifying/clarifying commentary
to the final statement regarding the Neo Magnets and the "solid state
generator?" Interesting...
MH
If you were a person with a bench,who performed experiments and shared opensource,i would post that invite in a second![bolt has a strong work ethic,he's a doer ]
@Dumped
I'd like to know that myself!
Chet
Chet:
Some of them probably read here anyways. Don't give me the "if you preformed experiments" line though, that Jeff Bit's-and-Bytes nonsense talk. It's the peer pressure you are succumbing too. You have no problem posting the stuff from the boys on the OU thread here, but you are afraid to post what I say here over there. It's a double-standard. I would get some satisfaction seeing my statement about a coil not being a source of energy dropped right into the middle of their discussion. That way they couldn't pretend to ignore.
Fahrenheit 451 gives me the chills.
MileHigh
Quote from: MileHigh on 2011.03.06, 22:57:06
Chet:
Some of them probably read here anyways. Don't give me the "if you preformed experiments" line though, that Jeff Bit's-and-Bytes talk. MileHigh
Yep sure, just had to try and pull me in again when the tough gets going. Ramset is right along with a ton of others MileHigh, How can you continue to to say that you are an expert without doing any of the work yourself. Hell, you get the opportunity to call me by my first and last name. You even get to see what I design and build, but you do not have the guts to say who you are or show your worth(less) to this community. You must be getting paid big bucks by big oil. All you do is bash, and criticize the very communities that are trying to make a change. So you get the Nay Sayer Award. Way to go. Place it proudly above your arm chair where others can view in the place you contribute the most!
Quote from: Bits-n-Bytes on 2011.03.06, 23:27:41
Yep sure, just had to try and pull me in again when the tough gets going. Ramset is right along with a ton of others MileHigh, How can you continue to to say that you are an expert without doing any of the work yourself. Hell, you get the opportunity to call me by my first and last name. You even get to see what I design and build, but you do not have the guts to say who you are or show your worth(less) to this community. You must be getting paid big bucks by big oil. All you do is bash, and criticize the very communities that are trying to make a change. So you get the Nay Sayer Award. Way to go. Place it proudly above your arm chair where others can view in the place you contribute the most!
You are such a broken record Jeff and you got some jabs in too! You also make a fool of yourself yet again with respect to the identity issue. I replied to it last time in detail and I am sure you read it. Yet you are pretending that you didn't read it and you just go and repeat yourself, making a fool of yourself in the process. You have probably gone over this issue a half-dozen times. It's ridiculous. I am not going to risk putting myself in danger, no matter how small the risk might be. That had better sink into your brain Jeff.
Communities that are trying to make a change? Certainly some people are and clearly some others aren't. If I ever saw something of merit from your associates I would say so. Right now I don't see a single thing.
The title of this clip is "Renaissance Charge Free Energy Lawnmower." Do you really and truly believe that this thing runs on free energy because it charges one bank of batteries while it runs and drains the main bank? Can you swap the two banks of batteries back and forth thousands of times and keep running your "free energy lawnmower" until the batteries eventually wear out?
If you believe any of this then you are a complete idiot. Not to mention the fact that Rick has never ever produced any credible test data about the "free energy lawnmower" or any other related device as far as I am aware.
It's just part of a pseudo-high-tech Carney pitch to get the customers at the concessions to throw quarters at plates in hopes of winning free energy stuffed pink bunnies. The only problem is that the customer money losses are far superior to the pink bunny returns. The same would apply to the lawnmower, the energy losses would be far superior to the energy returns.
MileHigh
Quote from: MileHigh on 2011.03.07, 01:33:01
You are such a broken record MileHigh
"Foul" Deception. Dude you can't even compete. Give it up. Your "MO." (motive) is to always deflect the truth. You have not built any thing, so all you can do is change the subject and try and deflect. I hope that "Nay Sayer" award is shinning brightly in your spot above your arm chair!
MH
If this does what bolt says it can,then they'll get it running on caps ,then they'll get it Looping ,
Then you'll have more to "test"!
I believe this will happen this month! [one way or the other].
This is the most I have seen bolt involved ,I like it!
Chet
MH
Quote:
It's the peer pressure you are succumbing too. You have no problem posting the stuff from the boys on the OU thread here, but you are afraid to post what I say here over there. It's a double-standard. I would get some satisfaction seeing my statement about a coil not being a source of energy dropped right into the middle of their discussion. That way they couldn't pretend to ignore.
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Your makin me feel guilty!,
Are you gonna go right to the "Triple dog dare"?
chet
Quote from: Bits-n-Bytes on 2011.03.06, 23:27:41
You must be getting paid big bucks by big oil. All you do is bash, and criticize the very communities that are trying to make a change. So you get the Nay Sayer Award.
LOL. This has for many years become the standard response to anyone that is in the least sceptical or doubting about these various free energy claims. It's the card that is always played in futile attempts to discredit anyone who asks the wrong questions or is not satisfied with the answers. Basically anyone with half-a-brain that will not conform.
By your logic, I too must work for 'Big Oil' and be in line for the Naysayers award, as I'm also a hardened sceptic and very critical of the science - or lack thereof. Still waiting for my first paycheck from them tho'! :D
Jeff:
Like usual it's a topsy-turvy world with you. None of my questions to you for real experimental evidence to back up your claims have ever been answered and you continuously attempt deflection with the "build something/armchair" line. You also played the "Big Oil" card. You ignored my questions about Rick and the battery-powered lawnmower.
You've got nothing and the last conference was a big demonstration of under unity toys, battery chargers that drain one bank of batteries to charge another bank of batteries for a net loss of energy. The next conference will be the same thing.
Here is an example of how ridiculous it can get: Jeff, for your 10-coiler, what is the power consumption in watts from the the source battery bank, and what is the power output in watts to the charging battery bank?
Probably the most basic question about your 10-coiler and I assume that you don't know the answer. I have asked you before and you have ignored the question every time. There is a very good chance that you don't even know how to make those measurements. Chances are that none of the attendees to the next conference will ask that question either. If someone does ask the question, the reply will be deflected away by Rick or someone else by saying "You can't measure this energy with multimeters." It illustrates how much of a farce the whole thing is.
Chet:
Bolt and the boys are going to make a shorting coil system self-run by routing the output back to the input and using a big capacitor to act like a battery? I hope that they really do that experiment and I hope someone in the group actually knows what they are doing. Bolt will be in for a big surprise when he sees the setup fail to self-run.
And it is a double-standard and I can only ask and I respect your choices. I can't tell anybody what to do. But I can say again that Bolt has got glazed eyes and is on a free energy acid trip.
Farrah:
Yes indeed, the "Big Oil" card was played by Jeff. One can only hope that the truth will prevail one day. People have got to start asking the right questions and ask for experimental proof for various free energy claims. During the July Renaissance conference I want to see people taking shifts riding the magic self-charging electric lawn mower so that it runs 24 hours a day non-stop for the entire duration of the conference!
MileHigh
Regrettably the results Prof Tutur was getting in his latest published simulations were due to artefact's caused by using large step sizes. We have done simulations with adequately small step sizes -- and all hints of OU disappear.
MH
Quote:
And it is a double-standard and I can only ask and I respect your choices. I can't tell anybody what to do.
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Well actually ,in my book, I owe you,I have learned an awful lot from your posts!
Some fellows in these forums just treat me like an idiot,and they don't explain things!
You take the time [well spent ] to explain!
This whole thing[coil razzal dazzle] is getting right to the place that it has to be.
Will it run on a Capacitor with gain?Please be patient.
Chet
Quote from: MileHigh on 2011.03.07, 09:54:13
Farrah:
Yes indeed, the "Big Oil" card was played by Jeff. One can only hope that the truth will prevail one day. People have got to start asking the right questions and ask for experimental proof for various free energy claims.
MileHigh
LOL. It will never happen MH, because the people that fall, hook, line and sinker for this stuff are not only gullible in the extreme, but also sadly not educated enough to even form the right questions in their minds, let alone ask them. The scammers thrive on these people, and let's face, from the general mentality of the masses, the scammers and con artists will be in business for a very long time to come.
Like you, I'm never welcome at the party because I upset too many people by asking the 'wrong' questions! C.C
QuoteI am not a Tesla fanboy, and the research and technology that he developed has largely been superseded by newer technology. That's progress for you. Everything that Tesla did was 100% conventional.
-MileHigh
Oh yeah? Try this:
Dr. Konstantin Meyl -- Tesla Scalar Wave Theory and Experimentshttp://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=754.0 (http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=754.0)
How do you explain lighting lights at quadruple the distance with no Hertzian power loss proportional to R^2? Obviously there is more to the story -- the best theoretical and practical explanation being Tesla scalar waves.
By the way MileHigh, it is my opinion you are a professional disinformer involved in 'Information Operations' (IO) and 'Digital Engagement' (DE). The same goes for Farrah Day. This opinion has been shared with me in private by other researchers. Anyone arguing with you is wasting their time. Shall we play 'guess your employer'? I'm pretty good at that game, you know.
Revealed: Air Force ordered software to manage army of fake virtual peopleQuote
Though many questions remain about how the military would apply such technology, the reasonable fear should be perfectly clear. "Persona management software" can be used to manipulate public opinion on key information, such as news reports. An unlimited number of virtual "people" could be marshaled by only a few real individuals, empowering them to create the illusion of consensus.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/02/18/revealed-air-force-ordered-software-to-manage-army-of-fake-virtual-people/ (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/02/18/revealed-air-force-ordered-software-to-manage-army-of-fake-virtual-people/)
Tesla Scalar Waves Suppressed from EE Textbooks... What else is missing?The only reason I am posting this is to bring to the attention of all honest and open-minded readers
gross errors in textbook electrodynamics. I want individuals who may have been influenced or discouraged by your shallow yet self-proclaimed 'authority' to understand that
the experiment is the ONLY way to get at the truth , truth which was been suppressed for over 100 years. Tesla is a critical point of departure for anyone interested in free energy research, and the information I posted is critical for understanding the theory and practice of a small -- but key -- part of this suppressed information... Scalar Waves.
Meyl's scalar wave experimentation device also blows the bullshit and drivel you have been posting sky high. A mile perhaps.
There is a place for skepticism against charlatans, of which there are many. All free energy claims should be subjected to scrutiny and replication of the device. However, MileHigh, your attempts to control the discourse, and your attempts to discourage others from experimenting on their own terms illustrate your interest lies not with the truth, but rather in narrowing the scope of knowledge.
If this was my board, I would have banned you long ago. Just like at overunity.com.
QuoteLike you, I'm never welcome at the party because I upset too many people by asking the 'wrong' questions!
-Farrah Day
No , you are not welcome at the party because you are a professional disinformer. You don't ask questions -- you make claims and appeals to conventional knowledge. Your purpose is to discourage experimentation on the subject of water electrolysis (HHO) and other related phenomenon, and to control the discourse with your self-proclaimed 'expertise'. This is textbook COINTELPRO , and I am calling both of you out publicly. Anyone with half a brain that reviews both your posts will see a constant pattern of negativity, discouragement, appeal to so-called experts, and insistence that breakthroughs are impossible. These are psychological tactics, and both of you are reprehensible for participating in such activity.
Well Feynman,
I can see it is going to be fun sparring with you from time to time. I can assure you that I am realer than real. For what it's worth from what I have seen so far I would characterize you as being slightly "off," a nearly rabid believer in fringe-anything.
As far as the virtual people stuff goes, I am sure that goes on. You can see it in the commercial sector, where there are websites that have fake product reviews. I am sure that in realms of national security that it's going on. It simply has to be going on. It's done to infiltrate terrorist cells. It's also used by law enforcement to find pedophiles and other criminals.
But when you look at the free energy cottage industry, it's not nearly as important as you think it is. It's not even a faint vestige of an echo of a blip on the government radar screen. It's actually quite laughable to think that it is. But since I understand you a certain amount from your postings, I am not the least bit surprised that you think that psyops are being done to monitor and suppress the free energy movement. The only psyops going on in the free energy cottage industry are done by unscrupulous individuals that are con artists looking to steal people's money. So the psyops come from within the cottage industry itself, and not from the outside.
I am just here for fun because I have a technical background and it can be interesting to look at what people are doing and debate it. In all honesty I have never seen a proposed free energy system that had any merit after suitable analysis. I can smell the BS from a mile away. It's just something I am good at doing. What you may not realize is that often there is a lot of excitement but no substance. I have to see substance before I get excited.
