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Re: Holcomb and other FE technology debate « Reply #75 on: 2022-04-16, 15:21:52 »
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Quote from: Cadman on 2022-04-16, 13:34:37
I think you guys may be over-analyzing it? The layman’s answer might be as simple as - the source of the additional magnetic flux is the intermediate winding ring. The center windings induce the intermediate windings which in turn induce the outer windings with their own magnetic field which is separate from the center winding field.

As for all the verbiage in the patents, maybe it’s “If you can’t convince them with logic, then baffle ‘em with bullshit.”

I have read the patent multiple times now and could not find anything that can be considered innovative. It truly is nothing more than a transformer setup in a circular form that somehow violates all physical laws. I guess this makes validation easier than ideas that include some hidden exotic material or controlling circuit. The industry has become quite adept at mass producing these types of machines even their classic wire windings could be significantly improved by using what's called hairpin windings.

Here's a nice video of how modern production lines of such machines look: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsbzJW30eUQ

They could easily partner with a company that could pump out a dozen of prototypes in no time and send them to labs for verification. We'll see how this plays out  C.C.
   
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Re: Holcomb and other FE technology debate « Reply #76 on: 2022-04-16, 16:06:07 »

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The geometry of his non-rotor is nothing like that of conventional rotors, and certainly nothing like transformer cores.  Those long radial tapering spokes could introduce some unusual effects.  The field along the spokes will not be uniform because of the taper and note that he only uses conductive material.  Spin polarised conduction electrons will be drawn along the field gradient attracted to the point of maximum field, which is the inner end of the energised spoke.  Thus in his pulsed sequences there is this electron pumping going on that will affect the fields that couple to the stator coils.  I can imagine the surges in this pumping effect being synchronized so as to provide anomalous energy transfer, with that energy coming from the spins of those conduction electrons.  If the conduction electrons arrive at the rotor pole face while the field at the stator pole due to the load current (the Lenz field) is changing, the changing A field that produces the well known BEMF electric field could be of a polarity that tries to slow down the spins of those electrons.  That is a recipe for OU.  Note that the driving force on the conduction electrons is the field gradient along the spokes, and not the usual electric force coming from a changing magnetic field so there is opportunity to arrange the phasing to achieve the desired effect.  Maybe he found this by accident and doesn't know it.

Edit added info.  Note that a deficit of conduction electrons at the rotor pole face is just as effective as a surge, but in this case it is the spins in the lattice ions there that supply the anomalous energy.

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Re: Holcomb and other FE technology debate « Reply #77 on: 2022-04-16, 16:39:46 »
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Prof. Mahmoud Riaz made a very interesting post about his analysis of the HES generator here https://overunity.com/19069/holcomb-energy-systemsbreakthrough-technology-to-the-world/msg565209/#msg565209 with a link to his animated sim at http://www.ece.umn.edu/users/riaz/animations/sinvec.html

Nobody acknowledged his post at the time. Would anyone here care to comment on it?



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Re: Holcomb and other FE technology debate « Reply #78 on: 2022-04-16, 17:54:59 »
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Sorry for the long post but this is very important towards understanding (analyzing) Holcomb's and other devices.

Two Electromagnetic Equations - Yield the Same Results

Of the four laws of electromagnetism, let's consider only Lorentz Force and Faraday's Law of induction. They both arrive at the same answer; but their mechanisms are different. Some may say Faraday's Law is associated with Lenz whereas Lorentz is not - Faraday deals with an alternating magnetic field - Lorentz deals with a sweeping (traveling) magnetic field.

Review the earlier "Asymetric transformers - AAbramovich Discussions" section "Equivalence of induction according to Lorentz and Faraday" and the information below. Note that the differences between Faraday and Lorentz were never really resolved - history - seems Einstein got in the way - since he couldn't solve it, he started a new branch of physics - Special Relativity - and further attempts at a resolution faded. Lots of reading but worth it!

Four Laws of Electromagnetism

https://www.motioncontroltips.com/four-laws-of-electromagnetism-you-should-know/

https://www.vanderbilt.edu/AnS/physics/panvini/p110a/lect37c.html

Why Faraday's law and Lorentz force create the same electromotive force?

