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NickZ	Re: Dose it take energy to create a magnetic field « Reply #100 on: 2023-11-19, 23:47:16 »
Group: Guest	Thanks Chet, and good luck with that. NickZ

unimmortal	Re: Dose it take energy to create a magnetic field « Reply #101 on: 2023-11-20, 01:03:28 »
Jr. Member Posts: 59	Quote from: NickZ on 2023-11-19, 18:38:13 Your advice is nice, but it's not as good as showing how well you can build a self runner. We already have thousands of pages of theories and advice. Not a single self runner to show for it. If you get the point... NickZ That is all about to change very shortly... I do agree with WLW however. Understanding the properties of crude oil for example, and the refinement processes that have led to a mind boggling amount of products. This kind of research applied to aether and frequency... the universe would be our oyster.

NickZ	Re: Dose it take energy to create a magnetic field « Reply #102 on: 2023-11-20, 01:10:26 »
Group: Guest	That type of research has been denied, by the powers that be. For a reason. And free energy is not even a theme mentioned in schools, nor are Tesla's ideas allowed. We are being manipulated, by the dark governments, and educational systems. How long will we allow them to take control of our lives? They even deny UFOs and ETs. And rush to lock them away from our sight. Not to mention the thousands of people working in the many underground secret facilities. Even guys like Verpies, is here to tell us that free energy from the ambient is non existent, that Tesla was wrong concerning the mentioned Aether, and that Tesla was not even into free energy, that he is aware of. So, excuse me for not trusting them. Keep them in the dark and feed them bullshit...like mushrooms... NickZ « Last Edit: 2023-11-20, 12:47:13 by NickZ »

verpies	Re: Dose it take energy to create a magnetic field « Reply #103 on: 2023-11-21, 02:23:36 »
Group: Professor Hero Member Posts: 3359	Quote from: NickZ on 2023-11-19, 22:18:00 Is being devoid of self-reflection, same as being a pendejo? No but it is a prerequisite for immutability and stubbornness, which you consider a virtue. Quote from: NickZ on 2023-11-19, 22:18:00 Verpies, what can you say about free energy. Anything, proff??? The jury is still out Quote from: NickZ on 2023-11-20, 01:10:26 Even guys like Verpies, is here to tell us that free energy from the ambient is non existent, Not exactly. There is some free energy that can be harvested from the environment, such as the sunlight, wind, tides, sea waves, geothermal energy gradient, lightning and the even minuscule energy of the vertical electric gradient above Earth's surface (see this and this ) but this is not the source of energy that you are referring to, is it? So what source exactly are you referring to ? Better yet, what experiment are you proposing that can verify the existence of that OTHER source, which you are proposing ? Remember that it is impossible in principle to prove that something does not exist in an unbounded system, because: The lack of proof of existence is not a proof of non-existence. So the burden of proof rests on the one who makes the proposition of existence. ...you should remember that, since we've been there before. Anyway, this thread is about the question whether it takes energy to create a magnetic field - not what you are discussing. @Chet & Peter: If I had my "Copy" or "Move" button I'd move it to another thread (with a link back here). I could delete it but that would be tantamount to censorship and I won't do that. P.S. "Copy" is better than "Move" because it allows the moderator to move only a half of an off-topic post somewhere else by editing out the original post and adding a link to the copied/moved part .

NickZ	Re: Dose it take energy to create a magnetic field « Reply #104 on: 2023-11-21, 13:31:10 »
Group: Guest	I think that the discussion of the magnetic field is over, for now. None of the free energy things that you mentioned are FREE. How much do solar panels to light and heat ones house cost??? Let's say 10KW. No need to answer that proff. I wish that I could move you to another conventional electronics forum thread, as there is no information about free energy coming from you, sir. Talk about encouraging free energy, instead of belittleing those who are here for that. NickZ

