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Jose Antonio

Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #525 on: 2024-07-18, 00:14:00 »

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Quote from: forest on 2024-07-17, 21:14:20

what is the source of energy in Linde apparatus ?

There is no source of energy. The Linde Condenser extracts heat energy from a vapor bringing it to its dew point. The end result is that the refrigerant (air) is condensed to a liquid and its temperature is dropped. Temperature and pressure are relative to each other except when there is a change of state (ie..conversion to steam and back) Linde is about energy transfer through extraction, and not generating energy.

-JA

Jose Antonio

Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #526 on: 2024-07-18, 00:49:29 »

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Quote from: maxmalone on 2024-07-15, 20:35:56

I see it's upside down

Quote from: sergh on 2024-07-16, 06:53:14

This is the normal position if you want to transfer liquefied gas from a cylinder as a liquid.

https://youtu.be/BstbH5S78Cs?t=59

Correct, it does appear to be a refrigerant cylinder but most-likely an old R-407c. Regardless, I would suspect that the tank is modified because back in 1994-1995? manufacturers started adding check valves to the stems preventing them from being re-filled. The arrows on the cylinder are required because traditionally the HVAC/Refrigeration industry was dominated by three refrigerants, R-12 (Medium Temp Refrigeration & Cars), R-22 (High-Temp Refrigeration [central air]), R-502 (Low temp refrigeration). These system (mostly) charged through the vapor process because a compressor can't compress a liquid. Also, those older cylinders didn't have a Dip-Tube.

The newer refrigerants that had been developed because of the Montreal Protocol that required a reduction in Green house producing refrigerants (ie... CFC) where comprised of different types of refrigerants that had slightly different boiling points (referred to as Flash Point in the industry). So, in order to not change the delicate composition of the mixed refrigerant it was important to liquid charge a system because vapor charging creates Fractionation of the refrigerant rendering it useless in a system.

So to bore you some more. Because there are many manufacturers that develop refrigerants Arrows needed to be printed on cylinders because some manufacturers decided to install Dip-Tubes on their tanks while others did not. To charge a system that is a refrigerant blend you need to position the cylinder upside down to get liquid ONLY if your tank doesn't have a Dip-Tube. We can see now that the arrows identify how to properly withdraw the refrigerant.

I don't think Tariel used refrigerant and I would guess that the tank is used as a oil storage tank for the system under low pressure.

-JA

pledrca	Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #527 on: 2024-07-18, 07:37:22 »
Newbie Posts: 1	I think Linde Condenser is used as an analogy of a part of Kapanadze device - not the whole energy extraction device. And the same I think is true for Figuera device - the patents only describe the generator part but no collector (read article) of electricity. Not he whole device to produce what we look for. Regards.

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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #528 on: 2024-07-18, 07:41:59 »

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Quote from: Jose Antonio on 2024-07-18, 00:49:29

The newer refrigerants that had been developed because of the Montreal Protocol that required a reduction in Green house producing refrigerants (ie... CFC) where comprised of different types of refrigerants that had slightly different boiling points (referred to as Flash Point in the industry).
-JA

I heard,that decay ozone by freon is fake. I've just thought,freon is heavier than air,how it could rise so high?

sergh	Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #529 on: 2024-07-18, 08:04:49 »
Full Member Posts: 119	Quote from: forest on 2024-07-17, 21:14:20 what is the source of energy in Linde apparatus ? Power from AC, motors and pumps for compression and cooling. Air conditioners also consume a lot of electricity, although they only transfer energy.

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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #530 on: 2024-07-18, 08:38:38 »

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Quote from: pledrca on 2024-07-18, 07:37:22

I think Linde Condenser is used as an analogy of a part of Kapanadze device - not the whole energy extraction device.
And the same I think is true for Figuera device - the patents only describe the generator part but no collector (read article) of electricity. Not he whole device to produce what we look for.
Regards.

Yes, exactly this. I didn't mean that the Kapanadze device literally used the Linde process, I meant that the Linde process is an analogy for another electrical process that operates on the same principles. What I see in the Linde process is that some of the output (cold air) is fed back to the input to produce even colder air, i.e. positive feedback or hysteresis.

This is a rather simplistic illustration, and obviously skirts over a few important details, but nevertheless if you had an electrical generator which is powered by a 12V DC supply with a current demand of 1A and output 12V 1A and via an isolation transformer fed this back into the input in parallel so that you end up with 12V 2A feeding the generator then what would happen?

maxmalone

Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #531 on: 2024-07-18, 09:22:31 »

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Quote from: lfarrand on 2024-07-18, 08:38:38

Yes, exactly this. I didn't mean that the Kapanadze device literally used the Linde process, I meant that the Linde process is an analogy for another electrical process that operates on the same principles. What I see in the Linde process is that some of the output (cold air) is fed back to the input to produce even colder air, i.e. positive feedback or hysteresis.

This is a rather simplistic illustration, and obviously skirts over a few important details, but nevertheless if you had an electrical generator which is powered by a 12V DC supply with a current demand of 1A and output 12V 1A and via an isolation transformer fed this back into the input in parallel so that you end up with 12V 2A feeding the generator then what would happen?

In air conditioning, the temperature difference is our FE. Where in the coils does this happen? Everyone knows that when air conditioning is running, hot air must be removed from the room.
There must be an analogy to electricity. It is true that it is said that a Tesla coil has a hot end and a cold end, but it is probably too naive to compare it like that.
There is only one case I know of when energy from one source gives power to another source and it is called resonance. This device is a tuning fork. I tried to make an analogy with 2x tesla coils but it doesn't work the same. Kameron has two arms the same, so the Tesla coils should also be identical, right. Unfortunately, the second coil does not work as I expected. Why ? I don't know.
Of course both were connected gnd.

lfarrand

Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #532 on: 2024-07-18, 11:27:49 »

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I think the electrical effect would be similar to how audio feedback works.

