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  Today I listened to the talk by Paul Babcock at the conference a few weeks ago (July, Idaho, Be.dini - Linde.man conf).  Fascinating.

  He claims he (and his small team) can capture flyback energy from a coil in such a way that Lenz's law is obviated, so that he achieves OU.  Key is magnetic energy recovery, from coils.

  Devices:
 Shows video  that he has a DC motor that does this, but needs $1 million to develop it.
So his company "Flyback Energy" has gone into more modest devices to satisfy investors [IMHO, mistake probably that he went the investors route], including an inverter that runs off mains and allows the meter to slow way down as devices are powered by his amazing inverter.  Power companies seek to please the stock-holders and don't like it  -- University Profs gave him flak.

I find him to be sincere, and wish he would say more, show more... but HE ALSO HAS INVESTORS and so, not clear when his devices will reach mankind....  sigh...

One needs to buy the DVD of his talk, -- UNLESS we can find info available on-line etc.

Here's one commentary I found; I think this is Jeane Manning's site and writing:

http://changingpower.net/paul-babcock-uses-magnetic-flyback-for-our-benefit/

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Paul Babcock uses magnetic flyback – for our benefit

It’s been an exciting week for several reasons.  The Breakthrough Power e-book is now for sale on our site; please spread the word.  Second, reports are coming from the TeslaTech and Natural Philosophy Alliance conferences. A press pass awaited me in Albuquerque, but my budget kept me home.  I consoled myself by remembering highlights (see note at end) of the conference in Idaho a month ago. Which leads to appreciation of the 3rd reason for excitement this week:

Paul Babcock’s remarkable speech — the first video from the June 30-July 1 ######-Lindemann conference –  was released, in digital. In this lengthy post I’ll review it.

John ######’s and Peter Lindemann’s presentations always deliver valuable information for experimenters, and now they’ve introduced us to new stars on the scene who reinforce similar messages about innovative energy generators. Babcock’s presentation about magnetism’s secrets is the first of probably four videos that will be sold by the ######-Lindemann conference organizers.

“Magnetism imparts energy!” is Babcock’s message in that video, and “Overunity is how the universe works.” He explains different ways to tap magnetism for a power gain in electrical circuits.

Although Babcock says overunity (more energy output than the measured energy input warrants) is found in processes throughout the universe, he adds that nature places “governors” on it. Nature’s governors prevent the universe from blowing up. His presentation explains how he and his partners developed their own tricks to fool Mother Nature for our benefit, such as designing an electric motor in such a way that nature’s counter-force that usually fights the forward motion of a rotor is reduced or eliminated. His talk also explains why no real law of physics is broken when his team dramatically increases the output of an electrical circuit.

The general drift of his talk is no surprise to researchers who have for years been listening to another brilliant inventor, John ######. One experimenter comments that Babcock’s clear explanations make it easier to understand how ###### could get excess energy from his own “impulse motors.”

I’ll introduce the story of Babcock’s search-for-knowledge and some general areas where he found answers, but you’ll need to buy his full presentation like I did if you want to understand the principles of electricity and magnetism he’s talking about. Please don’t argue here about his message without watching his video!

Paul Babcock ambles onstage dressed in faded blue jeans and plaid shirt. Sporting a ponytail and greying beard, he introduces himself by saying he’s always been a geek. However despite his low-key manner, I’d say he has a large presence, in more than one way. Speaking with firm conviction as well as humor, he openly shares what he’s learned. “All I want to do is give you people the tools to advance the cause. Because I can tell you a lot of stories about what happens when you go out in the world of physics and make claims they don’t like.”

His joking and casual manner almost hides the fact that he’s recognized internationally as an experienced industrial electronics technician, project manager, design engineer, communications and alternative energy expert and that he’s a savvy inventor involved in starting a multi-million dollar business with products based on recovery of magnetic energy. (Products that the alternate-energy and energy conservation marketplace welcome, but not the full gift to humankind that he could build if financial institutions welcomed game-changing electric motors.)