partzman	Re: Dose it take energy to create a magnetic field « Reply #105 on: 2023-11-21, 15:29:01 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 1671	FWIW, I will share a true story for which I have no proof, so feel free to dismiss or not. Some 10 years ago or so, I became aware, through a personal friend of my wife, of a company that supposedly built free energy generators. This person told me about this company and the individual Bill Wampler who owned it and of course I asked for contact info but she had none. She did say that she knew how to contact the wife of the owner and would pass on the fact that I was very interested to know more, and if they were interested, he would contact me. Several days later I did receive a call from Bill Wampler and he graciously told me as much as he could about their company. He clearly stated that they had developed stand alone 12kW generators that they gave away freely to certain peoples of third world countries who needed electrical energy to survive. He also said he made enough money manufacturing desalination equipment to be able to finance the operation. They were extremely private and stealth about their location and other details concerning their operations, etc., and had no interest in commercialization of their product. He stated that governments would not allow them to continue if they went commercial and in fact, their lab had been raided by the ATF who confiscated all equipment, prototypes, inventory, files, etc. Fortunately, they anticipated such a move and had multiple backups of everything. Bill also shared that Jesus Christ was the CEO of the company and no decisions were made without prayer and meditation. My point is sharing all this is simple. Although he wouldn't give any details of how their device worked, he did say that it was solid state with no moving parts and needed a battery to start. He also said that the energy is all around us and there are two problems one must solve. First, you have to learn how to "collect" the energy and second, you must then learn how to "control" it! I will never forget his emphasis on these points as he shared in the early days of research how one of the devices began to run away with itself and they all fled from the lab for fear of their lives. Obviously they survived and were able to solve the problem. IMO, the aether contains energy and because of this belief, I continue to pursue OU/FE or whatever you wish to call it even though up to this point, I've not been successful. Regards, Pm

forest	Re: Dose it take energy to create a magnetic field « Reply #106 on: 2023-11-21, 16:00:18 »
Sr. Member Posts: 462	One way to free energy could be with recreating lighthing, even Edwin Gray said something like that. I proposed the sequence of operations needed and in fact it is simple electrostatic induction and interfacing with ground just accelerated to Mhz range. Nothing fancy at all.

Allcanadian	Re: Dose it take energy to create a magnetic field « Reply #107 on: 2023-11-21, 17:19:41 »
Hero Member Posts: 2630	Verpies Quote Remember that it is impossible in principle to prove that something does not exist in an unbounded system, because: The lack of proof of existence is not a proof of non-existence. So the burden of proof rests on the one who makes the proposition of existence. ...you should remember that, since we've been there before. The burden of proof of what?, science has already proven the universe is energy and energy is found everywhere on every level. The only relevant claim the critics of free energy have is that some may not be intelligent enough to convert some more complex forms of energy. We should be clear the concept of a universe full of energy, "free energy", was never in question only our intelligence and/or ability to access and convert some forms of energy. We could even go further and say the only real problem remaining is the direct conversion of the energy to usable electrical energy. We already understand how to rearrange molecules/atoms to produce energy using combustion, fission, fusion but the conversion to electricity is indirect. The next logical step is the direct conversion of energy and there are literally tens of millions of scientists working on this problem. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_energy_conversion https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0029549398002829 https://pubs.aip.org/aip/apr/article/6/3/031305/123870/High-power-direct-energy-conversion-by-nuclear https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/B9780128199848000084 Which begs the question, what exactly is your objection Verpies?. -It cannot be that energy is not present everywhere because science has already proven energy is everywhere on every level. -It cannot be that nobody is working on the direct conversion of heat, EM energy or atomic energy to electricity very similar to a supposed free energy device. Millions are working on the problem and the science journals are littered with proposals and experiments. It would seem to me the only objection left is that you have not seen a free energy/direct conversion device first hand. No worries, I have seen a few first hand and I suspect you will too in the near future. AC --------------------------- Comprehend and Copy Nature... Viktor Schauberger “The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool.”― Richard P. Feynman

NickZ	Re: Dose it take energy to create a magnetic field « Reply #108 on: 2023-11-21, 18:59:02 »
Group: Guest	At Walmart, $19.98.10 KW, self starting. Made in China. That will be the day... NickZ

verpies	Re: Dose it take energy to create a magnetic field « Reply #109 on: 2023-11-21, 19:53:20 »
Group: Professor Hero Member Posts: 3359	Quote from: Allcanadian on 2023-11-21, 17:19:41 It would seem to me the only objection left is that you have not seen a free energy/direct conversion device first hand. I have only seen a working Wesley Gary motor but I did not build the working model and could not get it to work myself. Quote from: Allcanadian on 2023-11-21, 17:19:41 Which begs the question, what exactly is your objection Verpies?. Lack of precise definition of nonmaterial energy sources. The umbrella term "energy from the ambient" which is so vague it can mean anything or nothing. And in Nick's vernacular, it seems to mean anything as long as it is not material. I object to this exclusion. I don't object to the conversion of charged particle's kinetic energy into electric energy, but what is the source of these charged particles (sun and Aurora Borealis) ?. Not only such conversion makes sense but most importantly you are precisely defining this mechanism. Nick does not define anything precisely. « Last Edit: 2023-11-22, 00:48:16 by verpies »

