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Snowball Game   ???

Game board setup: Pol/ROTO-fixed (ROT) on the Left, Pol/STAT-fixed (STA) on the Right, seperated by AirGap.

Game rules:

1.  ROT controls the snowball firing Action sequence. STA can only React to a snowball thrown by ROT.

2. ROT determines the type of snowball used and delivery; EMF (V) used and Velocity (dv/dt) via waveform shape.

Game Play (sequence):

 
3. ROT uses hyper-sonic snowballs - high speed due to lower Pol inductance (L).

4. ROT has a direct line-of-fire (coil is only around the Pol).
 
4. STA can only use a sub-sonic snowball (higher inductance - more windings).

5. STA has an indirect line-of-fire (trajectory must traverse the entire Lap-Winding before reacting).

6. By the time STA reacts to ROT, ROT has disappeared and can no longer be hit (ROT is already dark/off-line/out of sight) and has moved on to Pol2ROT; taking another shot so to speak.

7. The sequence continues, ROTs action (takes shot), ROT then moves to the next slot, STA reacts to the initial action (return shot) but ROT has moved and takes another shot from slot2. The sequence repeats.

8. ROTs low inductance coil (smaller Tau) allows a faster rise time (shorter pulse - more energy) with fewer wire turns.
 
9. Once the shot is taken ROT quickly moves to the next slot for another shot before STA can react.

10. Also, spacially the ROT Pol/coil and the STA Pol/lap winding are seperated and not in a convient space to interact.

Observations:

Initial voltage (EMF or V) rise is almost instantaneous in a coil (winding/inductor); coil turns (windings) determine the winding inductance by way of current (I) rise time (definition of inductance). Current in the winding also determines the magnetic field (flux) set up around the coil. One coil/winding/pol (inducer) , via the current generated magnetic field flux, will cause an EMF/Voltage to be set up in another closely located coil/winding/pol.

The number of windings (inductance), strength of magnetic field flux, speed of flux movement, spacing/orientation, core materials, source V/I timing and flux paths determine the overall interaction and results.

Difficult to understand, visualize and near impossible to analyze all the variables and instantaneous interactions numerically, IMHO.

This is just a first-pass attempt at literating the system operation as I see it, so take it for what it's worth; and/or take a stab at describing this sequence in detail yourself!



   
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Barbosa and LEal patent explanation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYQEqzJmSsY
   
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There are a lot of variables and things can get really complicated really fast.

I like to use alternate sensors and arrays to get a better feel where things are going. For example, using a hall effect magnetic field sensor along with the standard voltage/current measurements. In fact there are instances when the actual magnetic field (hall effect sensor) does not agree with the induced voltage/current. However we would never know this unless we actually looked for it.

I also used hall effect arrays to track the path of an electric current across a 12" x 12", one inch thick aluminum plate with no measurable external magnetic field present. In fact the current never takes the shortest path between two points as presumed. The current path always forms an arc which can be tracked by measuring the currents magnetic field.

This seems to verify the notion that there are no straight lines in nature because nature does not use wires to constrain currents like we always do. However most assumed a straight line path without ever checking there premise. So it's important to look for all these details most generally miss.

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CST HES (Holcomb) Linear Generator [not so obvious] setup Quick Notes:

F6FLT and other CST types might find this useful...

Received a question regarding a quick CAE setup to review this device. Of concern was creating the coils and stimulating the individual coils in sequence. Typically the physical coils would have to link to the circuit part of the simulator containing a sequence generator. Fortunately CST provides a method where this can all be done without interlinking to a seperate circuit.

See the attached pdf for a detailed but simple and quick setup to simulate Holcombs Linear Generator found in the 2018 patent.

Way too much fun - hope this helps a bit and provides some insight! Maybe a bit more on this, time permitting.

AC, couldn't agree more - thats why I've shifted to the CAE route...



   
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To finish the initial Quick Setup Notes, these added animated gif's finish the timing sequence setup eval.

Bfield, Efield and Hfield animations of the four windings are attached. Field arrows are shown however a
GIF Viewer might be needed to slow the animation to see them more clearly.

