Temporary Announcement:Past quote:
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"As MileHigh, our resident Genius, has pointed out in his infinite wisdom, my experience in high voltage electronics is limited. I really haven't had the money or freedom to engage in the work I really want to do. That time is coming."
I don't know where MileHigh is now, but I will actually have the time and the imperative necessity to begin work on this subject. The money still isn't here yet, but my personal skin cancer motivates me to act. It's something I more than merely 'need to do'---it's life-and-death, now.
Continuing with the rest of thread:
Hey guys, I'm winding the coils for a Lakhovsky radiator coil system using line voltage as a starting point.
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://altered-states.net/barry/newsletter208/mwoDiagram.gif&imgrefurl=http://altered-states.net/barry/newsletter208/index.htm&usg=__ZTSFvmfTzsrQU3lGpsCN4rGgDng=&h=588&w=208&sz=121&hl=en&start=12&zoom=1&tbnid=x8y3cKB8EELBgM:&tbnh=165&tbnw=58&ei=3o7hTaD-OpO6sQOWp5j8Bg&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dlakhovsky%2Bcoil%2Boperation%26hl%3Den%26biw%3D995%26bih%3D586%26tbm%3Disch&itbs=1&iact=rc&dur=219&page=2&ndsp=19&ved=1t:429,r:6,s:12&tx=21&ty=132
Alright, then, about halfway down this Internet page is the most common wiring diagram I can find for what I'm trying to do. I'll leave out the vacuum tube and just go with 2 or 3 sets of hand-wound, step-up transformers in series. The final coil will have 24ga. copper wire about 1/2" between each turn. High voltage transformers will be wound on glass soda bottles with electrician's tape to keep the coil turns in place. 30,000 VAC is about the maximum I can safely manage with a 4 watt night light current limiter paralleled on the input.
Time is up on this library computer. Questions? Recommendations? Comments? Will return after the Memorial Day weekend.
p.s.
Clicking on the 'Web address does actually render a diagram of the circuit on this computer. In the drawing, the vacuum tube (1B3)functions as a diode to supply '+' voltage to the spark plug. It can be replaced by a doide or string of diodes.
Another, (admittedly)
COMMERCIAL! Internet brochure for Tesla and the MWO:
http://altered-states.net/barry/newsletter425/index.htm
Also, I'm thinking of using a toroid setup on the line voltage input or else the immediate output stage between transformers to see if this makes any difference in perceived effect(s).
--Lee
Reedit, 17 Jun 11: Adding to thread title and to descriptive text for vacuum tube/diode.
Reedit, 20 Jun '11: Rearranging text, deleting past personal announce concerning the Memorial Day weekend and adding a reference 'Web site address.
Reedit, 30 Aug '11: Added
"Temporary Announcement" to top of post.
Reedit, 28 Oct '11: Reworded the opening announcement.
Reedit, 23 May 13: Reworded the opening announcement.
Before any of this magic you need to read the book 'The body electric' chapter 'Maxwell's silver hammer' to learn or review what the window frequencies do to the chromosomes, liver, areas of the brain. Getting severe headaches, diarrhea, and dizziness are from the wrong frequency bursts.
Note:As with a few other threads, I have no freedom, money or time to pursue experimentation with, this thread will be sticky to the top of the page until I do have the wherewithal to devote attention to it.
Quote from: giantkiller on 2011.05.29, 03:05:33
Before any of this magic you need to read the book 'The body electric' chapter 'Maxwell's silver hammer' to learn or review what the window frequencies do to the chromosomes, liver, areas of the brain. ...
Yes, if you GOOGLize...
"EMF harmful effects 50 60 HZ"
...there should be some commercial reference(s) to therapeutic means of preventing damage to the body from: cell phones, handheld electric razors, CRT monitor tubes, various home appliances, etc.
It's not just my efforts alone that are potentially harmful. Sensitive people might be affected as well. American 60 HZ wall power doesn't seem to affect me; I've lived around it all my life, and I'm fine.
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...Getting severe headaches, diarrhea, and dizziness are from the wrong frequency bursts.
Possibly so, however, Nicola Tesla lived to be an old man while experimenting with his high frequency coils. The Lakhovsky radiating coil is said to be just as beneficial for similar reasons, since the output frequencies vary from 1 Hz to 3 trillion Hz; and everything in between.
I've never heard of the Lakhovsky coil being bad unless too much current and too much time exposed become a problem? I think such issues would vary from individual to individual. Thusly:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8310.0 ; quoted by Tito L. Oracion
"Re: After Some 35 Years Of Research I Have Discovered A Cure For HIV/AIDS!!!!
« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2009, 11:50:26 AM »
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hi everybody gooday ! ;D
a very high voltage with a high frequency could kill a virus and maybe this is the secret of tesla why he got long life ;D"
But, I might still look into this, since I'm curious.
--Lee
Reedit, 16 Jun '11: Added reference post from OU.com, referring to Tesla's long life.
Reedit, 20 Jun '11: Added Tito L. Oracion's name to the OU.com reference.
Reedit, 26 Aug '11: Moved this thread to "sticky" at the top of page. This'll be an archive subject until I have more freedom, time and money to devote to it. It's still
unlocked, so Members can still comment if they wish. Their decision.
Lee said:
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Hey guys, I'm winding the coils for a Lakhovsky radiator coil system using line voltage as a starting point.
Toward that end, I had the thought of taking a removable, high-current heating element from a stove(in the shape of a spiral, obviously), and inputting 2400 VAC from a set of power transformers turned backwards from the wall current of 120 VAC and using 1/2 of the 12 VAC center tap. I
believe the coil will act like a helical receiving antenna as it
output radiates the inputted 2400 V. Also, as a safety measure, at least one high value and/or large current limiting resistor or other load-bearing means should be paralleled across the input.
The question I ask myself is: What about EMI, which is what the Lakhovsky coil is actually supposed to do- - -radiate radio waves? How bad will the EMI be with something like a helical coil? A spiral coil?
Note:If the stove heating element doesn't work, a similarly shaped coil of co-ax cable should do the trick. Unshielded, that is. As is, a co-ax coil should obviously be smaller and consume less power; therefore being safer than a stove heating element.
--Lee
Later Reedit:http://www.epcos.com/web/generator/Web/Sections/Components/Page,locale=en,r=263282,a=849276.html
This is a European manufacturer of EMI components, so that by implication, EMI interference is severe enough warrant attenuation with passive components. However, there are fairly large numbers of patented induction power supplies that cater to stove-top induction cooking which don't get into such detailed EMI suppression schemes.
Here's an excellent example:
Patent #6,992,406
"Induction Heating or Melting Power Supply Utilizing a Tuning Capacitor"http://www.google.com/patents?id=qcN3AAAAEBAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=patent:6992406&hl=en&ei=69mlTrzyKoTkiALa7JyYDQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CC8Q6AEwAA
Hmmmm.......And there this...
http://www.google.com/patents?id=AIAKAAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4#v=onepage&q&f=false
And this:
http://www.google.com/patents?id=cOY2AAAAEBAJ&printsec=abstract&zoom=4#v=onepage&q&f=false
QuoteLee said:
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Hey guys, I'm winding the coils for a Lakhovsky radiator coil system using line voltage as a starting point.
Toward that end, I had the thought of taking a removable, high-current heating element from a stove(in the shape of a spiral, obviously), and inputting 2400 VAC from a set of power transformers turned backwards from the wall current of 120 VAC and using 1/2 of the 12 VAC center tap. I believe the coil will act like a helical receiving antenna as it output radiates the inputted 2400 V. Also, as a safety measure, at least one high value and/or large current limiting resistor or other load-bearing means should be paralleled across the input.
The question I ask myself is: What about EMI, which is what the Lakhovsky coil is actually supposed to do- - -radiate radio waves? How bad will the EMI be with something like a helical coil? A spiral coil?
Note:
If the stove heating element doesn't work, a similarly shaped coil of co-ax cable should do the trick. Unshielded, that is. As is, a co-ax coil should obviously be smaller and consume less power; therefore being safer than a stove heating element.
Lee, I am pretty sure that you are just a beginner in electronics. When I first read your posting I almost wanted to scream. One of these days one of you guys or girls is going to get yourself killed doing one of these kinds of nonsensical experiments. Sorry I am not going to be politically correct here, you are talking about potentially generating lethal voltages.
Something to make you think:
http://pesn.com/2011/08/11/9501892_Alternative-Fuel_Business_Explosion_in_Sylma-LA/ (http://pesn.com/2011/08/11/9501892_Alternative-Fuel_Business_Explosion_in_Sylma-LA/)
http://pesn.com/2010/06/18/9501662_water-fuel-research_Explosion_kills_inventor/ (http://pesn.com/2010/06/18/9501662_water-fuel-research_Explosion_kills_inventor/)
QuoteThere is no sabotage, these people are simply deluded. It as all self inflicted. Realm Industries started off with the claim of being able to produce hydrogen gas through a process that required less energy than could be extracted from the resulting gas. Allegedly by a factor of 3 to 4. I know this because I attended a demonstration of the technology at the Simi Valley factory in 2006. The demo was given by Timothy Larson, the guy who now lost 2 limbs. I also interviewed Bill, the inventor at the time. He claimed that he had worked with Prof Yule Brown in the past and that he implemented some of Browns secrets in his technology. I have seen the machine they used to make the gas. After that, myself and an associate stayed in touch with them for a while because we where interested in the technology. But the Realm people shifted their focus from on-board generation to storage of the gas. They claimed that they had discovered a process which rendered the watergas inert and inflammable after storage and compression. The claim was that the gas undergoes molecular changes which turns the mixture into a new kind of fuel which is not just hydrogen and oxygen. They called it waterfuel. This can be looked up in their patent. The patent only talks about a means of storage but not about production with less energy. I did not buy any of that crap and subsequently stayed away from them. My associate was scheduled to have a meeting with Realm on the day of the 2008 explosion. Luckily he had cancelled it.
The assessment of the guest is spot on. Answer #2 (Bunch of bumbling boobs) is correct. There is no conspiracy or sabotage here.
