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It's debatable and dependent on our perspective in my opinion. I have found around 95% of people would lump free energy technology and these forums into group 1 or 2. So while we could think were in group 4 or 5 any number of other people could see it as group 3 or lower. Which begs the question who is more correct?, we cannot all be correct. Thus it all comes down to our perspective, how we view other people and how well we accept criticism.

We could think of it this way, your probably going to disagree with anything I say if it doesn't agree with your thoughts and vice versa. So the actual rating system is more a matter of self-confirmation or populism isn't it?. We generally always think were more correct than everyone and would rate them lower than ourselves if we disagree.

So why not just state the obvious, you think CAE Analysis and equations are the way forward and I disagree. I disagree because I have written my own simulators and understand they can clarify what I know but not what I don't know. Ergo, if were not asking the right questions it cannot give us the right answers because it's only a computer.

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AC,

The "Self Implemented Review" does not involve anyone but YOU, you rate ONLY YOUR posts with respect to your own criteria
and then evaluate using the scale of 1 to 5; nothing more:

So, on a scale of 1 to 5 => using your own criteria, rate your "Value Added" score:

1 = nonsense, silly, childish, banter - of no value what so ever
2 = mindless chatter, a few buzz words, but not related to the subject matter
3 = off topic but might, in some way, be related
4 = some value added to the subject; or a valid, properly asked and answerable, question
5 = good/great contribution to the subject

In simple terms, it's a Self Review! Nothing to do with anyone else or anything else - just you and how you evaluate your posts.

If you score yourself very high then so be it, if your score is low, then so be it as well - a self reflection so to speak.

CAE

Nearly everything you use today has been developed, in some way or another, is involved with CAD, CAM, CAE - a simple fact, like
it or not. Even if you are living under a rock, this is still a fact. Think about that.

So, you've written a simulator but it didn't clarify what you didn't know, ergo, CAE simulation is utter garbage and proves nothing.
Man, that's about as dumb as it gets.

Every Engineering, Manufacturing and nearly every Services firm on earth uses CAD, CAM CAE, every last one!

So you can see why this discussion would be frustrating for someone like me - clear proof is provided but the idiot on the other
end will not even listen, never mind at least try to understand it - because their too engrained in their own myopic stupidity!

More than frustrating... infuriating.   But, trying to educate you is not one of the primary tasks - remain ignorant - technology
will progress... whether you can appreciate it or not - it's unimportant and I don't think anyone cares one way or the other.

I know you enjoy this banter crap but I enjoy the excitement of technical progress and discovery!

Anyway, you keep doing your nay-say thing and I'll keep analyzing and designing.

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Simplified LinGen Block Diagram with B-H charts, inexpensive Gauss/Tesla meter and other info in the pdf

A good Saturday afternoon project with the kids!

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MARKUP - HES CONTROLLER BOARDS (WO2018134233A2)

A mark-up of the HES Controller Boards found in Patent WO2018134233A2. Annotations
linking the patent text with the two (+) board interfaces. Informational only. Nothing special here.

No signal "trickery" or other special circuitry was found.

Note; The current Controller uses a state-of-the-art Microprocessor and simple MOSFET drivers,
thus allowing for programmable sequences, status displays, and so forth.

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HES (Holcomb Energy System) Review [29 July 2022]

Possibly the first viable, proven, in production, excess energy (FE/CE) system.

Holcomb's technologies have been professionally analyzed in detail exposing the science and engineering
behind the HES methods and techniques. Details are found here:

https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg99442#msg99442

The HES website and social media pages contain a wealth of information including functional device descriptions,
insitu and laboratory tests, plus other developmental aspects. A variety of well written patents have also been published.

Facebook: https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg99442#msg99442
Web page: https://holcombenergysystems.com/

It becomes difficult, if not impossible, to argue or dispute "reality" at this point!

This attachment is an 'official' Technical Summary from Holcomb Scientific Research Ltd.

SL

   

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Thanks for curating SL. Excellent stuff
What am I to do? :) ;)
It's easier for you, it's easier. You are farther away from the issue of evil.
   
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All explained in this video:

https://holcombenergysystems.com/video/  (including the "electron spin" source 'proof discovery' information)

bottom video on the page "The HES Mechanism"

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It becomes difficult, if not impossible, to argue or dispute "reality" at this point!

Without a working product nothing is reality.
   