From the time he was a kid Paul played with magnets. Fortunately for us he never lost that sense of play, because while fooling around with magnets he eventually found ways to tap magnetism for a power gain in electrical circuits

In college he learned the laws of classical electrical physics. But during his career out in the world of real electricity he saw things happen that defied understanding. While working with high-powered systems he would see bursts of energy seemingly come out of nowhere. Frustrated by the fact that the bursts of energy didn’t relate to Ohm’s law, through the 1980s he studied the works of alternative theorists such as Thomas Bearden and read John ######’s technical writings. Babcock concluded that something is missing from standard teachings.

His quest for answers intensified in 1988. He was having a bad run of luck while living in Alaska and his right arm was injured in an accident, so during a severe winter he lived in a little cabin, broke and hungry. One night sitting by his kerosene lamp listening to a radio show he heard the show host say his guest was an inventor named Joseph Newman who would talk about a free energy machine.

Babcock didn’t have anything else to do, so he listened to Newman’s claims about magnetism. Intrigued, Babcock scraped up the fifty dollars and bought Newman’s book. “I got this big tome, a huge book…politics and ego and patent wars. But in the middle were 20 pages of absolute brilliance and observation about magnetism. He made this simple observation about magnetism – ‘the power you expend to make a magnetic field has nothing to do with the strength of the magnetic field you create!’”

From then on Babcock was on a quest to learn how Newman’s observation relates to the known laws. How does it relate to the simple algebra of electrical physics? As a result of finding answers, he and his business partners later developed their new technology.

The physics laws named after people such as Ohm, Faraday, Joule, Lenz and Kirchhoff are essential, Babcock says, for anyone who wants to do free-energy work out in the world. His presentation showed which electrical laws are never subject to change and which ones you could skirt around in order to engineer electrical circuits that harness magnetism effectively. He said if you know how to use the laws, you can employ simple algebraic truths to prove to anybody that magnetism is energy. “Or if it is not energy, it begets energy.”

Back to his odyssey: Another “aha!” moment came when he was in Alaska in winter with spare time to sit by the woodstove at a friend’s house. It was the first time he encountered the new super-powerful magnets made from neodymium. The friend handed Babcock two magnets about an inch square and they marveled at the magnets’ super-strong forces of attraction and repulsion. After taking his turn handling the magnets, he reached out to give one back to the friend. Babcock’s hand passed near the cast iron stove and the magnet suddenly leapt off his hand and accelerated as if “from zero to sixty in eight inches.” It hit the stove with such force that the magnet shattered into a dozen pieces.

This huge expression of energy had nothing to do with the energy of his hand’s relatively slow motion. The magnet imparted that energy onto itself, he realized. He hadn’t lit a rocket or burned any fuel to make it speed up so forcefully.

Babcock showed a simple experiment reinforcing his point that magnetism is an expression of energy. It involves two projectiles of the same weight and dimensions each traveling the same distance toward a target. In one scenario, the materials used are non-magnetic and in the other they are magnetic. Watch the experiment and try it!

Babcock said that when he demonstrated his insights to graduate students, university gatekeepers threw him out. He took it in stride, realizing that, for career reasons, some people cannot listen.

Why did he and his partners choose the name Flyback Energy for their business? Other experts in magnetism and electricity try to get rid of flyback. Flyback is the burst of energy that suddenly appears when an electrical current’s flow through a conductor is interrupted and as a result the magnetic field that had been produced by current flow collapses, creating an electrical discharge. The disruptive burst is also called Reverse Electromotive Force or Flyback Electrical Discharge.

The Flyback Energy company partners turn a problem into a solution and are in the business of magnetic energy recovery. Physicists tell Babcock that the flyback electrical kick is not energy. He insists that it is, and he presents ample evidence.

What does this mean for us in the general public? I see it as meaning that if a previously unharnessed type of clean energy has been overlooked and can be proven to exist, we have no valid excuse for allowing the oil-spill, coal pit, gas fracking and nuclear-waste damage to continue. Breakthroughs such as motors and generators that are even fifty per cent more efficient can be combined with solar and wind power to make standard energy alternatives easily affordable and free us from filthy energy-generating systems. That’s my opinion — admittedly judgmental and emotional.