QuoteI know, it is kind of hard to believe that these guys compressed hydroxy gas, but that is precisely what they where doing. I was at their place in Simi Valley in 2006 and met all those people personally, including the ones which are now dead or maimed. We ran a small engine on the gas while we were there and had a small explosion then already. The mixture went off in the air intake without any ignition source whatsoever. It scared the shit out of everyone present, but obviously not enough for the Larson's to stop this folly then and there. At the time they had just started experimenting with compressing the gas hydraulically. The last 2 accidents happened while the gas was transferred from one bottle to another, although the fire department was told a different story. Something about a steam explosion comes to mind . Since the bottles are resin coated carbon fiber, the gas probable ignited though an electrostatic spark caused by the fast flowing gas. After my visit, the Larson's did not like me very much anymore. Apparently I was asking the wrong questions. The company had substantial amounts of money provided by some very well known investors. This is what they lived on.
If you connect a reversed transformer setup generating 2400 VAC that means you are trying to pump 100 times the normal amount of power through the stove heating element. It's ridiculous. The breaker in the power panel will trip right away. If you pretend that there is no breaker, then it depends on the size of the transformer. If it's a small transformer, the transformer will burn up in short order. If it's a large transformer, then the element would burn up in short order.
What you are doing by connecting 10 times the normal voltage to a stove element is basically creating what looks almost like a short circuit relative to the mains power. Whatever you did, you would hear a large humming sound for a short time and then your breaker would trip. The loud humming sound would be your transformer(s) straining under the demand to pass way more power than they were designed to transfer.
You obviously were not capable of doing this thought experiment in your head and you could not envision the consequences of your actions. I doubt that you even thought about the size of the transformer. These things are a clear warning alarm for you to
STAY AWAY from this kind of experimentation. Sorry to be so harsh but your life is the most precious thing of all. Don't get yourself killed like one of those "HHO" fools.
MileHigh
Quote from: MileHigh on 2011.10.24, 23:10:41
Lee,
...
These things are a clear warning alarm for you to STAY AWAY from this kind of experimentation.
...
It's not so bad to do it. The humanity could be grateful. "The Darwin Awards commemorate those who improve our gene pool by removing themselves from it." http://www.darwinawards.com/
^-^
With respect to posted Reply #4,
I don't have a lot of time to make lengthy descriptions, but I will say quickly: I 'slept on it' and decided to deliberately use a length of obviously high voltage co-ax cable that can handle high voltage instead of anything else. Nevertheless, I do realize that whatever I use as a radiator coil won't have a great deal of internal resistance. For that reason, I did also say I'm putting an AC current limiter in parallel with the power input. I might also add a very large wattage, high value resistor (2ea.) in series with both sides of the AC input to limit current further.
I'm looking for particular signal qualities, rather than a lot of power at the output. That's why I look at patents beforehand. The inventor(s) already did the work beforehand. I try and learn from their experience.
People who don't do that can certainly!! end up dead. I have a job coming up in which I'll have more time to experiment and also the attention of someone with practical experience in high voltage electronics.
Is that okay with you MileHigh?
MileHigh said:
"You obviously were not capable of doing this thought experiment in your head and you could not envision the consequences of your actions. I doubt that you even thought about the size of the transformer."
I will accept your constructive criticism, but your insinuation that I have little or no electronic experience is incorrect. I've done R&D electronics in the past before I became a disabled Vet. I admit it was low voltage, but I did it nonetheless.
Time is up on this computer.
--Lee
Quote from: exnihiloest on 2011.10.25, 07:18:14
It's not so bad to do it. The humanity could be grateful. "The Darwin Awards commemorate those who improve our gene pool by removing themselves from it." http://www.darwinawards.com/
^-^
Thanks for the snide comment. C.C It'll serve to remind me not to do that to anyone else unless they do it to me first. :P Especially on my own Bench forum. >:(
I think, as a rather sarcastic response, I'll leave this post and your original post for Peterae and the other Members to see as an object lesson. ;D It don't do these things to other people because I've had them done to me by others and I let, say, "karma" bring it all back to them. O0
I can't be much more pointed than that.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on 2011.10.25, 18:55:58
...
... I did also say I'm putting an AC current limiter in parallel with the power input. I might also add a very large wattage, high value resistor (2ea.) in series with both sides of the AC input to limit current further.
...
--Lee
Please elaborate on the AC Current Limiter which is
parallel connected with the power input. This sounds
like a shunt.
How would it be able to limit input current?
The series resistors which you "might also add" would
be very effective at limiting current, but it is difficult to
see how anything parallel connected would.
More explanation is necessary.
Quote from: Dumped on 2011.10.25, 21:53:07
Please elaborate on the AC Current Limiter which is
parallel connected with the power input. This sounds
like a shunt.
How would it be able to limit input current?
The series resistors which you "might also add" would
be very effective at limiting current, but it is difficult to
see how anything parallel connected would.
More explanation is necessary.
Okay, you ask several questions, and I have an appointment shortly, so I'll try and say this:
I'll be using 'hot' and 'neutral' from the wall and my large resistors will be in series, one on each side, with these. I was thinking in terms of (conservatively), up to half a mega-ohm and 100 or more watts on each side. I'm using at least 10 transformers in series so the voltage across each coil is low enough not to stress the winding turns. And the collective resistance is high enough to offer a sizable electrical impedance to the coils, so as not to cook the turns.
Got to go.
--Lee
Lee:
Thank you for the service that you did for your country.
As Dumped is alluding to, your limiting circuits don't make sense. An "AC current limiter" doesn't make sense. "I might also add a very large wattage, high value resistor (2ea.) in series with both sides of the AC input to limit current further" doesn't really make sense.
If an average heating element for an oven is 2.5 kilowatts, then you were talking about theoretically pumping 25 kilowatts of power through the heating element, which is crazy.
You are looking at a scenario of deciding what "blows up" first, the transformer, the "power limiter" or the heating element.
"I'm looking for particular signal qualities, rather than a lot of power at the output."
What qualities? With what? A scope? An RF meter? Your excitation is 60 Hz, so nothing at all will be radiated.
You may have had some experience with electronics and I haven't really paid much attention to your technical discussions. But just like a professional musician can tell when someone really doesn't know how to play when they sound like they can play to an untrained ear, I can sometimes read less than 10 sentences from someone and know that they don't know much about electronics with a high degree of confidence.
"I believe the coil will act like a helical receiving antenna as it output radiates the inputted 2400 V" is borderline nonsense talk and you should restrict yourself to playing with a regular bench power supply and a scope and a breadboard. Have fun and play safe but don't pretend that you are going to be a microwave engineer with a 60 Hz signal running through an oven element.
I know my postings have some "shock" value but you better off being shocked by me than shocked and killed by a backwards-connected 12-volt transformer. This warning is generic because I know there are a lot of yahoos out there playing with things like neon sign transformers. Let's get really real for a second: Most people that play with neon sign transformers haven't a clue what they are doing. They set up a spark gap and light a bunch of CFLs or whatever. It's nothing more than "electronics sandbox play" and the analogy to that is giving a bunch of three-year-olds in a real sandbox switchblades to play with along with their shovels.
Have fun and get up the learning curve but don't make the mistake of thinking that you can just play with 2400 VAC. You don't have a single legitimate reason to do that as far as I can see.
MileHigh
On that "HHO" topic I linked to:
Think about this: If you electrolyze water the safest way to so that is with DC current. That way you can collect your hydrogen gas and your oxygen gas separately and store them. Then you can combine them later for combustion and the return back to water.
Note that separately stored compressed hydrogen gas and compressed oxygen gas in cylinders are still dangerous and need to be treated with respect.
Then you have the "HHO" morons that were trying to compress 2H2 + O2 gas into a gas storage cylinder. That is a totally insane thing to do. That is basically creating something like a nitroglycerine bomb, just itching to explode the instant the hydrogen reacts with the oxygen, for whatever reason.
How can you work in the "HHO" field for years, and want to do something as totally insane as that? It's unbelievable and they paid with a life and torn off limbs for their stupidity.
MileHigh
Quote from: MileHigh on 2011.10.25, 22:36:24
Have fun and get up the learning curve but don't make the mistake of thinking that you can just play with 2400 VAC. You don't have a single legitimate reason to do that as far as I can see.
Thanks for the invite and warning. It got me thinking---and I lower myself to admit it---there are lower voltage alternatives to what I'm researching. (I may start a thread on the subject to archive and chronicle my efforts in the likes of thought experiments.)
To wit:
http://www.google.com/patents?id=cOY2AAAAEBAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=patent:4197851&hl=en&ei=_EKoTrz0KovMiQKRyK2PDw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAA
(This requires 50 volts or less, but it does require an wide spectrum oscillator. There are a noticeably large number of patents involving what amounts to successors of the work of Royal Rife. Probably because there's money to be made in the field of medical curative and diagnostic therapy. If the devices are as useless as the AMA maintains they are, how can one obtain a patent for a useless device?)
Uh, MH, you Genius, you: I've decided to focus on this lower voltage approach rather than an---admittedly---riskier higher voltage route. And I have you to thank for it. Oh, does this sound like sarcasm? Hey, it might just be that! At least I'm not writing profanity.
Now, I'm not going to get into describing what I thought of the rest of your post. It tends to piss me off every time I read it. I muse? Maybe it's because you act like a troll crossed with a schmuck on the dimensional scale of Godzilla and Gargantua combined? You were banned once before and now I see why.
I pondering sending a PM to Peterae and gain his advice on what to do about hecklers like you. Unless Peterae reads this himself?
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on 2011.10.26, 17:48:33
Thanks for the invite and warning. It got me thinking---and I lower myself to admit it---there are lower voltage alternatives to what I'm researching. (I may start a thread on the subject to archive and chronicle my efforts in the likes of thought experiments.)
[Modified to show Hyperlink]
To wit:
Link (http://www.google.com/patents?id=cOY2AAAAEBAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=patent:4197851&hl=en&ei=_EKoTrz0KovMiQKRyK2PDw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAA)
...
--Lee
Often page link URLs can be very long.
To enable the clickable link without showing
all of the very long URL use the Hyperlink
function. It's the button which looks like a
globe just to the right of the Adobe PDF button
in the Post Reply window.
It's not automatic and requires just a little
manual insertion, but it's easy and a very
useful skill.
There should be a tutorial on how to use the
various features somewhere in this forum...