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Well summarized!   O0



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Without a working product nothing is reality.

broli,

A couple of options for you,

(1) Arrange an on-site visit to the HES Lab in Florida [see their web site for contact details], or, better yet

(2) Build one - an overview of such a device is found in a few posts above "A good Saturday afternoon project with the kids"

Actually, the build is a lot of fun as well!

SL

   
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Without a working product nothing is reality.

Indeed, I'm an optimist by nature and believe Holcomb has something. However there is no getting around the fact we have yet to see anything resembling a valid replication let alone one that is even close to working.

I think most here who have been around the block a few times recognize how problematic a replication of this technology is. In the video we appear to have three different sets of coils with three different timing sequences. As well the claim is that the magnetization of the steel core(s) is four to five times greater than the input current in violation of Amperes Law which states the current is proportional to the magnetic field it produces.

So yes, we have many problems in wunderland yet to be sorted out in my opinion...

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broli,

A couple of options for you,

(1) Arrange an on-site visit to the HES Lab in Florida [see their web site for contact details], or, better yet

(2) Build one - an overview of such a device is found in a few posts above "A good Saturday afternoon project with the kids"

Actually, the build is a lot of fun as well!

SL

The burden of proof is not on Broli, either to validate or to invalidate Holcomb. It is on Holcomb's side, and clearly his duty in this regard is quite inadequate.

The operation of Holcomb's machine requires that an unknown phenomenon be at work. Holcomb's patent is only an industrial machine. But to demonstrate a new effect, one does not need an industrial machine. For example, a simple electric wire in the vicinity of a compass and through which a current is passed, provides, by the deviation of the needle, the proof that an electric motor can be built. This was shown by Ørsted.

Holcomb does not provide a proof of concept. If he wants investors, this would be the best way, if only because of the publicity that will be brought to him by all the experimenters who would confirm the new effect.
Instead of this proof of concept, one finds on his site or his videos many references to a green planet, intended to touch the emotions rather than the intelligence. All this does not plead in his favor.


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Convincing you guys that the Holcomb devices can, in reality, create Excess Energy is rather pointless.

You're free to believe whatever you want, as we all are. But, believing what can actually be seen inside
Holcomb's Lab - working devices - FPL datasets, varification documents, CAE analysis, eye witness
testimonies and on and on is more than good enough for me.

So, believe what your mind is telling you. That's no problem at all for the rest of us who have been there and
done that.

No amount of factual based evidence or solid science and engineering will change your minds - so it's not a
big deal in the whole chain of things.

Before long you'll all be claiming that you actually invented it!    :)

   
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What Holcomb says is what Steorn, Perendev, and many others said.
Then we saw the fiasco.

I believe in much more extravagant things than Holcomb's machine, for example that we can send a man to the moon and chat with him at a distance!
The difference with Holcomb is that scientists prove what they discover.

I believe in facts and logic, not speculation. The question is that reasonable doubt must be removed, it is not, and the effect be replicated by a third party, it is not. The correct functioning of his machine remains therefore a hypothesis.


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Steorn and the "Orbo"...ah the memories...great times!
   
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Yes, because at least Steorn had made the effort to experiment and convince and had a (unfortunately erroneous) proof of concept.


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What Holcomb says is what Steorn, Perendev, and many others said.
Then we saw the fiasco.

I believe in much more extravagant things than Holcomb's machine, for example that we can send a man to the moon and chat with him at a distance!
The difference with Holcomb is that scientists prove what they discover.

I believe in facts and logic, not speculation. The question is that reasonable doubt must be removed, it is not, and the effect be replicated by a third party, it is not. The correct functioning of his machine remains therefore a hypothesis.


F6FLT,

Just curious - I take it that you haven't tried the "Saturday Afternoon" build; but have you tried any simulations of the LinGen, or similar devices, using your CST?

SL

   
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I believe in facts and logic, not speculation. The question is that reasonable doubt must be removed, it is not, and the effect be replicated by a third party, it is not. The correct functioning of his machine remains therefore a hypothesis.

Agreed, some have implied the working principal is already know however we know this is not the case...

What we know is that supposedly a weak magnetic field may align some electron spins and may somehow produce a stronger magnetic field due to other unknown secondary process(s). There are some details but none even remotely close to allow anyone to replicate a working device.

