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Once again, excellent work Itsu!

Your waveform display is exceptionally clean.  You've managed to focus
right in on the circuit of interest without the transients and ringing that
often plague pulse driven circuits.

What I see in your waveform analysis is the "Secret" of the Switching Power
Supply.  The "Charging" followed by "Discharging" of the Inductor or Transformer
into a "Load" for a specific Time Constant.

An example of "Dis-Continuous" output.

Very nice!


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The below screenshot shows the current in the L3 circuit (green) and shows the so called "sawtooth waveform" which seems to be an indication for above unity as the current continues after the MOSFET goes off until the next cycle (current rushing in from the ambient!?).
Purple signal is the MOSFET gate signal.

I'm not sure I understand your reasoning.

We can see the mosfet gate signal however we cannot see the the input power waveform to the coil, volts x amps. We can also see the output coil current but not the output power, volts x amps. Thus we have no indication of the input/output power or COP because the data is incomplete.

If the input voltage and frequency are set then I would measure/datalog the input power and output power then superimpose the two waveforms to get a better indication of the efficiency.

Another issue is that L3 isn't even the load circuit which makes the data that much more ambiguous.

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Thanks MuDped,

so there is a "secret" there, but probably not the one meant by the aboveunity.com forum  :D



AC,

its not my reasoning, its just a replication of a replication from a basic above unity device from the aboveunity.com forum.

There it is stated that you have reached the goal (above unity?) when you are able to show the sawtooth waveform in the L3 circuit.
It suppose to indicate that extra current is rushing in from the ambient and thus have reached "above unity".

Strange is that of the many members who have succeeded to show this sawtooth waveform in the L3 circuit nobody has bothered to check the input against output.
Most of them just stop posting as if they really have reached the goal.

   
Well not here, as i just finished making input output measurements while having extra current rushing in from the ambient! (the sawtooth waveform)

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Concerning my replication of "John's Non-Inductive Coil Experiment", i reached the goal of having the sawtooth waveform in the L3 circuit.

But does this mean i have reached "above unity" without any decent measurements?

Not in my book, so i have maintained this L3 sawtooth waveform while powering a 12V/5W bulb in L2 and made some input versus output measurements.

Below screenshot 1 shows the voltage (purple), current (green) and power (red) signals across this 12V/5W bulb in L2 (the load),      so we have 5W output there.
And no, this 5W is NOT also available in the L3 circuit as we have no load there.

Screenshot 2 shows the voltage (purple), current (green) and power (red) signals into L1 BEFORE the filter circuit, so very close to what the PS delivers,      so we have 7.3W input there.

Screenshot 3 shows the voltage (purple), current (green) and power (red) signals into L1 AFTER the filter circuit, so the real signals into L1,     so we have also 7.5W input there, but less accurate due to the nasty spikes reaching 450V.

A video of my measurements is here:  https://youtu.be/UpSkoW0u7cY

So the COP then comes to 5W output, 7.3W input = 5/7.3 = 0.68

Changing the frequency, duty cycle, input voltage, etc. does not show any significant changes up till now.


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There it is stated that you have reached the goal (above unity?) when you are able to show the sawtooth waveform in the L3 circuit.
It suppose to indicate that extra current is rushing in from the ambient and thus have reached "above unity".

Thanks for the explanation.
I was wondering what you were up to, lol. There is no way you would fall for such an amateur mistake like they did.

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Strange is that of the many members who have succeeded to show this sawtooth waveform in the L3 circuit nobody has bothered to check the input against output. Most of them just stop posting as if they really have reached the goal.

I would agree, it's mind boggling.

Excellent work on your last post and the scope plots are exactly what I would expect to see from my experience.

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Thanks, its good to know that what we see is as expected like the data also indicate.

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Concerning my replication of "John's Non-Inductive Coil Experiment", i reached the goal of having the sawtooth waveform in the L3 circuit.

But does this mean i have reached "above unity" without any decent measurements?

Not in my book, so i have maintained this L3 sawtooth waveform while powering a 12V/5W bulb in L2 and made some input versus output measurements.

Below screenshot 1 shows the voltage (purple), current (green) and power (red) signals across this 12V/5W bulb in L2 (the load),      so we have 5W output there.
And no, this 5W is NOT also available in the L3 circuit as we have no load there.