The Faraday’s induction formula (flux rule) of electromagnetism says that the electromotive force (emf) created in a conducting circuit is equal to the rate at which the magnetic flux through the conducting circuit changes as it is written on a high school text in physics. This emf can be calculated in two ways: either by using the Lorentz force formula and calculating the force acting on electrons in the moving conductor of the circuit; or via one of Maxwell’s equations (Faraday’s law) and calculating the change of the magnetic flux penetrating through the circuit. The Lorentz force formula and Maxwell’s equations are two distinct physical laws, yet the two methods yield the same results.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/09/170926085958.htm

Includes a bit more "history" - Faraday's Law of Induction:

https://www.dataforth.com/faradays-law-of-induction.aspx

... "This is not exactly what Faraday described but was called Faraday’s Law by Oliver Heaviside. It does not include the movement emf; that is the force effect Faraday found. The magnetic force is called Lorentz force. Current flowing in a wire in the presence of a magnetic field will experience a force and move if not restrained. In this case, magnetic energy is released kinetically." ...

" The previous mention of the relative motion of magnetic field and electric circuit has had considerable thought by many, well-known physicists. Richard Feynman stated: (1)

So the "flux rule" that the emf in a circuit is equal to the rate of change of the magnetic flux through the circuit applies whether the flux changes because the field changes or because the circuit moves (or both) …

Yet in our explanation for the rule we have used two completely distinct laws for the two cases Faraday's Law equation (both vector quantities: -v x B) for "circuit moves" and Faraday's Law equation (vector: V x E = -dtB) for "field changes".

We know of no other place in physics where such a simple and accurate general principle requires for its real understanding an analysis in terms of two different phenomena.

Richard P. Feynman, The Feynman Lectures on Physics

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Lorentz Force 3d view animation video (Lorentz is near the end, 6:26)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZ9YRWYv2cY

---------------------------- Food for thought ---------

Professor Eric Laithwaite: Magnetic River 1975

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OI_HFnNTfyU

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So the question arrises: Does your 3D/2D CAE EM Maxwell's equation based analysis also include Lorentz Force?

CST - TBD, test solution against numerical.
Ansys EM - TBD, test solution against numerical.
COMSOL - allows review of equations used - check analysis insitu - test solutions.
   
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Re: Holcomb and other FE technology debate « Reply #79 on: 2022-04-16, 20:41:14 »
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3 ways of induction:
flux change - create emf
circuit move through flux - create emf
flux move through circuit - ??? create displacement current ????
   
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Re: Holcomb and other FE technology debate « Reply #80 on: 2022-04-16, 23:37:52 »
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So the "flux rule" that the emf in a circuit is equal to the rate of change of the magnetic flux through the circuit applies whether the flux changes because the field changes or because the circuit moves (or both) …
Yet in our explanation for the rule we have used two completely distinct laws for the two cases Faraday's Law equation (both vector quantities: -v x B) for "circuit moves" and Faraday's Law equation (vector: V x E = -dtB) for "field changes".

I find this confusing because I don't recognize the difference. It comes down to the conductor or magnet moving but from the perspective of a conduction electron it doesn't matter. I understand there perspective it just seems backwards to me. I generally use an inside looking outward perspective where everyone tends to do the opposite which makes no sense. I mean, if I was standing on an electron both motions(conductor or magnet) look the same.

https://www.motioncontroltips.com/four-laws-of-electromagnetism-you-should-know/
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The Lorentz force is the force that a particle experiences due to electric and magnetic fields. Electric fields exert a force on a particle whether it is moving or not, while magnetic fields exert a force only when the particle is in motion.

I thought this was interesting and relates to some of my experiments with cylindrical magnets spinning on the polar axis. Many still falsely believe the magnetic field or it's imaginary field lines are spinning however this isn't the case. In fact I invented a magnetic bearing stabilizer based on this fact. No eddy currents are induced in a conductor by a magnet spinning on the polar axis and it is only when it moves off axis (a moving field) that a counter force is induced. This is also in line with Feynman's assertion that the magnetic field is a property of the "space" in and around the magnet not the magnet itself. Many cannot seem to wrap there mind around this concept, the magnet is just a cloud of kinetic particles but the field extends well beyond this into supposedly empty space. In which case the magnet is simply a cause which has effected something in the space around it... mind boggling.

