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System explained from 2:35 minute mark

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQIhLys51Gk


Found this page as well https://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/SChapt27.html

Can it work or be so simple?

Share your thoughts

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System explained from 2:35 minute mark

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQIhLys51Gk


Found this page as well https://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/SChapt27.html

Can it work or be so simple?

Share your thoughts

Regards
Luc

Just talking with Ash (panacea) and he says they are going to New Zealand...
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we are going there next year to test it.....they said we can test it ANY WAY we want.....

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Just talking with Ash (panacea) and he says they are going to New Zealand...
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Hi Ron,

How recent was your talk with Ash?
I haven't seen him around the forums for many years.
If your talk was very recent then it sounds like even though Hidro tech has been around for many years it still unproven to work or not.
A little more clarity would be appreciated.

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Hi Ron,

How recent was your talk with Ash?
I haven't seen him around the forums for many years.
If your talk was very recent then it sounds like even though Hidro tech has been around for many years it still unproven to work or not.
A little more clarity would be appreciated.

Kind regards
Luc

Hi Luc,

Ash and I were good buddies a good many years ago. I am even a Moderator on his RV-TV energy savings but sort of drifted apart.

On looking for further information on Hidro tech I came across a photo of Ash and a bunch of kids standing in front of a working unit, so thought I will just email him and see what he has to say.

http://panacea-bocaf.org/hidrofreeenergysystem.htm

So that info. as incomplete as it is, is from yesterday. He has promised to keep me informed.

I think it came out in 2008? that video you posted is from 2011? but I would hazzard a guess that they are having a difficult time bringing it to market. It doesn't seem to be a home project is my take?

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Ron

   
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I would hazzard a guess that they are having a difficult time bringing it to market. It doesn't seem to be a home project is my take?

Kind regards,

Ron

Thanks for your reply Ron

All I would like to know is, does it work?... is it possible to get a gain (self sustained) from gravity using this buoyancy concept?
If so, then it obviously violates the laws of science at this time, which would be a good thing as far as I'm concerned.
Please let me know when you get a reply from Ash.

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"This Australian company uses a 15m water column with counterbalanced buoys to drive a linear generator. Compressed air is injected into a buoy, which floats to the top of the column. "The air is released at the top, causing it to fall. The buoys are connected mechanically to a weight, and the up-and-down motion drives a linear generator as well as a piston or flywheel to generate electricity. The founders envision this as a distributed, base-load system. A set of 13 towers has approximately 1MW capacity." (Dec. 12, 2009)"

This system is scientifically valid and violates no physical laws. The weak point is the cost of the air compression but at a certain height of tower you break even and after that the system becomes COP>1.

In hhop gen 3 I replaced air compression with a hho cell so that the vented gas has an energy content of its own and becomes a sub system of the whole.

In hhop gen 4 I clearly defined the working principle which is switching the apparent weight of a body within a gravitational field.

In hhop gen 5 I explained how to increase energy output from the system by rotating it and artificially increase the value of g.

In summary the principle is valid and only requires suitable investment from this point onward to demonstrate.


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All I would like to know is, does it work?... is it possible to get a gain (self sustained) from gravity using this buoyancy concept?
If so, then it obviously violates the laws of science at this time

This statement has intrigued me Luc, what law of science do you believe has been violated?


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This statement has intrigued me Luc, what law of science do you believe has been violated?

An engineer or Physicist would be able to correctly answer that question for you. I'm neither, so I'm not going to try.
Basically it's like attaching the shaft of a generator to the shaft of a motor and expecting once the motor is up to speed the generator will produce enough power to sustain the motor. Obviously it's not possible. So same if you attached an air compressor to the shaft of a buoyancy device. It won't work either as the torque and rotation speed needed to produce the air pressure and volume needed will surpass what the buoyancy generator shaft can produce
 
Some years back I followed the German Rosh buoyancy topic at OU forum and all top guy said the same thing.
If it was possible or so easy we would of been using this tech many years back.
However, producing HHO (instead of compressed air) which I've known of this idea many years back may be a possible consideration.
Until one is built we don't know.

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Luc

   

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Hey Luc, thankyou for replying. I will address your position tomorrow, until then let us all ponder the significance of assumption.

https://www.thefreedictionary.com/assumption

1. The act of taking to or upon oneself: assumption of an obligation.
2. The act of taking possession or asserting a claim: assumption of command.
3. The act of taking for granted: assumption of a false theory.
4. Something taken for granted or accepted as true without proof; a supposition: a valid assumption.
5. Presumption; arrogance.
6. Logic A minor premise.
7. Assumption Christianity The taking up of the Virgin Mary into heaven in body and soul after her death, observed as a feast on August 15.




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I will address your position tomorrow, until then let us all ponder the significance of assumption.

I have no problem in admitting I could be wrong to have assumed it's not possible to achieve by using just compressed air. My ego can easily take the correction and happy to do so if it can help the world.
However, you would need to present indisputable proof.
Looking forward to your presentation.

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I like you Luc, let's put ego aside and deal with facts.

There is a delay, I am very busy, the presentation that is indisputable that your ego demands was not something I promised.

I am willing put time into a substantial presentation but on my terms, so it can wait until next week, when I have an opening in my schedule.

