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Advanced CONTROLLER

Not going to spend any time on this advanced controller concept but a few notes
might get you started if your interested.

The focus is an STMicroelectronics STM32X.... microcomputer, in particular, using the
Timer to setup a psuedo PWM scheme to sequence the Coil Drivers. Being
programmable, this is of great value while engineering/testing your design.

There are thousands of sources re: the STM32X so I'll only point to one:

https://www.youtube.com/c/SMtrainingacademy

Some good starting videos are here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYnaVXanRs4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0_hfbT7vWA

Good luck and have a gread day!

SL

 
   
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Hmmm
This type post looks awful familiar…..

Maybe there should be a build topic started ( or not ?

Generic repetitive Interruptions are not permitted at build topics !


Gee, sorry, I never realized that!

   
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Controller (continued)

To have more than one pseudo PWM synchronized signals, that is, they can be configured to retain
synced charateritics, etc., one technique is use "center alligned" with multiple registers "CCR."

This is demonstrated in the video, starting at around 10:24.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkrVHIcLGww

Two such synched simultaneous channels are shown. Hopefully you get the idea...
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Controller (continued)

Two more items to finish this off

(I'm sure you can appreciate that my heart really isn't into presenting stuff here anymore
but I'll complete the scenario with the two remaining items
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The Controller can also be used to help guard against "Feed-Through" when using FETs
in a Half or Full Bridge configuration

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDaC2N-33Oo

A Slider on the LCD (for Controller boards with an LCD) can be configured using TouchGFX
to Adjust the PWM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzNEZIi2Gb0

OK, that's it!

Have fun, or whatever...

[However, I do look forward to reviewing/critiqueing F6FLT's, Grumpy's and Chet K's FE Designs!]
   

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Hmmm
This type post looks awful familiar…..

Maybe there should be a build topic started ( or not ?

Generic repetitive Interruptions are not permitted at build topics !

I agree. This is a "debate" topic.
   

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[However, I do look forward to reviewing/critiqueing F6FLT's, Grumpy's and Chet K's FE Designs!]

Have you ever actually built anything?

Anyone who has can take a look at Holcomb's devices and see they are very expensive to produce.

Then there are the endless questions of which components and which materials to use.

Then you have to source them and wait for shipping.

Then you have to fabricate some of the parts. 

Then there is testing and altering your creation.

Then, after all that time and money, you may want to alter your device or build another one.

However, I do look forward to reviewing/critiquing your FE device after if it is ever built!
   
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Have you ever actually built anything?

Anyone who has can take a look at Holcomb's devices and see they are very expensive to produce.

Then there are the endless questions of which components and which materials to use.

Then you have to source them and wait for shipping.

Then you have to fabricate some of the parts. 

Then there is testing and altering your creation.

Then, after all that time and money, you may want to alter your device or build another one.

However, I do look forward to reviewing/critiquing your FE device after if it is ever built!



Grumpy,

Could you point me to some of your completed devices along with your documentation, detailed analysis
theory of operation and varified test results?

Even a "paper design" that you have completed would be of interest.
A CAE simulation would be of interest as well, if available.

I'd like to review them and maybe offer a few comments.  Thanks in advance.

SL


   

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You're not even worth arguing with.
   
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You're not even worth arguing with.


Why?  If you have nothing, at all, just say so - don't get grumpy!

We can always keep arguing over the Holcomb devices or the "LinGen."
It's been a lot of fun so far - right?



   

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Why?  If you have nothing, at all, just say so - don't get grumpy!

We can always keep arguing over the Holcomb devices or the "LinGen."
It's been a lot of fun so far - right?

I posted a few pictures of my AVEC build that I am still working on.
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4335.msg101012#msg101012

Information on how to build it is located here:
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=369.0

The board is a prototype MOSFET driver board.  Old school.  No need to have a board made when you are still working things out.  Adding a RC differentiator to reduce the trigger pulse width today.  Still need a snubber for the MOSFETs.  (Avalanche transistor are much faster.)

I had to make my own tools to wind the six coils.

The toroidal thing is the AVEC at two different stages of assembly.  Finally figured out what the mica sheets were for...LOL!

I'm currently working to get the pulse width down to reduce the power consumption so I can use a smaller HV power supply.

The coils are pulsed with 1500v minimum for it to work, but I have not gone over 300v yet (sequentially to all coils) as I am still adjusting and testing.
   
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Nice work!

