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Itsu	Re: partzmans board ATL « Reply #200 on: 2021-02-03, 09:46:38 »
Group: Elite Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 4695	PM, interesting, looking forward to your solution on the dilemma Itsu

partzman	Re: partzmans board ATL « Reply #201 on: 2021-02-03, 16:38:12 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 2232	Quote from: Itsu on 2021-02-03, 09:46:38 PM, interesting, looking forward to your solution on the dilemma Itsu Itsu, Yes, it is a simple solution. At the moment I am exploring the options of IP protection before giving the concept away as this is the only way of protecting against patent theft IMO from the large corporations, etc. I am open to any and all ideas on this subject. Pm

Itsu	Re: partzmans board ATL « Reply #202 on: 2021-02-03, 19:54:16 »
Group: Elite Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 4695	Partzman, ok, understood. Not sure if the members able of reading here will have any idea, i know verpies would. My idea would be to work via a VPN, like nordvpn.com Itsu

PhysicsProf	Re: partzmans board ATL « Reply #203 on: 2021-02-08, 05:10:31 »
Group: Professor Hero Member Posts: 3230	Quote from: partzman on 2021-02-02, 22:17:42 All, New info will be posted here over the upcoming future but first a little review. It is important to understand the basics before continuing on. Pm

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Re: partzmans board ATL « Reply #204 on: 2021-02-08, 18:45:35 »

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All,

I am rethinking my position on IP protection! I was telling Chet the other day that Facebook currently holds over 9,000 patents of very types of technology according to my latest IEEE publication. The little guy doesn't stand a chance against such corporate giants in the patent arena. Time is short for our world in it's present state as well as each of us. Therefore, I am going to divulge what I know over the next few days and risk that some unscrupulous individual or corporation will patent the technology and lock out the little guys from manufacturing it.

The only protection I will use is copyright.

Pm

CITFTA	Re: partzmans board ATL « Reply #205 on: 2021-02-08, 21:30:11 »
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Re: partzmans board ATL « Reply #206 on: 2021-02-09, 14:19:54 »

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Quote from: partzman on 2021-02-08, 18:45:35

All,

I am rethinking my position on IP protection! I was telling Chet the other day that Facebook currently holds over 9,000 patents of very types of technology according to my latest IEEE publication. The little guy doesn't stand a chance against such corporate giants in the patent arena. Time is short for our world in it's present state as well as each of us. Therefore, I am going to divulge what I know over the next few days and risk that some unscrupulous individual or corporation will patent the technology and lock out the little guys from manufacturing it.

The only protection I will use is copyright.

Pm

Let's talk about this. One approach is to seek several replications before divulging details publicly, with an agreed-upon date and time for revealing the new technology to humanity. An NDA would keep all replicators quiet until that very day and time.
I believe that if the disclosure was done 1st by the inventor (say 10 minutes before the replicators) then by a bunch of replicators - world-wide - then the new invention would at that point be unstoppable. Ideally, the form of the device would be such that it could be rather easily replicated, a simplified version perhaps. Get it into the press also, to make the information public and widespread so that it could not be suppressed.

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Re: partzmans board ATL « Reply #207 on: 2021-03-08, 00:48:07 »

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Quote from: PhysicsProf on 2021-02-09, 14:19:54

Let's talk about this. One approach is to seek several replications before divulging details publicly, with an agreed-upon date and time for revealing the new technology to humanity. An NDA would keep all replicators quiet until that very day and time.
I believe that if the disclosure was done 1st by the inventor (say 10 minutes before the replicators) then by a bunch of replicators - world-wide - then the new invention would at that point be unstoppable. Ideally, the form of the device would be such that it could be rather easily replicated, a simplified version perhaps. Get it into the press also, to make the information public and widespread so that it could not be suppressed.

Hey Prof,

I evidently missed this post so I apologize for the late response!

The present dilemma involves perhaps a question of forum security from certain hackers. I'm not criticizing Peter or Darrin but it is a problem that needs to be addressed because I don't feel comfortable disclosing to some hacker critical information that has taken me years to develop. So, I will continue to post a little more info but I'm not yet willing to give a full disclosure.