As far as the "scalar wave" thing goes, I view that as a free energy fetish. On top of that the vast majority of people that make definitive statements about scalar waves don't really know what they are talking about. They have never seriously studied electromagnetics at a university level and wouldn't know what a Smith chart was if it bit them in the ass. Beyond that, big deal if you can propagate electromagnetic waves where one of the components is lined up with the direction of propagation. Ho hum.
QuoteHow do you explain lighting lights at quadruple the distance with no Hertzian power loss proportional to R^2? Obviously there is more to the story -- the best theoretical and practical explanation being Tesla scalar waves.
If you are referring to those clips in the thread, I watched them a few months ago and I don't recall seeing anything special. I think that the university in Germany the guy comes from is suspect also. I think that I did some digging there but would have to double-check.
QuoteThe only reason I am post this is to bring attention of all honest and open-minded readers to gross errors in textbook electrodynamics. I want individuals who may have been influenced or discouraged by your shallow yet self-proclaimed 'authority' to understand that the experiment is the ONLY way to get at the truth , truth which was been suppressed for over 100 years. Tesla is a critical point of departure for anyone interested in free energy research, and the information I posted is critical for understanding the theory and practice of a small -- but key -- part of this suppressed information.
Meyl's scalar wave experimentation device also blows the bullshit and drivel you have been posting sky high. A mile perhaps.
I am not aware of any gross errors in textbook electrodynamics. On the other hand, I have read statements like that countless times on the various free energy forums and my "Smith chart" statement applies here also. I don't claim to be an authority on anything nor am I shallow. However, it's possible sometimes within a few postings to get a sense of someone's knowledge level with respect to energy and electronics. It will interesting to see what you cite relative to understanding and theory and sometimes I might comment on it.
I never post bullshit and drivel. If you want to discuss certain points be my guest.
QuoteHowever, MileHigh, your attempts to control the discourse, and your attempts to discourage others from experimenting on their own terms illustrate your interest lies not with the truth, but rather in narrowing the scope of knowledge.
You are in a giant spin zone here. Escape the vortex before you get sucked in!
Welcome to the forum.
MileHigh
QuoteNo , you are not welcome at the party because you are a professional disinformer. You don't ask questions -- you make claims and appeals to conventional knowledge. Your purpose is to discourage experimentation on the subject of water electrolysis (HHO) and other related phenomenon, and to control the discourse with your self-proclaimed 'expertise'. This is textbook COINTELPRO , and I am calling both of you out publicly. Anyone with half a brain that reviews both your posts will see a constant pattern of negativity, discouragement, appeal to so-called experts, and insistence that breakthroughs are impossible. These are psychological tactics, and both of you are reprehensible for participating in such activity
Blimey you suddenly think that you know an awful lot about me. :o
Professional disinformer! LOL, I'll have to add that to my CV.
I've never discouraged experimentation, and if you knew me as well as you think you do, you would know that. I've only ever stood up against and been out spoken about ridiculous claims, con artists and stupid people saying stupid things. Outrageous claims are fine, but they need to be supported by very compelling evidence to back up those claims... they never are. My negativity only balances the madness of over-eager muppets who believe everything they read, without care or question. Neither have I ever insisted that breakthroughs are impossible. However, when you get half-wits like Fast Freddy claiming that 'Fusion' is taking place, and his electrolyser is 'Making' electricity... in a bucket, then you don't need to be Einstein (or even a professional disinformer) to see that he's full of crap!
Incidentally, have you noticed that Fast Freddy has closed his Youtube account and done a runner... do you think it was something I said? ;)
Quote from: marksnoswell on 2011.03.07, 14:06:23
Regrettably the results Prof Tutur was getting in his latest published simulations were due to artefact's caused by using large step sizes. We have done simulations with adequately small step sizes -- and all hints of OU disappear.
And another one bites the dust!
Your response speaks for itself. I was obviously correct , and I'm very glad I've gone ahead and posted the truth.
QuoteBut when you look at the free energy cottage industry, it's not nearly as important as you think it is. It's not even a faint vestige of an echo of a blip on the government radar screen.
Lol, really? You can do better than this... this is a pretty weak refutation. Besides the obvious like the international energy security detailed in numerous think-tank reports [1],[2], keeping the billions in 'black' space-based weapons technology secret [3],[4], the obscene amounts of money from hydrocarbon revenue [5], vast systems of technological control [6], etc you can't see any reason you are collecting a paycheck for doing this?
[1] US JFC -- Joint Operating Environment , Energy Security Report
http://www.peakoil.net/files/JOE2010.pdf (http://www.peakoil.net/files/JOE2010.pdf)
[2] UK MoD -- Future Strategic Context
http://www.mod.uk/NR/rdonlyres/7CC94DFB-839A-4029-8BDD-5E87AF5CDF45/0/future_strategic_context.pdf (http://www.mod.uk/NR/rdonlyres/7CC94DFB-839A-4029-8BDD-5E87AF5CDF45/0/future_strategic_context.pdf)
[3] HAARP -- The Military's Pandora's Box
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=17902 (http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=17902)
[4] The Economic Crisis and the Pentagon`s Black Budget
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=23422 (http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=23422)
[5] About Oil and Natural Gas
http://www.api.org/aboutoilgas/ (http://www.api.org/aboutoilgas/)
[6] "Reengineering" the Internet for Persistent Surveillance
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=22212 (http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=22212)
QuoteThe only psyops going on in the free energy cottage industry are done by unscrupulous individuals that are con artists looking to steal people's money.
I never once mentioned the word 'Psyops'. This is a military term. Only someone involved in the industry [7] would respond to my allegation of 'Digital Engagement' with the word 'Psyops'. And yes, the Psyops you and others are paid to conduct on the various free energy message boards are to discourage people from experimenting in areas which contradict known 'textbook theory', because there is a real danger of disruptive technology becoming open-sourced.
[7] Psychological Operations -- United States
http://en.wikipedia.orgd/wiki/Psychological_Operations_%28United_States%292 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_Operations_%28United_States%29)
QuoteI am just here for fun because I have a technical background and it can be interesting to look at what people are doing and debate it.
Ah so we are to believe the vast amounts of time and energy you spend 'debunking' free energy around the clock on multiple message boards across the internet is just a hobby of yours? Is getting banned for posting disinformation also a hobby of yours?
QuoteBeyond that, big deal if you can propagate electromagnetic waves where one of the components is lined up with the direction of propagation. Ho hum.
Well, yeah besides lossless transmission of wireless energy, and the possible induction of a rotating scalar potential in a toroid where the E and H fields are colinear, or the other millions upon millions of other applications, there's nothing to see here.
QuoteI think that I did some digging there but would have to double-check.
Yeah go check with your boss.
The high voltage kickback from a generator/motor coil that is shorted can be easily obtained with one of Bedini's motor circuits, as some may remember. (for the record, I don't endorse his theories and products)
A few years ago we had user HRR on gn0sis.com and he got everyone excited after he showed a video of what appered to be a Bedini window motor running on it's own and slowly building up voltage in a capacitor. A few of us tried to replicate that project and I was one of them and I clearly remember that there were a few voltage spikes per half cycle due to feedback. It was exacly the same physics, the transistor would conduct hard and then feedback and oscillations would stop conduction and the coils would oscillate a few times. What was not incorporated, and perhaps should be explored, is a tuned RF tank circuit that can be pumped by these oscillations. Another idea is to limit the induced voltage to the base of the transistor so it is biased right in that zone where it can oscillate through most of the 180 deg phase.
Just something to think about.
EM
@EMDevices
QuoteA few years ago we had user HRR on gn0sis.com and he got everyone excited after he showed a video of what appered to be a Bedini window motor running on it's own and slowly building up voltage in a capacitor. A few of us tried to replicate that project and I was one of them and I clearly remember that there were a few voltage spikes per half cycle due to feedback. It was exacly the same physics, the transistor would conduct hard and then feedback and oscillations would stop conduction and it would oscillate a few times.
I remember that time EM...that was before I quit research for a few years. I remember the video too. It was a shame no one could replicate the effect. If I remember correctly, (and if we are thinking of the same video), Bedini eventually got ahold of the video, and he himself claimed the video was fake! (even though it was using a modified Bedini circuit!) That is, what I remember is that Bedini claimed there was a 9V battery hidden in the circuit. But that could just be because he couldn't replicate the effect ;).
I don't think there's any way we'll know for sure (whether the video was legit or fake), but I would not be surprised either way. The problem with that video is that there were no scope traces .
Well now, especially with these new results from Joule Thief showing that the possible COP>1 with a strange waveform, we may get closer to the truth of of how to build a small , open-source, replicable , self-powering circuit. Tesla was right that everything is strongly dependent upon resonance and phase.
EM, make sure you check out the results from PhysicsProf regarding a possible COP>1... if replicated, it has something to do with the phase.
JT COP=0.90 and COP=1.13http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=717.msg11744#msg11744 (http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=717.msg11744#msg11744)
Feynman:
QuoteBesides the obvious like the international energy security detailed in numerous think-tank reports [1],[2], keeping the billions in 'black' space-based weapons technology secret [3],[4], the obscene amounts of money from hydrocarbon revenue [5], vast systems of technological control [6], etc you can't see any reason you are collecting a paycheck for doing this?
You are mixing up issues related to energy security and free energy, don't you think? The energy sector in any nation's economy is huge and has a lot of clout. It has to be because without it there is no society. But that in no way should be equated with or confused with what goes on on the free energy forums. More often than not the free energy forums are about people playing and tinkering with home electronics projects.
QuoteAnd they psyops you and others are paid to conduct on the various free energy message boards , to discourage people from experimenting in areas which contradict known 'textbook theory'.
The old cliche is to say if only somebody would pay me to post here but Farrah beat me to it. I have never seen an experiment contradict known 'textbook theory.' There is a big learning curve that experimenters have to go up before they can definitively say that they are contradicting known theory.
QuoteWell, yeah besides lossless transmission of wireless energy, and the possible induction of a rotating scalar potential in a toroid where the B and H fields are colinear, or the other millions upon millions of other applications, there's nothing to see here.
You show me evidence for the lossless transmission of wireless energy. That would require some pretty sophisticated measurements.
Quotepossible induction of a rotating scalar potential in a toroid where the B and H fields are colinear
I would characterize the above statement as nonsensical free energy babble unless you can explain that further.
MileHigh
Quote from: MileHigh on 2011.03.07, 09:54:13
Here is an example of how ridiculous it can get:
During the July Renaissance conference I want to see people taking shifts riding the magic self-charging electric lawn mower so that it runs 24 hours a day non-stop for the entire duration of the conference!
MileHigh
Hey MH,
Here's an idea. I'll pay YOU you attend the July Renaissance conference, where you can bolt your armchair onto Rick's lawn mower and wear your Nay Sayer award with pride. Then we'll have YOU ride around on Rick's lawn mower until the batteries go flat. At least it will get you to experiment!
Now, if you're right in your "assumptions" that Rick's lawn mower can't self-run you'd be outta there on the first day. But if you are wrong, you might be there for a very long time. You might even need to pack some lunch!
What do you think?
DragonSlayer
DragonSlayer:
Do you think that the conference attendees literally thought that it was a free energy lawn mower or do you think that they didn't and simply gave Rick a wide latitude as part of the fun?
On the other hand the YouTube clip simply states that it's a free energy device.
Finally, what do you think? Do you think that it's a free energy device?
MileHigh
@PSYOPS Contractors
QuoteYou show me evidence for the lossless transmission of wireless energy. That would require some pretty sophisticated measurements.
I showed you violation of Hertzian R^2 losses during transmission of wireless energy, which is sufficient proof for further investigation. But your purpose has nothing to do with the truth, as we've discussed before. Thus around we go in circles. Nothing will never suffice as proof for you, because your job is to sow doubt and prevent the inevitable.. You will fail.
Konstantin Meyl -- Tesla Scalar Wave Theoryhttp://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=754.msg11722#msg11722 (http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=754.msg11722#msg11722)
QuoteI have never seen an experiment contradict known 'textbook theory.'
More lies from the deception specialist. You can find your experiment here:
Konstantin Meyl -- Tesla Scalar Wave Theoryhttp://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=754.msg11722#msg11722 (http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=754.msg11722#msg11722)
Quote
Quote
possible induction of a rotating scalar potential in a toroid where the B and H fields are colinear
-Feynman
I would characterize the above statement as nonsensical free energy babble unless you can explain that further.