Note, the pulse sequence used nanosecond timing so any cartoons are of no value, other than educational,
and the coil windings are floating in air.

This timing approach was to test the sequence ability of the software only.

If time permits, more of the in-depth patent evaluation using CAE might be presented; including
the setup to validate the electrical steel enhancement; followed by a complete rotating magnetic
field analysis.

By taking the time and effort required to validate this technique could prove very worthwhile in
the end to, hopefully, more than just a few FE/CE expert tinkerers!


   
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Retry post gifs

   
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Simulation MagGain animated GIF

TIMING
All three coils/windings receive simultaneous 2mS ON, 2 mS OFF pulses for 3 cycles.

H-field GIF Cartoon:

LEFT=ST37 Soft Magnetic B-H curve  Ep 1  Mu 1000

CENTER=Polycarbonate (loss free palstic) Ep 2.9  Mu 1.0

RIGHT=1008 Steel Soft Magnetic B-H curve  Ep 1  Mu 1000

"Appears 1008 Steel doesn't want to play well!" (right hand structure)

Looks like the ad-hock pole structure could also use some work, but hopefully
the idea of ferromagnetic gain is demonstrated.

Some notes in attached pdf...

   
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More Holcomb MagGain varifications

It is shown that the Magnetic Gain of a ferromagnetic material (metal)
increases Magnetic Energy Density. However not all "soft magnetic" metals
are the same
- see gifs and pdf.

Three more animated gifs; Magnetic_Energy_Density in X (just above structure),
Y (center) and combined XY planes.

Good GIF Viewer: https://sourceforge.net/projects/gifviewer/

Again, note the 1008 Steel's (soft magnetic) [RH structure] behaviour!

Each structure is driven by the exact same signal - 2mS ON, 2ms OFF, same amplitudes.

Same layout structure as before:

LEFT = ST37 soft metal     CENTER = Polycarbonate (plastic)     RIGHT = 1008-Steel metal

   
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There is ample evidence in Brazil and elsewhere where electrical power end users increase efficiency and this has little or nothing to do with "no Brazilian has free energy."
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"Increasing efficiency" has nothing to do with "consuming more energy than supplied and paid for".

However, it is the second case that Barbosa and Leal claim. So the extra-energy compared to the one supplied and paid is indeed "free energy", otherwise their device would be of no interest.

The extra-energy could perfectly be used to feed an inverter that would allow to loop the system. If this has not been done, it is simply because the only extra-energy produced by the Barbosa and Leal system, if real, is taken from the electrical network by deceiving the meter.

There are several methods to fool old meters. If you reduce the cos(φ) seen at the meter, then for the same current, the meter will measure less power delivered.
And by connecting an inductor/transformer system to ground which is a large capacitor, further away from the meter, you can restore the correct cos(φ) at that level, close to 1. Since the phase shift between phase and neutral as seen by the meter is different from that between phase and ground at the usage level, you get back more power than you pay for.

I confirm that no Brazilian takes advantage of this hypotetical free extra-energy.


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To finish the initial Quick Setup Notes, these added animated gif's finish the timing sequence setup eval.

Bfield, Efield and Hfield animations of the four windings are attached. Field arrows are shown however a
GIF Viewer might be needed to slow the animation to see them more clearly.

Note, the pulse sequence used nanosecond timing so any cartoons are of no value, other than educational,
and the coil windings are floating in air.

This timing approach was to test the sequence ability of the software only.

If time permits, more of the in-depth patent evaluation using CAE might be presented; including
the setup to validate the electrical steel enhancement; followed by a complete rotating magnetic
field analysis.

By taking the time and effort required to validate this technique could prove very worthwhile in
the end to, hopefully, more than just a few FE/CE expert tinkerers!

I agree. It's very interesting.
Are these CST simulations that you have done yourself?


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B-field Y-plane and Z-pole plane animated gifs

Without these - doing any actual calculations (if anyone is even interested)
is difficult.

Problem is the gif files are quite large (almost 12MB) so posting them here
is - well, we'll see?

Had this problem in the past so I'm not optomistic  :-\ .
One at a time might work...

Tried posting just one - appears the File is too large - compression, etc. didn't reduce it by much.

