Suspended Magnet

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Valeriy	Suspended Magnet « on: 2014-08-16, 20:57:01 »
Jr. Member Posts: 87	Two magnetic fields interaction video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNqq6YgdGX4 Suspended Magnet magnets YT.jpg (95.77 kB, 800x526 - viewed 880 times.)

Matt Watts	Re: Suspended Magnet « Reply #1 on: 2014-08-17, 07:41:40 »
Newbie Posts: 809	Go ahead, please tell us the Visual Education trick used in this video. We are all adults here, we can handle the truth.

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Re: Suspended Magnet « Reply #2 on: 2014-08-17, 08:52:17 »

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Could it be using the Wesley Gary effect ? If one of the magnets has a piece of "Fe" Iron or steel ect. on one of the like poles facing each other (just say the stationary one) and adjusted just right then the free swinging magnet will be first repelled by the magnetism then at a certain distance the swinging magnet will be attracted to the "Fe" for a moment then repelled again. I was thinking of ways to setup a similar arrangement using the Wesley Gary effect to get a self turning rotor.

Theoretically without some kind of switching or other intervention the forces should all cancel I think, but I don't have any calculations to support that.

EDIT: after watching the video it is not the Gary effect, likely a induced magnetism in the ring. Or compressed air again, no sound on the video kills any validity.
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BEP	Re: Suspended Magnet « Reply #3 on: 2014-08-17, 18:18:15 »
Newbie Posts: 2205	An unusually complex van der pol oscillator Complex in what is going on but it should be simple to replicate if you consider all of the degrees of oscillation/movement. Aluminum part of the ring? You succeed again in making people talk about your demonstration. Great work! I hope someone looks into it a little deeper than arm-chair criticism.

PhysicsProf	Re: Suspended Magnet « Reply #4 on: 2014-08-18, 02:00:48 »
Group: Professor Hero Member Posts: 3215	Another VEProject1 video - there are lots of them now. They appear to represent perpetual motion, but do not in actuality (when you get these guys to talk). There is always a trick... IMO.

Paul-R	Re: Suspended Magnet « Reply #5 on: 2014-08-18, 14:22:58 »
Hero Member Posts: 1673	Quote from: PhysicsProf on 2014-08-18, 02:00:48 Another VEProject1 video - there are lots of them now. They appear to represent perpetual motion, but do not in actuality (when you get these guys to talk). There is always a trick... IMO. I think they are about teaching people to think by presenting scientific paradoxes Reminiscent of Daedalus in "The New Scientist".

Matt Watts	Re: Suspended Magnet « Reply #6 on: 2014-08-19, 00:33:49 »
Newbie Posts: 809	http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/19700-suspended-magnet.html Quote from: veproject1 I like your big magnet. So many fakes I could do with it! « Last Edit: 2014-08-20, 21:28:45 by Matt Watts »

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Re: Suspended Magnet « Reply #7 on: 2014-08-20, 21:29:22 »

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I'm personally still a little miffed about this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkLfpXpO5sQ

I built the darn thing only to discover the magnet base used in the video is actually a pulsing device. If you use a real permanent magnet, the ball will not roll, it will try to slide, which defeats the whole purpose. So you could say I'm a little biased. For experimenters, these videos are not helpful. It takes quite a bit of time and materials only to discover you've been had, or as my son would say, owned.

PhysicsProf

Re: Suspended Magnet « Reply #8 on: 2014-08-23, 16:09:35 »

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Quote from: Matt Watts on 2014-08-20, 21:29:22

I'm personally still a little miffed about this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkLfpXpO5sQ

I built the darn thing only to discover the magnet base used in the video is actually a pulsing device. If you use a real permanent magnet, the ball will not roll, it will try to slide, which defeats the whole purpose. So you could say I'm a little biased. For experimenters, these videos are not helpful. It takes quite a bit of time and materials only to discover you've been had, or as my son would say, owned.

I agree. If the "ve project" would say out front that there is a trick (can you find it?), that would be better, less misleading.

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Re: Suspended Magnet « Reply #9 on: 2014-08-26, 03:12:24 »

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I think they are about teaching people to think by presenting scientific paradoxes Reminiscent of Daedalus in "The New Scientist".

Therein lies the real trick I think and like any good addict I have spent decades trying to undo the past... to think for myself. Oh we may think we have a mind of our own but we seldom do and some of my greatest insights were so simple and obvious that it defied the imagination. It was right in front of me for all to see but we cannot see what we will not accept and the mind discards 99% of what our eyes do see and distorts whatever remains.

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I agree. If the "ve project" would say out front that there is a trick (can you find it?), that would be better, less misleading.

I would ask what fun is there in that for the thrill of the chase is not the resolution but the chase in itself. I would rather not know and have to fend for myself without intervention for then the journey is mine and mine alone. Which is what were talking about isn't it?, the fact that what we are told seldom works in which case maybe we should stop listening and find out own way. In any case I find no satisfaction in replication and when I see something I ask where can I take this?, how can I make this my own and take it to a place nobody else has been?.

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