Here it is. (http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?action=help;page=post#reply)
Just scroll down to about the middle of the page
where you see:
References______________________________________
SMF Bulletin Board CodeThe buttons shown belong to the SMF default theme and may differ from forum to forum.
[Examples of how to use each button provided in table.]
As to posted Reply #13,
Very good, Dumped. I had no idea that that could be done. I do occasionally upload lengthy 'Web link addresses, as other threads in this forum would show. Thanks and I'll try to keep it in mind; and I can PM a Moderator with questions if I have them.
--Lee
Quote from: Dumped on 2011.10.26, 19:52:56
Often page link URLs can be very long.
To enable the clickable link without showing
all of the very long URL use the Hyperlink
function. It's the button which looks like a
globe just to the right of the Adobe PDF button
in the Post Reply window.
It's not automatic and requires just a little
manual insertion, but it's easy and a very
useful skill.
There should be a tutorial on how to use the
various features somewhere in this forum...
Here it is. (http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?action=help;page=post#reply)
Just scroll down to about the middle of the page
where you see:
References
______________________________________
SMF Bulletin Board Code
The buttons shown belong to the SMF default theme and may differ from forum to forum.
[Examples of how to use each button provided in table.]
Okay, I copied-and-pasted the whole post, as seen on this screen, to a Windows Word file and printed off a hard copy as an actual example. That printed page showed the arguments of the entire statement as copied from another 'Web site. For good measure, I printed off Pg. 6 of the tutorial as well to refer to.
I'll start practicing with this shortly. Thanks.
--Lee
Lee:
Sorry to offend you and I am not out to save the wold. I rattled your cage on purpose and it seems to have worked.
You know the case of the little Chinese girl that was run over in the street and something like 17 people walked by and did nothing? What if you got electrocuted and died and none of the people that read your posting said anything? Let's say that there were about a dozen people that read your posting that were qualified enough to know that you were potentially putting yourself in serious danger because you were clearly not qualified to be playing with high voltage. Isn't there a parallel there?
I don't know why people that wouldn't dare try to work as a Sous-chef in a French restaurant because they know beforehand that they know nothing about French cuisine and are not qualified have no problem plunging into electronics like a bull in a China shop. Sometimes they are even proud that they know next to nothing because that doesn't "encumber them." I just don't get it.
The hippy-dippy "I'm Ok - You're Ok" mentality where nobody is wrong and everybody's ideas might have merit when it comes these forums is in reality pure crap. Electronic circuits do exactly what they are supposed to do and if you don't understand what they are doing you would think that you would take it upon yourself to learn more. That's a generic "you." The technical points that I said to you, although worded somewhat harshly, are absolutely true.
I am more than happy to let the shiny people free-for-all hum along and not say much. But I hate to see people put themselves in real danger. And I didn't attack you as a person, I attacked your ideas. I know that's a fine line sometimes but there was some intentional exaggeration because the intended audience is nearly everyone around here and I was looking for a bigger splash.
MileHigh
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on 2011.10.26, 17:48:33
Thanks for the invite and warning. It got me thinking---and I lower myself to admit it---there are lower voltage alternatives to what I'm researching. (I may start a thread on the subject to archive and chronicle my efforts in the likes of thought experiments.)
Okay, Almighty One, MileHigh the Genius to the greatest level, I'm making good on my intention, but rather than start a new thread, I'll just post these:
#4,802,470
#4,674,481
#4,292,980
#4,094,322
#4,028,518
#3,760,148
#2,130,758
#765,470
Important:This borrowed computer doesn't allow copying of URL's to the browser address bar. I'll have to add those later with abbreviating of the addresses by the OUR.com's URL function.
Some of these inventions weren't originally designed to be therapeutic. They were designed to emit electromagnetic waves.
--Lee
MileHigh said:
QuoteSorry to offend you and I am not out to save the wold. I rattled your cage on purpose and it seems to have worked.
Okay, But there should have been some underlying reason that you did it, right? Mind letting me, the Members and the regular viewing public in on it? I can have more than one potential answer, so how you respond will dictate what I write. Go ahead, be specific.
Quote
I know that's a fine line sometimes but there was some intentional exaggeration because the intended audience is nearly everyone around here and I was looking for a bigger splash.
Right, you apparently did that. Why so? What motivates you to try and create a "splash", as you put it? Keep in mind this is my Bench and I don't try and go out of my way to do what you're doing to me, to other people here at OUR.com. Why do you?
Finally, I believe,
(??) one of the other Members either here at OUR.com or at OU.com has asked you, as an observation: What do you do around here? You don't have a Bench like I do; why not? Where is your demonstrable expertise?
Upload a project. With references, if you like. Try and justify what you're doing instead of deriding what I'm doing---whether you think it's relevant to you and your notions of acceptability or not.
I readily admit I'm not experienced on up-to-date electronic fields, so I'm not saying I'm 'all-fired' knowledgable, but you write with a know-it-all attitude, especially where my personal experience and motivations lie. Can you defend your actions on someone else's Forum(mine) and piss off the Moderator(me) and expect not to be asked to explain yourself?
Since we're off topic here, I'll allow that to continue to clear this issue up. Anyone else who can comment is urged to do so, as they see fit.
--Lee
Lee:
I think my previous postings covered everything. I made technical points to you and I suggest that you follow-up instead of ignoring them. I have observed that pattern often, where when you point out a huge flaw in the logic for some proposition and the participants in the thread pretend to ignore it and carry on. However, in your case there was real danger. So why not discuss the flaws in your high-voltage setup with your peers just as an academic exercise and learn something in the process?
MileHigh
Lee:
Why not post a schematic of what you intend to do. Scratch it on a piece of paper and scan it in if you don't have a simple drawing program.
State what your expected results are with the device, state your objectives.
Then we can intelligently comment on what you are attempting to do.
There is too much lost in the rhetoric, and it is hard to convey a circuit diagram with words.
Clearly annotate your scratched up drawing.
We can then approach it with a mindset towards engineering the result you desire.
Quote from: ION on 2011.10.30, 16:16:00
Lee:
Why not post a schematic of what you intend to do. Scratch it on a piece of paper and scan it in if you don't have a simple drawing program.
I tried that once on OU.com and I couldn't get the software to work the way it was written to work on a borrowed computed, that's why. That's the short answer.
A longer, rather more tenuous answer(necessarily), I've been doing non-public, personal research for a long time in preparation for a job I'll take shortly. Classified research and "going dark" is in the works. Only recently have I been allowed to post
anything since "going dark" limits what I can say on
any potentially future work. And I'm only doing basic stuff and then describing what I did. I'll do it professionally shortly. That's why I do, what I do. It's more than you deserve. It's also all you're getting so don't ask for more than the basics as I've written them in my threads.
Now, Wise Guy, You didn't answer my question. Where's your great research? Mine's not great, just basic; I'm happy with that. Prove you're doing something so that I don't have to think you're an arrogant crackpot, that got banned the last time you were here. Gimme an answer.
--Lee
There is no litmus test that says you have to be doing research, just like there is no litmus test that says you have to have a basic knowledge of electronics. I have a technical background. If you want me to do something why not take myself and Ion's suggestion and post your circuit and then people can have a discussion.
From Lee:
QuoteIt's more than you deserve. It's also all you're getting so don't ask for more than the basics as I've written them in my threads.
This is a strange sentiment considering the title of your thread.
QuoteRe: Lakhovsky MWO prototype; with uploaded schematics and tests, as time permits.
I won't be holding my breath.
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This is a strange sentiment considering the title of your thread.
Ion,
I was writing to MileHigh only. I thinks he's an insulting prick. Now I have firsthand experience.
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I won't be holding my breath.
Okay...if you want to. I drew a schematic in freehand with explanatory notes. If I need to, I can redo it in ink without the notes for clarity. I'll have to try and have it transferred to something like Windows Word, since I don't have my own computer that has a version of PDF which allows unique file creation.
I'll then try and upload it as an attachment. That should work. Is that something acceptable?
--Lee
Everybody's view is tanted by the lack of patience in their own understanding.
The lack of specific detail is sometimes circumvented by specific questions too soon or asked sternly. Stems from how we were treated as children dependant on those we held respect for or compelled to pay attention to. Right or wrong...
Quote from: giantkiller on 2011.10.31, 16:37:06
Everybody's view is tanted by the lack of patience in their own understanding.
The lack of specific detail is sometimes circumvented by specific questions too soon or asked sternly. Stems from how we were treated as children dependant on those we held respect for or compelled to pay attention to. Right or wrong...
Not much time on this computer, GiantKiller,
But you're right. I can get along with you in that regard. I have Asperger's Syndrome and was teased and insulted in school for a helluva long time. I could have put my younger brother in the hospital because of his teasing. My Mom had to warn him before it was too late. He took the advice.
--Lee
GK: Thanks for the psychological analysis. That's one way of looking at it. There are other ways also.
Lee: take your time, I'm just trying to get a little clarity and be helpful if I can. It's your thread and you have the right to manage it however you see fit.
Quote from: ION on 2011.10.31, 16:59:01
Lee: take your time, I'm just trying to get a little clarity and be helpful if I can. It's your thread and you have the right to manage it however you see fit.
Alright, it's just I get pissed after being occasionally 'poked in the ribs just to see me jump' since I was about 6 or 7 yrs old. You are actually are a Moderator, but I was considering deleting some of MileHigh's more offensive remarks---obviously on this Bench Forum only. You and the other Moderators have control of the whole board if you want.
I'll PM Peterae beforehand if I make a definite decision.
--Lee
Lee:
I would welcome seeing your attachment. I don't pretend to be perfect or know it all. I recall an example where someone suggested to a high-profile Muller motor investigator to try connecting an Avramenko setup to the generator coil output. He got nothing from that test but to be honest it's a ridiculous test to do. In an ideal world both of them should have known that, they have been talking Avramenko plugs and playing with them for years. It's frustrating because that means that they still don't understand the basic operating principle. But that wasn't a test that you can get killed doing. In my mind I felt like scolding them, feeling frustrated about how much more interesting things could be around the forums if people got up the learning curve. But of course that's relative to my own perspective, and there is a ton of material to cover.
I am sure everybody has felt that feeling like "Why is it that I have to carry the weight of the world on my shoulders, how come I always have to be the bigger person?" Sometimes the forums feel like that. People make mistakes or repeated mistakes or can't be bothered to Google something and they always have to be treated with kid gloves. That is a stress in itself that can wear away at your psyche too.
