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Author Topic: 10KW - Quantum Energy Generator - open source  (Read 29166 times)
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Have just read through this topic and would like to offer my thoughts.  It is the coils connected to a capacitor that caught my eye, and this may well be the reason it could work.  The attached paper was written some years ago after studying Prof Turtur's motor claims and demonstrates that a capacitive load plus some magnetic delay can produce OU.  This can occur in transformers but also in PM motors.  If so the simple coil capacitor configuration of the QEG might not be the optimum arrangement.  It would be better to have multiple coils and capacitors to create some additional magnetic delay.  The second paper deals with magnetic delay lines to demonstrate that they can produce negative input resistance.  The third paper looks at magnetic delay in a slightly different light.

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Thanks Smudge

The device outlined in the third paper is definitely on my "to do" list.


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Fits right along with the Johnson side by side motor/generator. The two fields interacting with each other. This is why the Torres configuration on a single shaft does not work.


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Thanks Smudge

The device outlined in the third paper is definitely on my "to do" list.

Thanks again, Smudge.  Very interesting.
I've also given thought to the effects of finite propagation times for the magnetic (and electric) fields, as discussed in other threads.
 
But here we find detailed equations and solutions - intriguing indeed.

I agree with ION that experiments are needed.  Or hasn't someone done experiments along the lines of the third paper already?  The paper seems so theoretical, but points to the need for actual experiments.
   
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Been looking at the QEG in more detail.  Did a FEMM simulation to establish how the inductance of the 3100 turn coils changes with rotor movement.  The chart shows the inductance going from 20 H when the rotor is in line with the spigots to 5H when the rotor moves 45 degrees (originally I said 22.5 degrees but that was wrong), half way between the spigots.  And that is with an air gap 0.033 inch (the smallest I could do in FEMM) whereas the drawing shows a gap of 0.013 inch.  So the real thing would have an even higher maximum inductance!.  Those values are too high for the claimed 400Hz resonance.  But of course it all depends on the actual mu of the materials used, and FEMM may not reproduce the correct value.

So turning to parametric pumping of the high voltage tank circuit, I did a simulation in Excel using a clipped cos^2 function as the best fit to the inductance (see chart).  That huge inductance change is somewhat overkill for such pumping, you get better results with smaller changes, but it does pump the voltage up to high kilovolt  levels and then you can extract power.  I simply include a series resistor in that tank circuit and calculate the power in that.  That eliminates the need for the other winding (but it would be required to step down the voltage in a practical design).  I can adjust the rotation speed to match the LC resonance of that tank circuit for maximum pump action.  When I get something that works well I will modify my FEMM to create the correct inductance changes (like thinner spigots so as to get inductance spikes over smaller degrees), then apply the Excel results to the coils in FEMM to discover the torque waveform and power input.  All this so far without any magnetic delay.

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I have simple question if somebody could answer me, please. IS there any video where hey clearly shown a working QEG powering 10kW load  without takign much from the grid ? Please give me a link
   

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I have simple question if somebody could answer me, please. IS there any video where hey clearly shown a working QEG powering 10kW load  without takign much from the grid ? Please give me a link

I think there is somewhere a video of this done many years ago, here is a link by PL stating that they obtained a 1.2 cop

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/16853-qeg-positive-critics-builders-thread.html#post254432

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Here is a patent application

http://www.rexresearch.com/ecklin/ecklin.htm

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I think there is somewhere a video of this done many years ago, here is a link by PL stating that they obtained a 1.2 cop

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/16853-qeg-positive-critics-builders-thread.html#post254432

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Well that 1.2 COP is interesting.  Whilst I agree with the author of that critique that there is little to be gained by just replicating what others have done and spending much time and effort getting nowhere, I think the exercise should be discovering where the extra energy comes from.  And that could lead to better systems for extracting that energy.  I have strong opinions on how energy can be extracted from the electron spins responsible for magnetism, and that applies to soft materials as well as PM's.  So I am looking at the thing from a theoretical viewpoint and especially in the magnetic domain.  My simulations help me understand the inner workings and particularly the timings or phase shifts involved.  I am convinced that with proper phases between the mechanical movement and the electrical or magnetic waveforms we will get the situation where over part of a cycle the closed E field that creates voltage in a coil is of a phase that extracts energy from the electron spins (i.e. tries to slow them down) that is not given back later in the cycle.  I think also this can happen in transformers that are used well outside their normal operating conditions.  All that rubbish in the QEG manual about the exciter circuit extracting zpe energy is IMO nonsense.

I am at the moment looking at an inductance variation waveform that holds the inductance constant over most of the cycle, then changes to a higher value for just a short time (and that would be a significant change of QEG geometry).  That gives me a reasonable sine wave output as decided by the LC circuit, with little pulses occurring in synch with the waveform as decided by the RPM.  That seems to be the best sort of parametric pumping, and does the right thing keeping the circuit oscillating whilst delivering power to a load.  So what goes on during those pulses is something I am looking into.  It seems that the leading edge of the rising inductance has the effect of reducing the current whilst the trailing edge of falling inductance has the opposite effect but introduces a greater rise than the preceding fall.  Now that might translate into a mechanical drag overall but that remains to be seen.  The 1.2 COP obtained by various experimenters suggests not.

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