For Paul Babcock the road to a revolutionary motor design was long, and traveled one step at a time from the moment in 1988 that he realized there doesn’t have to be a fixed relationship between the amount of electrical energy expended into a circuit and the amount of magnetic flux created. He learned the tricks regarding electrical resistance and other factors that can change the end result.

One of the video clips in his presentation demonstrated a simple experiment with plasma arcs. The output energy as shown by the size and heat of sparks and melting of metal rods dramatically increased when he used a large inductive resistor compared to a smaller mass, but the mathematical expression for what he was doing hadn’t changed.

After countless experiments to learn how to catch very brief electrical bursts and store them for later use, he and his partners made a breakthrough with another factor — limiting the amount of circuit “on” time in order to limit how many joules of input energy had to be used. “A point is reached where the joules of energy discharged by the Reverse Electromotive Force of the conductor exceeds the amount of Joules of energy consumed by the circuit,” Babcock explains.

It seems that the Conservation of Energy rule doesn’t really apply to the team’s wizardry.

In my non-technical view, the high point of Babcock’s talk was a clip from a video professionally made by his brother nearly ten years ago and never before shown to a public audience. It includes action shots of an unusual fast-switching motor — the culmination of all the things the team had learned, built into one prototype device.

The clip begins by acknowledging the standard belief about limitations to the amount of horsepower that electric motors can make for a given amount of electrical watts. Ever since the first electric motor more than 130 years ago, scientists and engineers have accepted the limitation that counter-motive induction slaps onto motor design, and they believe there’s no way to conquer that limitation. They teach that the only way to increase speed and horsepower is to increase the input voltage.

But by combining proprietary switching and other now-patented technologies and processes, Babcock’s direct current electric motor eliminates or radically reduces countermotive induction and the effects of Lenz’ law, the narrator of the video clip says. This makes it possible to increase motor speeds and thus increase horsepower without the need to increase voltage and total input power. The new design concept makes it possible to build electric motors that are electrically much more efficient than conventional motors.

Babcock says the mathematics shows that this kind of motor could possibly produce a mechanical horsepower output for as little as 200 watts of electrical input per horsepower. (I’m looking at two regular 100-watt lightbulbs as I realize how little energy it might take to run that motor.)

Before the showing at the ######-Lindemann conference, why had no public audience ever seen that video clip? Paul Babcock explains. “We made that video almost ten years ago, and we buried it. Because all it got us was trouble.”

When trying to raise funding to build a company, he explains, telling the truth about how world-changing your discovery is may create resistance in the status quo. He and his team ten years ago were younger “and kind of naive, thinking ‘Hey we have a great thing. The world is going to welcome us with open arms.’ Wrong. It’s time to get your beating for doing good work. And it really set us back,” Babcock adds, “in the world of finance and business anyway.”

When is his company going to take that revolutionary prototype shown in the film and develop it into a commercial motor? Not until he can pay the million-dollar cost of product development himself, Babcock tells us vehemently. Not until he doesn’t have to beg for startup money and go to financial institutions for funding. In the meantime, Flyback Energy is happily in the business of making acceptable helpful products.

The Magnetic Secrets video doesn’t provide his company’s proprietary schematics for how to build a motor of course, but Babcock gives enough information in the hour-long talk that any experimenter can test the principles. I hope that thousands of engineers and physicists end up watching Paul Babcock’s presentation. Better yet, hundreds of thousands of experimenters…

(PS. The ######-Lindemann conference had a friendly atmosphere and attendees from the Pacific Northwest and around the world who praised the quality of information conveyed, and for the most part it ran smoothly. My own presentation on July 1 however was cause for retirement. The Powerpoint with my photos was too byte-heavy to be run from a thumb drive, so the equipment took on a mind of its own and distracted me from what I’d planned to present. It was a learning experience.)
Another PS, another learning… I’m drawing attention to a comment that relates to this blogpost.  Hal Freeman wrote today:  “I think there’s a little technical mistake in the text. Where we read “conductor” should be “inductor”. The inductor is the one that have the property of causing flyback or Reverse eletromotive force. Just to help clarify readers, as a matter of fact, a inductor is just a conductor wrapped in coils. Best Regards, Hal Freeman”

I wonder if his company has any products for sale?   and if these are ou.....  