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flux change - create emf
circuit move through flux - create emf

I have found and recognize six discrete forms of induction to date.

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Re: Holcomb and other FE technology debate « Reply #81 on: 2022-04-17, 01:07:01 »
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3 ways of induction:
flux change - create emf
circuit move through flux - create emf
flux move through circuit - ??? create displacement current ????

Displacement Current

This short video provides an brief overview:

The Mathematical Derivation of the Formula for Displacement Current

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjOly3h7brs

An attached pdf IMHO is one of the better brief explainations.
Although it's a Wikipedia page (which I make a point of not referencing), this one seems pretty good - from the RU Wikipedia site.

Hope this helps shed some light on what appeared to be a query.
   
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Re: Holcomb and other FE technology debate « Reply #82 on: 2022-04-17, 01:23:56 »
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I find this confusing because I don't recognize the difference. It comes down to the conductor or magnet moving but from the perspective of a conduction electron it doesn't matter. I understand there perspective it just seems backwards to me. I generally use an inside looking outward perspective where everyone tends to do the opposite which makes no sense. I mean, if I was standing on an electron both motions(conductor or magnet) look the same.

https://www.motioncontroltips.com/four-laws-of-electromagnetism-you-should-know/
I thought this was interesting and relates to some of my experiments with cylindrical magnets spinning on the polar axis. Many still falsely believe the magnetic field or it's imaginary field lines are spinning however this isn't the case. In fact I invented a magnetic bearing stabilizer based on this fact. No eddy currents are induced in a conductor by a magnet spinning on the polar axis and it is only when it moves off axis (a moving field) that a counter force is induced. This is also in line with Feynman's assertion that the magnetic field is a property of the "space" in and around the magnet not the magnet itself. Many cannot seem to wrap there mind around this concept, the magnet is just a cloud of kinetic particles but the field extends well beyond this into supposedly empty space. In which case the magnet is simply a cause which has effected something in the space around it... mind boggling.

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I have found and recognize six discrete forms of induction to date.

Regards
AC

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"I understand there perspective it just seems backwards to me. I generally use an inside looking outward perspective where everyone tends to do the opposite which makes no sense."

No, please no! Don't start another "Theory of Relativity - #2" One is more than enough!  ;)

To the best of my knowledge, as Feynman states - this still hasn't been adequetly resolved.

The concept of "conduction" and "displacement" current (being the same but different) still has me  ???
   
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Re: Holcomb and other FE technology debate « Reply #83 on: 2022-04-17, 08:52:38 »
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The geometry of his non-rotor is nothing like that of conventional rotors, and certainly nothing like transformer cores.  Those long radial tapering spokes could introduce some unusual effects.  The field along the spokes will not be uniform because of the taper and note that he only uses conductive material.  Spin polarised conduction electrons will be drawn along the field gradient attracted to the point of maximum field, which is the inner end of the energised spoke.  Thus in his pulsed sequences there is this electron pumping going on that will affect the fields that couple to the stator coils.  I can imagine the surges in this pumping effect being synchronized so as to provide anomalous energy transfer, with that energy coming from the spins of those conduction electrons.  If the conduction electrons arrive at the rotor pole face while the field at the stator pole due to the load current (the Lenz field) is changing, the changing A field that produces the well known BEMF electric field could be of a polarity that tries to slow down the spins of those electrons.  That is a recipe for OU.  Note that the driving force on the conduction electrons is the field gradient along the spokes, and not the usual electric force coming from a changing magnetic field so there is opportunity to arrange the phasing to achieve the desired effect.  Maybe he found this by accident and doesn't know it.

Edit added info.  Note that a deficit of conduction electrons at the rotor pole face is just as effective as a surge, but in this case it is the spins in the lattice ions there that supply the anomalous energy.