I hope this is an acceptable compromise for you.


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An engineer or Physicist would be able to correctly answer that question for you. I'm neither, so I'm not going to try.

I am an Engineer with 30 years of experience.

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Basically it's like attaching the shaft of a generator to the shaft of a motor and expecting once the motor is up to speed the generator will produce enough power to sustain the motor. Obviously it's not possible.

Not really and if we make a comparison it should be a meaningful one. For example a supposed buoyancy generator would use water which is a fluid and can absorb/expel gasses, it can be broken apart into gasses and has pressure/wave properties. So no it is not even remotely comparable to a motor/generator from an engineering standpoint. As well you used a false analogy to justify an assumption when you have no proof it is possible or not because you have no facts nor expertise by your own admission.

Science and Engineering is about knowledge and understanding within a given field however the core relates more to Logical Reasoning. That is understanding what logic and reason are, how to successfully apply them and how to avoid logical fallacies. I cannot stress enough how important reasoning and critical thinking skills are and anyone can learn them.

We should understand that a lack of proof on a given matter is not proof of anything other than a lack of proof. It does not imply anything is true or false only that it is uncertain and we do not have all the facts. This is not a popularity contest my friend nor is it a democracy and it doesn't matter how many people believe something if it cannot be proven as a fact with evidence one way or another.

Maybe we need higher standards, for example Feynman(the Nobel prize winner) calculated a cup of free space contains enough energy to boil all the worlds oceans. As well a cup of water broken up into H2/O2 and the hydrogen applied to a proper catalyst to promote a fusion reaction could possibly power a small city for a year or so. So as an Engineer let's get one thing straight... Free Energy, an abundance of energy is the norm and not an exception to any rule.

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I like you Luc, let's put ego aside and deal with facts.

There is a delay, I am very busy, the presentation that is indisputable that your ego demands was not something I promised.

I am willing put time into a substantial presentation but on my terms, so it can wait until next week, when I have an opening in my schedule.

I hope this is an acceptable compromise for you.

Take the time you need.

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I am an Engineer with 30 years of experience.

Not really and if we make a comparison it should be a meaningful one. For example a supposed buoyancy generator would use water which is a fluid and can absorb/expel gasses, it can be broken apart into gasses and has pressure/wave properties. So no it is not even remotely comparable to a motor/generator from an engineering standpoint. As well you used a false analogy to justify an assumption when you have no proof it is possible or not because you have no facts nor expertise by your own admission.

Science and Engineering is about knowledge and understanding within a given field however the core relates more to Logical Reasoning. That is understanding what logic and reason are, how to successfully apply them and how to avoid logical fallacies. I cannot stress enough how important reasoning and critical thinking skills are and anyone can learn them.

We should understand that a lack of proof on a given matter is not proof of anything other than a lack of proof. It does not imply anything is true or false only that it is uncertain and we do not have all the facts. This is not a popularity contest my friend nor is it a democracy and it doesn't matter how many people believe something if it cannot be proven as a fact with evidence one way or another.

Maybe we need higher standards, for example Feynman(the Nobel prize winner) calculated a cup of free space contains enough energy to boil all the worlds oceans. As well a cup of water broken up into H2/O2 and the hydrogen applied to a proper catalyst to promote a fusion reaction could possibly power a small city for a year or so. So as an Engineer let's get one thing straight... Free Energy, an abundance of energy is the norm and not an exception to any rule.

Regards

It's obvious you like to write to impress... take a potion of what I wrote and claim it's not a good example. Bravo!
The truth is, there isn't any value (learned something) in anything you just wrote. So, why boast you're an engineer?... words are cheap.
Now seeing a visual demonstration of what you would like to teach, that's different!
So why not start participating by showing something you build?... or at least, a demonstration done by someone else.
I'm sure everyone here would agree that would be a refreshing change, no?

Come back when you have something to show.

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It's obvious you like to write to impress... take a potion of what I wrote and claim it's not a good example. Bravo!
The truth is, there isn't any value (learned something) in anything you just wrote. So, why boast you're an engineer?... words are cheap.

If you said an accountant can solve that tax problem and I said I am an accountant am I boasting?, well no it's just a statement of fact. My post was simply about the importance of applying logic and reason to problems.

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Now seeing a visual demonstration of what you would like to teach, that's different!
So why not start participating by showing something you build?... or at least, a demonstration done by someone else.
I'm sure everyone here would agree that would be a refreshing change, no?

I disagree and a science textbook can explain much of what we want to know without a visual demonstration. Sure a visual demonstration can be helpful however it is not required to explain a concept. In fact the greater majority of all scientific papers have no pictures or visual demonstrations other than the odd graph.

Regards


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If you said an accountant can solve that tax problem and I said I am an accountant am I boasting?, well no it's just a statement of fact. My post was simply about the importance of applying logic and reason to problems.

I disagree and a science textbook can explain much of what we want to know without a visual demonstration. Sure a visual demonstration can be helpful however it is not required to explain a concept. In fact the greater majority of all scientific papers have no pictures or visual demonstrations other than the odd graph.

Regards

As previously stated!... you have nothing to show but of how correct you are.

This topic is now locked and will be revised in private.

Regards
Luc
   
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