-MileHigh
That should read where the 'E and H fields are colinear'. I was referring to generating a rotating scalar impulse in a toroid (for example, a possible mechanism of a working TPU)...
or more generally, to the simultaneous propagation of magnetic and electric scalar impulses through space. As you should realize by implication,
since Tesla scalar waves exist and propagate differently than transverse waves, the 'Right-hand rule' may not always apply to such impulses (Scalar Magnetic or Scalar Electric). My current understanding is that scalar wave impulses are colinear-- with compressions and rarefactions -- but with the magnetic and electric wave possibly separated from the transverse wave by a variable phase angle, due to variable scalar wave propagation speed. (edit: corrected phase description) (t).
(http://feynmanslab.com/images/post4/scalarPhase.jpg)
I am posting this for the benefit of the community, by the way, not for you and other imbecile psyops contractors.
After having personally witnessed one two occasions within
several months airborne craft (in broad daylight cloudless skies)
which defy explanation I suppose I'll have to count myself also
as one who is a little "off."
(And other "things/events" which cannot be revealed.)
Clearly, there are devices and phenomena which we presently
are not able to understand or to explain.
That military and other agencies expend great amounts of
manpower and resources on clandestine "Black Projects" is
reality. That certain agencies have long established contact
with extraterrestrial "beings" is known presently by only a
few and has yet to be "officially" acknowledged.
Why do we humans seem to be so curious about these things?
It's nearly as if our desire to "know" all things is a part of our
genetic makeup.
And it is...
Answers will be found.
Yes, things are very optimistic in my "Home La-La Land!"
Well, with the exception of events which are gradually
unfolding worldwide...
Good discussion going on here by the way!
Quote from: MileHigh on 2011.03.07, 22:46:39
DragonSlayer:
Do you think that the conference attendees literally thought that it was a free energy lawn mower or do you think that they didn't and simply gave Rick a wide latitude as part of the fun?
On the other hand the YouTube clip simply states that it's a free energy device.
Finally, what do you think? Do you think that it's a free energy device?
MileHigh
It depends on your definition of "free energy" and the conference attanedees' definition of "free energy". Under my definition, it's a definite "YES"!
To whom and where should I address the plane ticket?
DragonSlayer
DragonSlayer:
For this example the common sense definition of "free energy" is that you can ride the lawnmower and keep switching battery banks back and forth and collectively the two banks of batteries never run down. I am assuming that you would agree with this definition for this example.
So I have a follow-up question if I may: Why do you believe that the lawnmower that Rick demoed is a free energy device as described above? If you can flesh out the answer it would be appreciated.
Thanks,
MileHigh
Quote from: MileHigh on 2011.03.07, 23:20:19
DragonSlayer:
For this example the common sense definition of "free energy" is that you can ride the lawnmower and keep switching battery banks back and forth and collectively the two banks of batteries never run down. I am assuming that you would agree with this definition for this example.
So I have a follow-up question if I may: Why do you believe that the lawnmower that Rick demoed is a free energy device as described above? If you can flesh out the answer it would be appreciated.
Thanks,
MileHigh
MileHigh:
Nope, that's not my definition. My definition would be any form of energy that can be converted to another form of energy without having to PAY for it.
Under my definition if you were to get one iota of extra energy from the two banks then you would have a "free energy" machine. To make this simpler, if you were to get one extra second out of the batteries than you would normally get, you have "free energy".
So, a follow up question if I may: Why DON'T you believe that the lawnmower that Rick demoed is a free energy device as described above? If you can flesh out the answer it would be appreciated.
So, whose name shall I make the ticket out to?
DragonSlayer
Feyman:
I realized that I saw the clip in the Google video link where he does the demo with the suitcase apparatus. He proved nothing in that demo, he just made a few LEDs light up. I watched some of the three lecture clips that are in the thread. The bottom line is that if somebody is serious about energy transmission with so-called scalar waves then they are welcome to do a serious demo with serious measurements. If they can find a commercial application for them then so much the better. It's hard to compete against high-voltage transmission lines though. I am not an EM expert so I can't comment in detail about his lecture except to say it doesn't smell right. On the other hand, I certainly know what the main issue is for sending a conventional directional beam of EM waves is.
QuoteMore lies from the deception specialist.
Please tone down your rhetoric.
I watched the second half of the third clip and I am not convinced. If you can send EM energy through the air like blowing smoke rings or whatever more power to you. I am not well versed enough in electromagnetic field theory to seriously comment on the clips.
QuoteI am posting this for the benefit of the community, by the way, not for you and other imbecile psyops contractors.
That's just gratuitous trash talk.
MileHigh
Quote from: DragonSlayer on 2011.03.07, 23:39:13
MileHigh:
So, a follow up question if I may: Why DON'T you believe that the lawnmower that Rick demoed is a free energy device as described above? If you can flesh out the answer it would be appreciated.
That's really crafty. You don't answer my question and you bounce it back to me.
I am going to assume that we are talking about the lawnmower allegedly running indefinitely. Saying that it might run an extra minute and calling that free energy is not on the table here if you don't mind.
The answer is that a typical pulsing inductor battery charging system like you see in the lawnmower clip almost certainly performs like a typical Bedini motor. A Bedini motor on average transfers about 30% of the source battery power into the charging battery. So the lawnmower loses a lot of energy when the source battery bank charges the charging battery bank. And that's not even factoring the fact in that in this case there is a real mechanical load on the motor to move the lawnmower around.
A reasonable guess is that after the initial battery bank runs down, only about 25% of that energy made it into the charging battery bank. Obviously after a few swaps back and forth you will run out of energy. And no, there is no "magic" happening when the coil pulses current into the charging battery bank that sucks in energy from the vacuum.
So, the ball is back in your court DragonSlayer, do you think the lawnmower is capable of running indefinitely and why?
MileHigh
@All
I remember going outside with a friend for a smoke on a perfectly clear, calm and silent winter night, then I saw four insanely bright lights appear out of nowhere in the sky. The lights were not moving and there was absolutely no sound coming from the lights on a perfectly calm, silent winters night. Next an orange colored spherical object came from the lights made a perfect 90 degree radius turn and accelerated out into the vastness of space at a rate of speed that defies description. There was no sound through all this, there were no silly propellers beating at the air, there were no flames belching from the rear, there was no contrail, no vapor trail--- this was not rocket propulsion it was something else on a perfectly clear, calm winters night. later we discussed what we saw and agreed we saw exactly the same thing and that we had absolutely no explanation for it, none whatsoever, but it was real.
Now consider this event in regards to the people we call experts, can any of the so-called mainstream experts here give me any reasonable explanation whatsoever for what we saw? You see this is the point where what we call "expertise" falls flat on it's face because none of the experts have a god damn clue where to begin. There is no logic, no reason, no justification because what I saw and know as fact cannot happen --- it is impossible relative to all the the known and proven facts. The fact of the matter is that I would trade every expert here(and a thousand more) and all the knowledge they possess for 5 minutes with whomever was piloting the craft I saw, they are the real experts acting on a level which makes everyone here including myself look pre-school if not prehistoric.
Let's look at this from another perspective, let's look at the best our so-called experts have to offer, we have automobiles in which only 16% of the energy contained in the fuel actually moves the vehicle forward and on a km per litre of fuel basis aircraft are similar, we have power plants running at absolute efficiencies near 5-10% for nuclear, 30-50% for coal and natural gas, we have wind power that can barely break 16% and solar is no better. Until recently we commonly used a light source that was only 10% efficient, furnaces near 60%, our homes had and still have massive heat losses and the required average percentage of fresh clean air coming into the house is 5%. My god when I consider the very best the experts have to offer in this supposed modern day and age I feel like falling into a big bottle of whiskey and drinking myself into oblivion because it is pathetic when we actually consider the facts.
I guess this is why I take most every opinion I hear or read with a grain of salt and have returned to the fundamentals (the basics) of science,electrodynamics and nature. When we look at history and draw time lines I can only think that somewhere along the line we missed something, that somewhere along the way we took a wrong turn and were too damn stubborn to go back and correct our mistakes. I guess the most relevant question we could ask is, even if we are crazy, delusional and misguided could we do any worse than the best our mainstream experts have to offer considering the state of technology?.
That's my rant for the day, :D
Regards
AC
Quote
Please tone down your rhetoric.
-MileHigh
I will not tone down my rhetoric. The open-sourcing of free energy is perhaps the highest task to which man can now aspire. I have no tolerance for lies , nor attempts at suppression of free and open discourse via psychological tactics.
If both you , 'MileHigh' , and 'Farrah Day' are not on the three-letter Psyops payroll, as you so innocently claim (which I certainly do not believe) , you two are quite lucky to spend ALL your free time repeating educational brainwashing back to us , like the insistent bleat of a couple of dull sheep.
Thus,
1) I will no longer respond to any of the negative , time-wasting drivel that you 'MileHigh' , or 'Farrah Day' , post.
2) I will encourage anyone else involved in energy research -- including my friends -- to quit responding to both of you , as you both are a complete waste of time.
Whether myself (or anyone else involved in this research) is 'correct' or 'incorrect' , what does it matter to you?
You can spare yourself answering this rhetorical question because you will get no response.
Quote from: MileHigh on 2011.03.07, 23:55:57
That's really crafty. You don't answer my question and you bounce it back to me.
I am going to assume that we are talking about the lawnmower allegedly running indefinitely. Saying that it might run an extra minute and calling that free energy is not on the table here if you don't mind.
The answer is that a typical pulsing inductor battery charging system like you see in the lawnmower clip almost certainly performs like a typical Bedini motor. A Bedini motor on average transfers about 30% of the source battery power into the charging battery. So the lawnmower loses a lot of energy when the source battery bank charges the charging battery bank. And that's not even factoring the fact in that in this case there is a real mechanical load on the motor to move the lawnmower around.
A reasonable guess is that after the initial battery bank runs down, only about 25% of that energy made it into the charging battery bank. Obviously after a few swaps back and forth you will run out of energy. And no, there is no "magic" happening when the coil pulses current into the charging battery bank that sucks in energy from the vacuum.
So, the ball is back in your court DragonSlayer, do you think the lawnmower is capable of running indefinitely and why?
MileHigh
MileHigh:
There are an awful lot of guesses and assumptions in your last post, not very scientific, eh?
I am not talking about the lawn mower running indefinitely as that would be perpetual motion. Even the bearings will eventually wear out. So I do mind in saying that the lawn mower running an extra minute and calling it free energy is taken off the table.
I believe that the video is called a "free energy" machine. I didn't know that free energy all of a sudden had to be quantified to "run indefintely".
So, you agree that the lawn mower will actually run for 25% longer than if it was just a normal conventional motor! That's great, now we're getting somewhere! So why are you arguing?
Gee, you might have to pack some dinner as well as lunch for your lawn mower with armchair ride at the July Renaissance conference.
So where was I sending that ticket to?
DragonSlayer
Quote from: feynman on 2011.03.08, 01:38:25
I will not tone down my rhetoric. The open-sourcing of free energy is perhaps the highest task to which man can now aspire. I have no tolerance for lies , nor attempts at suppression of free and open discourse via psychological tactics.
If both you , 'MileHigh' , and 'Farrah Day' are not on the three-letter Psyops payroll, as you so innocently claim (which I certainly do not believe) , you two are quite lucky to spend ALL your free time repeating educational brainwashing back to us , like the insistent bleat of a couple of dull sheep.
Jesus, what a drama queen you are. You are wrong when you call me a liar and frankly it's offensive. You confuse free expression with suppression and you ironically shoot yourself in the foot. You say that you want open discourse yet you want to suppress me. How Orwellian of you Feynman. I can smell the cognitive dissonance.
Speaking of dull sheep, I will quote you:
QuoteWe can generate and propegate Tesla scalar waves using his pancake type coil , when it is properly driven in resonance connected to the ball-like antenna. This mirrors Tesla' Colorado Springs experiments where he lit lights 25 miles away, and he properly called his 'Tesla Magnifying Transmitter' because he was getting overunity power reception at his receivers (unlike transverse/hertzian waves, which diminish with the radius squared).
QuoteSo Meyl has predicted the magnetic scalar waves' existence theoretically -- but says that it has a basis in reality. Meyl states that the three waves a separable and distinct. He says Tesla is concerned primarily with the longitudinal / scalar electric wave. He says that biological cell communication can occur via magnetic scalar waves , filtered via cell-level hyperboloid structures.
Basically, for now, I think we consider the magnetic and electric components of the scalar wave simultaneous with a possible phase relationship, and possibly separable. This is in need of experiments.
