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Author Topic: HHO Tubular Browns Gas Build  (Read 6829 times)
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10kWp gas genset to convert to HHO Gas from Tubular Water Fuel Cell Build

This 414 cc, 1 cylinder, OHV gas engine, with 10kWp generator,

- No sensors
- No OBDII port for Volo programmer

To do
- ignition adjustment
- waste spark removal
- HHO gas fuel adjustment

 


« Last Edit: 2022-03-21, 05:41:16 by vrand »
   
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10kWp gas genset to convert to HHO Gas from Tubular HHO Water Fuel Cell Build

Removed carburator, gas tank and pull cord
« Last Edit: 2022-03-21, 05:41:37 by vrand »
   
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10kWp gas genset to convert to HHO Gas from Tubular Water Fuel Cell Build

Removed generator end cover, spark plug wiring
« Last Edit: 2022-03-21, 05:41:54 by vrand »
   
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10kWp gas genset to convert to HHO Gas from Tubular Water Fuel Cell Build

Will try 2 to 1 spur gearing reduction, and Hall sensor on wood stick,
similar to Anton 2010 build. see attached photos

- to adjust the timing and waste spark removal

« Last Edit: 2022-03-21, 05:42:16 by vrand »
   
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Plasma Spark Mod by Aaron Murakami & Peter Lindemann (2 of 4)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oyrzLmyxeQ

Plasma Spark power density increased from 100ms to 5ms by adding the 12kV HV microwave diode

I will try this out on my 10kWp genset ignition modifications.

« Last Edit: 2022-03-23, 03:50:59 by vrand »
   
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Plasma Spark Mod by Aaron Murakami & Peter Lindemann (2 of 4)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oyrzLmyxeQ

Plasma Spark power density increased from 100ms to 5ms by adding the 12kV HV microwave diode

I will try this out on my 10kWp genset ignition modifications.
   
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Hall Effect Sensor Ignition circuit for 10kWp genset conversion to HHO Water Gas fuel


Ignition circuit help

https://www.homemodelenginemachinist.com/threads/ignition-circuit-help.19673/

"The circuit you posted is a poor variation of the "old school" TIM circuit. A hall sensor in theory will activate it but the resistor values on the front end are pretty low value and depending on the sensor it might not be able to drive the circuit and/or may damage the sensor. The problem with all of the original TIM circuits is the output transistor breakdown voltage. In order for a coil to work properly you must not supress the kickback voltage generate on the primary side of the coil when the "points" open. When you use conventional points there is no problem since the points gap is quite large.
In the case of the TIM circuit the transistor breakdown voltage is perhaps (unchecked for the particular transistor) 150volts at most. This will limit the seconday Hi voltage to 150v x the turns ratio of the coil. Typical turns ratios are about 100:1 therefore the secondary will only get to 15kv. That's probably more than enough for a model engine but you can do better.

Try my circuit below. It has the following improvements:
1. The front end is designed for a Hall sensor.
2. The first stage does not sit around consuming a lot of power when the engine is not running. The circuit you presented consumes considerable power just sitting there doing nothing.
3. A big problem with all of the TIM circuits was that it was possible for the engine to stop with the ignition activated which could (usually did) burn out the coil and or transistor or both. This circuit will not do that.
4. Most important is, this circuit uses a proper IGBT transistor to drive the coil. One that is made specifically for this purpose for automotive ignition systems. It has a very high breakdown voltage.
5. A little extra benefit is the LED which blinks when the Hall sensor is activated so you can tell if there is activity.
6. The input circuit can be run on the same 12v as the rest of the circuit but need not be. Just be sure the ground is common to both supplies.
7. And the best part - the IGBT is a logic level input device so, if you are so inclined you can elminate the front end altogether and drive the IGBT base with a microprocessor or logic chips.

Note that the symbol for the IGBT transistor is not precise. It's drawn like it is to make if familiar to the original circuit. The IGBT is a TO220 device so you'll need to consult the spec sheet to get lead orientation.

With a little ingenuity you should be able to use your existing circuit board by leaving out components and perhaps cutting traces and adding jumpers.


[EDIT Feb. 22 2013]
Updated drawing. I had the wrong part number variant for the IGBT transistor. Sorry. All is correct now.

Sage



IGBT Transistorised Electronic Ignition using a 3144 Hall magnetic sensor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gASPFWhvb_g
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This is a mock up circuit that I put together from a fairchild IGBT and a hall effect 3144 magnetic sensor. The plan is to try it out on one of my small engines as a replacement for  a lucas hovis type magneto that has points and capacitor type ignition.