verpies	Re: Dose it take energy to create a magnetic field « Reply #110 on: 2023-11-21, 20:21:47 »
Group: Professor Hero Member Posts: 3359	Quote from: NickZ on 2023-11-21, 13:31:10 None of the free energy things that you mentioned are FREE. In that list I have written, the energy is free and it is from the environment. The devices to collect that energy are not free but that is a different story. I asked you a question. What exact source of energy from the environment are you proposing if you do not like the ones from my list ? Quote from: NickZ on 2023-11-21, 13:31:10 How much do solar panels to light and heat ones house cost??? Let's say 10KW. A lot but these panels are just collectors. The energy itself is free.

forest	Re: Dose it take energy to create a magnetic field « Reply #111 on: 2023-11-21, 20:35:48 »
Sr. Member Posts: 462	Per every 1m of elevation there is a potential difference of 100V to ground, while using radio antenna I think it is not so true. In fact using Tesla coil may just occur like having elevated plate at hgh place above ground.

verpies	Re: Dose it take energy to create a magnetic field « Reply #112 on: 2023-11-21, 20:44:40 »
Group: Professor Hero Member Posts: 3359	Quote from: forest on 2023-11-21, 20:35:48 Per every 1m of elevation there is a potential difference of 100V to ground, while using radio antenna I think it is not so true. I already enumerated this source of energy in my list and gave links to videos of experiments that extract it (see this and this ) However Nick responded to this list as follows: Quote from: NickZ on 2023-11-21, 13:31:10 None of the free energy things that you mentioned are FREE. Which is incorrect of course because he is conflating the cost of collectors with the cost of energy. ...but must importantly he has not proposed any alternative.

NickZ	Re: Dose it take energy to create a magnetic field « Reply #113 on: 2023-11-21, 21:06:25 »
Group: Guest	My response may be incorrect, but, what I was getting at is the actual cost of an Akula's/Ruslan device, compared to any thing in Verpies list. Production cost are probably about $50 dollars total to build, maybe less from China. Actual cost afterwards, are minimal. And, yes the energy is free, not paid for, not dependent on grid systems. May not be free either, but, cheap, to build. Some guys are still at it Verpies, so, give it time. NickZ PS : And are you oblivious to how many times myself and others have mentioned what you called an "imaginary" source??? That you are not aware of, and about the devices that utilize that source. Which you are "not aware of". Perhaps proff, you need to do do your homework. « Last Edit: 2023-11-21, 23:52:09 by NickZ »

verpies	Re: Dose it take energy to create a magnetic field « Reply #114 on: 2023-11-22, 00:09:15 »
Group: Professor Hero Member Posts: 3359	Quote from: NickZ on 2023-11-21, 21:06:25 PS : And are you oblivious to how many times myself and others have mentioned what you called an "imaginary" source??? Imaginary source will not do. It has to be something tangible and measurable. At least define its properties precisely or design an experiment to measure these properties.

NickZ	Re: Dose it take energy to create a magnetic field « Reply #115 on: 2023-11-22, 00:17:54 »
Group: Guest	Will not do, well good luck with that. Your current science can't measure, nor is it currently tangible, sorry. Perhaps you'd like to show us what will do. Besides paying electric bills. NickZ. « Last Edit: 2023-11-22, 01:25:55 by NickZ »

NickZ	Re: Dose it take energy to create a magnetic field « Reply #116 on: 2023-11-22, 00:20:31 »
Group: Guest	It has already been designed, you must of missed it. NickZ

verpies	Re: Dose it take energy to create a magnetic field « Reply #117 on: 2023-11-22, 00:36:33 »
Group: Professor Hero Member Posts: 3359	Quote from: NickZ on 2023-11-22, 00:17:54 Your current science can't measure, nor is it currently tangible to us, sorry. If it cannot be measured, then how do you propose to distinguish it from a contrivance of your mind ? Quote from: NickZ on 2023-11-22, 00:17:54 Perhaps you'd like to show us what will do. For example take sun light. Its reflection and refraction angles can be measured with a ruler. Its wavelength can be measured by interference and diffraction. Its chirality can be measured by polarizers, its power can be measured with calorimeters. ...plethora of experiments and properties that can be measured for this source of energy. What properties does your energy source have and how can they be measured? What experiments can be performed on it to describe its properties ? P.S. "My" science? I do not own any science. I just follow the scientific method of discovery. Dose it take energy to create a magnetic field