Frankly, I would characterize that as pseudo free energy intellectual electromagnetic braying from you. When push comes to shove, you actually don't have a clue what you are talking about when it comes to electromagnetic wave propagation. Not that that's going to stop you from speaking more pseudo electromagnetic techno-babble because most of your audience won't know one way or the other.
Are you sure you aren't just the Revenge of Quarktoo?
MileHigh
Quote from: DragonSlayer on 2011.03.08, 01:51:10
MileHigh:
There are an awful lot of guesses and assumptions in your last post, not very scientific, eh?
I am not talking about the lawn mower running indefinitely as that would be perpetual motion. Even the bearings will eventually wear out. So I do mind in saying that the lawn mower running an extra minute and calling it free energy is taken off the table.
I believe that the video is called a "free energy" machine. I didn't know that free energy all of a sudden had to be quantified to "run indefintely".
So, you agree that the lawn mower will actually run for 25% longer than if it was just a normal conventional motor! That's great, now we're getting somewhere! So why are you arguing?
Gee, you might have to pack some dinner as well as lunch for your lawn mower with armchair ride at the July Renaissance conference.
So where was I sending that ticket to?
DragonSlayer
So what you are really saying when you read between the lines is that you agree with me. You agree that the lawnmower will not run for a few thousand discharge/charge cycles without an external recharge before the batteries wear out.
Forget about playing with the semantics of what "free energy" means. You are fully aware that the impression created at the November Renaissance convention was that the lawnmower was a self-charging device that would run indefinitely. You are just spinning yourself into the mud when you try to change definitions or talk about the bearings wearing out.
Thanks for agreeing with me that the lawnmower will not run indefinitely.
MileHigh
Wow, you guys are sure making a lot of progress towards beating Lenz Law and I can almost feel the excitement in the air, oh sorry that was me I just farted, no excitement here--move along nothing to see here.
AC
Thanks for agreeing with me that the lawn mower is a "free energy" device O0
No, I am not fully aware that the impression was that the lawn mower was a self-charging device that would run
indefinitely. You are the first person to state that. I watched the video, Rick did not say that and no one at Renaissance has claimed that it is.
Let me just take some of those words out of my mouth that you casually shoved in there:
I DO NOT AGREE WITH YOUI DO NOT AGREE THAT THE LAWN MOWER WILL NOT RUN FOR A FEW THOUSAND DISCHARGE/CHARGE CYCLES WITH AN EXTERNAL RECHARGE BEFORE THE BATTERIES WEAR OUTYou speak like one of those types that would say "I suppose you think you saw a flying saucer". You seem to have a very bad habit of saying things that YOU think other people have said. I would see a therapist for that 'cos it's not a very healthy state of mind to be in.
Who's playing semantics? I'm not playing sematics. I know what my definition of free energy is, you seem to think that something has to run indefinitely to be called free energy. Poppycock!
No mud on my boots here! Yes, I AGREE the lawn mower will not run indefinitely. Neither will the Sun, the wind, a solar panel, a wind turbine, a heat pump... but aren't all of those free energy devices?
DragonSlayer
Quote from: MileHigh on 2011.03.08, 02:18:23
So what you are really saying when you read between the lines is that you agree with me. You agree that the lawnmower will not run for a few thousand discharge/charge cycles without an external recharge before the batteries wear out.
Forget about playing with the semantics of what "free energy" means. You are fully aware that the impression created at the November Renaissance convention was that the lawnmower was a self-charging device that would run indefinitely. You are just spinning yourself into the mud when you try to change definitions or talk about the bearings wearing out.
Thanks for agreeing with me that the lawnmower will not run indefinitely.
MileHigh
DragonSlayer:
I guess that you are not comfortable in expressing the fact that the batteries in Rick Friedrick's lawnmower will run down. So his act of driving into the conference hall in the hotel was nothing more than a stunt. The fact that some of the energy from the main battery bank could be transferred into the charging battery bank is old hat, a glorified Bedini motor on wheels.
And that's the real point: Rick driving his electric jumbo Bedini motor at the November Renaissance conference was a meaningless stunt that still managed to impress a lot of the attendees.
If I was there I would have been groaning and squirming when I saw that. I would have walked up to Rick and asked him if he had any specifications for the lawnmower. In fact he didn't because the whole thing was put together at the last minute. You can expect that he will never do any serious measurements on the lawnmower, it's nothing more than a prop. So what gives Rick the right to call that a "free energy" device? The answer is nothing gives him the right to do that but he does because that's good for business. There are your psyops in action.
QuoteThanks for agreeing with me that the lawn mower is a "free energy" device
The fact that one battery bank charges another battery bank does not make it a free energy device. The truth is that if you selected the right motor that was a good match for the application then that motor would be more efficient than the glorified Bedini/Window motor that Rick built for the show. The cult of recycling the back spike has it's limits and it does not automatically mean a Bedini-style motor is better for the application.
The whole point is to get at the truth about Rick's electric lawnmower. Was it a miraculous demonstration of free energy technologies in action or was it just a funky under unity prop used to wow people at the conference but was otherwise useless?
The people following the thread can decide for themselves.
QuoteNeither will the Sun, the wind, a solar panel, a wind turbine, a heat pump... but aren't all of those free energy devices
Most of the above are derived from the Sun. The Sun is not a free energy device. It's operation is a manifestation of the conservation of energy too, it burns fuel. And a heat pump is only a free energy device if you have myopia and don't want to look at the total thermal system, notwithstanding that it can be put to good use to heat and cool a home. Do you say that the fridge in your kitchen is an free energy device too?
MileHigh
@Dragonslayer
QuoteI know what my definition of free energy is, you seem to think that something has to run indefinitely to be called free energy.
I as well as most everyone would agree, there is nothing in the term "free energy" which in any way implies perpetual motion and to say it does is absurd. Here is the popular definition of free energy----"A thermodynamic quantity that is the difference between the internal energy of a system and the product of its absolute temperature and entropy",lol, if this is the standard accepted definition then we are no better than chimpanzees. This is a prehistoric remnant from the beginning of the industrial age and has little relevance in modern physics. One argument for free energy may be an atomic bomb, a small amount of energy will release an insane amount of energy, so where did it come from? It came from the energy it took to create it in the first place which may have occurred billions of years ago but we did not have to input this energy nor is it perpetual.
What 99% of people can agree upon is that "free energy" means "free" -- at little or no cost and "energy" -- the capacity of a system to perform work, hence the the capacity to perform work at little or no cost. This is by far the most popular and accepted definition of free energy because it means what the words imply, free energy is not perpetual motion.
Another point of confusion is when people drag the conservation of energy into the debate which is again absurd, we can receive any amount of free energy and never violate the conservation of energy. Consider nuclear energy, where did it come from? What was the cost of this energy? Well it has been assumed that nuclear material may have been formed billions of years ago when the universe was formed which is pure speculation but so be it. So when we receive a huge amount of energy utilizing a small input energy we are releasing energy from billions of years ago, no violation of the conservation of energy ---- check, very little input energy for a huge energy output ----check, free energy because we get more energy than we put in ----- check, no silly perpetual motion required ---- check. Consider that, the electrical energy powering my computer right now may in some small part be a result of energy from nuclear reactions which occurred billions of years ago when the universe was young, amazing.
Regards
AC
Free Energy can make its appearance in unexpected ways.
Last year we acquired a new energy efficient refrigerator and
installed it next to our older less efficient refrigerator.
Our electricity consumption from the grid actually decreased
with the two refrigerators running side by side from the same
wall outlet.
Whether it is some electrical power factor correction taking
place, or simply the close proximity of the two helping to
retain some of the "cold" is yet a mystery.
I consider two refrigerators using less electrical power than
the original single (which is still there) a case of "free energy."
Anyone have any opinions?
Dumped, that is very interesting. Make sure you do a proper scientific investigation, use power meters, start at same temp, etc.
QuoteIf both you , 'MileHigh' , and 'Farrah Day' are not on the three-letter Psyops payroll, as you so innocently claim (which I certainly do not believe) , you two are quite lucky to spend ALL your free time repeating educational brainwashing back to us , like the insistent bleat of a couple of dull sheep.
Thus,
1) I will no longer respond to any of the negative , time-wasting drivel that you 'MileHigh' , or 'Farrah Day' , post.
2) I will encourage anyone else involved in energy research -- including my friends -- to quit responding to both of you , as you both are a complete waste of time.
Whether myself (or anyone else involved in this research) is 'correct' or 'incorrect' , what does it matter to you?
You certainly have me all wrong Feynman. All I ever seek is the truth, and sometimes that means outing the frauds and scamsters like Fast Freddy. All I ever attempt to do is open peoples eyes to the lack of science behind some of these 'great', yet unsubstantiated claims instead of simply accepting it all as fact. I have no ulterior motives as you are suggesting I have... but frankly I don't give a rats ass what you think! You're beginning to sound as brain-washed and delusional as most of the EF forum members.
In fact, in the context of what you have stated about me in recent posts,
you are the real harbinger of disinformation.
Quote from: Dumped on 2011.03.08, 07:17:08
Whether it is some electrical power factor correction taking
place, or simply the close proximity of the two helping to
retain some of the "cold" is yet a mystery.
Anyone have any opinions?
I think your second theory is the right one. If the two refrigerators were in very close proximity then they could act like a single thermal entity with less overall surface area to the outside world. Less surface area equals less heat flowing into each refrigerator hence less electricity required to pump that heat back out.
<<< Woops! I made a mistake here. I was thinking less of an increase in your electrical bill than expected, not less overall consumption of electricity. So I defer to EMDevices' statements. You really would have to make proper measurements to see what was going on. I assume a Kill-a-Watt meter will work with a fridge. >>>
You have a very liberal definition for "free energy." I would call it increased efficiency.
MileHigh
Quote from: Farrah Day on 2011.03.07, 21:31:45
And another one bites the dust!
I used the tools that Haithar at OU forum developed and increased the sample rate sufficiently and I can say that it's far too early to judge.
Playing with some of the parameters results in constant power output while having the sample rate far above the Nyquist sample criteria.
Quote from: feynman on 2011.03.08, 01:38:25
If both you , 'MileHigh' , and 'Farrah Day' are not on the three-letter Psyops payroll, as you so innocently claim (which I certainly do not believe) , you two are quite lucky to spend ALL your free time repeating educational brainwashing back to us , like the insistent bleat of a couple of dull sheep.
Thus,
1) I will no longer respond to any of the negative , time-wasting drivel that you 'MileHigh' , or 'Farrah Day' , post.
2) I will encourage anyone else involved in energy research -- including my friends -- to quit responding to both of you , as you both are a complete waste of time.
Whether myself (or anyone else involved in this research) is 'correct' or 'incorrect' , what does it matter to you?
You can spare yourself answering this rhetorical question because you will get no response.
Feynman,
The notion that Farrah and MH are MIBs or whatever, is pure nonsense. Please refrain from such rhetoric.
Make a technical stand to back up your assertions instead.
Thanks,
.99
Quote from: feynman on 2011.03.08, 01:38:25
I will not tone down my rhetoric. The open-sourcing of free energy is perhaps the highest task to which man can now aspire. I have no tolerance for lies , nor attempts at suppression of free and open discourse via psychological tactics.
If both you , 'MileHigh' , and 'Farrah Day' are not on the three-letter Psyops payroll, as you so innocently claim (which I certainly do not believe) , you two are quite lucky to spend ALL your free time repeating educational brainwashing back to us , like the insistent bleat of a couple of dull sheep.
Thus,
1) I will no longer respond to any of the negative , time-wasting drivel that you 'MileHigh' , or 'Farrah Day' , post.
2) I will encourage anyone else involved in energy research -- including my friends -- to quit responding to both of you , as you both are a complete waste of time.
Whether myself (or anyone else involved in this research) is 'correct' or 'incorrect' , what does it matter to you?
You can spare yourself answering this rhetorical question because you will get no response.
Hmm...
Feynman = Quarktoo = Steven D. Mark, incognito ... busted!
Fellahs [and one girl][opps maybe two]
Can we just proceed on merit?
The whose who stuff gets us nowhere..............................
Chet
PS
Teslaalset
I posted that lnk in this thread a page or two back,
MarkSnoswell made a relavant comment !,Is it a valid one?
PPS
Feynman
A cyclone went thru OU.Com last month,all kinds of user name abuse crap went on.
This is the fallout now............
And you showed up shortly after![unfortunate coincidance]
Please be patient, Nerves are still on edge!