Screenshot 2 shows the voltage (purple), current (green) and power (red) signals into L1 BEFORE the filter circuit, so very close to what the PS delivers,      so we have 7.3W input there.

Screenshot 3 shows the voltage (purple), current (green) and power (red) signals into L1 AFTER the filter circuit, so the real signals into L1,     so we have also 7.5W input there, but less accurate due to the nasty spikes reaching 450V.

A video of my measurements is here:  https://youtu.be/UpSkoW0u7cY

So the COP then comes to 5W output, 7.3W input = 5/7.3 = 0.68

Changing the frequency, duty cycle, input voltage, etc. does not show any significant changes up till now.


Regards itsu

Itsu,

This agrees with the results that I was able to achieve in all my replications of the POC!

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Thanks PM,

thats good to know.

I wonder how many of the members there who have reached the sawtooth goal also have found that out.

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« Last Edit: 2021-01-17, 21:16:53 by Itsu »
   

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So the COP is known (0.68), but what about this "aiding of L1 by L3" statement found here:
https://www.aboveunity.com/thread/non-inductive-coil-experiment-replication/?order=all#comment-1de20447-5fd9-4f6d-910f-abc1016e842a


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The Answer is: Action, Reaction and Counter-Reaction.

Action:
Primary Coil Creates a Disturbance in the Vacuum.
 
Reaction:
The Secondary Coil Opposes this Disturbance, Lenz's Law.
 
Counter-Reaction:
The Tertiary Coil then opposes the Secondary Coil, Lenz's Law again, but this time, not opposing the Primary, opposing the Secondary, an Assistive Force to the Primary.

We must realise, every Coil has a Reaction Force, this is seen as a Dual Wave Structure:
     Incoming Wave, to create a Disturbance in the Conductive Mass.
     A Reactionary Wave, Out Going, Lenz's Law Effect, Newton's Laws of Motion, "For every Action there is an Equal and opposite Reaction".

We now, using Asymmetry, changed the Laws, now having Action, Reaction and Counter-Reaction. Showing the way around Newton's Laws of Motion, no longer being a Law, only a reasonably accurate description.



So i measured L1 current and switched off / on the L3 circuit, see video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbJZNxrARn4&feature=youtu.be

Oeps,  i had the current probe wrongly attached,  see below corrected screenshot with white the L1 current when L3 closed and overlayed in green the L1 current when L3 open.

So when L3 is closed (active), the effect on L1 current is that it drops from 2.057A to 1.991A which is 66mA or by 3.2%.

So indeed L3 is aiding L1, but by a marginal extent.

Perhaps there is more to squeeze out of it, but nothing magically will happen i think.

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Been getting persons asking me about above u forum
Have you heard anything?

Apparently there are issues still ?
I did ask jimB if he could check and see that things are OK

Will make some calls tomorrow to members who should be able to reach him!
Perhaps a note to Loz?
( some are very worried)

Sorry to post this here without asking
I can move if you wish

Thx
Chet
EDIT for below

Yes this is what I have been telling persons it probably is update issues!

One person did mention no YouTube responses either from him ?

Thx again .... I will make some calls regardless
« Last Edit: 2021-01-25, 11:09:22 by Chet K »
   

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Hi Chet, 

What i know is that the AU forum was planned to have an update starting at 17 Jan. and was planned to last a "few days".

But there also have seem to come up a server hosting issue which could have extended this "few days" untill a new hosting platform was found, so a week or weeks.

I am sure the forum will be up as soon as things are sorted out over there.

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Bumping this thread so the AU.com members can have something to compare about the "sawtooth waveform" experiments.

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Using my "workbench / placeholder" thread for showing some pictures / screenshots of some nano-pulsers.

Below picture is from my "Dally" nano-pulser using similar components as Dally used in his famous circuit.
The KT926 transistor and the bulky KD203 diodes.

The screenshot 1 (SC 2 without databox) shows the nano-pulse in yellow (998Vpp @ 5ns) and in blue the voltage across a 0.1 Ohm 1% induction-free csr in series with the DSR diode (KD203)

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Here another more "state of the art" nano-pulser using a MOSFET.

The screenshot again shows the nano-pulse voltage (yellow) as 1.8KV @ 7ns and the current through the DSR diode (P600) in white.

I cannot scope the both traces at the same time as the voltage across the 0.1 Ohm resistor is rather high (348Vpp across a 0.1 Ohm csr means 3.48KApp)

   
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