I agree with your premise above but the initial disclosure and replications should happen under the most protected environment IMO.

Regards,
Pm

partzman	Re: partzmans board ATL « Reply #208 on: 2021-03-08, 00:53:35 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 2232	OK, here is short paper which may or may not be of any interest. It sheds a little more light on how an ordinary transformer can be considered quite an asymmetrical device. Regards, Pm Asymmetry in a Standard Two Winding Transformer.pdf (589.61 kB - downloaded 33 times.)

partzman	Re: partzmans board ATL « Reply #209 on: 2021-04-21, 16:12:45 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 2232	All, After these past months of bench work on the aforementioned designs, I am sorry to say that the end results have been conservative, not producing any excess energy as previously thought. Regards, Pm

Itsu	Re: partzmans board ATL « Reply #210 on: 2021-04-21, 16:46:44 »
Group: Elite Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 4695	Thanks PM, sorry to hear, but surely you gained some knowledge along the line which is good. Itsu

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Re: partzmans board ATL « Reply #211 on: 2021-04-21, 17:23:04 »

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Quote from: partzman on 2021-04-21, 16:12:45

All,

After these past months of bench work on the aforementioned designs, I am sorry to say that the end results have been conservative, not producing any excess energy as previously thought.

Regards,
Pm

Pm,

There is no negative results in science. Every result increase knowledge.
And sometimes idea require hundred years to became a practical thing.
Don't give up.

Regards,
Vasik

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Re: partzmans board ATL « Reply #212 on: 2021-05-22, 21:28:33 »

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New operating conditions for the RLE concept. This new approach operates at the self resonance frequency of the constant current inductor Lcc.

In the example below, this frequency is 498kHz at 50% duty cycle. There is a burst of 6 cycles applied by the mosfet driver "Gen" to the bucking primary coils L1 and L2. With these two coils fixed on the outer legs of the EC52 core, the secondary L3 is induced with a resulting voltage potential that forces the current in Lcc to increase. The RLE or Reduced Lenz Effect is responsible for the gain achieved in this circuit although it has help as noted below.

The first scope pix is the input power measurement of CH1*CH4 which is seen to be 349mw over 13.568us. This equates to an input energy of .349*13.568e-6 = 4.735uJ.

The 2nd scope pix shows the beginning current in Lcc which is 405.9ma and the third pix shows the ending current in Lcc which is 409.0ma. Please note that these measurements were taken with more than full screen deflection which means the vertical resolution is somewhere between 8 and bits and the horizontal sample rate is 2.5Gs/S. I will also point out that the capacitance of Lcc has fulled discharged as is evidenced by the mean level of the ending current trace and measurement.

The inductance of Lcc is 27.6mH as determined by large signal measuring techniques not a low level inductance meter.

So the output energy developed in Lcc is ((.409^2)-(.4059^2)*.0276/2 = 34.861uJ . Therefore, the apparent COP = 34.861/4.735 = 7.362.

This is still in the conceptual stage even as a bench device because all the required switching components are not is place to attempt looping , etc.

This same device when operated at a lower multiple of the resonant frequency did produce solid gains in the 1.1 to 1.15 range which was never considered enough to attempt looping. In the lower frequency device, the current gain in Lcc was greater than the applied voltage should have produced. My theory is that the A field is reinforced in the secondary with this transformer configuration but at the higher frequencies it may be the E field producing the greater gains.

Edit: It should also be noted that energy is still retained in T1 as evidenced by the remaining current level in L1 and L2 after clamping Lcc. At this time, this energy is being neglected or thrown away.

Regards,
Pm

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partzman	Re: partzmans board ATL « Reply #213 on: 2021-05-22, 22:48:09 »
Group: Moderator Hero Member Posts: 2232	OOps, major error in the fact that the charge energy in L3 is not accounted for in the previous post. Simply slipped by me, sorry for that! Regards, Pm « Last Edit: 2021-12-08, 00:23:40 by partzman »

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Re: partzmans board ATL « Reply #214 on: 2021-05-23, 10:38:04 »

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Hi Pm,

Trying to estimate the possible COP when we account for the input energy put into L3 (if I understood this correctly), what can we get?