Come on Chet!
We are in the presence of greatness!
Grumpy,
Feynman "Gots Skills"!
Have you ever seen a guy this Good at covering a topic with pics ,Graphs,explanations,etc.?
This dedicated?
Go back to OU archives............,He's a freakin OU Open source Monster!
Saint Buzz[The]
NEVER EVER posted like this,{Al;most every post}
Did SM??[for get I said that]
Grumpy I trust this Guy completely !!!!!!!!!!
He's just very excited [I know how he feels].
He can smell it too............[and it ain't BS]
Chet
On the Death of Lenz topic,
Some one new that agrees with bolt,and shares some cool observations!
popolibero
Newbie
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I've been going through the posts on this thread and would like to give my two cents on a few things I've noticed. Someone wrote you need N-S arrangement magnets to get a sine wave, well clearly he's never put a scope on a coil pulsed by an all N rotor .
A few people seem to confuse the flyback kick when a charged coil is let loose with what is being discussed here.
Romerouk, you said that you get acceleration when you short the coil through most of the cycle, I get the same when I do that. This is "normal" with an open coil core, This is actually what the Kromrey generator principle is based on. You wouldn't get this result with a core closed on itself like all traditional transformer cores... I don't know if this is what we want in this application though, as Bolt pointed out.
Anyway, keep up the good work!
regards,
Mario
I watched the Ishmael Aviso videos last evening, including the DOE test, and here's some comments.
1) First I want to say that Ismael is NOT a con-artist or anything of that sort, and he lives in quite poor conditions over there in the Philippines.
2) One of the DOE guys that comments in the video made me realize that this sytem is just like I've been saying before, a very efficient system that extracts the energy from the battery efficiently and not loading it down directly with high amps.
3) Aviso himself says that he uses a PWM system, which is what is done in motor control, so this is nothing new. PWM DC motor control has been around for decades.
4) On a level surface, moving from point A to point B requires very little energy dissipation or loss, mainly because of friction, but if this is reduced, one can travel around the globe a few times ON ONE 12 V BATTERY. The problem we have in this country is that we want to move FAST, and air friction playes a big role in draining our batteries, but if we went slow, like he does in the streets of Manila, or where ever he is at, he can do pretty well.
5) Energy is needed to accelerate, and then needs to be recovered when braking, so that the only net loss of energy is from friction and other inefficiencies like those of the converter. To accelerate at a decent velocity, you need lots of power, and obviously one 12 V battery will not provide that, so in the video we see he has a super capacitor. That's what it's for, to provide that burst of energy needed for decent acceleration and then perhaps to take in the flyback on breaking.
6) In the video he has a bank of blue capacitors that he keeps discharging, these are charged with the kickback from the coils each time a pulse disconnects. This is one way to deal with kickback, but another practical way is to place a free wheeling diode on the coil, which is what most motor applications do, from what I've seen. But it sure is more impressive to show how much voltage builds up, not that he's doing it for the show, don't get me wrong.
7) In the DOD video the system is different than in the first videos, and we don't see that "antenna" he has on top, and there is no mention of it either. I think he realized that he is not actually pulling energy from the cell towers, since by just looking at the antenna I can tell it's not a 1 GHz antenna, but more like a 1 MHz resonant coil, if that all it was. But I am intrigued by the concept of using the kickback to couple with some external signal, hopefully IN-PHASE, so that more energy can be received. I think that concept has meritt, but most likely he is just recycling the energy comming back from his motor, that's all. That's why he redesigned the system and eliminated the "antenna".
I have to say I'm thinking to develop an electric car system because gas prices are only going to get worse with time. Putting around town is perfect for an electric vehicle that recycles the charge very efficiently. I can drive around for months on flat level roads on one battery charge, if I use super capacitors to give me good acceleration and efficient breaking.
EM
P.S. Here's a basic schematic for his system from what I saw in the video. Nothing special besides the use of a super capacitor to provide for decent acceleration when needed.
Here's an Electric Vehicle (EV) schematic that I would use. It's just for acceleration not energy recover when breaking. I'll think about that later.
Notice we decided to use the kickback energy to produce an extra motor force by using the free wheeling diode. This is what's done in most motor control applications, as the objective is to produce motor force and not use the motor as an inductor to step the voltage up in a boost configuration, but certainly can be done as Aviso obviously does in the DOE verification video.
The important concept here is the super capacitor, and our 12 V battery keeps it charged up. This is what Ismael Aviso is doing undoubtedly, and what makes for a practical electric vehicle with only one 12 V Battery.
EM
P.S. You know, A123 has some pretty good batteries with low internal resistance, so they qualify as super capacitors. I think I'll order a bank of these and convert my Corolla into an electric vehicle, and then I'll add a solar panel to charge up when I'm at work. http://www.a123systems.com/
Quote from: EMdevices on 2011.03.08, 19:19:36
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Notice we decided to use the kickback energy to produce an extra motor force by using the free wheeling diode. This is what's done in most motor control applications, as the objective is to produce motor force and not use the motor as an inductor to step the voltage up in a boost configuration...
EM
P.S. You know, A123 has some pretty good batteries with low internal resistance, so they qualify as super capacitors. I think I'll order a bank of these and convert my Corolla into an electric vehicle, and then I'll add a solar panel to charge up when I'm at work. http://www.a123systems.com/
There will be some losses in the "free wheeling diode"
but those may be largely eliminated by using a MOSFET
properly oriented to function as a "synchronous rectifier."
On kickback the Body Diode will begin to conduct then
when the MOSFET is fully turned on it will carry the current
with little loss for the duration. Then the MOSFET will be
switched "off" until after the next motor power pulse.
I like your plan for the electric conversion. Very well thought out.
Quote from: ramset on 2011.03.08, 14:50:46
Teslaalset
I posted that lnk in this thread a page or two back,
MarkSnoswell made a relavant comment !,Is it a valid one?
Well I played around with the sample size and I am not convinced the theory of Turtur can be wiped from the table just like that.
I've contacted Haithar to see whether he is willing to increase the max nr. samples allowed in his software.
I'll get back as soon as I've done sufficient simulations with more accurate sample intervals.
we need to hunt down all the losses and reduce them, absolutely.
I was looking at the Maxwell super capacitors (3000 F) and I'm impressed, but the price is not worth it. (about $100 for one 2.7 V cell) I would much rather go and get the heavier Optima batteries which also have very low internal impedance. If I spend $2000 I can probably get 10 deep cycle batteries connected in series for 120 V and they will support a peak 1000 Amps (CCA) which means a maximum of around 150 HP available for acceleration, which would be pretty decent for my already gutless vehicle. The problem with the lead batteries is that they are heavy, and the car will obviously accelerate slower under the added mass, but hey $$$ doesn't grow on trees and I don't need to dart like rabbit. I just want efficiency and low cost.
EM
P.S. I did some calculations. If I crank at 1000A, the loss in the battery is I^2 R = 3000 watts given an internal resistance of 0.003 ohms. wow !! that is wastefull, I definitely need a super capacitor or something to buffer that power burst with minimum losses. I think I'll design a magnetic flywheel and put it in vacum to minimize losses. An I'll cut back on the number of batteries I purchase, maybe I'll just get two batteries instead, and when I turn "ON" the car what I'll be doing is just reving up the flywheel to have available power for acceleration. I'll design it so it can handle 150 kwatts of power transfer with at least 95 % efficiency at maximum. that should be a good spec I guess. just thinking out loud here.
Quote from: MileHigh on 2011.03.08, 04:08:21
I guess that you are not comfortable in expressing the fact that the batteries in Rick Friedrick's lawnmower will run down. So his act of driving into the conference hall in the hotel was nothing more than a stunt. The fact that some of the energy from the main battery bank could be transferred into the charging battery bank is old hat, a glorified Bedini motor on wheels.
And that's the real point: Rick driving his electric jumbo Bedini motor at the November Renaissance conference was a meaningless stunt that still managed to impress a lot of the attendees.
Really MileHigh? Is that a proven "fact" that the batteries will run down? Where did you get this "fact"? You must have a presonal hotline to Rick and he told you that.
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If I was there I would have been groaning and squirming when I saw that. I would have walked up to Rick and asked him if he had any specifications for the lawnmower. In fact he didn't because the whole thing was put together at the last minute. You can expect that he will never do any serious measurements on the lawnmower, it's nothing more than a prop. So what gives Rick the right to call that a "free energy" device? The answer is nothing gives him the right to do that but he does because that's good for business. There are your psyops in action.
You weren't there, so that is purely hypothetical. What gives YOU the right to say that it is not a "free energy" device? I see it as a practical application of an already proven technology. At least Rick actually built something!
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The fact that one battery bank charges another battery bank does not make it a free energy device. The truth is that if you selected the right motor that was a good match for the application then that motor would be more efficient than the glorified Bedini/Window motor that Rick built for the show. The cult of recycling the back spike has it's limits and it does not automatically mean a Bedini-style motor is better for the application.
What? Like a gasoline motor? So the "fact" that one battery bank is recovering almost 100% of the energy used to drive the motor PLUS move a 200+lb load around doesn't count? BTW, it's called a Bedini/Cole Window motor.
n
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The whole point is to get at the truth about Rick's electric lawnmower. Was it a miraculous demonstration of free energy technologies in action or was it just a funky under unity prop used to wow people at the conference but was otherwise useless?
The people following the thread can decide for themselves.
Yes, they can decide for themselves by actually BUILDING one and seeing it with theiir own eyes. Not hard to do, the schematic has been on the Internet for years and the parts are readily availble. The only thing stopping them is the money and the will to find out the truth for themselves. I don't think anyone appreciates the constant bleating of the closed-minded skeptic to persuade their decision MileHigh.
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Most of the above are derived from the Sun. The Sun is not a free energy device. It's operation is a manifestation of the conservation of energy too, it burns fuel. And a heat pump is only a free energy device if you have myopia and don't want to look at the total thermal system, notwithstanding that it can be put to good use to heat and cool a home. Do you say that the fridge in your kitchen is an free energy device too?
Crap! Since when did you have to PAY for energy from the sun? It's got nothing to do with the Conservation of Energy law. Any device that freely takes any form of energy from the active environment is a free energy device. The energy you got you didn't have to pay for is FREE for the taking (until the goverments think of a way to tax it, which they will). A common home heat pump easily exhibits a COP>1. And yes, my refrigerator has components in it that provide free energy. Even the magnets that are stuck to them are free energy devices!
Have you polished up your award lately?
DragonSlayer
EM,
I don't know where you learned a freewheel diode has anything to do with providing more energy to a motor. A 'freewheel diode', 'snubber diode', 'catch diode' or 'flyback suppression diode' (all the same thing) is used to limit the reverse flyback pulse amplitude produced when you remove voltage to anything with inductive properties. This is done by connecting it across the terminals of the inductor polarized so it appears as a short circuit to that flyback pulse. The intrinsic diode in a FET performs the same function.
Without it, polarized capacitors, the opening switch feeding the inductor(solid state or otherwise) and any part of the circuit with lower capacity than that reverse pulse may become damaged. It is also used in some SMPS's to pump more current to the load. The only other use I can think of is for changing the 'ON' time for an SCR circuit.
You can use diodes to make better use of the stored energy in an inductor but then they aren't called any of the above names.
Just a friendly FYI :)
Quote from: DragonSlayer on 2011.03.09, 01:49:47
So the "fact" that one battery bank is recovering almost 100% of the energy used to drive the motor PLUS move a 200+lb load around doesn't count?
Please excuse my butting in but ....
Where is the proof for that 'fact'? I would love to see it.
Since nothing provided to date amounts to proof of any Bedini claims, I won't hold my breath. I have built several of his devices just to see what all the hype was about. Fortunately, I knew how to measure power.
When I figured all the hype was about making money and more hype I stopped wasting my time.
WW,
the freewheel diode not only suppreses the high voltage kickback voltage that forms upon interuption of the current, like you mentioned, but it also adds that energy that would be wasted in an arc back to the motor.
You see, the DC motor at a particular velocity has an EMF based on velocity, so the kickback current flows back in this EMF delivering energy to the rotor, energy that would have been wasted. I think I leared this years ago in school. I can draw you a diagram if you would like, but just read up on motor models and you will see what I'm talking about.
EM
P.S. Check out this link to see a model: http://www.ece.unh.edu/courses/ece618/pdf/dc_motor.pdf
QuoteSince nothing provided to date amounts to proof of any Bedini claims, I won't hold my breath. I have built several of his devices just to see what all the hype was about. Fortunately, I knew how to measure power.