Smudge

For sure ferromagnetic materials do weird things at certain frequencies. Many "forgotten" experiments by the excellent JNaudin have also highlighted this in the past: http://jnaudin.free.fr/dlenz/indexen.htm

One of the most signifanct experiment is probably this one: http://jnaudin.free.fr/dlenz/DLE22en.htm
Where he shows a 180°! phase shift between the applied field and ferromagnetic core just a few cm's away from the coil causing the field. You can see that the wave is not shifting when he moved the hall probe but goes through a node and reverses exactly like a standing wave. That's a huge delay and as I said earlier could be the "delayed magnetization" effect and explain why there would be no back emf coupling in Holcomb device. So as you mention geometry is definitely key.

I don't think these effects have been explored enough, however Holcomb does not mention any of this, either his device is using these effects without his knowledge or it's quite simply a fraud.
   
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Re: Holcomb and other FE technology debate « Reply #84 on: 2022-04-18, 11:30:43 »
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One of the most signifanct experiment is probably this one: http://jnaudin.free.fr/dlenz/DLE22en.htm
Where he shows a 180°! phase shift between the applied field and ferromagnetic core just a few cm's away from the coil causing the field.
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Classical electromagnetism, nothing is instantaneous except when one makes valid approximations in many cases and one starts to believe that it would be the general case.
There is nothing innovative in this idea, see :
https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4273.msg98584#msg98584


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Re: Holcomb and other FE technology debate « Reply #85 on: 2022-04-18, 20:35:44 »
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Interesting (maybe - ?)

A few years back the media and forums were buzzing with the news that a couple of Brazillian fellows had a scheme of "tapping" into the power grid without increasing the existing meter consumption - generate KWH for free. Many studied their system but, as I recall, no one really deciphered how their system operated.

Anyway, have a look at this early (2012) patent from Holcolmb: US 2012/0007708 A1.

https://patents.google.com/patent/US20120007708A1/en?oq=US+2012%2f0007708+

From the Abstract:

" A solid state rotary filed (sic - field?) electric power cogeneration unit and method is disclosed for converting a portion of the flowing current (electrons) in the neutral leads of any alternating electric power system into usable electric power (energy) without negatively changing the power status of the primary or power side of the system and simultaneously effecting more efficient functioning of the neutral and/or ground neutral portion of the system by lowering the impedance."











To be fair - this is a "provisional (you can submit whatever hodge podge you want) and W T F at the end!
      Claims 1 - 44 Cancelled.

FYI: https://patents.justia.com/inventor/robert-ray-holcomb


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Re: Holcomb and other FE technology debate « Reply #86 on: 2022-04-19, 12:06:29 »
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A few years back the media and forums were buzzing with the news that a couple of Brazillian fellows had a scheme of "tapping" into the power grid without increasing the existing meter consumption - generate KWH for free. Many studied their system but, as I recall, no one really deciphered how their system operated.
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It seems to me that the system was well deciphered.
Their setup allowed to deceive the electric meter on the electric network, for a reason related to the way the Brazilian network works with the ground.

That's why today, no Brazilian has free energy.


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Re: Holcomb and other FE technology debate « Reply #87 on: 2022-04-19, 14:02:57 »

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Enjoy your trek through life but leave no tracks
It wasn't free energy, more like theft! is that what your after ? ;D :D ;D

As a matter of interest what device have you built that you cant get going and how far have you got ?

Sil
   
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Re: Holcomb and other FE technology debate « Reply #88 on: 2022-04-19, 14:57:50 »
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Do you mean Barbosa and Leal ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyXVCUyq-9c
   
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Re: Holcomb and other FE technology debate « Reply #89 on: 2022-04-20, 21:13:37 »
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We / I  take a lot of time to technically explain what's going on and how things work.

This discussion section is not for lazy people who don't follow the disclosures closely and the detailed explanations.

There are such things as stupid and insidious questions and comments, meant to derail the message and/or pretend like it hasn't been addressed before.
   
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Re: Holcomb and other FE technology debate « Reply #90 on: 2022-04-21, 18:55:33 »
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Some may recall on or around December 2021 I forcast that a new, clean source of "excess energy" would surface sometime around February 2022.
Well, it did come about:

HOLCOMB ENERGY SYSTEMS
https://www.facebook.com/holcombenergysystems

The approach, methods and techniques have been validated both by HES and detailed CAE analysis also confirms the system is viable. Two pdf's are attached with brief support information.

