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This is specially for those who want to know where energy comes from ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBp_SPJAOJc

The second law of thermodynamics is kind of a joke based on a very narrow and limited perspective.

For example, Gravity is not entropic, it always concentrates mass thus energy producing more organization.

As if matters could get any worse the 2nd law is also based on logical fallacies and circular reasoning. For example, if entropy/disorganization always increases in the universe then this supposes that the universe must have been more organized in the past. So what organized it?... Oh dear, now we have problems.

You see, the whole 2nd law theory falls flat on it's face and like most absurd theories relies on an impossible precondition in direct contradiction to reality.

Follow the basic logic...
1)In order for disorganization to increase the system must have been more organized in the past.
2) If the system was more organized in the past this proves it does always become more disorganized, based on the past condition.
3)Ergo, something cannot become more disorganized without something to have organized it in the first place... Duh.
4)Otherwise we are left with the ridiculous notion that everything was created from nothing then became more disorganized in time, ergo circular reasoning.

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Circular reasoning (Latin: circulus in probando, "circle in proving";[1] also known as circular logic) is a logical fallacy in which the reasoner begins with what they are trying to end with.[2] The components of a circular argument are often logically valid because if the premises are true, the conclusion must be true. Circular reasoning is not a formal logical fallacy but a pragmatic defect in an argument whereby the premises are just as much in need of proof or evidence as the conclusion, and as a consequence the argument fails to persuade.

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Nevertheless some people took it rather serious.

Ludwig Boltzmann

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His greatest achievements were the development of statistical mechanics, and the statistical explanation of the second law of thermodynamics.


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he died by suicide on 5 September 1906, by hanging himself while on vacation

source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_Boltzmann



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With respect to Free Energy and Thermodynamics...

I would state the obvious, thermodynamics (thermo or heat) relating strictly to the molecular motion of particles has little to do with the total energy of most systems.

For example, I add some electrons to an object charging it then let it fall in Earth's gravitational field and this transfers said electrons to another object on the ground. This has quite literally nothing to do with something as primitive as thermodynamics or heat nor do any of the forces involved. As well, we can see energy is being concentrated and more organized on the macro scale towards the Earth.

The confusion would seem to be with people who don't understand thermodynamics or where it applies. So just because a hot body radiates heat energy this has literally nothing to do with the fact that the Primary Fields (Electric, Magnetic and Gravic) can concentrate energy.

There is also the blindingly obvious fact that all living things like plants and animals concentrate energy. Why do you think living things have the ability to grow?, what do you think "grow" means?. Grow, to become larger or greater over a period of time; increase, to become more advanced or developed. It just seems absolutely mind boggling that so many people could be so blind to something so obvious found all around them.

I mean if we were to believe the nonsense being peddled about entropy then theoretically everything including ourselves should have devolved into a blob of fluid or gas by now. As they claim, everything is losing energy and becoming more disorganized and yet the facts we know prove this isn't so. How is it that mankind has become so much more organized and advanced?. How is it that all plants and animals evolve and adapt becoming more organized?.

In this respect the perspective of science has become fundamentally flawed in my opinion. What there doing is cherry picking a few basic effects then trying to apply it where it obviously doesn't apply. In effect, psychologically many in science would seem to be in denial of there own existence. I mean, by there own reasoning the science dictates that they should not be conscious nor exist... fruit loops.

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As if matters could get any worse the 2nd law is also based on logical fallacies and circular reasoning.

For example, if entropy/disorganization always increases in the universe then this supposes that the universe must have been more organized in the past.

So what organized it?... Oh dear, now we have problems.

While it is true that there are Natural Forces at work which seem to assure that Entropy is an ever present eventuality,

we do have at our disposal the means to prevent Entropy.

If "things were more organized in the past" wouldn't it be essential to presume that some force had organized those things?

I wonder:  what is the "problem?"

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In this respect the perspective of science has become fundamentally flawed in my opinion.

What there doing is cherry picking a few basic effects then trying to apply it where it obviously doesn't apply.

In effect, psychologically many in science would seem to be in denial of there own existence.