I've built them as well. That's how I got started on OU research. Bedini's circuits are interesting, and I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, but I really wish he'd go beyond building 800 variations a same motor and battery setup, and instead start trying to expand into other areas.
Assuming Bedini is tapping into the 'Dirac Sea' , you'd think in all these years he would have tried to get a Bedini motor to run without a battery -- using a capacitor/resistor or germanium semiconductor to convert the negative energy. I'm not saying I've accomplished that (I don't want to play armchair physicist), and I know it's harder than it looks to make a self-runner without batteries.
Anyway , if I were starting this research again, I'd go directly into DC pulse resonance in toroids, researching inductor hysterisis , scalar wave transmission, running generators on HHO etc, like I'm doing these days, rather than build Bedini motors. I don't think Bedini is a charlatan or anything , just overhyped.
P.S. The real 'coup de gras' will be the creation of a replicable open-source "self-runner" (system which self-powers, with no battery), which I believe will come within the next 12-18 months or so.
Quote from: feynman on 2011.03.09, 02:53:15
I'd go directly into DC pulse resonance in toroids, researching inductor hysterisis , scalar wave transmission.
I think I'll steal this quote for myself. 8)
Here's another PWM DC motor drive that's a bit unconventional, but works.
Advantages:
The voltage source no longer limits the velocity we can attain. The motor EMF developed at a particular velocity can be higher then the supply voltage.
Disadvange:
Extra inductor is needed to create the voltage boost. Also the diode that prevents motor breaking during the "on" phase disipates some of the power, so this design is better suited for high velocity rotor operation where the EMF developed is high compared with the voltage drop across the diode. The motor can be geared down for higher torque like servos.
An interesting phenomena in this circuit is the opposition of one inductor against another. I've modeled this transition before and it's very interesting to think about.
EM
Quote from: WaveWatcher on 2011.03.09, 02:11:06
EM,
I don't know where you learned a freewheel diode has anything to do with providing more energy to a motor. A 'freewheel diode', 'snubber diode', 'catch diode' or 'flyback suppression diode' (all the same thing) is used to limit the reverse flyback pulse amplitude produced when you remove voltage to anything with inductive properties. This is done by connecting it across the terminals of the inductor polarized so it appears as a short circuit to that flyback pulse. The intrinsic diode in a FET performs the same function.
There is an important difference to note however;
With respect to the Drain, a flyback diode clamps the positive excursion (which is the first) of inductive kickback, and removes some steam from the negative excursion (which follows). The MOSFET intrinsic diode, clamps the negative excursion(s) wrt the Drain.
.99
DragonSlayer:
I am not sure if you really believe what you are saying with firm conviction or if you are just being argumentative for it's own sake because in many cases we are on opposite sides of the debate. Nevertheless, here goes...
QuoteReally MileHigh? Is that a proven "fact" that the batteries will run down? Where did you get this "fact"? You must have a presonal hotline to Rick and he told you that.
Yes it is an absolute fact that the batteries will run down with metaphysical certitude. This is reality.
QuoteYou weren't there, so that is purely hypothetical. What gives YOU the right to say that it is not a "free energy" device? I see it as a practical application of an already proven technology. At least Rick actually built something!
This is the oldest debate in this realm. I don't have to prove that something is not a free energy device. The burden of proof rests on the other party to prove that their device is a free energy device. Common sense has to prevail. And there is nothing proven about this "technology" at all. There is nothing unique about an inductor discharging its stored energy into a battery.
QuoteWhat? Like a gasoline motor? So the "fact" that one battery bank is recovering almost 100% of the energy used to drive the motor PLUS move a 200+lb load around doesn't count? BTW, it's called a Bedini/Cole Window motor.
Like WaveWatcher said, this is just hype. The energy supplied to the motor gets split between driving the motor, and being discharged from the coil as a back-EMF spike of current that goes into the charging battery bank. "Almost 100%" is incorrect, perhaps 20% of the energy in this case goes into the charging battery bank. The main problem here is that I have never seen a Bedini experimenter measure the power going into the Bedini motor and also measuring the power going into the charging battery bank. This fundamental measurement is never made which blows my mind. It's highly unlikely in Rick's case that he would be able to make these measurements anyways.
QuoteI don't think anyone appreciates the constant bleating of the closed-minded skeptic to persuade their decision MileHigh.
It's not about being a "closed-minded skeptic" when it comes to Bedini motors. I cut through the misinformation and hype and speak the truth. My mind is actually far more open when it comes to "Bedini technology" than that of most Bedini experimenters.
QuoteCrap! Since when did you have to PAY for energy from the sun? It's got nothing to do with the Conservation of Energy law. Any device that freely takes any form of energy from the active environment is a free energy device. The energy you got you didn't have to pay for is FREE for the taking (until the goverments think of a way to tax it, which they will). A common home heat pump easily exhibits a COP>1. And yes, my refrigerator has components in it that provide free energy. Even the magnets that are stuck to them are free energy devices!
I draw a clear distinction between renewable energy and free energy. "Free energy" is the energy that people speculate magically materializes out of nowhere or allegedly comes from the vacuum or the Dirac sea, etc. That's "free energy" and that's what the debate is focused on. Energy that doesn't have a monetary cost like sunlight is not of interest to me. Mixing the concepts of "free energy" and renewable energy is better to be avoided because it just clouds the debate.
Magnets are not free energy devices! That's the oldest old wives' tale of them all! I am still curious about the "CD clarifier" and I asked you if you knew how audio CDs and DVDs worked.
MileHigh
Quote from: EMdevices on 2011.03.09, 03:29:24
An interesting phenomena in this circuit is the opposition of one inductor against another. I've modeled this transition before and it's very interesting to think about.
Yes it is. Perhaps some people would like to comment on what they think happens. If you understand inductors you can do it as a thought experiment. You can do it in the idealized case for example.
There is a big hint in the old cliche about an unstoppable force encountering an immovable object.
MileHigh
@EMDevices
Why is the MOSFET gate unconnected in your schematic? Forgive my ignorance but I understand microcontrollers much better than I do motors.
Many times I have mentioned that inductors and springs are identical and that's why there is no such thing as getting energy from the vacuum when an inductor discharges. So relating back to EMdevices comments, you can find the solution just as easily with mechanical springs. I am sure some of you learned what an ideal mechanical spring was in high school physics class. It's simply a spring that has no mass.
So the question is what does the simplified setup look like when you do it with springs? We are assuming that the simplified electrical setup is two inductors in series, and at time t = 0, one inductor has current flowing through it and the other doesn't. We want to know what happens when the clock starts ticking.
So let's convert that to a version done with ideal mechanical springs:
It's basically two springs connected in series, with immovable anchor points on each end.
Like this: III\/\/\/\/*\/\/\/\/\/\/\/III
At t = 0 the left ideal spring is compressed and the right ideal spring is not compressed. What happens when the clock starts ticking?
MileHigh
Feynman, I have to assume people know how to drive a MOSFET, some day I'll post a complete schematic, but not when I'm brainstorming. If you need help with a particular design, by all means shoot me an email, or just check the net.
EM
Quote from: teslaalset on 2011.03.08, 20:49:08
Well I played around with the sample size and I am not convinced the theory of Turtur can be wiped from the table just like that.
I've contacted Haithar to see whether he is willing to increase the max nr. samples allowed in his software.
I'll get back as soon as I've done sufficient simulations with more accurate sample intervals.
i've made a separate thread to discuss Turtur's simulations and theory of a Zero Point energy motor to avoid several different discussions in this thread:
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=759.msg11879;topicseen#msg11879
Quote from: EMdevices on 2011.03.09, 07:39:30
Feynman, I have to assume people know how to drive a MOSFET, some day I'll post a complete schematic, but not when I'm brainstorming. If you need help with a particular design, by all means shoot me an email, or just check the net.
EM
I thought part of your idea was to leave the gate unconnected. I did that once with some TTL NAND gates and got strange effects in a circuit -- like a theramin from a science fiction movie.
Check out this paper, maybe you'll find it useful in your motor research...
Hybrid MOSFET/driver for Ultra-fast Switching
http://www.slac.stanford.edu/cgi-wrap/getdoc/slac-pub-13410.pdf
@Milehigh
QuoteI draw a clear distinction between renewable energy and free energy. "Free energy" is the energy that people speculate magically materializes out of nowhere or allegedly comes from the vacuum or the Dirac sea, etc. That's "free energy" and that's what the debate is focused on. Energy that doesn't have a monetary cost like sunlight is not of interest to me. Mixing the concepts of "free energy" and renewable energy is better to be avoided because it just clouds the debate.
I think one of the problems with this approach is that if energy is conserved, it cannot be created nor destroyed, then all energy is renewable without exception only the form and time frame may change. That is I may liberate energy from uranium (nuclear energy) which was given to it billions of years ago in another place and this energy may take another form. This energy then follows the laws of entropy and radiates outward over time to other objects which may eventually be pulled into stars or suns which have been speculated to form heavy elements and the process continues. I believe that if energy cannot be created nor destroyed and energy by law must radiate outward through entropy but at some point in time no matter how long gravitate towards objects then all energy in every form must be renewable energy by definition.
Another issue is time, should we have to start redefining everything based on time? that is to say energy held in matter from billions of years ago doesn't count as renewable, in this case what does? As well if all energy outside the context of the form it takes, time or place must be conserved and renewable by definition then there can be no such thing as free energy as all energy must be by definition renewable. I find all of these definitions very confusing :D
Regards
AC
If my need represents 10 units but I can only retrieve 1 unit per the timeframe of the need then I am consumptive.
If my need is 1 unit per 1 unit of time and the source is 1000 units per sub unit of time is this overunity?
Resonance creates a time pump.
Kone head shares "How its done"
Hi all
"rules" of successful coil-shorting are:
1) must use super low low low resistance switching. That is why reed swtiches work well (but wont last)...I was always using solid state mosfet relays in my motor for years, when I tried to coil short with them, it didnt work at all and was very confounded.
This summer, Ismael Aviso told me to do it solid state you MUST have ultra-low resistance switching and this means you can only use mosfets of high amperage basically.
Ismael actually puts 5 mosfets in paralell to get the ressitance low....solids state relays will NOT work as resistance is too high.
Also this summer Gyula gave me excellent bidirectional mosfet circuit, where mosfets connect at the source and gate so they swtihc AC this works very great.
rule2) ther emust be NO resistance in capacitor that fills up in coil shorting ...any resistance kills effect as you get the picture...
you shoulud have "two-stage" circuit to output power - that is cap fills up first, then cap dumps to load while at same time cap is disconnected from "source" (coils being shorted)
I never had problems iwth extra draw (reflection) to motor when using reed swithcies - just like romerouk shows - you find that timing sweet spot - but when I made a very powerful mullergenrator with aircores, and one coil of 12 can put out 15A and 20V apiece (VA not watts) then had lots of problems of rotovertor motor going up in draw when coil-shorting.
My freind Bob Leff was testing this with me and I showed him scope shot what coil shorting looks like (oscilation rings)
and he said this is JUST LIKE TESL SPARK GAP (it is and Ismael says same thing) - when spark gap jumps acorss upon connection, it shorts coil....and so what you do with Tesla spark gap is put "resonator" AC cap in series so we did that and "rerfleciton" (extra draw) back to motor is totally GONE...(BIG breakthrogh!)
but you must experiment with different uf sizes - 6uf as example will be no refleciton, but lesser power let thourght...Bolt explained to me the AC cap in series works as high-bypass filter...letting the highend go through to fill cap but blcoking low end stuff that casues lenz-lug to rotor... other example is 100 uf will be lots of powe let through, but the lots of relction etc...
The AC seris caps also cuts lenz sw down too which also Ismael confimred to me he usesthem too...but really two-stage circuit and also high bypass cap is way you want to go for "extraction" of big power.
Ismael Shorts 5 times during peak period - and he times the shorts to occur right at tops of the OSCILLATION'S PEAKS that is the"how he does it"
I am woking on doing that now. using some 555 smitt-trigger timer cirucits that Bolt gave me which can sense, asimewave peaks and pop in the multiple shorts per peak.
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Also, couple of new fellows are tag teaming bolt for more info!
here,
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10398.msg277164#new
@ramset
These sound like good ideas to me... 'shorting' is analogous to the sharp DC gradient, which seems to be the key to unexplored electrical physics, and what's in common across many anomalous phenomenon (besides resonance, frequency, and phase).