It is clear my work here regarding Holcolm is moving in the same direction as my work on the Ruslan device, see below; so I will just leave it at that!

https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3926.2500

In particular, one of many, from Reply #2504:

https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3926.msg96542#msg96542

Ruslan type devices - theory and fabrication details were provided in my Replies #18 through #24, including where the primary source of "excess energy" is derived:

https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4154.0



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Re: Holcomb and other FE technology debate « Reply #91 on: 2022-04-21, 20:31:56 »
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Some may recall on or around December 2021 I forcast that a new, clean source of "excess energy" would surface sometime around February 2022.
Well, it did come about:

I also predicted 2022 was the year this technology would come out... I was guessing of course.

My prediction wasn't based on Holcomb, more so the increasing amount of new patents/technology coming out and patterns/chatter on the internet. It also relates to the government UFO disclosures. Many people realized they have been lied to for decades and the UFO debate has for the most part went silent. It went silent because all the critics got caught with there pants down around there ankles and cannot deny UFO's anymore. Ergo, if UFO's are real what else could be and what else have others been lying to us about?.

It always takes time for a new paradigm to take hold in the population. We should also be aware that necessity is the mother of invention. We have been given an ultimatum with respect to climate change and few still believe the bs being spread by the far right groups. Everyone with any intelligence knows the environment is changing and were in big trouble. It simply cannot be denied anymore and people are feeling it's effects first hand.

Add all these instances together (UFO's, advanced technology, climate change, overpopulation, pollution) and the proverbial jig is up. Simply put nobody is buying the bs Russia and these far right groups are peddling anymore. There demanding answers and action.

Do you know what the most common question everyone I know in Alberta has been asking recently?.
How in the hell can all this this even be happening in this day and age?.

The gross incompetence displayed with Covid/vaccines, climate change/fossil fuels, the economy and the continuous wars?. Most thought we had moved past the stupidity and false beliefs were seeing and cannot believe how batshit crazy some people are. It isn't just the younger generation anymore, these are people my age in the older generation over 50. So I suspect were going to be seeing a great deal of change soon...

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Re: Holcomb and other FE technology debate « Reply #92 on: 2022-04-21, 23:15:14 »
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AC,

Some good stuff has been in the works for a while now, but this one likely has the most impact; easy to fabricate, cheap, stable and versatile, plus the electronic parts are now capable of making it happen to it's fullest extent at modest cost.

Several more techniques should be (hopefully) allowed to surface soon - some with a lot more "bang" but unfortunately not so simple or cheap.

Speaking of Alberta - say a big HI to the "great group" at U of A and NAIT, especially the K-Wing gang (if it's still there!). Those were the best of times!  :)

I agree, the turmoil will settle and we'll all be better off for it - but the pendulum will swing hard the other way, as it always does. Good, I guess...

HONK ... HONK!  O0

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Re: Holcomb and other FE technology debate « Reply #93 on: 2022-04-23, 19:51:17 »
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Off-topic but Related - RF activated chemical battery

A number of years back a major telephone company comissioned the lab group to study a rather unique patent relating to a battery. This patent claimed several desirable qualities - small, light weight, 70+ year lifetime and, more interestingly, the ability to be remotely activated from a distance via a radio signal (300MHz) - a 15 to 30 second RF signal burst caused the battery to operate for an hour, or so, while providing about a 1 KW output (110VDC at 10A).

Although viable, the evaluation was terminated due to the devices's high radiation side effect, mitigation cost and regulatory issues. To the best of my knowledge, the battery never became commercially viable but the electro-chemical-radio frequency interactions are quite facinating. Note, although some of the chemical compounds are also found in some current batteries, the need for RF activation doesn't appear.

The patent's complete and provisional specifications is attached (GB763062A published Dec 5, 1956).
   
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Re: Holcomb and other FE technology debate « Reply #94 on: 2022-04-24, 16:11:23 »
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It wasn't free energy, more like theft! is that what your after ? ;D :D ;D

As a matter of interest what device have you built that you cant get going and how far have you got ?