It's ironic that there is an "exception class" also. Lutec for example, most people accept that they are scammers and nobody bats an eyelash if they are gratuitously bashed. Same thing for the Witts boys.
If you end up learning something then don't be shy and you can say it. That's another thing that can wear away at your psyche. You try to engage someone and you teach them something or you point out a mistake and the response is silence. It's all part of a sense that people learning stuff on the forums are to be treated with kid gloves. You can't ever be a little bit tough with them to drive a point home, that's unacceptable, and you have to treat them with kid gloves and be sensitive to their sensitivities if they go mute on you.
All that being said, it is your thread to run as you see fit and I am all talked out on the psychobabble side of things. I hope that can upload your document soon and we can see what you are trying to accomplish. It would be helpful if you gave a description of how the circuit is supposed to function.
MileHigh
Here is a schematic that was taken from an original Lakhovsky MWO. If you expect the same results as he was getting, you need to use the same machine or at least a replication and not a guess or shortcut of what he was using.
If you or anyone is seriously concidering building a MWO replication, a lot of information and technical data of the original machines can be found at http://users.skynet.be/Lakhovsky/index.htm
I'm going to lunch shortly, but in response to Reply #29,
To be bluntly honest, you, MileHigh, remind me of WilbyInebirated at OU.com. Same modus operandi. I mostly quit posting on the site with the exception of my "I see a disaster coming..." thread. I'm also doing preparatory research for my upcoming job, and that takes up more of my time. But for you to be as insinuating as you can sometimes, is why you were banned last time?
Oh, and you still didn't answer my question: Why do you do it? You want some 'shock value?' Why is that?
I know a woman, with whom I have a good friendship, but who will also stand up to a man---no matter how big---and tell him what she thinks of his (bad) attitude, even if she's right. That could get her killed in the slum where we live. Just for an opinion to you as you gave to me: You can easily piss a few people off. If they were ever! in your neighborhood, that would be a really bad idea!
You can continue to do as you've done, but I try not to act like a Marine drill instructor---which is how you can come off sounding in your words, sometimes.
My relationship with my friend is something I'll merely keep to myself henceforth. I used her as an example of how I wouldn't act agressively and verbally abrupt. You can be, IMO.
I'll try and put up a data-uploaded copy of that schematic later when I have more time.
--Lee
Lee:
Looking forward to the schematic. I am not a Wilby and your statements are getting a bit out of hand so let's move on.
To answer your question with something new: Your setup was dangerous, and someone could have gotten badly hurt. All of us want to avoid having people doing dangerous experiments. We all have an implicit responsibility to try to do that.
MileHigh
Quote from: MrMag on 2011.10.31, 18:01:23
Here is a schematic that was taken from an original Lakhovsky MWO. If you expect the same results as he was getting, you need to use the same machine or at least a replication and not a guess or shortcut of what he was using.
Honestly, to make it quicker for you, look at the schematic, and you'll see practically the same thing I've drawn in my diagram. The major differences: I'm using two sets of step up transformers, a Radio Shack xenon tube for a medium voltage (3600-4800 V) spark gap before---to the left of---the ultra-high voltage transformer, and my radiator will be a solid wire instead of two sets of Lakhovsky coil arcs.
Lakhovsky coils radiate tremendously in EMI and I was thinking of reducing that with a solid wire. That's the reason for the large resistors I said I had and they'll be located immediately to the left of the input inductors. Think of a voltage divider, which in hindsight would work just as well as a plain resistor, and it'll be much more controllable in precise resistance value as well. I'll redraw the schematic with that in mind. I'm not going into the complication and expense of a timer and intensity setting, although that's a neat trick in a commercial application.
The thing is, I don't remember whether or not a spiral coil will radiate much EMI or not. There was a schematic on OU.com that featuring an antenna going to a spiral and then to a step-down transformer/capacitor/diode/battery setup. The author of the posted reply warned that the circuit radiated 'strongly' with EMI and suggested the thing be contained in a Faraday Cage. Otherwise, the Feds would come looking for the device for blitzing the airwaves with static.
MileHigh, allow me to ask for your opinion? Will a solid wire instead of Lakhovsky radiator arcs radiate EMI the same way as Lakhovsky's coil?
In closing, it occurs to me that you deliberately try and get a reaction from your caustic remarks? Okay, I got that inadvertently. My new job will be 1/2 consultant and 1/2 problem solver or maybe a "fireman" to put out others people's problem fires. And I'm being hired for my intelligence and independence.
I'm supposed to get people to think. If I don't, I'm not doing my job correctly. By that measure, I succeeded here without trying. This is now the longest thread in this Bench Forum and it just happened that way.
--Lee
Lee:
QuoteWill a solid wire instead of Lakhovsky radiator arcs radiate EMI the same way as Lakhovsky's coil?
It's too soon to be able to answer your question and the question is too vague. Seeing your schematic will help. I can only give you a general response with respect to antenna radiation properties when that time comes, perhaps Ion or Poynt could respond in more detail if they are so inclined.
MileHigh
Lee,
I'm not sure why great detail is needed to discuss these devices. After all, they are all just variations on what are known as 'Tesla coils'.
"Will a solid wire instead of Lakhovsky radiator arcs radiate EMI the same way as Lakhovsky's coil?"
Provided your mention of 'solid wire' refers to a piece of wire or a coil with fewer turns...... the answer would be 'no'.
The output coil on these devices is not only the radiating or antenna part but a major contributor to the operation of the spark gap. That spark gap is the source of all those high frequency energies. I doubt there will be much spark without a fair amount of inductance where the coil should be.
Personally, I consider the therapeutic use of these systems to be a farce. To each his own :)
However, there are some interesting points about these. One is the capacitance between windings and coils. Usually, this isn't considered. Another is the fact that these are mini spark gap transmitters. When these were the rage radio was still seen as magic by many.
This past September I had the chance to see an original and working system. It was offered for sale at a local hamfest. The price was too high >:( The demonstration included looking at the transmitted signal with a spectrum analyzer. What a mess!
The EMI radiated was seen from under 100kHz to 2gHz (the limits of the equipment) :o
When you have it working keep an eye out for the FCC mobile and the local constabulary ;)
I agree with WW here.
The Lakhovsky device includes a spark gap which generates the broad spectrum EMI and an antenna system designed with a number of different length radiators that will resonate and radiate the energy at different frequencies.
A spiral copper wire will not produce the same effect. It's inductance will filter the higher components.
Best to investigate broad spectrum effects on human tissue before subjecting yourself to such a device.
I have a friend that bought one of the newer designs on the market for several thousand dollars, but never did any scholarly research into the subject.
What can I say?
WaveWatcher,
I'll address some of your comments while I'm here and have the time. I'm getting ready to research and rewrite some information I had on a lower priority basis for future presentation to supervisors. This will take up more of my time in the next few weeks.
Quote from: WaveWatcher on 2011.11.01, 10:14:21
Lee,
I'm not sure why great detail is needed to discuss these devices. After all, they are all just variations on what are known as 'Tesla coils'.
Right, the Tesla coil is the underlying basis of the Lakhovsky coil radiator.
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"Will a solid wire instead of Lakhovsky radiator arcs radiate EMI the same way as Lakhovsky's coil?" ... Provided your mention of 'solid wire' refers to a piece of wire or a coil with fewer turns...... the answer would be 'no'. ... The output coil on these devices is not only the radiating or antenna part but a major contributor to the operation of the spark gap. ... That spark gap is the source of all those high frequency energies.
Yes, I agree with that. No argument.
Okay, a couple of questions to ponder: 1) The highly charged Lakhovsky coil has mutual capacitance between coils closely enough spaced, right? Then, arcs between the cut-out sections will cause a lot of EMI without a proper spark gap to the right side of a schematic, coming off the step-up transformer as in a typical Tesla coil, right?
2) Assuming a contained spark gap from a xenon tube or a burned-out light bulb works as well as in a Tesla coil, do you think from your experience, that a wider-spaced set of coil arcs in a Lakhovsky coil would work as well as a more conventional coil?
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I doubt there will be much spark without a fair amount of inductance where the coil should be.
I didn't know that inductance, by itself, had a part in spark gap arc formation. Is that what you mean?
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Personally, I consider the therapeutic use of these systems to be a farce. To each his own :)
Yes, you're right, but then Lakhovsky or coworkers/competitors(?) did work that they say helped people's illnesses: http://www.rexresearch.com/lakhov/lakhusps.htm
That was what I was thinking of.
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This past September I had the chance to see an original and working system. It was offered for sale at a local hamfest. The price was too high >:( The demonstration included looking at the transmitted signal with a spectrum analyzer. What a mess!
The EMI radiated was seen from under 100kHz to 2gHz (the limits of the equipment) :o
And I agree. Spark gaps can be used to ignite gas stove burners (my Dad had such a stove), and they just make a popping or snapping sound for a few seconds at most.
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When you have it working keep an eye out for the FCC mobile and the local constabulary ;)
Yep, that's right. Spark gaps are illegal in the US and quite possibly in European countries as well. They drown out the commercial radio spectrum with static. Wide sections of it. I said I was getting a job. I think eventually have a chance to work in an environment where radio reception is attenuated. A steel frame building, for instance. In the basement. In a lab. I
will indeed be better prepared by knowledgeable workers with more experience that I have before I begin.
--Lee
I had a big oops moment after I blew out my cable box with an EMI/EMP blast. Just a small click and then the wife yelled 'The internet is down!'.
No wonder Tesla stayed single, lol.
Later that day the Cable guy went next store first before he came to our house. Oops...
When he came to our house I asked what went wrong(sheepishly)...
He asked 'Did we have a lightning strike in the area, didn't see any storms or clouds tho'?
I replied 'Why no.'
He stated 'Strange. The neighbor's box failed mysteriously also.'
I asked 'Maybe bombcast has a grounding problem...'
giantkiller,
For your reply #38, this thread, I'd say: What were you doing to cause an EMi/EMP event like that? Keep in mind there was an article back in the 70's, I believe, in "Mechanics Illustrated" or "Popular Science" (when they were still publishing), that Russian capacitor-based EMP weapons on rocket payloads would still destroy American electronics on even hardened nuclear silos underground in Nebraska.