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I watched that presentation and couldn't hold back the laughter.

One of the biggest blowhards I have ever seen, new "juggler" in PL's free energy circus.

The "vaporware mutual admiration society" grows with cheer leading on the sidelines by Manning

Association with this group will seriously damage your credibility.

Just my opinion, after all, you asked for comments.

Are retracted to read the following:

I watched that presentation and saw a pattern.

Maybe you can find the pattern.

Just my opinion, after all, you asked for comments.

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I watched that presentation and couldn't hold back the laughter.

One of the biggest blowhards I have ever seen, new "juggler" in PL's free energy circus.

The "vaporware mutual admiration society" grows with cheer leading on the sidelines by Manning

Association with this group will seriously damage your credibility.

Just my opinion, after all, you asked for comments.



I'm not interested in ad hominems, Ion.  "one of the biggest blowhards" "vaporware " etc. 
 -- substantive comments are sought.

 Nor does the tiresome "credibility" argument particularly sway me -- I am willing to LOOK and DO EXPERIMENTS regardless of epithets and ad hominem fallacies.

So I found the company which Paul B referred to -- here is the website:
http://www.flybackenergy.com/index.php/energy-savings/applications/


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FlyBack Energy's® M8130 intelligent Variable Power Drive (iVPD) is a patented power management solution that helps owners of commercial and industrial electrical motor driven systems to lower their energy cost. Our Magnetic Energy Recovery (MER) technology captures energy otherwise lost to heat and enables precise control of voltage and current levels in motors under any load condition.

This is what Paul talks about -- Magnetic Energy Recovery.  Does it lead to ou?  don't know yet without hard evidence/experiments.

More from the website:
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A TECHNOLOGICAL BREAKTHROUGH

FlyBack Energy® has solved an age old energy loss problem with a technological breakthrough. Electromagnetic (heat) energy losses – in inductive circuits and power conversion processes – have been a persistent and seemingly unsolvable industry problem for the last 125 years. Today, expensive energy is still being wasted due to the uncontrolled electromagnetic collapse in inductive devices and processes. Solving this problem is one of the key elements of becoming energy-efficient.
Infrared Photo of Ballast Heat
Demonstration of MER's energy savings from prevention of heat loss

Tenacious and committed, the founders of FlyBack Energy dedicated their time, money, and energy to solving the electromagnetic energy loss problem. They focused their research on totally controlling the rise and collapse of magnetic fields present in inductive circuits, equipment and processes. After years of methodical experimentation, the FlyBack Energy team has created and patented practical breakthrough magnetic energy recovery (MER) technology.
PATENTED TECHNOLOGY

With this patented technology, FlyBack Energy is actively developing reliable products to truly capture and recover magnetic energy losses – and then insert that otherwise wasted energy back into the power circuit. The FlyBack Energy technology also mitigates problematic harmonic resonance, electromagnetic interference (EMI), excessive heat and other induction issues.

This exciting technology provides perfect control of induction and resistive devices, and power conversion processes between AC and DC electrical systems. FlyBack Energy solutions result in lower energy cost, cooler operating temperatures and longer useful life for lighting system components, transformers, motors and controllers.
VIABLE SOLUTIONS

iLES Lighting Energy Savers

The breakthrough was not easy. But after years of effort, FlyBack Energy is proud of the results. FlyBack Energy’s Magnetic Energy Recovery technology creates value across a wide range of electromagnetic applications. Most electrical input supply can be cost effectively switched and controlled, including such traditional sources as AC grid power, fuel-fired and hydro-generated power, and DC sources such as solar cells, wind generation and battery arrays. We are actively developing new products to serve most types of electrical loads – where long life, high reliability, energy savings, improved power factors, output control, and high electrical efficiency are valued.

I'm particularly interested in exploring these:

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POWER INVERTERS

    * High reliability and efficiency
    * Operates at line frequency
    * Transformer AC output at any voltage from 120V – 12KV

More info

 
DC to DC CONVERTERS

    * Reliable
    * Low Loss
    * Any voltage, in or out
    * FOR TELECOM TOWERS AND PLANTS:
          o Backup battery strings
          o Data center power supply
          o Renewable energy conversion

More info


Is this "circus"? --  these guys are DOING SOMETHING!
   