Sil

Brazil Holcolm connection

Addressing a couple of comments regarding Holcomb's "Solid state rotary field electric power cogeneration unit" and the Brazilian "Barbosa and Leal" system.  Just for clairification:

F6FLT commented: "It seems to me that the system was well deciphered.
Their setup allowed to deceive the electric meter on the electric network, for a reason related to the way the Brazilian network works with the ground.
That's why today, no Brazilian has free energy. " and

AllenGrey commented: "It wasn't free energy, more like theft! is that what your after ? ;D :D ;D
As a matter of interest what device have you built that you cant get going and how far have you got ?
Sil"

Let me just say - The Neutral/Ground return is after the Meter, in other words, the electrons have already passed through the meter and have been paid for; so, are you stealing from yoursef?

- Increasing "efficiency," by whatever means possible, is hardly a matter of theft. In fact, it's encouraged by nearly everyone involved, including most users, governments and power providers.

- Replacing incandecent light bulbs with CFLs or LEDs to make better use of the watts consumed is, I believe, law is some places and not considered illegal.

- Same thing applies for increasing the SEER rating on an HVAC; the power company even provides a substantial incentive to you if you do it. This also applies to many other devices both commercial and industrial.

There is ample evidence in Brazil and elsewhere where electrical power end users increase efficiency and this has little or nothing to do with "no Brazilian has free energy."

Forest - yes, those are the two fellows. Thanks!

Just let me add - these two fellows were arrested, if I recall, for theft of two or three power meters belonging to the local power company. Apparently a power company employee (manager) had lent them these meters from his inventory to use in their testing. All lab materials were ceased in a raid (dramatic!). They were released from jail shortly thereafter but the details, and the rest, I do not know...
   
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Re: Holcomb and other FE technology debate « Reply #95 on: 2022-04-24, 18:00:16 »
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Let me just say - The Neutral/Ground return is after the Meter, in other words, the electrons have already passed through the meter and have been paid for; so, are you stealing from yoursef?

- Increasing "efficiency," by whatever means possible, is hardly a matter of theft. In fact, it's encouraged by nearly everyone involved, including most users, governments and power providers.

Many have similar thoughts with respect to the ownership of energy which I relate to the appeal to authority fallacy. It's more a matter of normalcy supposing that only man has the power to transform energy. Despite the fact nature was doing it billions of years before man was even invented, lol.

In fact the conservation of energy demands that we cannot create or destroy energy only transform it. So at best all we can do is move energy from one place to another, we pump energy like water. However we learned some new tricks and now we can extract water from the atmosphere without any lines or pipes. Soon all energy will follow a similar path and our children will not believe us when we tell them we used to burn fossil fuels and use primitive power lines to move energy.

Progress waits for no man...

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Re: Holcomb and other FE technology debate « Reply #96 on: 2022-04-24, 18:07:33 »
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Imho Barbosa and Leal tried to hide the real working principle of device with a ordinary transformer picture on their patent while the principle is the same as in Kapanadze - Tesla transformer.
   
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Re: Holcomb and other FE technology debate « Reply #97 on: 2022-04-24, 23:19:55 »
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Question regarding the Holcomb Patent DC Generator Embodiment

DC Generatos - Topology Types

Conventional DC generators are divided into the following classifications.

Would the Holcolm "fixed rotor and stator" rotating magnetic field generator fall into
any/all of these types?



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             |                                      |                 .
            Self exciting                             Seperately exited              .
             |                                                        .
       -------------------------------------------------------------                           .
       |                             |                      |                         .
   Shunt generator              Series generator           Compound generator           .
                                                  |                      .
                                      ---------------------------------        .
                                      |                                         |        .
                                  Long shunt gen       Short shunt gen   .


Or, would a new class or sub-class be more appropriate for numeric analysis?

From the patent diagrams and descriptions it doesn't appear "obvious" how the rotor
windings and the stator windings should be/are configured for the DC embodiment.

(not going to format properly - hopefully you get the class structure - looks good in the draft - sorry.)
Found a chart of the various DC Generator classes on the internet:

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Re: Holcomb and other FE technology debate « Reply #98 on: 2022-04-26, 02:58:57 »
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DC Generatos - Topology Types
Conventional DC generators are divided into the following classifications.
Would the Holcolm "fixed rotor and stator" rotating magnetic field generator fall into
any/all of these types?