For example, we could look at the countless failed Kapanadze/Rusan replications. Most had circuit diagrams, they had the layout and specifications, they replicated the device so it looked identical but none worked to my knowledge. The lesson here is that superficial appearances and beliefs do not matter but a solid working principal based on science fact, logic and reason does.

Feynman's First Principals are quite possibly the best FE guide I have ever read...https://blog.dtssydney.com/richard-feynmans-principles-of-scientific-thinking

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The Feynman Principles:

   "The first principle is that you must not fool yourself, and you are the easiest person to fool."
    "Scientific knowledge is a body of statements of varying degrees of certainty — some most unsure, some nearly sure, but none absolutely certain."
    "Permit us to question — to doubt — to not be sure."
    "Have no respect whatsoever for authority; forget who said it and instead look what he starts with, where he ends up, and ask yourself, 'Is it reasonable?'"
    "There is one feature I notice that is generally missing in cargo cult science (junk science) … It's a kind of scientific integrity, a principle of scientific thought that corresponds to a kind of utter honesty."
    "If you're doing an experiment, you should report everything that you think might make it invalid — not only what you think is right about it."
    "Scientific knowledge is an enabling power to do either good or bad — but it does not carry instructions on how to use it."
    "If we suppress all discussion, all criticism, proclaiming 'This is the answer, my friends; man is saved!' we will doom humanity for a long time to the chains of authority, confined to the limits of our present imagination."
    "We make no apologies for making these excursions into other fields, because the separation of fields, as we have emphasised, is merely a human convenience, and an unnatural thing. Nature is not interested in our separations, and many of the interesting phenomena bridge the gaps between fields."
    "Mathematics is not just a language. Mathematics is a language plus reasoning. It's like a language plus logic. Mathematics is a tool for reasoning."
    "I learned very early the difference between knowing the name of something and knowing something."
    "The real problem in speech is not precise language. The problem is clear language."
    "The only way to have real success in science, the field I’m familiar with, is to describe the evidence very carefully without regard to the way you feel it should be."
    "And therefore when we go to investigate we shouldn’t pre-decide what it is we are trying to do except to find out more about it."
    "The exception tests the rule."
    "That is the principle of science. If there is an exception to any rule, and if it can be proved by observation, that rule is wrong."

It's strange isn't it?, many suppose Feynman was a shill somehow trying to lure us away from the truth and yet he said ...
"Have no respect whatsoever for authority; forget who said it and instead look what he starts with, where he ends up, and ask yourself, 'Is it reasonable?'". Yet many would suppose we should blindly follow authority, more so there person flavor of it based on there often unproven false beliefs. It would seem to me Feynman was a true rebel, a real man who claimed that we shouldn't believe anything we should prove it with demonstrable facts.

To be clear I'm not implying Holcomb isn't being honest or that he doesn't have something. What I'm saying is that to date I have seen nothing in the way of a solid working principal to explain there results. It's more like an amateur hour of wild speculation on the internet and few seem willing to debate any real science or theory which could explain there claims. It's not rocket science... how does it work exactly?.

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AC,

You'll be happy to know you have convinced me that this whole Holcomb is a lark. No need for me to carry on with any more development.
No one has even replicated it. Those tiny little magnetic domain things just can't rotate or slide, it's impossible and non of the greats in
science seem to be able to explain anything either.

Anyway, thanks for the great advice and guidance, it's helped me a lot in deciding to THROW IN THE TOWEL. To bad in a way
since the simulations and all appeared to actually prove the concept at least.

I'll check in from time to time just in case someone here has a break-through but I'm not optomistic.

Breaks my poor little heart having put so much of my time and effort into something, just to find out it was all for not.

Oh well - as you said - not my first (bad) rodeo!  Looking forward to some serious sailing however - put this nightmare far in the past.

Take care, and have a good one...

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I have stopped modeling in the electrostatic or quasi-static domain, the computation time of CST is way too long, much more than for the far field computation of antennas, when I would have thought it would be the opposite.
I don't know what the "Lingen" is, and neither does the "Saturday Afternoon".

@AC
I agree with what Feldman says.
For the question of "authority", I think he is talking about the authority of institutions, of power. But everyone has an authority to recognize, that of competence, unless he is the No. 1 in his field. Even if it may seem pretentious to say so, this authority of competence is mine to evaluate. In a field in which he has little mastery, everyone must at least learn a minimum to know who to lean on.
Note that Feldman concludes with:
"If there is an exception to any rule, and if it can be proved by observation, that rule is wrong."
Holcomb's machine is an exception to the rule. Only facts from observations can confirm it, and the facts are not necessarily what Holcomb says they are.