Take a look at this. (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread59555/pg1)
Was it anything remotely like that? Maybe a discharge to a coil to ground---which is what the first question implied, but not as a deliberate weapon made by you? A powerful arc that made the 'click'?
--Lee
It was a 6" stranded 16awg in a 3/4 circle with 30awg 1inch wrappings on each end. I believe with 100v fet pulses. Wattsup had showed these.
My last exclamation was 'How do I test again and for what purpose?'.
I can deal with bombcast, but my wife?
This test showed me very high excitation levels regardless of the copper mass.
I also have top secret aircraft test filghts around my house. Now how do I answer the door? I have had to take SMs advice of 'better tests, not bigger tests'. I have a Faraday cage. But do I want to find out if it works?
Knock, knock.
My bench and inventory have too many strange devices to fake a response.
'Well we see [Mr. I-like-to-blow-things-up] can you please explain the proper use a spark gap or do you come with us and disappear?
Quote from: giantkiller on 2011.11.01, 19:37:55
It was a 6" stranded 16awg in a 3/4 circle with 30awg 1inch wrappings on each end. I believe with 100v fet pulses. Wattsup had showed these.
My last exclamation was 'How do I test again and for what purpose?'.
I have an appointment shortly, so I'll just ask: You were energizing the 30ga. ends? With what I think is only
one stranded wire in an arc?
Well, if so, that's why I should be careful. Even with low voltage, the feds can triangulate a EMP transmission that powerful enough. You're right about the 'knock, knock.'
They won't be happy
at all.--Lee
But let me add this and not mess up the thread:
I had the comp wave generation scheme(that SM mentioned) of the dual stranded, dulse pulse protocol prior to that but was looking for more event. At the time I thought I needed it. But the comp wave generation relies on almost no current, just the rise time impulse of 2 interjecting pulses. These are before the fields just as waves. Before full conduction can occur.
Now I have 4 builds based on this generation.
Its like this:
When firing a spark gap into a coil the coil responds in ways that are normally not needed in standard electronics. This is why we are here. But we want the same thing that happens on the leading edge of the field expansion process. It is the alignment pressure that occurs at the edge of the field. This is the primary action before the secondary action of the conduction power takes hold. So it doesnt have to be big just effective. The comp wave generation does this. We can smack reality(Aether) so fast that is becomes hard. Same as a bellyflop on water. You don't sink till you slow down.
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on 2011.11.01, 18:10:26
1) The highly charged Lakhovsky coil has mutual capacitance between coils closely enough spaced, right? Then, arcs between the cut-out sections will cause a lot of EMI without a proper spark gap to the right side of a schematic, coming off the step-up transformer as in a typical Tesla coil, right?
Any arc-over is another source of EMI. Without the intended spark gap to the right of the xfmr there will be little HV generated. That spark gap is the 'switch' in the oscillator part of the circuit. I didn't think the final output coils (the antenna portions) were supposed to be close to each other, anyway.
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2) Assuming a contained spark gap from a xenon tube or a burned-out light bulb works as well as in a Tesla coil, do you think from your experience, that a wider-spaced set of coil arcs in a Lakhovsky coil would work as well as a more conventional coil?I didn't know that inductance, by itself, had a part in spark gap arc formation. Is that what you mean?
The inductance is one half of the energy storage and the voltage boost part of the circuit. You'll have to experiment to answer most of that question. Too many variables here to provide definite answers. Just use safety glasses and reasonable care. If you are using a microwave oven transformer your chances for problems are increased dramatically. If you don't see the dangers of that you should use a different (much weaker) voltage source to start with. A MOT easily provides enough energy to kill or maim you or anyone nearby.
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Yes, you're right, but then Lakhovsky or coworkers/competitors(?) did work that they say helped people's illnesses: http://www.rexresearch.com/lakhov/lakhusps.htm
That was what I was thinking of.And I agree.
The only effects I've realized with similar RF use are RF burns, headaches and white spots in my vision. I could never see any benefit from such exposure.
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Spark gaps can be used to ignite gas stove burners (my Dad had such a stove), and they just make a popping or snapping sound for a few seconds at most.Yep, that's right. Spark gaps are illegal in the US and quite possibly in European countries as well. They drown out the commercial radio spectrum with static. Wide sections of it. I said I was getting a job. I think eventually have a chance to work in an environment where radio reception is attenuated. A steel frame building, for instance. In the basement. In a lab. I will indeed be better prepared by knowledgeable workers with more experience that I have before I begin.
--Lee
I wish you luck on that new job. It maybe a good idea to leave the EMI generators at home. I have a little experience with that issue ;)
My work requires a certain amount of concentration. When I was working as part of a group one of my partners had a thing for certain types of music - of which I hated >:(
After pleading with him for a few months to kill the racket I corrected the problem. They couldn't figure out why FM & AM reception just quit inside the building. Their CD and MP3 players wouldn't work either. Sometimes they would just quite working permanently. Go figure? C.C
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GK,
I've said it before.... sometimes you worry me.
This hobby can be like a drug. Excessive and repeated use can cause some real problems.
I didn't acquire my extreme good looks without all the HV, magnetic and RF exposure. Maybe it is time for a little moderation on our usage?
Need I remind you that the sharper transition also creates more broad garbage signals?
Quote from: WaveWatcher on 2011.11.02, 09:58:39
Any arc-over is another source of EMI. Without the intended spark gap to the right of the xfmr there will be little HV generated. That spark gap is the 'switch' in the oscillator part of the circuit. I didn't think the final output coils (the antenna portions) were supposed to be close to each other, anyway.
giantkiller knocked out his Internet and his neighbor's as well with one slight spark. I hadn't asked him yet: Were the 30ga. wire turned directly connected to the 16ga. arc or were they influenced by mere inductive coupling?
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The inductance is one half of the energy storage and the voltage boost part of the circuit. You'll have to experiment to answer most of that question. Too many variables here to provide definite answers. Just use safety glasses and reasonable care. If you are using a microwave oven transformer your chances for problems are increased dramatically. If you don't see the dangers of that you should use a different (much weaker) voltage source to start with. A MOT easily provides enough energy to kill or maim you or anyone nearby.
MOT's and TV CRT transformers were widely available after the U.S. went digital in TV transmissions. But, these transformers are designed to be soldered to PC boards and lengthening output leads with soldered extensions is a hassle nowadays.
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The only effects I've realized with similar RF use are RF burns, headaches and white spots in my vision. I could never see any benefit from such exposure.
Commercial sellers of Lakhovsky systems indicate
not to use the device for a long time, or on a high power setting for a long time. Besides, the Tesla coil puts out the same EMI with its spark gap, doesn't it? Tesla
didn't suffer like you did, right? Why is that?
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I wish you luck on that new job. It maybe a good idea to leave the EMI generators at home. I have a little experience with that issue ;)
My work requires a certain amount of concentration. When I was working as part of a group one of my partners had a thing for certain types of music - of which I hated >:(
After pleading with him for a few months to kill the racket I corrected the problem. They couldn't figure out why FM & AM reception just quit inside the building. Their CD and MP3 players wouldn't work either. Sometimes they would just quite working permanently. Go figure? C.C
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Well, you hid an EMI transmitter in the building? With the construction of steel 'I'-beam frames throughout every floor, thus acting like a Faraday cage inside the building only? How did you hide it so that someone wouldn't detect it and disable the thing? Oh, careful, they can see this post themselves, you know. :o :P :-X
GK,
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I didn't acquire my extreme good looks without all the HV, magnetic and RF exposure. Maybe it is time for a little moderation on our usage?
How do you mean? A double negative (e.g.,"didn't" & "without") often implies a positive, reverse psychology response. As I said, Tesla did work around his coils for years and was healthy.
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Need I remind you that the sharper transition also creates more broad garbage signals?
Okay, this may answer my question above as to how a "slight spark" can kill the electronics in an Internet connection. I hadn't thought of it, though.
--Lee
Lee:
Assuming that your circuit is a variation on a Tesla coil setup then I will assume that you are not putting the output of your high-voltage transformer across the oven heating element. By the same token the excitation is not 60 Hz, you are just using the 60 HZ AC to trigger a different excitation with lots of high frequency content. Those two things change everything and you likely won't have any risk of exploding resistors, transformers, or heating elements. The setup of course could still be dangerous due to the presence of high voltage.
This is an example of two things, 1) there is a real "lingo" for discussing electronics but it's rare that you see it on the forums, 2) schematic, schematic, schematic.
If you don't possess the technical lingo then the schematic becomes even more important than it already is.
A building can act like a Farady cage but it's all wavelength and geometry dependent. Same thing for any type of transmitting antenna scheme, it's all wavelength and geometry dependent. To get a sense of all that stuff, just look at different polar and other plots for transmitting antenna schemes for radio and TV antennas. You can also look at reception patterns for a given antenna. No matter what you build, without sophisticated sensing equipment and wave pattern plotting software, an amateur would not likely be able to have a sense of what the results would be like. Someone with a lot of experience in this field would likely have a sense of what the results would be like.
Your best simple tool for an investigation is to use a transistor radio sent on the AM band and move it around the antenna setup. It's reasonable to assume that when you are within a few meters of the setup you will hear "ticks" at 60 Hz in pretty much any direction. If there is a true Tesla-coil-like setup then I would assume that you would also sense the short pulses of near-field high-voltage gradients in the immediate vicinity of the device.
I looked at some Lakhovsky coil clips on YouTube and what may have been interesting and uplifting for you was uncomfortable and almost painful for me. Every few sentences there is an "inflection point" that's painful to hear for me. Such is life.
In a nutshell, it sounds like siting next to an antenna for this setup would be akin to sitting next to 1000 transmitting cell phones. I will assume that there were no double-blind testing trials and associated research papers done for this stuff. I am assuming any evidence is all anecdotal.
MileHigh
Giantkiller:
QuoteWe can smack reality(Aether) so fast that is becomes hard. Same as a bellyflop on water. You don't sink till you slow down.
In pulsed laser research they can create pulses of light that are so short (femtoseconds (?)) that they call it a "pancake" of light. That's because it's a thin circular-disk-shaped pulse of light traveling along like a well aimed custard pie in flight about to hit somebody in the face.