Just in my experience, anomalous phenomenon involving motor circuits are notoriously hard to replicate. It's much easier to replicate solid-state anomalies -- for example, the Naudin 2SGen, which can be examined here:
Naudin 2SGen
http://jnaudin.free.fr/2SGen/indexen.htm
(http://jnaudin.free.fr/2SGen/indexen.htm)
My personal ambitions are for solid-state power and a self-runner . The only reason I will deal with moving parts at all these days will be for powering a generator off HHO. So anyway I think the shorting coil experiments are a good idea. I just will be avoiding motors for personal reasons. I suppose I'm just sick of the last project I worked on, for which I was employed, which was all stepper motors.
@Ramset
Quote1) must use super low low low resistance switching. That is why reed swtiches work well (but wont last)...I was always using solid state mosfet relays in my motor for years, when I tried to coil short with them, it didnt work at all and was very confounded.
This summer, Ismael Aviso told me to do it solid state you MUST have ultra-low resistance switching and this means you can only use mosfets of high amperage basically.
Ismael actually puts 5 mosfets in paralell to get the ressitance low....solids state relays will NOT work as resistance is too high.
Also this summer Gyula gave me excellent bidirectional mosfet circuit, where mosfets connect at the source and gate so they swtihc AC this works very great.
I think this is a common problem everyone encounters, mosfets with high current ratings may have low resistance but usually have slow switching speeds and the 100ns range is like watching paint dry. As well the large gate capacitance usually requires a high power driver which eats up efficiency in a big hurry. Does anyone here know of any super fast, low resistance mosfets with a reasonable current rating? I have spent endless hours looking for the right specs and have yet to find anything remotely intersting other than RF mosfets costing hundreds of dollars.
Regards
AC
The process of "shorting" the winding then "collecting"
the resultant impulse could be rather easily accomplished
with one of the now available "half-bridge" driver chips.
The "shorting" and "collecting" MOSFET switches can be
synchronized with the source waveform to enable the activity
in a burst of high frequency pulses at the precise time desired.
Constructing such a control circuit with discrete components
would be very challenging.
Quote from: allcanadian on 2011.03.09, 19:17:38
...
I think this is a common problem everyone encounters, mosfets with high current ratings may have low resistance but usually have slow switching speeds and the 100ns range...
...
AC
The Gate Drivers which will adequately provide the
high current charge/discharge pulses for rapid
turn-on and turn-off of the MOSFETs are now abundant
and inexpensive.
When properly driven the high current MOSFETs will
switch in several nanoSeconds.
If energy can not be created or destroyed then how did it come to exist in the first place?
Based on common sense reasoning, we can surmise that energy can be created or destroyed and that if we can not perform these acts then the fault is our own and not some law of the universe.
Then the question becomes: "How do I create energy?"
@allcanadian
Try this... this is what I'm going to use unless I find something better. It's integrated driver/MOSFET on SMT with up to 1000Vds , 3-4ns switching speed, and 3pF input capacitance.
DRF1200 MOSFET/driver hybrid
The DRF1200 MOSFET driver hybrid. This hybrid includes a high power gate driver and
the power MOSFET. It was designed to provide the system designer increased flexibility
and lowered cost over a non-integrated solution
DRIVER FEATURES
• Switching Frequency: DC TO 30MHz
• Low Pulse Width Distortion
• Single Power Supply
• 3V CMOS Schmitt Trigger Input 1V
Hysteresis
• Drivers > 3nF
MOSFET FEATURES
• Switching Frequency: DC TO 30MHz
• Switching Speed 3-4ns
• BVds = 1kV
• Ids = 13A avg.
• Rds(on) ≤ 1 Ohm
• PD = 350W
http://www.microsemi.com/datasheets/DRF1200_A.pdf
Haven't checked how much it costs though...
This is how I would create energy in a closed system.
1) create a potential field like gravity
2) let the potential exert it's influence on somethething like a mass, and store this energy into another potential like a spring.
3) turn off the first potential
4) move the mass back to the starting point
5) repeat
The implied assumption here is that a "potential field" can just give energy or create energy not accountable to the phenomena that created the potential, which might take energy to "create" it.
So if we can find such a potential where the energy required to establish it is not a variable of the "objects" and their location in it, then maybe we can pull it off.
EM
Unit price $200.00usd
http://www.rell.com/pages/Product-Details.aspx?productId=767916
QuoteUnit price $200.00usd
http://www.rell.com/pages/Product-Details.aspx?productId=767916
Ouch! Well you get what you pay for... maybe there is a way to do it cheaper , if we do it in 10ns instead of 3ns. I should probably check Digikey datasheets before I shell out $200 x 3 = $600 for 3 frequencies.
Still this DRF1200 looks so awesome... I mean 1000V ! Up to 8Amps! You can do so many experiments with this one MOSFET. Plus that fits perfect with my 1KV 2U rack power supply.... I'll keep looking though . I'm making a parts list for my new lab.
Quote from: EMdevices on 2011.03.09, 20:28:52
This is how I would create energy in a closed system.
1) create a potential field like gravity
2) let the potential exert it's influence on somethething like a mass, and store this energy into another potential like a spring.
3) turn off the first potential
4) move the mass back to the starting point
5) repeat
The implied assumption here is that a "potential field" can just give energy or create energy not accountable to the phenomena that created the potential, which might take energy to "create" it.
So if we can find such a potential where the energy required to establish it is not a variable of the "objects" and their location in it, then maybe we can pull it off.
EM
This requires a natural spring, a force that can be turned on and off, and a source of potential energy (mass).
Quote from: Grumpy on 2011.03.09, 20:49:51
This requires a natural spring, a force that can be turned on and off, and a source of potential energy (mass).
Doesn't the Tesla coil secondary perform this spring function?
I hope some of you guys set up coil shorting tests, the more the merrier. The real issue at hand is once you get something going and you can see a shorted out sine wave on your scope display with the ringing oscillations, then what? Just seeing the waveform and connecting up a FWBR and charging up a collector cap doesn't mean that the job is done. Presumably you are doing all of this because you believe that shorting coils and creating some sort of LC tank circuit resonator and then siphoning off the energy in the resonating tank and charging a cap will give you free energy.
If you want to explore the circuit and see if it produces any free energy the first step should be to make an accurate schematic and post it. Without a good schematic everything becomes a guessing game. Then you have to make measurements on your power or energy in and your power or energy out. This as far as I am concerned is the weakest link in the chain. Some of you might see the oscillations in the sine wave and see the collector cap fill up and declare victory. If it only was as simple as that, but it isn't.
Here is what you are up against: Let's assume that there is a setup where you short the coil when current is flowing through it and that sets up the oscillations in the LC tank circuit. You know the energy stored in the coil the instant before the oscillations start is 1/2Li^2 and you had to supply energy from the outside world to get the current flowing in the first place. Let's assume that energy came from a magnet passing by the coil. Therefore there was Lenz drag on the passing magnet and that was the energy source to get the current flowing through the coil. Then the LC tank circuit starts to oscillate with a fixed initial input energy of 1/2Li^2. That resonates and goes through the FWBR to charge the collector cap. There are resistive losses in the wires and losses in the diodes when you do this. So unless you have a magic injection of extra energy from somewhere in this chain then the setup will be under unity.
It's all about making proper measurements that are as accurate as possible. This is the hard part, getting to the point were you see the chopped sine wave with the oscillations should be the easier part.
I read Konehead's "How its done" and I wasn't impressed. It doesn't really matter through. If somebody is going to try something themselves it's ultimately all about power/energy out vs. power/energy in.
MileHigh
@Feynman
QuoteStill this DRF1200 looks so awesome... I mean 1000V ! Up to 8Amps! You can do so many experiments with this one MOSFET. Plus that fits perfect with my 1KV 2U rack power supply.... I'll keep looking though . I'm making a parts list for my new lab.
Thanks for the link, I will have to look into that mosfet with an integrated driver which sounds like it could save a bit of time, it has some pretty impressive specs as well.
@Grumpy
QuoteIf energy can not be created or destroyed then how did it come to exist in the first place?
I think that may be the best question I have heard in a very long time :D, I have considered this problem for a long time and I came to the conclusion that we have been given no proof whatsoever that the universe has an end and if it has no end then why should it have a beginning. I understand that most everything we know implies that things must have a beginning and must end at some point but the farther we look into space the more we see, as well what we see may appear to be expanding but that does not mean everything must be expanding. I think the issue here is that we have no way to rationalize something that never begins or ends and it is completely beyond our ability to grasp but that does not mean it is not a possibility. It wasn't all that long ago that everyone looked at the horizon and assumed everything was flat so it may be possible that we have come to all the wrong conclusions yet again by making assumptions.
Regards
AC
MH
Quote:
I hope some of you guys set up coil shorting tests, the more the merrier
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Thats right MH,the more the merrier ,and some new boyz are puttin the screws to bolt [heh heh]
And if he really throws in the full monty..................
There will be testing a plenty!!
It'll be your dream ......................or nightmare come true!![Yeesh Aquarious].
Sort of like a trifecta of OU !Gonna be a good time!!
Chet
Mystic crystal revelation
And the mind's true liberation
Let's hope!
Quote from: MileHigh on 2011.03.10, 02:27:28
Mystic crystal revelation
And the mind's true liberation
Let's hope!
Come on MH. If energy can not be created or destroyed then how did it all start? If there was a "big bang", what existed before that?
Until proven otherwise, conservation of energy is questionable.
Side note:
In one of Edgar Cayce's readings, he had been asked to ask questions about anti-gravity technology. The reply was too the point and demanding: "Prove theyself approved first!" Then the voice added that these are creative forces that we inquire about and that information would not be provided until we had prove ourselves responsible. (My interpretation.)
"creative forces" = creation of energy
Quote from: Grumpy on 2011.03.10, 02:59:58
Come on MH. If energy can not be created or destroyed then how did it all start? If there was a "big bang", what existed before that?
Until proven otherwise, conservation of energy is questionable.
Ask Steven Hawking, don't ask me. I am more concerned with the observable Universe as it is right now and our little corner in it. The Earth is like a BBQ chicken and the Sun is the hot element that cooks the chicken and keeps us alive. Just about all our local energy stems from that setup, and it's all based on the conservation of energy. That's the way the cookie crumbles right now. If anything was ever invented or discovered that violated COE, then they would have to add an addendum to all of the science books.
Anyway, another enigma about free energy is that if you actually had it and you used too much of it, the Earth might not be able to stand the extra heat.
MileHigh
In 2008, total worldwide energy consumption
was 474 exajoules (474×1018J) with 80 to 90
percent derived from the combustion of fossil
fuels. This is equivalent to an average annual
power consumption rate of 15 terawatts (1.504×1013W).
Sunlight is Earth's primary source of energy.
The solar constant is the amount of power that
the Sun deposits per unit area that is directly
exposed to sunlight. The solar constant is equal
to approximately 1,368 W/m2 (watts per square meter)
at a distance of one astronomical unit (AU) from
the Sun (that is, on or near Earth). Sunlight on
the surface of Earth is attenuated by the Earth's
atmosphere so that less power arrives at the surface
closer to 1,000 W/m2 in clear conditions when the Sun
is near the zenith.
Earth Surface area is 510,072,000 km2 where
148,940,000 km2 is land (29.2 %) and
361,132,000 km2 is water (70.8 %).
Total energy produced by the Sun on the Earth
is approx. 510072000000 Joules or 510 terawatts,
and since only half the Earth is on sunlight
then the value is approx. 255 terawatts.
The IR radiation form the side of the Earth that
is not against the sun is the same, 255 terawatts.
Because if it was not then the Earth would have
boiled away a long time ago. The Earth's total ability
to get rid of heat by IR radiation to space is not
know.
So the Earth is able to "take on" 255 terawatts
of heat without any problem. The extra small
15 terawatts (actually less than that) produced
by humans is small compared to the Sun's heat.
So if we replace the energy we today produce by
burning oil with free energy then the result
climate will be the almost same as today. We will
probably get more Sun energy because of a cleaner
atmosphere but the IR radiation at night will also
be larger because of that.
All in all I think humans will be better off with
free energy than burning oil.
GL.
@Grumpy
QuoteIf energy can not be created or destroyed then how did it all start? If there was a "big bang", what existed before that?
The Big Squash, then the Big Bang and then probably another big Squash --- kind of like a piston engine.