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"substantive comments are sought"

Now you are qualifying it, I thought it was just "comments" you wanted.

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Comments welcomed!

I also reviewed their website and listened to some of the .mp3's before forming an opinion.

As a designer of flyback energy converters in my past professional career, many of which are still being sold, I know how to spot empty rhetoric in this field when I hear it.

Where are the peer reviewed technical papers and presentations to e.g IEEE ?

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  I've tried to make it clear in various posts that ad hominem fallacies are not welcomed. 

I'm listening to the CEO of Flyback Energy in Spokane, radio program.


Sounds like a going concern.  21 employees as of fall 2011, including co-founder Paul Babcock I understand from this:

http://www.spokanecenter.biz/mp3/11-09-29-Overby.mp3
   
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Where are the peer reviewed technical papers and presentations to legitimate groups such as  IEEE ?

Flyback energy recovery circuitry is well known in the art and is the basis of numerous patents. Many have a slightly different twist on how to do it.

Since you are offended by my comments, I will edit them out.

Flyback Energy Inc. is looking for a million dollars or more in investments. Maybe you can help them out.



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Nor does the tiresome "credibility" argument particularly sway me -- I am willing to LOOK and DO EXPERIMENTS regardless of epithets and ad hominem fallacies.

I agree, when people put credibility before science and real facts the outcome is usually a lack of credibility for all involved.

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As a designer of flyback energy converters in my past professional career, many of which are still being sold, I know how to spot empty rhetoric in this field when I hear it.

I have found that sometimes a lack of communication skills is a good thing because when we are trained to talk just like everyone else this usually implies we were trained to think just like them as well  -- the sheep factor. Logically any extraordinary claim made by a perfectly ordinary person should raise warning flags because there is nothing extraordinary about being ordinary.
I should also note that I have been designing and building flyback and boost converters for over 20 years non-professionally, in one case I built a flyback converter which was sealed in a 6" by 6" box and it would destroy most all electronics within five or six feet. It would also cause all metallic objects within a few feet of the device to arc over to one another the VAD up to 1/2" in many cases, imagine throwing 40 nuts and bolts onto a plastic sheet and seeing all arcing over to one another, have you ever seen anything like that in your professional career?, I didn't think so.
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I agree, when people put credibility before science and real facts the outcome is usually a lack of credibility for all involved.
This from a fellow who just hours ago was saying something quite the opposite  C.C:
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=363.msg24796#msg24796

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I have found that sometimes a lack of communication skills is a good thing because when we are trained to talk just like everyone else this usually implies we were trained to think just like them as well  -- the sheep factor. Logically any extraordinary claim made by a perfectly ordinary person should raise warning flags because there is nothing extraordinary about being ordinary.
Cut the sarcasm, it's quite offensive.

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...have you ever seen anything like that in your professional career?, I didn't think so.
Stop being an arsehole AC. ION is one of the most experienced and respectable people on this forum. You have very little idea what he has seen and experienced.


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Ok I will lay off however I will point out it doesn't feel very good to be criticized does it?, and if they want to play their games and not expect anybody to step up to the plate and challenge them intellectually then they had better think before posting. I'm all for rational debate but that's not what this is in my opinion.


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Ok I will lay off however I will point out it doesn't feel very good to be criticized does it?
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Hi Steve, I think everyone realizes that there are gains to be had from inductive kickback, after all that is what the main advantage of pulse width modulation after speed and torque control, but it is worth going over it again

We do a short pulse and then we get an inductive kickback of equal power less losses, this is due to the coils attempt to maintain current. This current also gives magnetism in the coil and therefore motive force in a motor. This is the gain everyone knows about and by itself it isn't enough for what we need.

Now listen to what Babcock says, he collects the current of the inductive kickback in a capacitor and uses it in the next pulse with a top up from the source. I have been talking about this for a long time and this recovery brings us very close to what we need to do but isn't quite there because the losses are too high caused by the way we make motors nowadays.