Your belly-flop electromagnetic fantasy inspired me to hit you with the pancake reality! lol
MileHigh
Lee,
My double negative was to convey my definite lack of good looks ;)
Wasn't Tesla known in his later years as doing everything in three's and having a multitude of phobias? I think his exposure may have been more than beneficial.
As far as my little battery powered interference device.... all I can say is try googling 'EW', 'ECM' and 'ECCM'. I have substantial experience in that field. It was still running a few months after I left that place. Later, a friend asked where it was hidden because they never found it. I didn't admit to it and never heard about it again.
A pro would be able to locate it once he realized the signal nulled completely out at varying locations throughout the day. It was fun to watch a Ham radio enthusiast waste time looking for it with his fox hunting gear C.C
The parts cost was about $20. Most of that was invested in the battery. That might equate to about a hundred today. Hmmm.... I suppose today I could make it much smaller than the tuna tin I used for the enclosure then. It may be a good thing that I can ban such noise from my offices today :)
Oh well, there are more fun things in life. Experimenting and learning more can be great fun.
From Lee:
QuoteMOT's and TV CRT transformers were widely available after the U.S. went digital in TV transmissions. But, these transformers are designed to be soldered to PC boards and lengthening output leads with soldered extensions is a hassle nowadays.
This statement caused a big red light to flash on my biocomputer. Does not compute. How do you arrive at this?
I have ripped apart a lot of microwave ovens and never saw the massive transformer soldered to the PC board. What does this have to do with digital transmission of TV signals.
I regularly rip apart older TV's for parts, and carefully unsolder the HV transformer. Soldering wires to it is no problem.
CRT HV transformers are certainly soldered to the PC boards, but what does that have to do with digital TV transmission, except that older TV's can be found in the trash and are widely available? But microwave ovens?
Please clarify as your quote seems to be missing vital information.
Quote from: ION on 2011.11.03, 13:55:49
From Lee:
This statement caused a big red light to flash on my biocomputer. Does not compute. How do you arrive at this?
I have ripped apart a lot of microwave ovens and never saw the massive transformer soldered to the PC board. What does this have to do with digital transmission of TV signals.
I regularly rip apart older TV's for parts, and carefully unsolder the HV transformer. Soldering wires to it is no problem.
CRT HV transformers are certainly soldered to the PC boards, but what does that have to do with digital TV transmission, except that older TV's can be found in the trash and are widely available? But microwave ovens?
Descriptive MOT application file page...here. (http://www.kronjaeger.com/hv/hv/src/mot/index.html)
Spare MOT's on mail order...here. (http://www.repairclinic.com/Microwave-Transformer-Parts)
Quote...CRT HV transformers are certainly soldered to the PC boards, but what does that have to do with digital TV transmission, except that older TV's can be found in the trash and are widely available? But microwave ovens?
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Please clarify as your quote seems to be missing vital information.
Okay, I only
assumed Microwave ovens had MOT's soldered to any PD board they possess, if any had them. I admit I spoke from an assumption. I do know TV's can have low voltage terminals soldered to PC boards, since I've seen torn-apart TV's on the street.
You were correct.
Please take note:My schematic is finished, but I'll get to trying to upload it later because I need to run around town and pay bills, among other business. I guess there's no hurry, since there's two places I can go and they're quite a ways apart.
I'll be moving at the end of the month, and this will concern me with greater attention up until then. Until then, this is information for the therapeutic Lakhovsky coil:
http://www.copperhealth.com/print_coil_instructions.pdf
Building a MWO with a 555 incorporated into the circuit(Internet page still being constructed)...here. (http://www.zephyrtechnology.com/TESLA_Technology_/tesla_technology_.html)
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on 2011.11.03, 21:50:54
Descriptive MOT application file page...here. (http://www.kronjaeger.com/hv/hv/src/mot/index.html)
...
Very interesting site, a lot of stuff here, not only about MOT.
Thanks
Quote from: exnihiloest on 2011.11.05, 14:08:40
Very interesting site, a lot of stuff here, not only about MOT.
Thanks
Sure, always glad to help if I can.
@all
I may have said I'm getting a new job; well, it could be sooner than I think. I may not be long for the Internet, since I'll be pretty busy. I'm going to see if I have time before I leave to translate my schematic drawing to a Windows Word file (probably easiest) or else a PDF file (this is perfect) and attach it to a new post.
In the meantime, take another look at the drawing in Reply #30. For simplicity's sake, think of the wires connected at the top.
Otherwise, the circuit will function the same way. Low frequency AC (60 Hz) iis inputted on the left and it gets stepped up to a higher level higher to a solid wire on the upper right. That's all.
As an aside, I'm doing this to try and reduce EMI in a large city (San Francisco). The Feds will take a dim view of my killing the airwaves with static. My spark gap will be a blown light bulb. I do have car spark plugs that will actually work perfectly, if I need them. They're designed for it.
This is a zero-point receiver I had envisioned for a modified version of my schematic. A very long wire is connected to the center of the spiral. That way what's inputted to the system is mainly energy from lower band frequencies. To mains 50/60 Hz power is needed at that point. I also would have gone straight to a transformer/diode/capacitor/battery arrangement.
Note: The component values appear to be in Russian.
This is it. (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10179.405;topicseen) (Look at Reply #410, Pg 28.)
That's what I meant by "uploaded schematics" in the thread title. I don't have my own computer to do this in privacy. I'm borrowing a computer and I'm depending on uploaded work done by someone else for an example to show you.
I can't do it any other way. Not having the money or the freedom is a bitch, sometimes.
Okay MileHigh?
I didn't remember insulting you first by by saying I was
(essentially) an absolute 'beginner' in electronics. I just don't have the practical experience in high voltage yet.
Yet. It's coming. If you like, you can complain to me like WilbyInebriated told me to "quit bellyaching!" about my complaints to him.
I have Asperger's syndrome which make me socially awkward sometimes. So, if you want to sound as insensitive as Wilby...(you can be that way, because you say you're looking for the 'biggest splash', as you put it? He would, too.) Don't argue with me. I've got 50+ years experience in harassment. I get fed up with it after a while. Anyone would.
I'll try and continue posting as long as I can, but I'll have a job to do.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on 2011.11.05, 17:55:40
I'm going to see if I have time before I leave to translate my schematic drawing to a Windows Word file (probably easiest) or else a PDF file (this is perfect) and attach it to a new post.
Okay, here it is as an attachment from my UBS thumb drive.
(Fine. I invoked it with a mouse click and it ran as it should.)
Okay. Explanatory notes would have cluttered the drawing with many, many words. (I have another drawing as proof, but it's not particularly helpful to look at.)
Sorry, the image is upside down. I never did this before on someone else's public computer. Just print off a copy and turn it over.
Starting with the circle with two separated 'curly-Q's', be aware that it represents a blown light bulb as a spark gap. It should still be airtight, so more voltage may be required to overcome a vacuum without air to assist electrical breakdown with a gas that ionizes fairly easily.
Wall voltage transformers (conveniently available) step up the original voltage from 120 VAC to 2400 VAC by using 1/2 of a center tap on a 12 volt secondary off a medium-sized Radio Shack unit. I use at least 10ea. 450 mA transformers at a time because it's safer to, say, light 2ea. fluorescent tubes in series with 10 of these and not worry about putting a 0 ohm short on the coils. The tubes are current limiters and the steel cores can actually handle the current. (I've done it safely.)
The downward-pointing 'U'-shaped thing with the coil is a large set of paper taped, single wire, soda/beer bottle transformers to step up voltage further. The steel cores can be cast rebar or other magnetic scrap as is cheaply available.
Finally, the coil is going to be co-ax which should be able to handle say 8,000-12000 volts. Industrial electronic parts suppliers have very high voltage wire for sale on the internet, I'm sure, but that would be costly. Lots more voltage is possible with more bottles, and more wire turns offer offer a greater resistance path for power to flow in. Wire stays cooler and there won't be arcs between turns if the individual volts/tun ratio is low enough. Using a Lakhovshy coil at high voltage/high current levels can cause arcing between the gaps. The jury might be out as to whether this helps the curative effect(s)---if any---from what I've read so far.
It's set up that way now so as to reduce EMI which will be nevertheless inevitable with the spark gap operating.
Now, some Members have complained of being burned by microwaves coming off the coil the same way as a microwave oven, for the same reason. High power levels for extended periods may not be recommended for even a commercial unit? I've never heard of someone using one for several hours at a time.
So, what did Lakhovsky do to not get burned? How about Tesla with his coils? Someone's doing something different to get different results. I'll try and take the time later to find out why this is. Something's going on that hadn't ought to be happening; and I'll start reading.
--Lee
Lee,
This would be a good challenge for someone that knows pSpice to see how this setup would operate. Unfortunately pSpice cannot model the radiation of radio waves from the transmitting antenna. However, you could make very good inferences by looking at the frequencies observed and the physical setup.
The fundamental difference from the reference schematic posted before and your schematic is that the reference schematic leaves the Tesla coil/antenna open-circuited and it just "whips" in voltage relative to the ground. In your schematic the transmitting antenna itself is a real load on the Tesla coil. That goes right back to what I said before, this setup may run a risk of burning up, but it all depends on the component values. For example, the value for the two capacitors is quite critical, and they would likely have to have a very high rated voltage. The voltage might be so high that the capacitors might have to simply be metal plates separated by an inch or more using air as the dielectric. If that was the case then the capacitors would be minuscule in value.
From what I see in looking at the circuit, the spark gap, contrary to what some may think, in this case cuts off the current to your transmitting coil. When that happens the magnetic field energy stored in the Tesla coil and the transmitting coil/antenna and the electric field energy stored in the capacitors will start to resonate, most likely at a very high frequency, but not necessarily so high such that most of the energy is dissipated as radio waves. Of course the spark gap itself will generate radio waves. The resonating will decay very quickly, in a fraction of a 60 Hz cycle. My guess is that a small fraction of the resonant energy will become radio waves, and the rest will be pumped back into the power line and also dissipate in the circuit as heat. In short order the voltage from the next sinusoidal wave from the high voltage transformer will take over and energy will be pumped into the system and it will all start over with the spark gap firing again and cutting off the energy supply to the circuit.