QuoteIn one of Edgar Cayce's readings, he had been asked to ask questions about anti-gravity technology. The reply was too the point and demanding: "Prove theyself approved first!" Then the voice added that these are creative forces that we inquire about and that information would not be provided until we had prove ourselves responsible. (My interpretation.)
Until we have proven ourselves responsible? --- So basically he was saying were screwed, wonderful.
AC
Groundloop:
I was only joking about the extra heat. The numbers about the Sun are amazing though, eh? For me that's why all of the gloom and doom talk about Man destroying the environment and Man running out of energy are just talk. As oil becomes more scarce and more expensive we will continue to build more and more infrastructure to harness solar energy. 200 years from now there is a chance that most of our mains power will come from solar energy and stored solar energy.
This is a good one that may one day be in common use:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_updraft_tower (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_updraft_tower)
MileHigh
Quote from: MileHigh on 2011.03.10, 09:39:27
Groundloop:
I was only joking about the extra heat. The numbers about the Sun are amazing though, eh? For me that's why all of the gloom and doom talk about Man destroying the environment and Man running out of energy are just talk. As oil becomes more scarce and more expensive we will continue to build more and more infrastructure to harness solar energy. 200 years from now there is a chance that most of our mains power will come from solar energy and stored solar energy.
This is a good one that may one day be in common use:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_updraft_tower (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_updraft_tower)
MileHigh
Yes that updraft tower was a smart thing. And yes, the energy from the Sun is so large that man made energy
is peanuts compared.
The total solar energy absorbed by Earth's atmosphere, oceans and land masses is approximately
3,850,000 exajoules (EJ) per year. In 2002, this was more energy in one hour than the world used in one year.
Photosynthesis captures approximately 3,000 EJ per year in biomass. The amount of solar energy reaching
the surface of the planet is so vast that in one year it is about twice as much as will ever be obtained from all
of the Earth's non-renewable resources of coal, oil, natural gas, and mined uranium combined.
I also think that in 200 years time all energy will be from over unity systems. :-)
GL.
Another few thoughts on the coil shorting experimenters. Assuming that you build your circuits and then make proper measurements, and you record excess energy, then you can still take it one step further.
The next step that you can do is find out exactly when and where you get the excess energy in the operation of the circuit. You have your scope and you can probe your circuit and create a timing diagram that shows the operation of the circuit on paper. You should be able to show exactly where on the timing diagram the excess energy manifests itself.
Between here and OU it looks like there are a handful of people that are interested in doing this. This is because of claims made by Ismael Aviso, Doug Konzen and Bolt. On the other hand, I gave a general description of the operation of a circuit like this a few postings back and showed how it worked and it doesn't look particularly remarkable to me.
So I hope that somebody follows through; 1) Build the circuit and show the schematic, 2) Make proper measurements, 3) If you find excess energy pinpoint exactly where the extra energy is coming from with the aid of a timing diagram.
It's easy to talk the talk, especially when nobody challenges you to offer up hard data and a detailed explanation to back up your claims. So if some of you want to walk the walk, I have suggested to you what needs to be done. You have lots of latitude to build it and make your measurements and show where the extra energy is coming from, and do it your own way. As long as the data you present is credible then it will be great.
MileHigh
QuoteFrom Grumpy:
If energy can not be created or destroyed then how did it all start? If there was a "big bang", what existed before that?
QuoteFrom AC:
The Big Squash, then the Big Bang and then probably another big Squash --- kind of like a piston engine.
QuoteFrom Grumpy:
In one of Edgar Cayce's readings, he had been asked to ask questions about anti-gravity technology. The reply was to the point and demanding: "Prove theyself approved first!" Then the voice added that these are creative forces that we inquire about and that information would not be provided until we had proved ourselves responsible. (My interpretation.)
QuoteFrom AC:
Until we have proven ourselves responsible? --- So basically he was saying were screwed, wonderful.
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Way to go guys! Although it appears very unlikely that
"We" will ever prove ourselves responsible as a community,
we have been assured that we will all be taught to become
responsible; and more.
One day in the far distant future we'll remember these present
days of utter confusion with incredulity...
The Big Squash - who knows? There may be something to this...
Looks like where gonna be off to the races......................
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10398.msg277311#new
AHHHH
The trifecta.....
Chet
Ismael's on the tube tonight
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:SmartScarecrow_Broadcast
I caught the tail end of it. In the past 10 years the Internet backbone has gotten a lot more robust so that streaming video works quite well nowadays. I had to make that dumb nerd observation considering I had a 300 baud modem for my Commodore 64 back in the day and I rarely venture into the "New Wave" Internet. I am more of a 90s Internet guy.
Anyway, bring on the sparking coils!
@Dumped
QuoteOne day in the far distant future we'll remember these present
days of utter confusion with incredulity...
The Big Squash - who knows? There may be something to this...
If there is one thing we know for certain it is that everything we know is cyclic in nature ;)
I'm not sure if anybody is going to seriously do builds and testing for the shorting-coil experiment. Note a recent quote from Bolt on OU:
QuoteJust a note on Bob Boyce. Its my understanding after dissecting all the info i can find on it that the toroidal thing he uses is wired as a 3 phase transformer in essence driven by processor for control of very narrow PWM pulses, amplitude and frequency control. The HF ferrite transformer is driven out of phase to create very high VARS and the cell sits in series with another inductor with a cap across it to make alike RF tuned circuit. This is basic RV technology.
Bob says the overall system from DC to gas has a COP around 3-5 typical. The only reason i mention this is because i seen reference to Bob's stuff having a COP > 1000 and this it not true. So his devices puts on par with a good MEG but falls way short of Kapanadze COP 100 and the real TPU and VTA has a COP > 1000. Anything with a COP 5 or over should be capable of looping very easy.
Although many people have produced COP 1.2 or 1.8 etc within well tuned Joule Thief's, Bedini wheels and chargers etc you cant loop till you get a COP 2 plus losses to loop it usually means in practice at least COP 2.5 and even then its twitchy as hell to get a motor/gen looped at low COP and will have no power to drive anything else other than barely keep itself going.
These lower COP levels although very real and purposeful as Energy Savers open a big bag of worms for testing as a million man hours wasted arguing about the correct measurement methods. My suggestion is don't even bother to arguing about it if it works for you then put it to practical use for lighting, pumping, heating whatever.
I will clarify this as a motor generator. Its a COP 3 system. Lets say my motor drives a generator. My motor needs 100 watts. The generator makes 300 watts as some special coil shorting thing (example only) Out of that 300 watt i must loop back 200 watts because 100 watts will be lost through the motor, inverter, friction, lead acid battery etc till i get 100 watts i need to power the motor. This means the system is only 50% efficient in terms of losses. But the COP of 3 means i can pass back 200 watts lose 50% to keep the motor going on 100 watts. So im left with left 100 watts OU out of the generator. This is typical of real life loopers:)
It would be great if some people do do the testing because it gives the community an opportunity to see if what Bolt and others are saying has any substance to it. It's actually all nonsense talk. That won't win me any popularity contests around here but I stand by what I say. The testing will prove that I am right beyond the shadow of a doubt.
You have every right to not believe me. So I challenge Bolt, Giantkiller, and any others that expressed interest in testing if shorting a coil produces any excess energy to go forward and do the testing. The reality will speak for itself. I would be willing to give some suggestions for the testing phase. I will also ask the right questions. Namely, what is your power in and what is your power out? Real measurements with concrete data is the only way to go.
Anybody up to the challenge???!!!
MileHigh
MH
I hope GK Toasts your twinkies...............
Chet
Shorting the coils in a generator is understandable, it's a way to boost the voltage, but in a motor it doesn't make sense, perhaps konehead doesn't fully understand what Ismael Aviso is doing, but has a pretty good idea since he helped him in the past.
Here's an alternative experiment if a generator is not available.
Replace generator with a battery and place a capacitor in series to prevent DC current. Then add an inductor in series and short it to ground and then disconnect and repeat. A diode and another battery can be used to capture the kickback.
This experiment will obviously not model and capture any of the magnetic resonances that might occur in a generator, but will let you validate the other claim, that the capacitor blocks DC and won't load down the generator if it would be used as the EMF source instead of the battery.
What you will realize if you draw this circuit out is the fact that you can extract power from a battery but only until the blocking capacitor charges up to the same voltage as the battery.
EM
Quote from: Grumpy on 2011.03.09, 19:46:18
If energy can not be created or destroyed then how did it come to exist in the first place?
This question is biased because it presumes that energy should have come into existence from a "first place", i.e. that there is a creation and that time exists before.
This idea is inherited from centuries of religious thinking and psychologically linked to the human daily experience that nothing could exist without having been previously made.
It is irrelevant because "previously" has no meaning outside of the time dimension, i.e. outside of our universe. Energy/matter/time exist together in our universe, and no fact supports the possibility that one of them can exist separately. Without energy or matter, clocks can't exist, then time can't exist because time is what clocks measure. Absence of time prevents any dynamics. It follows that no creation from a "first place" is possible. Theories of cyclic universes with big bang/big crunch are one of the ways for avoiding such misconceptions. There are others.
This is assuming that our reference to the time measurement scale is the same through out all instances of matter.
What if we could see 1 magnitude greater in frequency scale? What would one see that would control the revelatory processes in the mind? What would become Passe' that is so inconceivable in our view?
I was browsing the Overunity.com website last evening and I noticed the test results that were performed on the Ismael Aviso electric car by the DOE folks.
It appears that the dynamo tests show a slight increase of energy than what is put in from the battery. However, he uses some other batteries onboard for his fans and controllers so these "murky the water" a little bit.
It should also be noted that his system only puts out about 400 watts, which is not even a horse power. No wonder his "car" is just a skeleton, it needs to be light weight.
Also note from those results (Test 1 2 3 4) that the battery voltage goes down with each test, indicating the battery is discharging.
EM
Quote from: EMdevices on 2011.03.14, 22:45:09
I was browsing the Overunity.com website last evening and I noticed the test results that were performed on the Ismael Aviso electric car by the DOE folks.
It appears that the dynamo tests show a slight increase of energy than what is put in from the battery. However, he uses some other batteries onboard for his fans and controllers so these "murky the water" a little bit.
EM
Think about this: The DOE folks most likely only knew how to put a gasoline or diesel car onto the dynamometer and measure gas consumption vs. wheel mechanical power to check for compliance with the federal gas mileage laws and related matters.
That didn't look like DOE employees fiddling with the batteries, it looked like Ismael's people. Nor did it look like they had DSOs and did analysis of the instantaneous voltage and current waveforms from the batteries. You need to do this to measure the battery output power.
In other words, the DOE people were more than happy to measure the mechanical output power from the car, and stood back and watched when the battery power "measurements" were being made.
An "official report" was promised, but mark my words, that will never happen. All that really happened was that Ismael managed to get access to the DOE test lab as a freebie or for a nominal fee.
The whole thing is a sham.
MileHigh
Well,
Seems like its cohesing into a plan {PDF}
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10398.msg277991#new
And a cource of action!
Chet
Looks like Ishmael Aviso is now focusing his energy on developing an AC motor control unit.
He has a new video out in which he shows a bank of quite a few batteries hooked up in series to obtain maybe over 200 volts and then he connects some capacitors to an AC motor and he powers through a small controller and coil setup on the table. What's puzzling to me is why he keeps mentioning that he is harvesting ambient energy. Maybe he means something totally different by this phrase than we might think, because obviously he has a huge bank of batteries there and that's where the energy is coming from.
EM
Quote from: EMdevices on 2011.04.17, 01:47:27
Looks like Ishmael Aviso is now focusing his energy on developing an AC motor control unit.
He has a new video out in which he shows a bank of quite a few batteries hooked up in series to obtain maybe over 200 volts and then he connects some capacitors to an AC motor and he powers through a small controller and coil setup on the table. What's puzzling to me is why he keeps mentioning that he is harvesting ambient energy. Maybe he means something totally different by this phrase than we might think, because obviously he has a huge bank of batteries there and that's where the energy is coming from.
EM
The only fact is: Ishmael Aviso built a motor powered by a battery.Where is the exploit?! ;D
We have no energy measurement according to a detailed protocol, no evidence of extra-energy.
Bedini does the same for tens of years and nobody get a FE working machine.
They can say they harvest ambient energy or ZPE or whatever else, there is nothing puzzling to me, these cases are simply completely empty.
I am totally baffled by Ismael Aviso. I can't understand how anybody can take him seriously. Other people see people taking Ismael seriously and the dollar sign symbols light up in their eyes.