Babcock also talks about the relationship between current and motor power, this is also key. If we create a coils of the same number of turns regardless of wire size the magnetic field will be the same if the resistance is the same but as soon as we lower the resistance we can achieve the same torque with the same current at a lower voltage. This is easy to test. This means that the torque of a motor is not in a direct relationship with the electrical power, only the amps and number of turns. Lower the resistance and you lower the input power requirement for a given output. The problem her is that the motors would have to be massive in dimensions to approach all our requirements for a modest power output.

In my tests I failed to achieve overunity in mechanical power when compared to electrical input although the heat and mechanical power produced appeared to be more than the input. OK I did not have the test equipment to prove this so lets call it a speculation. What my tests did show is I needed a lower resistance to reduce input voltage input and heat produced.

With all this in mind we need more to tip the balance and provide overunity and there are many ways to do this. I have been looking at the transformer interactions in the coils combining multiple functions on the same iron core effectively getting a motor, generator and transformer all operating simultaneously with only one set of iron losses, efficiency improvements if you like. What did Babcock say? Eliminate BEMF. So how do we do this?

He talked about very briefly, two methods he is using in his motor. The first is to open circuit the coils that are influenced by the rotating magnetic field, there can be no emf at all in an open circuit. The second is geometry, did you notice the orientation of the coils? he has moved them through 90 degrees, I am proposing to do something not too different on the lockridge although I do not have a full understanding of that technique.

Next he talked about something that I have been trying to do for a while, how you get current to flow against an inductance in a pulsed circuit. How his coils would only draw a few milliamps on the mains yet he is pulsing 3 amps through them at high frequency. He didn't say how he did it as far as I can tell but this is very very significant and I want to know more.

It sounds to me as if Mr Babcock does have something.

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Thanks for taking a serious look, Mike: 

Hi Steve, I think everyone realizes that there are gains to be had from inductive kickback, after all that is what the main advantage of pulse width modulation after speed and torque control, but it is worth going over it again

We do a short pulse and then we get an inductive kickback of equal power less losses, this is due to the coils attempt to maintain current. This current also gives magnetism in the coil and therefore motive force in a motor. This is the gain everyone knows about and by itself it isn't enough for what we need.

Now listen to what Babcock says, he collects the current of the inductive kickback in a capacitor and uses it in the next pulse with a top up from the source. I have been talking about this for a long time and this recovery brings us very close to what we need to do but isn't quite there because the losses are too high caused by the way we make motors nowadays.

Babcock also talks about the relationship between current and motor power, this is also key. If we create a coils of the same number of turns regardless of wire size the magnetic field will be the same if the resistance is the same but as soon as we lower the resistance we can achieve the same torque with the same current at a lower voltage. This is easy to test. This means that the torque of a motor is not in a direct relationship with the electrical power, only the amps and number of turns. Lower the resistance and you lower the input power requirement for a given output. The problem her is that the motors would have to be massive in dimensions to approach all our requirements for a modest power output.

In my tests I failed to achieve overunity in mechanical power when compared to electrical input although the heat and mechanical power produced appeared to be more than the input. OK I did not have the test equipment to prove this so lets call it a speculation. What my tests did show is I needed a lower resistance to reduce input voltage input and heat produced.

With all this in mind we need more to tip the balance and provide overunity and there are many ways to do this. I have been looking at the transformer interactions in the coils combining multiple functions on the same iron core effectively getting a motor, generator and transformer all operating simultaneously with only one set of iron losses, efficiency improvements if you like. What did Babcock say? Eliminate BEMF. So how do we do this?

He talked about very briefly, two methods he is using in his motor. The first is to open circuit the coils that are influenced by the rotating magnetic field, there can be no emf at all in an open circuit.
The second is geometry, did you notice the orientation of the coils? he has moved them through 90 degrees, I am proposing to do something not too different on the lockridge although I do not have a full understanding of that technique.

Good observation!   I had not noticed that before in his video.

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Next he talked about something that I have been trying to do for a while, how you get current to flow against an inductance in a pulsed circuit. How his coils would only draw a few milliamps on the mains yet he is pulsing 3 amps through them at high frequency. He didn't say how he did it as far as I can tell but this is very very significant and I want to know more.