 3144 hall sensor:
https://amzn.to/32hympI



   
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HHO Gas regulation from 0.5 psi to 20 psi adjustment
Will try this with HHO Gas to 10kWp genset conversion

DIY Generator Conversion to Natural Gas for $10
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDHGCzOZn_M

GasOne 2109-RED 4 ft High Pressure 0-20 PSI Adjustable Regulator with Red QCC-1 Type Hose-Works with Newer U.S. Propane Tanks
https://www.amazon.com/GasOne-2109-RED-Adjustable-Regulator-Hose-Works/dp/B096CRXM43/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=propane+regulator&qid=1648099540&sprefix=propane+regu%2Caps%2C186&sr=8-1
« Last Edit: 2022-03-27, 21:45:30 by vrand »
   
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Adding Misting Water to Slow HHO Gas flame front in engine
+ Add tiny amount of Lithium Hydroxide ala Sam Leach 1970's Invention


Misting Nozzles: BETE PJ 8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ukri97-3GDM

850 psi - 0.0525 gpm
58.6 bar - 0.2 L/min

Misting nozzles produce the finest atomization
available for direct pressure nozzles. They are capable of spraying consistent patterns at very low flow rates. They have exceptional performance for humidification, coating, odor control, and scrubbing applications.



Design Features of PJ Misting Nozzles:

* High energy efficiency
* One-piece, compact construction
* No whirl vanes or internal parts
* 1/8" or 1/4" male connection
* 100-mesh screen, 10 micron paper filter or polypropylene filter optional

Spray Characteristics of PJ Misting Nozzles:

* Finest fog of any direct pressure nozzle
* Produces high percentage of droplets under 50 microns

PJ
IMPINGEMENT FOG AND MISTING SPRAY NOZZLE

https://bete.com/product/pj/


How To #10 - Build A Water Fuel Injection System + Test Drive
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nwB3ajwp8A

and 100 psi Pump

FL3203 Single Wand Chemical Pump 100PSI
https://escapingoutdoors.com.au/fl3203-single-wand-chemical-pump-100psi-detail
   
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Water Misting HHO Gas cont.

PJ - IMPINGEMENT FOG AND MISTING SPRAY NOZZLE
https://bete.com/product/pj/

DESIGN FEATURES

High energy efficiency
No whirl vanes or internal parts
Finest fog of any direct pressure nozzle
Produces a high percentage of droplets under 50 microns
Includes 100-mesh screen in 316SS
Optional 20-micron paper filter or 70-micron polypropylene filter
HOW SPRAY PATTERN IS ACHIEVED

High pressure shears the liquid by forcing it through tiny openings. An impingement pin distributes the liquid as it leaves the nozzle, deflecting it on the chosen surface.

Amazon
One pc impingement nozzle fog nozzle Water mist spray nozzle 1/8 inch male thread High pressure mist fog for humidification - (Size: 0.2mm)
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09D8SVFGC/ref=ox_sc_saved_title_2?smid=A1ADBD8EN75L67&th=1

 Product Description

Impingement mist nozzle

1.High energy efficiency
2.One-piece,compact instruction
3.No-whirl vanes or inner parts
  Impingement mist nozzle are used in humidification and scrubbing applications.  and also used in following:
– Air Conditioning
– Coating
– Concrete Curing
– Fire Protection: Halon Replacement
– Fire Protection: Special
– Fogging
– Humidification
– Misting
– Moistening
– Odor Control
– Scrubbing: Conditioning
Orifice diam:0.15MM 0.2MM 0.3MM 0.4MM 0.5MM 0.6MM 0.7MM 0.8MM 0.9MM 1.0MM
Performance data
Item specifics:
Connection: Male
Head code: Hexagon
Material: Stainless Steel
Shape: Equal
Model number: 1/8"
Technics: Forged
Type: Impingement nozzle
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Water Misting Pump for HHO Gas cont.

Will first try out a 110 PSI water pump to feed to 0.2mm nozzle, G Ganen had good reviews on Amazon,

The PJ misting nozzle can take up to 850 psi as the video shows

Misting Nozzles: BETE PJ 8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ukri97-3GDM

G Ganen 12V DC Fresh Water Pump
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07F35PTFR/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&th=1

with 2 Hose Clamps 12 Volt Diaphragm Pump
Self Priming Sprayer Pump
with Pressure Switch 4.5 L/Min
1.2 GPM 110 PSI Adjustable
for RV Camper Marine Boat Lawn
« Last Edit: 2022-03-27, 21:48:23 by vrand »
   
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Hello vrand,

I try to follow along with your experiment but am getting lost in all of these posts.

There is a question I have about water fuel in general.
Other than keeping it warm, what can be done to prevent the water from freezing in the winter time that will not interfere with electrolysis?

Cadman


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Hello vrand,

I try to follow along with your experiment but am getting lost in all of these posts.

There is a question I have about water fuel in general.
Other than keeping it warm, what can be done to prevent the water from freezing in the winter time that will not interfere with electrolysis?

Cadman

Hi,

You can try electric heat blanket along with insulation.

Electric Water Pipe Heat Cable
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Frost-King-6-ft-Electric-Water-Pipe-Heat-Cable-HC6A/202262328
   
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Author Topic: Holcomb and other FE technology debate  (Read 643 times)

AC,

I have a little different perspective on this.  Holding a patent as an individual or small company means nothing.  I speak from experience.  If you for example have FE technology, trying to protect it from the powers that be is impossible via such means! 

There is only one solution.  It must be given away.  Yes, given away freely.  Does the inventor stand to loose, absolutely.  Does mankind stand to benefit, absolutely. 