Sorry folks, but trying post something that won't fit, is what it is...

Without the "proof cartoons" the discussion/presentation is nothing but more hand waving,
long winded jiibberish and jumping around!


Maybe there's another venue where continuing to present these Holcomb varification proofs will work.

Anyway, good luck - so far the analysis of Holcomb's invention shows it does work!

   
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Yes there is another open source venue
Which may be able to host ( I can ask)
However
Would you be ok with moderating it ?

Just to keep it neat and on track ?
I believe “experts” may more easily become involved
In a well managed venue ( where respect of presenters efforts ( all presenters)
Is guaranteed…


Although  … we may also be able to build it here …perhaps if more talent could assist here with this ?
Peter is up against very busy work life and trying to keep this working ( as well Darren has limited time )

Just trying to help not hinder this process ,

I will ask the other admin about this file storage issue next day or so! (Gyula might know about this file storage there?)

Respectfully
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Broke the files up into 7zip 5860kB sections but the xxxx.7z.001... got turfed by the attachments monitor.

Chet K - thanks for the info. Not interested in Moderating; too time consuming trying to stay on top of
things post by post. There are weeks where I'm off-site with no access.

Looked into other methods of presenting information, but at the time, the device being promoted turned out
to be unstable [Ruslan] (due, AFAIK, to the earths electric field and it's radical behavour - still no real work around)
so other presentation alternatives were shelved.

Will think of something - Website is prefered (protected/secured).

This scheme isn't going away any time soon IMHO.

Thanks

   
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Here are 4 frame captures which contain the Legends
(might be some help in calculations)

B-field_Zpole_1mS_Frame-11.gif (at 1mS - mid pulse)
B-field_Zpole_2m4S_Frame-25.gif (at 2.4mS - pulse off for 0.4mS)
B-field_Yplane_1mS_Frame-11 (at 1mS - mid pulse)
B-field_Yplane_2m4S_Frame-25 (at 2.4mS - pulse off for 0.4mS)

For now, that's as good as it gets!

Same layout structure as before:

LEFT
= ST37 soft metal    CENTER = Polycarbonate (plastic)     RIGHT = 1008-Steel metal

   
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I agree. It's very interesting.
Are these CST simulations that you have done yourself?

@Solarlab
No reply?

If you did not make these simulations, can you provide us with the source?

Thank you


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The analysis is being done using Ansys, Comsol, JMag and CST. As mentioned, and shown, CST is easiest since "Excitations" can be added at the "LT-Transient" phase without resorting to a "Circuit" layout to sequence the pole coil/windings.

You already have CST as mentioned here: https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3691.msg98415#msg98415  so you can simulate and analyze this device yourself. There's no need for a source. Recent posts detailed how to set up the coils and excite them in sequence, the rest is straight forward.

Your last three posts appear to follow the lines of a "classic troll" - argumentative post, praise post, then an open ended pseudo question that can be argued to no end - e.g. "no you didn't, prove it, that's not correct, etc... been there, done that! (I'm not wrong; seen it too many times)

FWIW - Yea, this is all my individual workproduct; study, analysis, development and CAE.

My part (posting) here is finished; not because the data isn't available, but because it is far too difficult if not impossible to post due to forum limitations (the files get much larger from here on out).

So far, it has been demonstrated that the moving magnetic field can be created and moved using pulsing individual pole coils/windings and some ferromagnetic metals do increase the Magnetic Energy Density significantly when chosen carefully.

Next up is the transfer of Magnetic energy Density to the Stator poles, then onto the Stator lap winding, with minimal interaction or loss. So, in summary:

- Sequential movement of source magnetic field - proven,

- Increased magnetic energy using selected material - proven,

- Rotor to Stator pole field transfer - done, but not yet presented,

- Efficient energy creation in the Stator lap coil/winding - in process, pending.


So, have a nice day!


   
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My part (posting) here is finished; not because the data isn't available, but because it is far too difficult if not impossible to post due to forum limitations (the files get much larger from here on out).
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Sir
 I have a meeting scheduled for tomorrow with admin from another open source venue
I am planning on asking about ability to host your files there!