With L3=27.6 mH and with its "average" current of say 407.5 mA, its stored energy would be 2.29 mJ and we would need to consider the energy lost in the coil wire resistance to get the possible total input to L3.

Is this approximate approach correct or perhaps a wrong approach?

Thanks for sharing your results.

Gyula

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Re: partzmans board ATL « Reply #215 on: 2021-05-23, 20:24:07 »

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Quote from: gyula on 2021-05-23, 10:38:04

Hi Pm,

Trying to estimate the possible COP when we account for the input energy put into L3 (if I understood this correctly), what can we get?

With L3=27.6 mH and with its "average" current of say 407.5 mA, its stored energy would be 2.29 mJ and we would need to consider the energy lost in the coil wire resistance to get the possible total input to L3.

Is this approximate approach correct or perhaps a wrong approach?

Thanks for sharing your results.

Gyula

Gyula,

Actually the inductance of secondary L3 is 1.57mH and the current source inductor Lcc is 27.6mH. Yes the total energy stored in Lcc is large but we are only interested in the incremental increase during each cycle which will produce the gain.

The reason I was late in responding is that I rechecked all my figures and I did make a mistake which does now indicate that there is a COP>1 overall so not all is lost.

The problem is the initial charge in L3 at the start of a cycle which is ~ .405^2*.00157/2 = 128.76uJ . I had a mistake in my ending current measurement for L3 which is dependent on the phase of the resonant current when the clamp is applied to L3 and Lcc. The two scope pix below show the correct and incorrect measurements.

What is not apparent, when a cycle is complete, the primary and secondary both have positive currents as remainders. With all the windings in a buck mode, the inductance is only 787uH. The resultant energy in T1 is rather complex so I have used an accurate sim to determine the recovery energy in the following example.

When running the device at 20v DC, the input energy is 9.92uJ and the gain in Lcc is 44.6uJ . At the end of a cycle the remaining current in the L1/L2 primary is 102ma and the remainder in L3 is 405ma. Plugging these numbers into the sim, the recovery energy is 102.2uJ . So the overall COP = 44.6/((128.76-102.2)+9.92) = 1.22 . This is better than the lower frequency operation and I think can be improved upon.

Regards,
Jon

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gyula	Re: partzmans board ATL « Reply #216 on: 2021-05-23, 21:24:55 »
Group: Tech Wizard Hero Member Posts: 1316	Hi Jon, Thanks for the correction, and although somehow I mixed Lcc with L3, it was a "good mistake", helping you realize the ending current measurement issue. The COP 1.22 sounds good and is hopefully repeatable in practice. Thanks, Gyula

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Re: partzmans board ATL « Reply #217 on: 2021-07-01, 20:30:14 »

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Well, after many failed tries with various and sundry circuits, I had a thought to use a constant current inductor with one of my previous asymmetrical transmission/delay lines. This Tline is asymmetrical in the fact that there is a copper ground plane positioned under the toroidal wound coil. A pix of the assembly is shown below.

The original idea here was to use a large inductor as the load in the current source ground plane and with a bias or constant current, the effective load would not create any Lenz effect on the Tline. In this example, there is zero bias in the constant current inductor L2 and I was quite surprised at the results.

In the 1st scope pix, CH1(yel) is the signal from the Rigol generator, CH2(blu) is the output voltage, CH4(grn) is the input current, and CHM(red) is the mean input power. In CHM we see the Pin is 21.43mw resulting in an input energy of .02143*2.1282e-6 = 46nJ.

In the 2nd scope pix, CH4 is the current through L2 which is seen to reach a peak value of 14.36ma at time 2.0926us. Although not done in this example, if this current in L2 were clamped at this time, the resultant energy obtained would be .01436^2*.0288/2 = 2.969uJ resulting in an apparent COP = 2.969e-6/46e-9 = 65.1 .