It sounds to me as if Mr Babcock does have something.

Yes, this is what caught my attention also -- how does he get 3 amps to flow through a large coil, pulsing at high frequency?

THAT IS THE KEY IMHO.   Namecalling aside for a moment, how can one do this trick? 
   
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Gents, I have been very disappointed that the immediate reactions to positive claims (not just those of Paul Babcock of "Flyback Energy" inc.) include:

1.  Ad hominem attacks
2.  Chest beating and appeals to authority (I'm an authority, an EXPERIENCED bla bla...)
3.  Applying guilt by association

All three of these are logical fallacies and really have no place in a scientific endeavor.  IMHO.  One can see all of these in the thread above. IMHO. 
We'll have to find someplace else for serious discussion, sorry.
 
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Thanks for taking a serious look, Mike: 

Good observation!   I had not noticed that before in his video.

Yes, this is what caught my attention also -- how does he get 3 amps to flow through a large coil, pulsing at high frequency?

THAT IS THE KEY IMHO.   Namecalling aside for a moment, how can one do this trick? 

I don't know what he is doing but this is what I am trying.

The premiss is to pulse the coil at a faster rate than resonant frequency of the coil so that the inductive kickback time is maximized when compared to the input time, I have been trying to do this but with commutators to do the timing it is difficult to be so precise. In simulations we can pulse the coil and allow the inductive kickback to occur but just before the current stops we pulse again. This causes a ramp up in current just as in normal PWM. Pulse duration is around 45 to 50% and it is a sweet spot because if you pulse too long the current rapidly ramps up rapidly and you burn out your motor. If you pulse too short the inductive kickback dissipates and the current does not rise.

With pulses that are a little too short you have to increase voltage until the motor speeds up increasing the pulse frequency but as the voltage rises you will reach this sweet spot area. This is the danger point because the ramp up in current can be rapid, burning out the motor and I have burned out many. If the current is too high you have to drop the voltage down until you reach the sweet spot. (by the way thanks again for the variac and 2Kw motor)

On real tests I am coming to the conclusion that the resistance of carbon brushes is also a problem

On simulations I can do this but in practice using commutators it is not so easy. Remember this sweet spot is not everything, you need very low resistance, relatively high inductance and relatively high efficiency. A true efficiency of 70% is needed, something most universal motors are nowhere near, another reason I have been working on other efficiency techniques.

When I have time I will watch the video a few more times to see if I missed something

When you have tested these very things that Babcock talked about, it makes a lot of sense. OK I haven't got a running device yet but I am trying. Some say very trying Joke Joke Joke

What do you think?
   
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Gents, I have been very disappointed that the immediate reactions to positive claims (not just those of Paul Babcock of "Flyback Energy" inc.) include:
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2.  Chest beating and appeals to authority (I'm an authority, an EXPERIENCED bla bla...)
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All three of these are logical fallacies and really have no place in a scientific endeavor.  IMHO.  One can see all of these in the thread above. IMHO. 
We'll have to find someplace else for serious discussion, sorry.

I think many like to speak of science but few practice it, as such many make assumptions without any real facts.

I like to think of it this way, I have a motor painted black and it can run with no apparent source of power. Now in reality the black color is a thin film solar coating which powers the motor however it is not apparent to 99.99% of people. Here we could conclude that appearances and assumptions play a major role not science and it is easy for anyone who has no facts to jump to conclusions such as to assume this "solar motor" is impossible or a scam. Now we could simply replace our solar source with another "unknown" external source and produce the same result and the motor would seem to be just as impossible.

This is where science comes in and real science is not about judging anything without the facts it is about finding the true facts of the matter without bias. Thankfully we have some real scientific people here such as yourself otherwise this site would probably take on some kind of cult status and it already has to some extent because of the completely unjustified criticism taking place.
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I think many like to speak of science but few practice it, as such many make assumptions without any real facts.
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This is where science comes in and real science is not about judging anything without the facts it is about finding the true facts of the matter without bias. Thankfully we have some real scientific people here ...otherwise this site would probably take on some kind of cult status and it already has to some extent because of the completely unjustified criticism taking place.
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Well said, AC.   An interesting point about "cult status" also, and another reason for looking for another venue.