I completely understand your position on moderator issues ( time commitment)
I am uncertain that venue  will be much better than here ? ( data hosting capacity )
However,
Nothing ventured nothing gained!

IMO
Your efforts here need the ability to properly host and share your work and also _possibly _ engage
Others of like talent and skill set … to further your research! ( fairly amazing from my perspective)

Hopefully you will consider this ( The idea being no additional time commitment for you) ?

With gratitude and respect
Chet K
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Also going to try to find out how this hosting ability can be managed here ( costs -time - etc )

   
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@Solarlab

Thanks for your answer. I was asking for the source of these simulations because I wanted to ask the author for some tips on simulations in the quasistatic field, having expertise only in antenna modeling.

CST is an excellent modeler and a very good simulator (except for the computation time), but the documentation and tutorials are insufficient and I don't see myself paying for training sessions with them as if I were a professional.

So as you are the author, can you kindly inform me?

  • First about the template used in such projects, is it "Statics/Low frequency" then "Magnet design"?
  • Then about the simulation : which solver to use ? "LF time domain" or "LF frequency domain"...?
  • Last but not least, I am simulating a capacitor, part of a system with coils, and I do not see how to assign a variable voltage source to its plates. In the "Simulation" tab, CST proposes "voltage path sources from curves" but it only concerns a closed circuit it seems? To assign a current to a circuit, no problem. But how to assign a variable voltage signal between the two plates of a capacitor?

Thanks for your time.




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Chet K - thanks for the effort so far, hope it works out. Standing by!

F6FLT - this is off topic but see below:

Review the attached pdf titled "HES LinGen CST setup Quick Notes.pdf" in this post; this should address your first two quaries. The last question, unfortunately, off-hand I have no idea - generally CST is pretty good with "parameters" w.r.t. variables, but you need to "sweep" the circuit so to speak.

https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98849#msg98849

As far as computation time - back-off the mesh resolution and timing; sacrafice accuracy for cpu time; or get a workstation, or, a bunch of used desk tops and chain them together. But, if your Corporate is charatable - that's also an option.

As far as training/documentation - check youtube for videos (boring but free).

Also have a look at

https://space.mit.edu/RADIO/CST_online/cst_studio_suite_help.htm

for an online, searchable, help index - Global search, then drill down to the query, e.g. "variable voltage".

Note that CST has some short comings with respect to Holcolm analysis as the "plot thickens". It appears to not be able to do Maxwell (Faraday) or Lorentz - you can't simulate, for example, a straight forward transformer; in that finding the simple secondary voltage value with primary given, - it can't do that... you have to calculate based from Hfield, bfield, magnetic, etc. Nice cartoons but it seems to run out of analysis power way too soon.

Therefore, Ansys AEDT will likely be used for the remainder of the Holcomb analysis - more complex to use but so far it seems to provide the answers in a usable form [also, it has a similar timing capability {thanks to FE for the quick response}, a little harder to use than CST but not that bad - you can remain in the simulation without having to go into Circuit or Twinbuilder].

Good luck!

Forgot to add - your last query - note that CST (and others) needs a complete circuit for current (makes sense) - to do this - you can bring your "wires" out flush with the bounding box (boundary) - the box "closes" or completes the circuit. (one way to this - bring the wires past the bounding box outward, then use another box flush with the boundry, then boolean (subtract) the boxes, leaving only the boundary - sometimes this is easier to do ??? ).



   
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He asked “how large a space ( file storage  )do you need”?

Seems willing to make it work ( perhaps dedicated spot ?
and also I asked if he could moderate and help manage…?
Seems no issues .
I did tell him I feel open source community can assist in associated costs ( if big expenses become obvious)

I have another appointment scheduled for tomorrow
Please let me know data needs.

And for clarity
I assume nothing at this point !
This is just a discussion, all must be dependent on you
Being ok with this?

I personally feel this is extremely useful tool in the proper hands ( as you have shown)

With gratitude
Chet K
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To add other mentioned venue has 5mb at the moment.
« Last Edit: 2022-05-09, 20:49:59 by Chet K »
   
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why don´t you convert your Simulation output pics to MP4 Video files and post them on Youtube ?