Will have to reiew the other thread(s) to figure out what you're trying to accomplish
but it looks interesting [some good pictures - wish I had a real camera, Polaroid ScopeDocCam only].

Noticed you just started a new thread a few minutes ago so I'll wait for you to get it
a little further along before I comment (unless you're just going to sensor my comments,
they might be brutal, in that case I won't bother you).

Maybe you could include a detailed block diagram with a simple description of the theory
and your objectives. I don't have a problem reading patents, papers and such.

But, like most folks, I like to avoid hashing through dozens of thread pages trying to find
something of value.

   

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That topic with the pictures is to document my 2022 build progress.

Information on how to build it is located here:
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=369.0

I suggest reading the PDF, but it will be hard to understand if you are not familiar with Steven Mark's TPU or Centraflow's STEAP.

Many of use believed that the TPU was one of the few legitimate OU devices.

Spheric's provided the AVEC information when we were trying to figure out the TPU (with little success).  Only one (public?) build was completed, but only used 1000v.  The minimum is 1500v (pulses).

The basic premise:
1. Coils that generate "radiant energy" are placed in a circle and sequentially triggered with HV pulses of at least 1500v. This creates a rotating field (of what?).  Spheric's said it is "rotating ether".
2. Separate coils inside and outside the ring are powered with DC, at least 24v.
3. The rotating field (?) interacts with the static magnetic field to produce a field that is like a rotating magnetic field.
4. Current is induced into a toroidal coil that is wound over the ring of six coils.
5. You can also place two separate copper rods into this rotating field and measure significant voltage and current.
6.  If your geometry is good, and with certain field orientations, you start to produce something called "cold current" that will allow you to disconnect the batteries to the static coils and they will continue to function as if connected.  A large capacitor is required for this.

Hence my perpetual interest in trying to figure out what RE and cold current are...

   
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Looks like this "Holcomb and other FE technology debate" thread will/has become
"...other FE technology debate" and will hopefully focus more on the Steven Mark's
TPU or Centraflow's STEAP devices.

Since it appears the Holcomb device has pretty much run it's gauntlet here, I look forward
to learning more about the TPU and STEAP.

Hopefully some breakthroughs with respect to these devices will also be unearthed here
thus providing more choices for development. Only time, and some hard work, will tell.

Anyway, a study the Holcomb "LinGen" device presented in the previous pages might
prove of value as well. It's probably one of the less "pie-in-the-sky" excess energy schemes
that has surfaced; and it's good to see fielding of LinGen's Big Brother is finding it's way to market.

Good Luck to you all and keep fighting - not really much of choice is there!

SL

   

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Looks like this "Holcomb and other FE technology debate" thread will/has become
"...other FE technology debate" and will hopefully focus more on the Steven Mark's
TPU or Centraflow's STEAP devices.

Since it appears the Holcomb device has pretty much run it's gauntlet here, I look forward
to learning more about the TPU and STEAP.

Hopefully some breakthroughs with respect to these devices will also be unearthed here
thus providing more choices for development. Only time, and some hard work, will tell.

Anyway, a study the Holcomb "LinGen" device presented in the previous pages might
prove of value as well. It's probably one of the less "pie-in-the-sky" excess energy schemes
that has surfaced; and it's good to see fielding of LinGen's Big Brother is finding it's way to market.

Good Luck to you all and keep fighting - not really much of choice is there!

SL

Centraflow has a working device and it has it's own thread.
Other devices related to the TPU have not been proven yet.
Some of of the working principles have been proven, and are quite interesting.
   
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Centraflow has a working device and it has it's own thread.
Other devices related to the TPU have not been proven yet.
Some of of the working principles have been proven, and are quite interesting.

Thanks for the info - had a quick look at Centrflow's thread, quite interesting.

Just over 700W at 178V - impressive - hope he can find a "fix" for the meltdown problem!

Unfortunate "Centraflow - Mike" mentioned moving the "good stuff" to a members only thread:

"Soon I will  give some new information in a different thread, only for members of this forum  and
not to be repeated outside this forum, please, if built and working it "could" be a health hazard, not
completely known yet."


That would make it a bit difficult to study or analyze further. Anyway, will keep tabs on the progress...

Moving or rotating magnetic fields created by the simple B-H interaction still appears to be a
lot simpler (and safer by the sound of it) - to me at least - but then again, I am more familiar with the
magnetics techniques and off-set coil pulsing!



   
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BTW - the STM32Fxxx CONTROLLER is shown as the CONTROLLER
(microprocessor) (logic) part of the LinGen BLOCK DIAGRAM.