I think that you might be confusing the dielectric breakdown rating for the coax cable with "voltage handling capability" of the wire, which is not really a valid concept relative to your discussion. Another issue for you to ponder is that your transmitting antenna coil in your schematic appears to be what some call a single-conductor "pancake" coil. Coax cable is not single conductor and is not normally be used in a pancake coil application.
I have never played with this stuff and never will, but I'm just trying to give you my preliminary estimate of how the circuit would work. It's very easy to miss big things when you do this.
MileHigh
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on 2011.11.08, 01:20:03
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Now, some Members have complained of being burned by microwaves coming off the coil the same way as a microwave oven, for the same reason. High power levels for extended periods may not be recommended for even a commercial unit? I've never heard of someone using one for several hours at a time.
So, what did Lakhovsky do to not get burned? How about Tesla with his coils? Someone's doing something different to get different results. I'll try and take the time later to find out why this is. Something's going on that hadn't ought to be happening; and I'll start reading.
--Lee
What Prof. Lakhovsky developed is very similar
to what Dr. Puharich later discovered and developed
although they used entirely different means.
The amount of energy needed to disrupt cellular
structures is not great. Excessive power levels
will be potentially damaging to healthy tissue.
The total amount of emitted RF energy should be
less than two watts; preferably less than one watt.
When Prof. Lakhovsky developed his device the spark
gap was the only practical method to develop the
broad band very sharp impulses which contained
the essential range of harmonic energies. With modern
semiconductor devices it is possible to generate the
same sort of impulses at very low (and safe) power
levels with a low voltage input.
Dr. Puharich discovered that the frequencies which are
most beneficial are actually quite low. With the
Lakhovsky MWO device nearly all of the generated
radio frequencies will be at the low end of the
spectrum. The higher order harmonics are produced
as well but with little energy ideally since their function
is to heat body tissues (without inflicting damage) in a
fashion similar to the old diathermy machines.
When dealing with RF energy and the human body,
less is often more [effective.]
Concerning MileHigh's post #53, I don't have much time on this computer, but I do have answers to some of his observations; one of those being, I don't have any access to the SPICE simulation software as a hobbyist, but I will eventually as a professional working on company projects.
And: I know mid-spectrum radio (microwaves) might be at least attempted to be filtered out from (at least) the power input point by inputting very low frequency AC. (The spark gap will complicate this, I agree, but I'll either address this issue later in this post being revised, or else a new post.)
I can be back later to explain myself further.
--Lee
Quote from: Dumped on 2011.11.08, 05:27:38
...The total amount of emitted RF energy should be
less than two watts; preferably less than one watt. ...
I agree. For future work, I was theoretically going to suggest using a voltage divider arrangement to possibly to tap power off to a more localized location where less power might be needed for any kind of therapeutic reason, if needed. I was asked to review public literature for this sort of electromagnetic therapy, just to familiarize myself with the general physics.
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...When Prof. Lakhovsky developed his device the spark
gap was the only practical method to develop the
broad band very sharp impulses which contained
the essential range of harmonic energies. ...
Yes, exactly. I surmise(?) harmonic frequencies in wide spectrum ranges propagate up and down power/signal lines and through coil turn windings. It may be possible that the frequencies are further subdivided or combined into additional harmonics while doing all this? I'm speculating, here. Radio and microwave reference texts are something to be found in university libraries and those are an expensive train or bus ride for me to get to.
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...With modern semiconductor devices it is possible to generate the same sort of impulses at very low (and safe) power levels with a low voltage input. ...
Indeed they do. They can input a specific range of selectable frequencies from an oscillator. Low power with signal transistors or high power with paralleled power transistors.
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Dr. Puharich discovered that the frequencies which are
most beneficial are actually quite low. With the
Lakhovsky MWO device nearly all of the generated
radio frequencies will be at the low end of the
spectrum.
I read awhile ago that atmospheric aerials located away from power lines generate power mainly in the low frequency end of the electromagnetic spectrum.
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The higher order harmonics are produced
as well but with little energy ideally since their function
is to heat body tissues (without inflicting damage) in a
fashion similar to the old diathermy machines.
Yep, there are patents to that effect from decades ago. One involved a beauty salon's hair dryer to heat the hair to force dry it. Vacuum tubes were used to approximate a multivibrator oscillator that outputted to two coils next to the head, I believe. Really.
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When dealing with RF energy and the human body,
less is often more [effective.]
Uh huh. I knew a fellow veteran who served on a frigate and he was microwaved (disabled by the incident) by the power from the transmit antenna. He didn't know it was radiating.
--Lee
Reedit, 9 Nov '11: Spelling correction with 'Spell Check.'
Quote from: MileHigh on 2011.11.08, 03:10:57
The fundamental difference from the reference schematic posted before and your schematic is that the reference schematic leaves the Tesla coil/antenna open-circuited and it just "whips" in voltage relative to the ground. In your schematic the transmitting antenna itself is a real load on the Tesla coil.
Yes, I see that. I have another circuit below as an attachment, which was modified from a pre-existing ambient power collector either on the "Joule Thief" or "Joule Ringer" forums at OU.com. It's not a complete short-circuited-load to the circuit.
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... That goes right back to what I said before, this setup may run a risk of burning up, but it all depends on the component values.
That's why I'm taking the time to hand wind
many transformer coils to present a higher resistance to the input source,;so as not to burn up an inter-mediate voltage commercial transformer before the high voltage stage. I've used more than 10 rolls of 2-conductor, 24ga. solid speaker wire, torn in two to double the wire length, so as to increase total resistance and output potential voltage as well. I probably would spend more time and build more of these; the parts are relatively cheap.
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For example, the value for the two capacitors is quite critical, and they would likely have to have a very high rated voltage. The voltage might be so high that the capacitors might have to simply be metal plates separated by an inch or more using air as the dielectric. If that was the case then the capacitors would be minuscule in value.
Take a look at this:
http://www.fuellesspower.com/30_HV_Voltage_Caps.htm
I was thinking of using a dead light bulb and cover the top with a sheet of taped, scrap aluminum foil. Two in series will double the available working voltage and reduce the available capacitance in half. Two sets of these in parallel will return the available capacitance to the original value. I full matrix of three sets of three parallel and series(9ea.) gives three times the working voltage and the same original capacitance. And so on with the number of desired voltage squared and then in series. Old Internet references indicate the light bulb capacitor by itself has a non-polarized capacitance of about 25 picofarads, depending upon exact size of the bulb.
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From what I see in looking at the circuit, the spark gap, contrary to what some may think, in this case cuts off the current to your transmitting coil. When that happens the magnetic field energy stored in the Tesla coil and the transmitting coil/antenna and the electric field energy stored in the capacitors will start to resonate, most likely at a very high frequency, but not necessarily so high such that most of the energy is dissipated as radio waves. Of course the spark gap itself will generate radio waves. The resonating will decay very quickly, in a fraction of a 60 Hz cycle. My guess is that a small fraction of the resonant energy will become radio waves, and the rest will be pumped back into the power line and also dissipate in the circuit as heat. In short order the voltage from the next sinusoidal wave from the high voltage transformer will take over and energy will be pumped into the system and it will all start over with the spark gap firing again and cutting off the energy supply to the circuit.
I've never heard of that whole paragraph being so. I didn't know that was possible. Could you provide a reference to this information?
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I think that you might be confusing the dielectric breakdown rating for the coax cable with "voltage handling capability" of the wire, which is not really a valid concept relative to your discussion.
That would have been for the main spiral coil. Air would have been my dielectric at the rate of 3000 volts/mm.
See:
http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2000/AliceHong.shtml
I was figuring 3,000,000 volts/meter divided by 100 divided by 10. 3,000 volts/mm.
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Another issue for you to ponder is that your transmitting antenna coil in your schematic appears to be what some call a single-conductor "pancake" coil. Coax cable is not single conductor and is not normally be used in a pancake coil application.
The average data transmission co-ax cable has a shielded web if steel under the outer insulation and possibly a steel wire running the length of the cable to (I believe?) equalize localized voltage gradients along the length of the cable as the wire is grounded. The air was to be a dielectric, as i said.
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I have never played with this stuff and never will, but I'm just trying to give you my preliminary estimate of how the circuit would work. It's very easy to miss big things when you do this.
No problem in your raising issues. I'll be answering questions for my supervisors in the future along the same general lines of R&D, myself. They ask, I answer.
Here's the new schematic. You can make comments if you like or I'll try and explain it later.
(The drawing fills more than one computer screen on this borrowed computer, but when I printed the page out in both 'portrait' and 'landscape' orientation, the default page setting shrunk-to-fit the drawing to fit a page exactly.)
--Lee
Lee:
I suppose that you could make your own high-voltage capacitors. You could just look up the real ones online and chances are that the datasheets will tell you what the dielectric materiel they are using is. You don't need to purchase the plans from that web site.
Making capacitors from old incandescent light bulbs sounds very strange to me. Are you saying that you would connect one wire to the foil that you would tape to the light bulb? 25 picofarads is a really really small value of capacitance. I think that will act like an open circuit more than anything else.
I have no references for my thoughts on how the schematic in your previous posting might work, I am just looking at the circuit and telling you what I think.
QuoteThe average data transmission co-ax cable has a shielded web if steel under the outer insulation and possibly a steel wire running the length of the cable to (I believe?) equalize localized voltage gradients along the length of the cable as the wire is grounded.
The center conductor carries the signal through the coaxial cable, something like sound passing through air pipes like what they used to use in ships for communicating with the bridge in the 19th century. The coaxial cable is what is called a transmission line. There are voltage gradients on the center conductor but typically at very high frequency.
MileHigh
Quote from: MileHigh on 2011.11.14, 04:05:25
Lee:
I suppose that you could make your own high-voltage capacitors. You could just look up the real ones online and chances are that the datasheets will tell you what the dielectric materiel they are using is. You don't need to purchase the plans from that web site. ...
Yes, exactly. The site was provided merely as a reference. I don't order from them.
I'd say several 8 1/2 X 11 inch sheets of paper glued to together with Elmer's Glue, followed by two laminated sheets of aluminum foil glued together by more glue---and then: A sheet of aluminum with the paper lamination glued on top of it, and finally a sheet of aluminum on top of that---should make a capacitor. E.G., a "sandwich" of 2ea. sheets of aluminum foil with laminated paper in between. The precise thickness of each component can be resolved with personal R&D. A capacitance meter and a voltmeter should also be helpful.