Personally, I wouldn't use this approach, I approach most problems logically and methodically in context.

Holcomb claims the extra energy is due to electron spin and magnetic domains, why?.
He must have measured extra magnetic field and/or induced current, why?.
How do generators work, how can we get extra magnetic field or induced current?.

I like AC systems because conceptually it explains the "extra" concept better. I used to design and build AC, DC generators and AC island mode systems to understand them better. We have to build them to really understand them, a hands on approach.

An AC motor tied to the grid is really a motor/generator. An AC motor is synchronized to the 60Hz current thus the magnetic field change of all the other AC generators on the grid. If any motor goes above 60Hz it's magnetic field changes faster thus it's current changes faster and now pumps energy into the grid as a generator. Here we can begin to understand that extra energy can appear if we 1)change the magnetic field faster or 2)produce a larger magnetic field. Both 1 and 2 represent a change in the system and as Faraday claimed it doesn't matter how we do it, only that we do. Which begs the only relevant question, how many different ways are there to produce a field change?.

So conceptually a generator is just an electron pump which Holcomb said in his video, it's just a glorified pump. We don't need to make this complicated and understanding the process in question isn't that difficult.

It's really about curiosity and wanting to understand how stuff works. Throw some stuff together and see what happens, learn something.

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Re: Holcomb and other FE technology debate « Reply #99 on: 2022-04-26, 05:44:37 »
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Actually the "classification" subject came up while having a few drinks with our local "boat electrician,"  as he calls himself (he's really a degreed Marine Electrical Engineer). He's a stickler for proper documentation and definitions before beginning any project - even something as straight forward as plates and windings.

Of course he might of just been messing with me when he asked what "class" of generator it was! But, all the same, each sub-class has a particular winding scheme and I do not know which one fits Holcolm's DC  generator portion, if any even do.

Playing a lot with the concept simulation wise and a preliminary thought is to run the system up into the KHz or MHz region (the SiC Fets and micro have the bandwidth to do that); just charge a capacitor; and use an old scheme I developed for use with Ruslan's device - a 2/4 KW inverter similar to those found in modern petrol inverter-generators - but without the internal combustion engine (have a few inverter pull-outs left from the Ruslan project).

Along the lines of your 1) and 2) - plus, at higher frequencies, the system can be made a whole lot smaller. I also agree about building stuff to get the feel, but initially I prefer to use CAE simulation first (after the napkin-cad) since it saves a lot of time and money up front; also provides the documents certain "boat electricians" seem to require.   ;)

It's a nice concept since you have a solid 60/50 Hz 120/240VAC with very low THD, plus you can easily parallel them. Published the details in the old (banned) Ruslan thread here a while back. Also works for 400Hz systems. All in all, it puts a more versatile back-end on the system as well.

My conclusion regarding the "extra magnetic field and/or induced current;" - by mitigating the system counter-emf (found in converntional designs) you automatically gain an extra 85% to 94% by rotating only the magnetic field in a concise manner. Some will argue but not loosing that inertia (drag) every time you move past the peak flux apogee costs a great deal of energy - call it combined cog torque, magnetic drag, back-emf, air turbulance, bearing friction, whatever! The trick is simply moving the mythical "flux" with minimal interaction (no in-the-loop Farady/Lenz).

Anyway, far too premature to conclude anything...

SL


Let me try this (?): A pulse creates a magnetic spike (it's inductive so it takes a bit of time to peak, 5 tau), then the pulse goes away (it hides from the system), mean while the magnetic spike "fluxes" the secondary or stator pole which, in turn, creates current in the lapped stator winding (this winding is not in the loop so to speak - it goes way over to the other magnetic pole) and doesn't cause an interaction with the original inducing pole since it's spacially segregated. Any reaction is not "felt" by the original magnetic "flux" instigator. Even if the secondary magnetic spike did get back to the primary, the primary is still hiding and wouldn't even notice!

Like a snowball fight - you pelt the guy and immediately hide behind a tree - he immediately retaliates (180 deg out of phase) but you're already hiding, so big deal. He can't hurt you! :-\

Oh, for crying in the sink - good night!
   
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