So, one must decide what action to take if he/she posses such technology!

regards,
Pm


Agreed

Inventor with a Free Energy Device, that try's to get a US Patent, gets Classified as National Security, and is taken from the inventor here in USA.
Read it and weep...


Patent Secrecy Order
The Invention Secrecy Act of 1951 requires the government to impose "secrecy orders" on certain patent applications that contain sensitive information, thereby restricting disclosure of the invention and withholding the grant of a patent.


The U.S. Government’s Secret Inventions
Secrecy orders allow U.S. defense agencies to control patents, including those that are privately developed.

https://slate.com/technology/2018/05/the-thousands-of-secret-patents-that-the-u-s-government-refuses-to-make-public.html

But as of 2017, according to statistics reported by the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office and published by the Federation of American Scientists, there were 5,784 patents that you can’t see. They’re the U.S. government’s cache of inventions under “secrecy orders.” We don’t know what they’re for, but once-secret patents recently made public have included a laser-tracking system, a warhead-production method, an anti–radar-jamming apparatus, and a stronger net
« Last Edit: 2022-03-27, 21:56:09 by vrand »
   
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The Tubular HHO Gas Processor/Storage Tank in the Tubes HHO fuel cell has to be above 35 psi for the "magic" of COP 50 to happen!
Conventional Flat Plate HHO units never go above 5 psi due to explosion hazard (wet cell) or rubber seals leaking (dry cell). 


That is the major difference of why the Tubular HHO Cell is 1000x superior to Flat Plate HHO Cell design!
The Pressure of the HHO Gas Plasma to then cohere the ZPE, to then flow into the engine ala "Orgone Energy" or the "Joe Cell."



Use a Gas Regulator to input HHO Gas into Engine Fuel Rail Pressure of 0-50 psi, and keep Tubular HHO Gas Tank Pressure of >35 psi.


Yaetek Oxygen Regulator Large Tank Gauge Cutting Torch Regulator Outlet 0-200PSI Inlet 0-4000PSI CGA 540

https://www.amazon.com/Yaetek-Regulator-Cutting-0-200PSI-0-4000PSI/dp/B073P1C18S/ref=dp_prsubs_1?pd_rd_i=B073P1C18S&psc=1

How Electronic Fuel Injection Works
https://jalopnik.com/how-electronic-fuel-injection-works-499902815

"For a gasoline engine, fuel pressure is usually on the order of 35-50 psi. Fuel injectors connect to the rail, but their valves remain closed until the ECU decides to send fuel into the cylinders.

   
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10kWp Genset HHO Gas Ignition Modification

Off-the-shelf assembled kit for $65+sh

Peripheral Interface Controller Transistorized Ignition Module
https://www.model-engine-ignition.com/model-engine-ignition/ignition-modules/pictim-deluxe-ignition-module

What's a PICTIM?  It's a Peripheral Interface Controller Transistorized Ignition Module - fancy words for a microprocessor controlled ignition module. This product is a collaborative effort between S/S Machine & Engineering LLC and Outpost Enterprises LTD - two of the largest providers of ignition modules for model engine enthusiast and builders. 

Our goal was to create one 6-12 volt module that can "do it all".  Heck, it will even operate on a 9v smoke alarm battery! See this YouTube video --> https://youtu.be/yHBO0y3P4e4

At the heart of the unit is a microprocessor that allows these capabilities:

    Dual Mode Operation (Deluxe PICTIM)

    Swappable for multiple modes of operation (Basic PICTIM)

    Automatic safety shutoff

    Efficient operation - minimizes battery consumption

    Easy to setup (little to no "dwell" consideration)

    Programmable

Being programmable allows us to support multiple functionality by changing out the microchip (PIC),  or with an on-board jumper (Deluxe version).  Current PIC offerings are:

    SINGLE spark chip, provides one spark for every revolution of the crank or cam shaft


    BUZZ chip, provides a "shower" of sparks, ideal for hit & miss or low compression engines

    DUAL chip (included in Deluxe PICTIM) does both with an on-board jumper change

Download the PICTIM.pdf below for operation details of each mode (page 5).


Possible future PIC offerings:

    an ADVANCE chip, automatic ignition advance timing for higher performance engines

    a rev limiter, to prevent an engine from RPM red-lining

Download the PICTIM assembly, install and operation instructions PDF here ==> PICTIM.pdf
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1lfUPf6YfXAn6YGm0Isxxn5CS5CPfwNOe/view?usp=sharing


   
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KHK DS1-40, Module 1, 40 Tooth, Injection Molded Spur Gears
https://www.khkgears.us/catalog/product/DS1-40

40 tooth to 80 tooth, Gear Sprockets
2 to 1 ratio
to get rid of the "Waste Spark" in the single cylinder, 18hp genset engine to convert to HHO gas.

This is the low cost solution, under $200.
The high cost version is the Haltech at $1850 with complete control for all the sensors in modern car engines.


It feels like a Jetsons version of reality time folks...

Spacely Space Sprockets, Inc.
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