I mean, by there own reasoning the science dictates that they should not be conscious nor exist... fruit loops.

I would agree that some who call themselves "Scientists" do exhibit myopic thinking.

Can't disagree with your bottom line! ;)


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AlienGrey,

You are the moderator, do you have possibility move posts ?
Can you please move everything starting from reply #15 from this thread to main ?
It was supposed to be short thread only for documentation.

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While it is true that there are Natural Forces at work which seem to assure that Entropy is an ever present eventuality,

I don't see it that way, Gravity and the Electric Force are the primary forces in the universe which cause things to move towards each other. The problem seems to be the flawed perspective that the universe revolves around us when we know it does not.

Follow the logic...
1)Energy and mass cannot be created or destroyed only transformed.
2)Ergo something moving away from us (Entropy) must logically be moving towards something else (Syntropy).
3)The forces must always remain balanced, equal yet opposite.

Even a child can understand it, if I throw a ball towards you it's moving away from me (Entropy) and moving towards you (Syntropy). So how is it so many people have in effect concluded that if we were to throw a ball it must keep going and never interact with anything else?. Ah, psychology has the answer and in a self-centered world everything must relate to and revolve around the center.

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If "things were more organized in the past" wouldn't it be essential to presume that some force had organized those things?
I wonder:  what is the "problem?"

The problem?, obviously we don't understand how everything works yet, lol.

Here are the facts we know...
1)Something cannot be created from nothing or destroyed into nothing, Energy and mass are always conserved for obvious reasons.
2)Ergo, Entropy cannot exist without Syntropy and the forces must always balance.
3)Any valid theory must encompass this fact.

What we have learned from nature is that everything is cyclical. Things become more organized until they reach a tipping point then they begin to break down becoming more disorganized. What is built up is eventually torn down and the pieces built up again in a continually repeating cycle.

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The problem?, obviously we don't understand how everything works yet, lol.

Very true.

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What we have learned from nature is that everything is cyclical.

Things become more organized until they reach a tipping point then they begin to break down becoming more disorganized.

What is built up is eventually torn down and the pieces built up again in a continually repeating cycle.

Is that because of Nature or because of Man?

Maybe it is a matter of how one defines "Nature?"

The only business where something is created from nothing is monopolized by the Bankers by means of their Credit.

In our Physical Reality everything is and has been created from Energy.

Electromagnetism is a property of spacetime itself    link courtesy of Bistander

Whatever has happened to Turion?  Does anyone know?


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Is that because of Nature or because of Man?
Maybe it is a matter of how one defines "Nature?"

Throughout history many deluded men thought of themselves as better or more than nature however the laws of nature always apply. They all eventually died proving themselves wrong and misguided. We are an integral part of nature just like everything else...

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In our Physical Reality everything is and has been created from Energy.
Electromagnetism is a property of spacetime itself

Ah more space/time quackery, lol.

Does anyone find it odd that space and time are not something but measures of something in the real world?. Near the end Einstein finally came clean and said his theories were absolute nonsense and irreconcilable with reality. It's actually kind of comical because he all but said it was nonsense and he cheated. He could not reconcile the medium through which the Primary Fields propagated so he pretended the measures (space and time) were the medium to fudge the math. I don't think he actually believed anyone was naïve enough to buy it but apparently most did.
 
In reality the real physics are not that difficult, there is no space/time that's nonsense because they are measures of something. Something moving though a "space" within a period of "time" is a measure of velocity. Which begs the only relevant question... What's actually moving?.

As it turns out the closer we look into a space the more we see and there is much evidence to suggest we don't know how small particles can get. We keep saying they can't get any smaller and yet we keep finding more particles which are in fact smaller than the last. This would suggest the "dark energy/matter" aka Aether theory is still the most credible. Note even Einstein said his theory of space/time was a joke and could not be reconciled without an Aether. When the guy who invented space/time tells you it's BS... you should believe him.

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Could you enlighten us AC?

Nature seems to be a Force with Infinite Intelligence and Infinite Energy.

What is your perception of "Nature?"

How does it exist?

Are we able to commune with it?

What is the Goal of Nature?


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