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Les recommended a separate post for this, because the results appear to be showing fruit, while the tree is a mere sapling.

It concerns talk within his introduction thread, of a method described by Tesla as 'System for Electrical Distribution"
Here's the Patent: http://www.google.com/patents/US381970

Having built many Joule Thief type circuits and having witnessed an Alum and water cell begin to flash a regular plain Joule Thief, my interests were expanded to creating a different but useful low power circuit.
That circuit became the '555 A-Like'. 1Volt required, less than 150uA required and giving similar benefits as the famous 555 timer. Variable duty rate, frequency, Pin 3 type output to drive via the transistor Collector and fully tunable.
That simple circuit and description are here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hk63WijKZFc

The Patent coil was then wound. It has been wound on a JT sized black ferrite core of approx 1/2". The lower windings are of 30 gauge and my intentions in the next video link, were to simply test those windings. 36 x 4 and connected as per the Patent...it needed to be tested before the top winds were to go on. The 555 A-Like was a good idea for a test. The middle 2 windings of the Patent were connected together and they became the Positive power input.
555 A-Like running the Tesla Patent winding coil: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNegZlHGHt0
 
I wished to gain a view of the waveform and so placed my regular sniffer coil next to the toroid (sniffers have been seen in many peoples videos on YouTube and offer a convenient Ground as well as signal path. I don't know enough about scopes and that is one concern, this one being relatively new to me, though is second hand.
I was wondering about the 'trumpet wave' as apparently produced and that is something as confirmed by Les that is wished to be seen by many researchers. It's what the screen here shows when I test !

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a129/slider27/100_0050-1.jpg
Tesla Patent: 381,970 - my wild ride so far...


And here is the 'Unlisted' video that you might review, to see the scope traces, I do apologize for lack of proficiency and that is why it isn't a Public video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGKiMtJJv1I

Next, it was decided that a good idea, would be to see if there was a long term running difference to a regular Joule Thief type of circuit. Was it showing anything else perhaps differently.
Taking a 1.2V Ni-MH that I usually charge via solar, the tests began prior to the thought really. I'd used the battery during the day and its starting voltage was 1.240V. The first couple of hours were run at 'wide open' screaming milliamps lol, approx 20mA.
By 7.25pm the battery was showing 1.216V
The pot was turned fully down, to run the LED at a flash rate of approx 5Hz (still pretty fast but not continuous light).
Running current from that time has been 150uA.
Since that time, the battery has seemingly recovered, way up to 1.239V as of now, 05.00am

Here's a pic of where it sits.
http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a129/slider27/100_0061.jpg
Tesla Patent: 381,970 - my wild ride so far...



To explain the above, at the top is the Atomic Clock, showing Date and time. To its left is the wire i'll be using for the top coils of the toroid. Underneath right is the meter, middle shows how the solar cell has been covered (since midnight) and to the left you can see the LED on.
There are many questions, surely not due to a different coil winding ?
Note - i invite anyone to attempt to charge a battery with a garden light panel indoors, several feet away from a 13W CFL, it has been covered over to only leave battery self recovery as the reason for the anomaly :)
I'll be fitting an AV plug of 1N4148 diodes and small reactance electrolytic cap to the spike output, for a return to the battery and, well, crossing my fingers.

It may be a triviality for OU research, but i've had good success with this sort of thing and this forming method is crying out to be fully explored.
A regular 381,970 coil wound on a toroid of several inches diameter may be the furtherment, should this actually produce a good charging system.
Thanks for reading :)


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As of 11.23am, the meter reads 1.240V
So, it's back to where it started and has run all those hours.

I'm going to give it a couple more hours and then at least know the system is efficient.

Then wind the top coils and route the collected pickup energies back to the battery.

Tesla has designed this in an easily appreachable way, if one considers his famous vertical towers. The Patent itself may be considered as 4x Tesla towers in a circle. Fine winds are the Secondary, over the top a loosely coupled Primary. Beneath all is a core of ferrite.
Remembering that the smaller the system the more the need for a ferrite slug within the tower, we can readily appreciate this logical design.
(See especially JonnyDavro, GBluer and Lidmotor's videos for ferrite pieces inside micro tower designs).
The energies are made to whirl and we hear from sources such as Walter Russell and Bearden of how important vortex energies are.
Tesla would say how low voltage and high current are as readily available as high voltage low current. I see this Patent as relating to that 'reverse Tesla tower' thinking.


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hmmm....

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a129/slider27/100_0065.jpg
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Well, it's not like I can mess up the recovery section !


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Present schematic:

Transistor - 2N4401
Electrolytic capacitor - 10uF 50V
Variable pot - 20K
LED - Superbright white (from 3 LED closet light found at Dollar Tree)
Coil - 36 turns of 30 gauge wire x 4 sections
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I let it run for the full 24 hours  ???



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The second set of windings are now being trialed.
They have to be in the opposite direction to the lower winds and comprise less turns of thicker, magnetic wire. Iron is stated, but with the gauge of wire I have being too thick, a magnetic steel was chosen (as seen in one pic above). It is presumed that such wire induces better than copper...something which had been untried up to now.
The gauge is about 30 per strand, but has no insulation, so is in fact a little thicker.

Wondering about this, I tried the following, with a known rested Ni-MH, showing 1.264V
One section was wound with both types:
Twisted double strands - 8 turns - 0.300V @<10uA
Single wire - 8 turns - 1.251V @ 100uA
Single wire - 9 turns - 1.261V @ 177uA

The above figures are the output from one end of each wire and the Ground of the circuit (Negative of battery).
That's pretty good induction out of that single wire and single section  :)
 
« Last Edit: 2012-03-15, 06:10:41 by Slider2732 »


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All 4 sections have now been wrapped with the 9 turns each.
'Blenderm' surgical tape has been used to protect the finer 30 gauge underneath and the original coil connections.
Fix-All glue has been used to keep the steel windings separate from each other.
The wire up of these top coils is as per the Patent in the second drawing.
However, induction results are by connecting to Ground (battery Negative) and either of the two output wires of the steel coils.
 
The preliminary results are:
Input - 1.246V @ 0.62mA
Output - 1.243V @ 0.53mA

The pot is at its full 20K resistance. Moving the pot to lower resistances resulted in the exact same behaviour of the circuit as has been usual, but, most interestingly, as the frequency went up the induction of amperage went down ! At the lowest pot setting was where induction was best.
While moving the coil position, I noticed 2 wires had crossed over each other on the steel wire sections and that they would have to be moved with a pin. Testing again, to see if there was much difference, the milliamp reading had been greatly affected to 0.32mA.
It looks like the wiring has to be right !

Tomorrow, will see whether a battery on the charge side affects amp draw on the input.
It has been noticed however, that while the circuit used to draw 150uA, it now draws 620uA. No free lunch it seems.
Output is 90uA less than input - a 'saving' of 60uA when running without the top coils -when the recovery is taken into consideration, but the voltage recovery is 0.003V less than the input voltage.

Either which way, this system is a heck of an energy collector and i'm glad i've built it.



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