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When I have time I will watch the video a few more times to see if I missed something

When you have tested these very things that Babcock talked about, it makes a lot of sense. OK I haven't got a running device yet but I am trying. Some say very trying Joke Joke Joke

What do you think?

I think you show admirable tenacity, Mike -- stick with it!   I'm trying things with moving parts and commutators, avoiding some of the problems you mention.  But that doesn't mean your approach is not viable.  Did Paul's "super motor" have commutators?
   
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Thanks for the encouragement, it helps motivate me.

Paul used electronic timing and switches
   
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I am re watching the video again to see what I have missed.

From around 32 mins into the video Mr Babcock talks about something very important, the coil's "resistance to change in current" and his solution "zero stating the inductor" This is, put simply, pulsing the coil and collecting the inductive kickback in a capacitor until the coil is discharged so that you always start from a de-energized state in the coil. I have been doing this for some years now but still don't get the desired current I want. This could be because of two reasons as I see it...

1) I am using commutators to provide the pulse and as the motor increases in speed the frequency changes. There does seem to be sweet spots in frequency but at these frequencies my motor does not have significant power as the speed is either too low or too high causing the motor to drop speed dramatically under load taking it off the sweet spot. This is suggesting that I do not have the right inductance for this mechanical setup.

2) I am expecting too much power from the size of motor I am using.

My motor is a 220v 2Kw universal motor but I am driving it with considerably lower voltage.

The problem I see with Paul's solution is that the from a zero state it takes time for the current to rise against the inductance, he says he is using 300mH coils yet drawing 3 amps!!! and I don't know how he does that at the frequency he talks about.
   

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It's not as complicated as it may seem...
Try to remember that the tau for an LR circuit is L/R. So as R decreases, tau increases.

So if the coil windings are quite low in resistance, the tau could be quite long, and as such, it is futile trying to reach a sweet spot. In such a case, every spot is a sweet spot really.

It's only when the coil resistance becomes significant that you need to try to obtain optimal timing. In this case, as the motor speeds up, you would need to lower the pulse width in relation to rpm so that you can always fully de-energize the coil, meanwhile maintaining an optimum energizing pulse to it (i.e. not over-energizing it where you would be wasting power in the resistance).


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forgive me for my ignorance, what is "tau"?

I can make adjustments to pulse width by moving the brushes but with a commutator the frequency is related to the motor speed so the only control of that I have, is with voltage.
   

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forgive me for my ignorance, what is "tau"?

I can make adjustments to pulse width by moving the brushes but with a commutator the frequency is related to the motor speed so the only control of that I have, is with voltage.

Tau is the time constant.


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It's not as complicated as it may seem...
I can make adjustments to pulse width by moving the brushes but with a commutator the frequency is related to the motor speed so the only control of that I have, is with voltage.
I understand.

Varying the voltage will not allow you to optimize the energize/de-energize cycle. You need to vary the PW in real time as the rpm changes.

You can only do this by using an rpm sensor and PW modulation circuit.


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I understand.

Varying the voltage will not allow you to optimize the energize/de-energize cycle. You need to vary the PW in real time as the rpm changes.

You can only do this by using an rpm sensor and PW modulation circuit.

Thanks for the explanation.

Agreed, reluctantly ;D As you are probably aware I am trying to produce a lockridge device but at every stage as I work out how it worked I see there are so many balances I have to make, trading one thing off against another and obviously the resistance/inductance is another. I am convinced it is possible but it may prove too difficult for me with a commutator timing system and so far that has been the case :-[ I have read about how overunity devices, have to be individually tuned so it isn't as simple as coming up with the plans and building it but my experiments are teaching me what is a good thing and what isn't.

Now I understand why a fellow researcher told me resistance can be my friend in certain circumstances, where I always considered it an enemy. I do believe that low resistance remains a key but now I have to consider lowering the inductance but that will raise frequency, yet another trade off.

Pulse width modulation could also prove problematic as bipolar switching is involved, this is probably the reason why Paul fried so many transistors but I have a way round that.

   
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