In the LinGen Evaluation BrassBoard the copper coloured parts are
the Coils. Lower Left side view - top COILS are 4-N and 4-S.

The Lower Left side view - bottom COIL is the Lap Winding.

Gray "structure" is Electrical Steel (Soft Iron) 2 slotted pieces
3" x 5" per cell. Cells can be cascaded series and/or parallel.   

Not very complex or expensive, even with a fancy Controller
($50 with fancy Touch-LCD, <$20 without LCD)
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Output (green) and excess energy for 2 cycles [& rising] (orange)

See the documentation and simulations for full details.
   
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Rather than waste this "double post dot space", here's an OT for

Chris over at "Aboveunity.com"

Thanks for checking in, hope you're enjoying "excess energy" for real!  :)

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 Chris posted this 7 hours ago - Last edited 4 hours ago

My Friends,

Is anyone reading what's going on here: https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.325

Two Pages of it...

Only One Person posting anything worth while! Only One Person progressing! OMG!!!

Best Wishes,

   Chris

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Still waiting for you guys to show us all how it's done! You know - "Light years ahead"

Have a good one...

SL - Solarlab - you know - the guy you banned for suggesting the use of CAE as a design tool    ;)

Sorry Chris, but I couldn't help myself:
https://www.aboveunity.com/thread/continued-failure-of-electromagnetic-simulation/?order=all#comment-225e3a92-b7eb-4d6d-8211-aee401746440
Hey, if your so convinced about the "Continued Failure of Electromagnetic Simulation" - how come it actually works - oh well! Maybe, RTFM.


« Last Edit: 2022-09-25, 06:08:24 by solarlab »
   
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Sir
This is an open source forum
Not sure at all why you are writing this taunting  post accross forums?
Or advertising ( starting ) some battle ?

This is truly weird! As posts like this have never been written here !

For clarity The ultimate goal as mentioned many times by Mike is open source and also he has written many times
He has no financial interests !
There are persons who will help with this open source effort and not pose a financial liability !(injury lawsuits) to Mike while being good stewards of the tech ( making sure it gets out to world !

And his reasoning for “forum member” topic during this time !

 once sorted it will obviously be something available to all ( yes even person you seemingly  …taunt ..??

Please no more of this here ( what you can do in pm or emails.

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Actually I am going to check with Peter on this !
We are his guests here !
Edit again
Yes did speak with Peter
Please just do what we do here !
Working towards the goal !

Not unnecessary battles or other distractions!

Hopefully others will do likewise!

EDIT
Having also lived on a boat .. I know weather is always a big deal
I see you are hopefully out of the big impact in Florida!

However others not so fortunate
 




« Last Edit: 2022-09-25, 15:13:53 by Chet K »
   
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IMO as I've stated before, Lenz can be defeated by means of a constant current or voltage load and each can produce excess energy if the induction source is a moving magnetic or electromagnetic field [as in the Holcomb device] and the output is properly organized.

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Pm

You will have to prove experimentally what you arbitrarily state, and I can tell that you will fail because it is wrong.
Thanks to relativity, we can understand that Lenz's law is due to the reciprocal effect of a relative motion between charges, so it doesn't depend on whether a charge is in the load circuit or the source circuit. One charge cannot be in the field of the other and the other out of its own, the charges always feel each other.



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Test - post disappeared

Banned?

Re-test... Just wanted to let Chris know I did not
appreciate his demeaning all you fellows over here!

Wasn't that nasty or anything, IMHO, plus his group
might have some new FE ideas - curious, thats all.

And yea, time to get the boat moored in deeper water!
   
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Some complain that a Simulation using Computer Aided Engineering is not the way to prove anything!

Let me explain:

We have all seen in-person and youtube video demonstrations of "claimed" overunity or FE/CE devices. Everyone cries "FAKE" "
Hidden Wires" "Out-of-site Transmitters" and on and on. The next cry is "It can't be re-produced or replicated." Or the old stand-by
 "No such thing as excess Energy, OU, FE is possible; it's against Newtons Laws, Impossible, and bla bla bla.

You all know the senarios, dare to say some of you have even participated in them.

So, this was my solution:

The work-around is fundamentally simple. Use a high level professional CAE tool to analyze a device and show the simulation results.
No hidden wires or any of the other claimed nonsense - just data. CAE is accepted by every major design entity - it's valid.