NickZ	Re: Dose it take energy to create a magnetic field « Reply #118 on: 2023-11-22, 00:47:04 »
Group: Guest	It can not be measured, that's the problem at this time. With the science that you don't own. Maybe some day they will be able to measure what you call nothing. This is about non material sources. Like trying to prove sprits. NickZ

stivep	Re: Dose it take energy to create a magnetic field « Reply #119 on: 2023-11-22, 00:54:52 »
Group: Restricted Full Member Posts: 102	Quote from: Allcanadian on 2023-11-21, 17:19:41 Verpies //Which begs the question, what exactly is your objection Verpies?.// Verpies is right in every bit of his statement. Free Energy wording is to be understood as Energy for Free The device is not for free but energy is. e.g. Niagara Falls, a spectacular waterfall in the Niagara River, is the world’s greatest waterfall by volume at 2,832 m 3. It is split in two by Goat Island. and this energy is for free = FE. The set of electric generators there converting mechanical energy into electric energy is not for free. In other words net energy gain pays for all expenses and maintenance and in addition to it makes few guys very wealthy from sale of that particular FE. You would do it too so I do not see a problem here. If you were to build your own without the license it will cost you money but it will be for free till someone finds you guilty. The same is with solar, wind, thermal energy, mechanical energy of sea water wave, and energy from isotopes. The more exotic conversion is energy from falling wall or building, the volcanic energy of lava, the tectonic energy, vibrational energy of devices or structures seen as a waste till it is converted to FE, sewer system energy, flow of rain water in city pipes system, highway noise and vibration system, or walking people vibrational system. In one sentence I gave you all of these FE sources sparkling your imagination. Yet another exotic application is my own energy extraction from Schumann waveguide . FE= Something or someone loss becoming your gain. e.g. when you are a child.. or when you are supported by parents, lover etc. It is up to you to use it or lose it. This fine group of strangers here is a random group of driven by potential of sudden opportunity individuals garbing ideas to their own as fast as they can before someone else does it.- nothing wrong just human nature. Direct energy conversion is not important or not that important, as you must pay for a "convertor" anyhow. Wesley

verpies	Re: Dose it take energy to create a magnetic field « Reply #120 on: 2023-11-22, 01:56:49 »
Group: Professor Hero Member Posts: 3359	Quote from: stivep on 2023-11-22, 00:54:52 The same is with solar, wind, thermal energy, mechanical energy of sea water wave, and energy from isotopes. Yes all these are sources of free energy, but to parametrize them fully you'd have to consider several other factors, such as: energy density and specific energy (see here) power portability periodicity/constantness safety controllability Energy density being the main usability factor because if you had something portable with an Exajoule per Liter (or Gallon) that does not release all of it within an hour, then you're finished with the search.

F6FLT	Re: Dose it take energy to create a magnetic field « Reply #121 on: 2023-11-22, 13:37:36 »
Group: Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 1984	Quote from: NickZ on 2023-11-22, 00:47:04 It can not be measured, that's the problem at this time. With the science that you don't own. Maybe some day they will be able to measure what you call nothing. This is about non material sources. ... What cannot be measured and is not material is not science but superstition. If supertition could provide power, we'd have had free electricity for millennia. That said, I respect urban legend specialists. Like poets, they make people dream, but only the naive. --------------------------- "Open your mind, but not like a trash bin"

verpies	Re: Dose it take energy to create a magnetic field « Reply #122 on: 2023-11-22, 14:24:04 »
Group: Professor Hero Member Posts: 3359	What if they discourage any experimentation that does not fit that dream ?

NickZ	Re: Dose it take energy to create a magnetic field « Reply #123 on: 2023-11-22, 19:11:19 »
Group: Guest	Who are they? How about, who is encouraging Free Energy tests and sharing successfull results , impartially? Instead... I have the feeling that some one has been let loose, again. NickZ

NickZ	Re: Dose it take energy to create a magnetic field « Reply #124 on: 2023-11-22, 19:26:40 »
Group: Guest	Quote from: verpies on 2023-11-22, 00:09:15 Imaginary source will not do. It has to be something tangible and measurable. At least define its properties precisely or design an experiment to measure these properties. Attributes: Does not have a smell, can't be seen with the naked eye, or any other way, does not weigh anything, and your scientist know about it, but, are afraid to say so. Why don't you educate your self concerning where the energy comes from. He' right, " it's not science", it's something beyond limited conventional science, and their lies. And it doesn't have to be something material, to be real. In case you don't know. NickZ

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