For longer and looped display you could put several sequences in a loop and just add them to the MP4 Video file.

Then you can store all your magnet simulation files as animation on Youtube.
No need to go the GIF animation method which always needs bigger File size...and is hard to store
in a forum...

There are freeware software packages out there that lets you convert from GIF or JPEG pictures to MPEG4 Video files
which Youtube accepts.

Hope this helps. Regards, Stefan.
   
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Thanks for comment

Idea is to make a venue to discuss and share
With minimal extra effort for solarlab ( to have to manage every day),

He already has time allotment issues ( minimal spare time)

We can discuss this more …as there are many who could
benefit from this work ( and perhaps others familiar could join in ? )

For a better understanding of what may be happening
In HES device!

Regardless it is good for open source community to work through possible solutions …and help administrators
And skilled persons …


Thanks for advice
Respectfully
Chet K



   
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Chet K,

Demo videos so far are running about 56.7MB but there are a few repeats and some explaination blurb in Wordpad files (these require a lot of space that's why I, in general, pdf them). That might likely grow to double that however.

Had a brief chat this afternoon with our local "boat electrician" - he has a pretty well equipped shop for motor/generator repair (some are cruise ship size).

It turns out his wife is a seasoned Web Developer so she's going to look into helping out as well. The marina, and their subsequent web site, is a commercial venture but we'll see. Pitched the idea that it might prove to be a good target product beta test location as well (in collaboration with Holcomb) - plus lots of rich guys hanging around is always a good audience!

Hardihope - thanks for the humor, always appreciated!

Anyways, duty calls later this week, so I'll be on & off site for a while.

We'll get there one way or another!

Take care



   

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Chet K - thanks for the effort so far, hope it works out. Standing by!

F6FLT - this is off topic but see below:

Review the attached pdf titled "HES LinGen CST setup Quick Notes.pdf" in this post; this should address your first two quaries. The last question, unfortunately, off-hand I have no idea - generally CST is pretty good with "parameters" w.r.t. variables, but you need to "sweep" the circuit so to speak.

https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=4261.msg98849#msg98849

As far as computation time - back-off the mesh resolution and timing; sacrafice accuracy for cpu time; or get a workstation, or, a bunch of used desk tops and chain them together. But, if your Corporate is charatable - that's also an option.

As far as training/documentation - check youtube for videos (boring but free).

Also have a look at

https://space.mit.edu/RADIO/CST_online/cst_studio_suite_help.htm

for an online, searchable, help index - Global search, then drill down to the query, e.g. "variable voltage".

Note that CST has some short comings with respect to Holcolm analysis as the "plot thickens". It appears to not be able to do Maxwell (Faraday) or Lorentz - you can't simulate, for example, a straight forward transformer; in that finding the simple secondary voltage value with primary given, - it can't do that... you have to calculate based from Hfield, bfield, magnetic, etc. Nice cartoons but it seems to run out of analysis power way too soon.

Therefore, Ansys AEDT will likely be used for the remainder of the Holcomb analysis - more complex to use but so far it seems to provide the answers in a usable form [also, it has a similar timing capability {thanks to FE for the quick response}, a little harder to use than CST but not that bad - you can remain in the simulation without having to go into Circuit or Twinbuilder].

Good luck!

Forgot to add - your last query - note that CST (and others) needs a complete circuit for current (makes sense) - to do this - you can bring your "wires" out flush with the bounding box (boundary) - the box "closes" or completes the circuit. (one way to this - bring the wires past the bounding box outward, then use another box flush with the boundry, then boolean (subtract) the boxes, leaving only the boundary - sometimes this is easier to do ??? ).
Hi Solarlab, have you used Google drive before? It's free and would have plenty of storage. Then you can link to there. Tresorit is more secure but costs money. https://tresorit.com/business?dnc=&utm_term=tresorit&gclid=CjwKCAjw9-KTBhBcEiwAr19ig3DjVCNKFdli6FB5ruoe03GeIbDarL9RR7oOwTdqGLTk25mr3ZQ-bhoCZ1UQAvD_BwE
   
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F6FLT - this is off topic but see below:
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Good luck!
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Thanks.
I'll take a closer look at everything you provided.




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