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...Making capacitors from old incandescent light bulbs sounds very strange to me. Are you saying that you would connect one wire to the foil that you would tape to the light bulb? ...
Yep, that's it. I'd solder a lead to the bottom of the bulb and use conductive grease for gluing to the aluminum and the lead wire. High voltage is possible using the air between the end components as a dielectric.
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...25 picofarads is a really really small value of capacitance. I think that will act like an open circuit more than anything else.
That construction plan for the homemade capacitors was from an old 'Web site that I can't find any more. That was the scheme the author(s) recommended. I realize the capacitance is low, but then so is two conductive plates separated by air as a dielectric.
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...I have no references for my thoughts on how the schematic in your previous posting might work, I am just looking at the circuit and telling you what I think.
...
The center conductor carries the signal through the coaxial cable, something like sound passing through air pipes like what they used to use in ships for communicating with the bridge in the 19th century. The coaxial cable is what is called a transmission line. ...
Exactly. I held a professional position as an R&D electronic technician for a burglar alarm service and data communications were sent and received over either co-ax lines or Ma Bell Telco interfaced circuits to industry standard, 16-bit industrial minicomputers. This was early 80's vintage technology, so it's obsolete now, but I was familiar with it then. You're quite correct.
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...There are voltage gradients on the center conductor but typically at very high frequency.
Well, I did find this...
http://www.ece.vt.edu/swe/lwa/memo/lwa0168.pdf
...and while it doesn't address your concern with center cable conductors, it might go well with one or more threads on this Bench. When I worked, there was no high concern for voltage gradients as such, since the home office did extensive design and theoretical research on company products. We just tried to improve existing devices to fit a customer's requirements. Interesting concept you mentioned, though.
--Lee
Quote from: MileHigh on 2011.11.14, 04:05:25
Lee:
I suppose that you could make your own high-voltage capacitors. You could just look up the real ones online and chances are that the datasheets will tell you what the dielectric materiel they are using is. You don't need to purchase the plans from that web site. ...
Here's a 'Web-based descriptive application from a large Russian site doing the same research we are:
http://www.001-lab.com/001lab/index.php?topic=455.650
(Reply 699, pg. 14)
The far right side of the "self-oscillator" has a 27 microFarad light bulb capacitor as a component.
--Lee
Regarding Daniel Pomerleau I know a very astute energy researcher who has personally observed Daniel Pomerleau in action and he explained how it was being done. At least what he observed left open the probability that it is a hoax. As much as I'd like to believe he is the real thing and his coils really do what he claims I tend to trust the judgement of the very knowledgeable researcher who saw this in person. I still like to think that there just might be something possible with a whole bunch of different sized coils hooked together that might be interacting in some unusual way to produce power. But I think that's mostly wishful thinking ;)
Quote from: e2matrix on 2011.11.20, 20:07:18
Regarding Daniel Pomerleau I know a very astute energy researcher who has personally observed Daniel Pomerleau in action and he explained how it was being done. At least what he observed left open the probability that it is a hoax. As much as I'd like to believe he is the real thing and his coils really do what he claims I tend to trust the judgement of the very knowledgeable researcher who saw this in person. I still like to think that there just might be something possible with a whole bunch of different sized coils hooked together that might be interacting in some unusual way to produce power. But I think that's mostly wishful thinking ;)
I think with Daniel, the coil inventor, there's operating in him a mental ability in the same vein as the great inventors of decades past when they may not have known what
wasn't supposed to be possible---they just did it with natural ability. Tesla was, i believe, the only man to tune a 3-coil Tesla coil and get it to put out maximum voltage. Moray was another one.
Pomerleau is using just coils in the pictures I saw. Did your friend say how he thought it was faked? Was someone using Pomerleau as a tool to trick people that he was genuine?
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on 2011.11.20, 04:06:52
Here's a 'Web-based descriptive application from a large Russian site doing the same research we are:
http://www.001-lab.com/001lab/index.php?topic=455.650
(Reply 699, pg. 14)
The far right side of the "self-oscillator" has a 27 microFarad light bulb capacitor as a component.
Here's another way to use a vacuum tube in the same manner as a light bulb with aluminum foils taped to the top:
http://www.noah.org/science/x-ray/stong/
(In this instance, the vacuum tube and a foil-capped incandescent bulb obviously function identically. The "vibrator" can be replaced with a relay wired to oscillate its coil and contacts.)
--Lee
Hey M:
Well coupled with post #60, it looks like this guy is X-RAY'n the hell out of his self!
And don't even know it. That's the down side of DIY, you may well be invoking things
not wanted. Price you pay tho.
Thay
Quote from: thaelin on 2011.11.22, 12:00:42
Hey M:
Well coupled with post #60, it looks like this guy is X-RAY'n the hell out of his self! And don't even know it.
Yep, you betcha. I don't know how short the X-Rays would have been, but tissue damage and cell death would result from standing near this contraption. The higher the voltage the faster the electrons hit the aluminum, and the shorter the X-Rays. It's an old circuit, too. Nobody draws like that any more.
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That's the down side of DIY, you may well be invoking things
not wanted. Price you pay tho.
Thay
That's right. I'm not going to build anything like this. C.C I only included it to show the similarity to light bulb capacitors. Waaaaayyyyy!!! too dangerous and I have no use for it. That's why I
try! like! hell! to be careful around high voltage.
--Lee
Reedit, 25 Nov '11: Minor text reedit for appearance.
Quote from: MrMag on 2011.10.31, 18:01:23
Here is a schematic that was taken from an original Lakhovsky MWO. If you expect the same results as he was getting, you need to use the same machine or at least a replication and not a guess or shortcut of what he was using.
If you or anyone is seriously concidering building a MWO replication, a lot of information and technical data of the original machines can be found at http://users.skynet.be/Lakhovsky/index.htm
Speaking of MWO equivalent circuits, this is very close to what I originally intended with this thread topic:
Patent: #3,678,337
"Environmental Control Apparatus"Here. (http://www.google.com/patents?id=6VgvAAAAEBAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=patent:3678337&hl=en&ei=lD7QTti0KPLPiALYk_iJDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CDIQ6AEwAA)
I've read this patent and this will do what I envision for what I think I need in my goal(s). What that is exactly, I'll keep to myself for now, but my aims
aren't commercially-motivated or profit-oriented in nature.
--Lee
Reedit 26 Nov '11: Clarified text wording.
Regarding my future here at OUR.com site is not something for speculation. To wit: I said my new job would be coming shortly with a high security clearance, It's here, beginning with two months of training.
Bottom line: Because I'm also relocating, the Internet is now out of the question. I may and may not return to research, but I have a lhigh salary to make the wait worthwhile.
--Lee
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on 2011.05.29, 00:22:23
Temporary Announcement:
Past quote:
"Because my daily and monthly schedule(s) are becoming hectic, I may not post to these threads for an indefinite period of time."
Hey guys, I'm winding the coils for a Lakhovsky radiator coil system using line voltage as a starting point.
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://altered-states.net/barry/newsletter208/mwoDiagram.gif&imgrefurl=http://altered-states.net/barry/newsletter208/index.htm&usg=__ZTSFvmfTzsrQU3lGpsCN4rGgDng=&h=588&w=208&sz=121&hl=en&start=12&zoom=1&tbnid=x8y3cKB8EELBgM:&tbnh=165&tbnw=58&ei=3o7hTaD-OpO6sQOWp5j8Bg&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dlakhovsky%2Bcoil%2Boperation%26hl%3Den%26biw%3D995%26bih%3D586%26tbm%3Disch&itbs=1&iact=rc&dur=219&page=2&ndsp=19&ved=1t:429,r:6,s:12&tx=21&ty=132
Another, (admittedly) COMMERCIAL! Internet brochure for Tesla and the MWO:
http://altered-states.net/barry/newsletter425/index.htm
(The line-powered LMO is further down this page above.)
So, I'm back on this site with new material:
http://journal.borderlands.com/1971/lakhovsky-mwo/
This one requires no special parts. And, if necessary, the transformers can be hand-wound. The bottom line is, personally, I've been treated for skin cancer, which has a seriously bad history in both sides of my family. And I'm 63; with genetic problems I was born with that adds to the problem.
It's time to do something while I still can.
--Lee
Reedit, 17 Jun 11: Adding to thread title and to descriptive text for vacuum tube/diode.
Reedit, 20 Jun '11: Rearranging text, deleting past personal announce concerning the Memorial Day weekend and adding a reference 'Web site address.
Reedit, 30 Aug '11: Added
"Temporary Announcement" to top of post.
Reedit, 28 Oct '11: Reworded the opening announcement.
Reedit, 23 May, 13: Updated description and added another 'Web site reference. This thread no longer 'sticks' to the top of the page, as well.
Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on 2013.05.23, 19:15:34
So, I'm back on this site with new material:
http://journal.borderlands.com/1971/lakhovsky-mwo/
It's time to do something while I still can."
Here you go: take a look at these...
http://www.loohan.com/coilinfo.htm
...and...
http://www.rexresearch.com/lakhov/lakhusps.htm
I was incorrect earlier: Tesla coils and Lakhovsky radiating coils usually need special high voltage parts that require custom building by hand.
Unless commercial 'wall wart' transformers are connected backwards to step up voltage---and I have those. They're
NOT designed for high voltage, however. I intend to put a 4-watt, 120VAC nightlight in front of the circuit as a current limiter for experimentation. Will begin experimentation when I have more time.
--Lee
Reedit, 17 Jun 11: Adding to thread title and to descriptive text for vacuum tube/diode.
Reedit, 20 Jun '11: Rearranging text, deleting past personal announce concerning the Memorial Day weekend and adding a reference 'Web site address.
Reedit, 30 Aug '11: Added
"Temporary Announcement" to top of post.
Reedit, 28 Oct '11: Reworded the opening announcement.
Reedit, 23 May, 13: Updated description and added another 'Web site reference. This thread no longer 'sticks' to the top of the page, as well.
Reedit, 26 May, 13: Added more references to end of post as reedited material.
Just ran into this on the 'Web...
http://www.energeticforum.com/eric-dollard-official-forum/11855-eric-dollard-4.html
Adds more information to what I was trying to put across. Money and free time are something I need more of to get into this subject more thoroughly.
--Lee