Yea but the simulation was "cooked," a fair enough claim from the skeptics. Work-around; don't distribute the "codes or models," give
them a basic diagram and required documents and background information.

Then let these skeptics do their own similar work; build up their own models and CAE analysis setups. Turn their own "crank" so to
speak - if their results differ, it's easy enough to find any inconsistent parts. If their results are similar then, not only have they proven
the device characteristics are valid, but they have now learned something more, and they now know how and why it works; plus, there
is usable documentation!

Once there are a few CAE successes, distribute prototypes for Beta Tests. By that time it would be impossible to stop or control by anyone!

A very elegant solution... so I'll stick with it.   You may not agree, thats fine, but what are the choices, not many I dare say!

SL

   
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You will have to prove experimentally what you arbitrarily state, and I can tell that you will fail because it is wrong.
Thanks to relativity, we can understand that Lenz's law is due to the reciprocal effect of a relative motion between charges, so it doesn't depend on whether a charge is in the load circuit or the source circuit. One charge cannot be in the field of the other and the other out of its own, the charges always feel each other.

I really don't know squat about relativity as I'm a high school drop out and wouldn't claim otherwise!  So, I doubt you will understand the attached paper below as we stand on completely different levels of education, however, I would suggest you give it a look before you state "you will fail because it is wrong".  Oh, and if I am wrong, please point out the errors so I will learn.

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Wrong, because it is incompatible with a theory that has been proven beyond doubt, whereas this paper by Flickinger has to do it. And this paper won't do it, it's such a nonsense. One could also "cancel" Lenz's law by supplying the secondary with a voltage equal to that of the primary! I am always ready to explain things, but there are limits to the waste of time.

As for relativity, I didn't learn it at school, but by myself, in the 2000's, and it took me 10 years before it was more or less clear. Anyone can do it, but it's more work than repeating the fable of Lenz's law being broken. :)


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Reading the explanations in Holcomb's patents, he says that the back torque is greatly reduced, not that it is non-existent.  I also note that he mentions the use of mu-metal to "block" magnetic fields.
   
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Wrong, because it is incompatible with a theory that has been proven beyond doubt, whereas this paper by Flickinger has to do it. And this paper won't do it, it's such a nonsense.

I'm sorry but your first sentence makes no sense to me.  I would have to ask though "incompatible with what theory?". 

If the paper is such nonsense, then how do you explain the attached simple bench test which you've seen a similar version before but gave no response?  Here we have a 24 turn flat 50uH air coil that is connected to a fixed 11.47mH coil that is the constant current source that is biased at 100.6ma.  Certainly not an ideal current source but sufficient to make the point.  Now, a flat ferrite PM with the N pole facing the coil is passed over 1/2 of the 24T flat coil which produces the current wave form seen in CH4(grn) of the scope pix.  The current peaks at 141.8ma at 17.49ms.

Several thing to note that are not apparent.  First, the polarity of the bias current from Lcc [the 11.47mH inductor] creates an electromagnetic field in L1[50uH air coil] that attracts the PM to L1 as the PM approaches L1.  As the current in L1 and Lcc increase, this attraction increases.  Then at the very peak current of 100.6 141.8ma, we disconnect Lcc from L1 and discharge Lcc into a DC source back to the starting 100.6ma level and we recover this energy which is (.1418^2-.1006^2)*11.47e-3/2 = 57uJ.  At the same time, L1 is opened and the energy is dissipated in the current shuttling between L1's inductance and self capacitance.  IOW, it quickly "rings" down.  This action produces another attraction to the PM only this time it is as the PM leaves L1.  The two attractions nearly cancel each other resulting in a very low net drag on the PM.  The energy stored in L1 as a result of the bias current is .1006^2*50e-6/2 = 253nJ which is thrown away and neglected.

IMO, I see a net gain of ~57uJ from a current sourced load!  What do you see?

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One could also "cancel" Lenz's law by supplying the secondary with a voltage equal to that of the primary! I am always ready to explain things, but there are limits to the waste of time.

I'm certainly sorry to be a waste of your time but let me make a comment on your bold statement above.  If you would allow yourself a little bit of time 'outside the box', you would see the importance of this statement!  For example, have you considered the ramifications of such a setup if there was a bias current present with the proper polarities?

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As for relativity, I didn't learn it at school, but by myself, in the 2000's, and it took me 10 years before it was more or less clear. Anyone can do it, but it's more work than repeating the fable of Lenz's law being broken. :)

Good for you!  Are you still sure about the "fable"?

Regards,
Pm
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