The energy levels here are low but would increase with higher input voltage levels.

Regards,
Pm

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Centraflow	Re: partzmans board ATL « Reply #218 on: 2021-07-02, 11:37:53 »
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Re: partzmans board ATL « Reply #219 on: 2021-07-10, 11:25:15 »

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Quote from: partzman on 2021-07-01, 20:30:14

Well, after many failed tries with various and sundry circuits, I had a thought to use a constant current inductor with one of my previous asymmetrical transmission/delay lines. This Tline is asymmetrical in the fact that there is a copper ground plane positioned under the toroidal wound coil. A pix of the assembly is shown below.

The original idea here was to use a large inductor as the load in the current source ground plane and with a bias or constant current, the effective load would not create any Lenz effect on the Tline. In this example, there is zero bias in the constant current inductor L2 and I was quite surprised at the results.

In the 1st scope pix, CH1(yel) is the signal from the Rigol generator, CH2(blu) is the output voltage, CH4(grn) is the input current, and CHM(red) is the mean input power. In CHM we see the Pin is 21.43mw resulting in an input energy of .02143*2.1282e-6 = 46nJ.

In the 2nd scope pix, CH4 is the current through L2 which is seen to reach a peak value of 14.36ma at time 2.0926us. Although not done in this example, if this current in L2 were clamped at this time, the resultant energy obtained would be .01436^2*.0288/2 = 2.969uJ resulting in an apparent COP = 2.969e-6/46e-9 = 65.1 .

The energy levels here are low but would increase with higher input voltage levels.

Regards,
Pm

PM,

That COP assumes all the current is flowing through L2, whereas L2 will have some self capacitance that will shunt some of the current away from L2. Your results suggest that the self capacitance is shunting most of the current, so it would be sensible to determine what that capacitance is by finding the self resonant frequency of L2. As a matter of interest the C needed to resonate L2 at your drive frequency of 1.389MHz is only 0.456pF, so it could be that the self resonance of L2 is lower than 1.389MHz in which case the capacitance will dominate.

Smudge

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Re: partzmans board ATL « Reply #220 on: 2021-07-19, 15:27:21 »

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Quote from: Smudge on 2021-07-10, 11:25:15

PM,

That COP assumes all the current is flowing through L2, whereas L2 will have some self capacitance that will shunt some of the current away from L2. Your results suggest that the self capacitance is shunting most of the current, so it would be sensible to determine what that capacitance is by finding the self resonant frequency of L2. As a matter of interest the C needed to resonate L2 at your drive frequency of 1.389MHz is only 0.456pF, so it could be that the self resonance of L2 is lower than 1.389MHz in which case the capacitance will dominate.

Smudge

Smudge,

For some reason I missed your post until now so I apologize for that! You are absolutely correct in your analysis which I also came to a day or so after my original post. The SRF of L2 dictated a self capacitance of ~100pf IIRC which accounts for the current waveform seen in the scope traces. Of course the resultant energy then is far less than I originally indicated and the network therefore is far from OU.

I guess I didn't respond with a correction because first, it is rather discouraging to always hit a brick wall and second, there seemed to be little interest so I thought I'll wait to see if anybody catches the mistake. As it appears, you have won the prize of ......... a cheezeburger as TK used to say!

Regards,
Pm

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Re: partzmans board ATL « Reply #221 on: 2021-07-23, 15:32:36 »

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Hi Pm,

I haven't logged on for some time so I too have only just read your post. Glad we are on the same wavelength. Although I don't log on I always have a quick peek and I have been intrigued by David Lowrence's posts (DaveL) and his links to the Keshe Foundation. I considered writing a critique of his theories but decided not to. What made me reconsider is the video he posted in the "What was missing in the early TPU replication" thread
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeH3JKfyvmg
He shows some copper tubes that he claims are nano coated as per the Keshe technology and they have been made to carry vibration energy that he can feel. He shows water in a plastic bottle being energised when placed near a tube. He also tries to wind some insulating tape onto a tube and it "walks" itself along the tube due to the vibrations. Although the water movement could be a bit dodgy (it could be because of his handling of the bottle) that tape movement doesn't look contrived. I am wary of all the Keshe claims for anti-gravity, curing diseases, health benefits etc. but if the nano coating technology does create a superconducting channel on the surface of the copper than I can see the possibility of some form of resonance that is electromagnetic in nature, not necessarily resulting in vibration of the tube but certainly affecting nearby dielectric objects. What do you think?
Smudge