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Oh
Reply number 251 here
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg99809;topicseen#msg99809

For some reason I am unable to open the PDF

however hopefully someone will be able to and share !
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I would like to look at Holcomb's device from a different perspective for a moment and that is, from a business man's point of view which I consider myself to be, although retired.

Have any of you, after viewing the various Holcomb videos, wondered why he would construct the seemingly large number of his devices if they didn't work or show some means of gain?  He appears to have around six employees or so and look at the various measurement equipment mounted in the numerous rack panels.  I mean this represents a rather large investment by someone, does it not?

As an investor and retired business owner, I would have stopped the bleeding long before he reached the point he is currently at.  So, logic says that he really does have something or he has the dumbest investors known to man!!!

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I can't believe that Holcomb would invest so much money if they did not have their own research data that tells them they are on to something positive.  Their explanations for where the power comes from are wrong, but that does not preclude them from having discovered something important.  I have to smile when they claim reduced reverse torque for their solid state solutions.  I am playing with simulations of rotating magnetic fields that are easily achieved within ring cores (that is within the hole in the donut) that have partial windings driven with sine waves.  You can get rotation rates of 1 million revs per second quite easily in practice.  Now at those rates this brings in something that is well known and used in machine designs.  The voltage induced into a coil comes from the change of flux through the coil and that flux has two components.  In generators there is the change of flux as the coil moves within a magnetic field, but there is also the self flux from load current through the coil.  So if the flux from coil movement is sinusoidal (as it usually is) there is another sinusoidal self flux present within the coil that is 90 degree shifted in phase.  This creates what is known as armature reaction where the brushes can be moved to a slightly different angular position for maximum efficiency.  This effect gets larger as the frequency increases, but because rotary machines have a maximum limit on their revs the effect never gets explored to its limit.  Interestingly we can create rotating fields against fixed coils where we can explore those limits, and that is what I am doing.  And since mechanical back torque does not come into play, it comes down to whether this extra phase shift that applies to Lenz's Law can offer anything useful.  All I can say at the moment is that I am getting unusual results that need verifying but it could mean that this is a route to overcome Lenz's Law.  If so Holcomb may be correct in claiming OU.  So I would ask Solarlab to stay in touch.

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Reply number 251 here
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg99809;topicseen#msg99809

For some reason I am unable to open the PDF

however hopefully someone will be able to and share !
Respectfully
Chet

Thanks for the link to the pdf, which here opens up nicely. But I still don't see what we want to do.
As Feyman quoted above "The real problem in speech is not precise language. The problem is clear language."



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I can't believe that Holcomb would invest so much money if they did not have their own research data that tells them they are on to something positive.

Do you remember RAR energia, Brazil?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9BV6nb79fA
Huge resources were put into it, and it never came to anything.
There are always people who are convinced that they are right when they are wrong, and ready to spend crazy amounts of money to end up with very predictable fiascoes.
I'm not saying that Holcomb is one of those people, but until proven otherwise, it's within the realm of possibility, not to mention probability.

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...All I can say at the moment is that I am getting unusual results that need verifying but it could mean that this is a route to overcome Lenz's Law.
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If Lenz's law is overcome, not only Maxwell's electromagnetism, but also Einstein's relativity will be "overcome".

The simulations are made from the laws of electromagnetism. If they show something incompatible with them, it is either a bug or an unrealistic parameterization.


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Re The Brazilian bread slicer gizmo
I haven’t spoken with them in quite some time
However
It was pocket change and a hobby to the owner!

Nothing like Holcomb’s decades long journey (almost life long)
And his commitment to this goal …patents as well his professional reputation!
Yes …
He has been shipping ready for at least one month .?
However I have not heard of product actually going out
To customers yet ( hope to hear soon

Also I believe a discussion is taking place on Solarlabs pdf
And how to proceed .

Any useful suggestions there ( pdf)
PLEASE ( any reader with helpful comment !
Speak up !
Respectfully
Chet K
Ps
There is a chance that if this pdf or a few other FE ideas being discussed at this time
Show potential ?
There might be a place for TinselKoala at the dormant Florida lab !
(Already presented the idea





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