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Re: partzmans board ATL « Reply #222 on: 2021-07-23, 19:12:14 »

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Quote from: Smudge on 2021-07-23, 15:32:36

Hi Pm,

I haven't logged on for some time so I too have only just read your post. Glad we are on the same wavelength. Although I don't log on I always have a quick peek and I have been intrigued by David Lowrence's posts (DaveL) and his links to the Keshe Foundation. I considered writing a critique of his theories but decided not to. What made me reconsider is the video he posted in the "What was missing in the early TPU replication" thread
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeH3JKfyvmg
He shows some copper tubes that he claims are nano coated as per the Keshe technology and they have been made to carry vibration energy that he can feel. He shows water in a plastic bottle being energised when placed near a tube. He also tries to wind some insulating tape onto a tube and it "walks" itself along the tube due to the vibrations. Although the water movement could be a bit dodgy (it could be because of his handling of the bottle) that tape movement doesn't look contrived. I am wary of all the Keshe claims for anti-gravity, curing diseases, health benefits etc. but if the nano coating technology does create a superconducting channel on the surface of the copper than I can see the possibility of some form of resonance that is electromagnetic in nature, not necessarily resulting in vibration of the tube but certainly affecting nearby dielectric objects. What do you think?
Smudge

Hi Smudge,

Well, I first have to say that some things Dave talks about make me curious but I have yet to try any experiments such as copper sphere with the orthogonal windings. He seems to have had some OU success but has not been able to replicate his own work. I am not a sensitive and I can't judge the vibration sensing so I look for any possibility of something we can measure with instrumentation.

I too am curious about the carbon coatings on the wire, etc. I'm willing to attempt to coat a copper surface as I have oxy-acetylene equipment and an acetylene rich flame produces lots of carbon in short order. Once a piece is properly (?) coated, we could experiment on any dielectric charge generated by the carbon surface.

I'm sure Magluvin is going to try coat some copper wire and I need to talk to him to see just what he plans to do.

Regards,
Pm

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Re: partzmans board ATL « Reply #223 on: 2021-07-26, 16:19:10 »

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Quote from: partzman on 2021-07-23, 19:12:14

Hi Smudge,

Well, I first have to say that some things Dave talks about make me curious but I have yet to try any experiments such as copper sphere with the orthogonal windings. He seems to have had some OU success but has not been able to replicate his own work. I am not a sensitive and I can't judge the vibration sensing so I look for any possibility of something we can measure with instrumentation.

I too am curious about the carbon coatings on the wire, etc. I'm willing to attempt to coat a copper surface as I have oxy-acetylene equipment and an acetylene rich flame produces lots of carbon in short order. Once a piece is properly (?) coated, we could experiment on any dielectric charge generated by the carbon surface.

I'm sure Magluvin is going to try coat some copper wire and I need to talk to him to see just what he plans to do.

Regards,
Pm

PM

Have you ever seen this video of mine?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krzQq9mDNTc

I have photos of the electrode with deposit and with the deposit removed which shows the electron exchange reaction on a 316 stainless steel. I'm away in France atm, but on my return I can post the photos.
Regards

Mike

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Re: partzmans board ATL « Reply #224 on: 2021-07-26, 18:52:52 »

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Quote from: Centraflow on 2021-07-26, 16:19:10

PM

Have you ever seen this video of mine?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krzQq9mDNTc

I have photos of the electrode with deposit and with the deposit removed which shows the electron exchange reaction on a 316 stainless steel. I'm away in France atm, but on my return I can post the photos.
Regards

Mike

Mike,

I just watched it. Look forward to your photos!

BTW, it looks like Dave L. has removed all his threads.

Pm