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Audio feedback is a positive feedback situation that may occur when an acoustic path exists between an audio output and its audio input.

Maybe this is how the SM TPU worked also? He was an audio engineer.

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You can begin to collect the current and dissipate it with no need for amplification because the signal source also becomes the feed for the power source and has the natural tendency to run with gain. It is important that you note that you can never tune too closely to the exact frequencies of power conversion because the power received by the collector will instantly destroy it. We instead must deliberately tune off the frequencies of conversion in order to make the thing properly work. Remember that it is like a furnace which feeds itself. The hotter it gets the more fuel it gives itself to burn.

I'm just connecting the dots...

sergh	Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #533 on: 2024-07-18, 11:45:11 »
Full Member Posts: 119	Quote from: maxmalone on 2024-07-18, 09:22:31 In air conditioning, the temperature difference is our FE. Unfortunately, the Carnot cycle does not allow the air conditioner to produce more energy in electrical form than it expended.

chief kolbacict	Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #534 on: 2024-07-18, 15:39:38 »
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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #535 on: 2024-07-18, 21:54:13 »

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Quote from: sergh on 2024-07-18, 11:45:11

Unfortunately, the Carnot cycle does not allow the air conditioner to produce more energy in electrical form than it expended.

Here it's important to remember that by today's standards Carnot was equivalent to a lower grade school student. He developed his primitive theories in the mid 18th century ignorant to the last 200 years of progress. There are literally ten year olds today that make Carnot look like a complete imbecile.

For example, suppose Carnot saw a black box which magically generated magnitudes more heat than we put in. Even a bright grade school student today might say that's easy and there is a nuclear reactor in the box and it gets it's energy from converting the kinetic energy of the atoms inside the box. Carnot was completely clueless as to what an atom was and equally ignorant in his understanding of what heat is so of course this would appear as magic to him.

So I think it's comical that anyone even references Carnot today given what we have learned since his time. Why not reference Grog a caveman 50,000 years ago. Grog said when he beats a small woodland creature too long his club gets warm. He said his club gets warmer in proportion to how long he beats the creature. I mean how many people completely lacking in any modern understanding would you like to use as a reference?.

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Jose Antonio

Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #536 on: 2024-07-19, 01:42:17 »

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Quote from: maxmalone on 2024-07-18, 09:22:31

In air conditioning, the temperature difference is our FE. Where in the coils does this happen? Everyone knows that when air conditioning is running, hot air must be removed from the room.
There must be an analogy to electricity. It is true that it is said that a Tesla coil has a hot end and a cold end, but it is probably too naive to compare it like that.

That is 100% incorrect. There are two forms of energy that an air-conditioning system transfers and that is Sensible (measurable with a thermometer) and Latent (not measurable with a thermometer). Every object has a Specific Heat and that is the amount of BTU's needed to raise one pound of a substance 1 degree F. So we can calculate how much HEAT energy I need to extract to reach a specific point or how much HEAT energy I need to add to a process.

A refrigerant is something that can change state from (liquid/vapor) or (vapor/liquid) for everyday laymen there is no difference between vapor and a gas but for engineers there is very much a difference. It is during the Change of State that a tremendous amount of heat is transferred compared to when it is at a stable state.

Hot air is not removed from a room as you stated. Important to understand, especially if you are into OU devices that ENERGY IS EXTRACTED, TRANSPORTED, and REJECTED through the refrigeration process. Simplified by saying we are moving Energy from Point A to Point B. The evaporator (coil) absorbs heat energy (sensible and latent) and the Condenser (Coil) rejects sensible and latent energy through the process of condensing/evaporating. This is not an HVAC Engineering forum so I will stop there but I wanted to point out that what gets good research/posts off track is the injection of internet physics into the conversation. I am certainly not picking on you, and your NEXT STATMENT nails it.

Quote from: maxmalone on 2024-07-18, 09:22:31

There is only one case I know of when energy from one source gives power to another source and it is called resonance.

Yes you are 100% correct and I support this statement and this is the path we need to search. I will be starting a Nilson Barbosa thread to not pollute this one anymore. Hope to see you there.

-JA

maxmalone	Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #537 on: 2024-07-19, 08:32:15 »
Full Member Posts: 199	Actually, we are not talking about air conditioning, but about the fact that Kapanadze referred to LINDE. How does this compare to electricity? You can try. What does resonance mean in such a case? where in LINDE is resonance. Is Kapanadze deceiving us all the time? « Last Edit: 2024-07-19, 09:36:08 by maxmalone »

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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #538 on: 2024-07-19, 09:27:42 »

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Quote from: maxmalone on 2024-07-19, 08:32:15

Actually, we are not talking about air conditioning, but about the fact that Kapanadze referred to LINDE. How does this compare to electricity? You can try. What does resonance mean in such a case? where in LIND is resonance. Is Kapanadze deceiving us all the time?

When compressed in a cylinder, the gas heats up, and when it expands, it cools.
Presumably he meant this:

https://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3780.0

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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #539 on: 2024-07-19, 14:32:30 »

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Quote from: maxmalone on 2024-07-19, 08:32:15

Actually, we are not talking about air conditioning, but about the fact that Kapanadze referred to LINDE. How does this compare to electricity? You can try. What does resonance mean in such a case? where in LINDE is resonance. Is Kapanadze deceiving us all the time?

Kapanadze referred to Linde because Tesla also referred to Linde in his lectures. Kapanadze was replicating Tesla's work.
https://teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla/articles/problem-increasing-human-energy

They were interested in a process Linde invented called "regenerative cooling" where the incoming gas was cooled by the gas which had already undergone cooling. What they were referring to was not resonance but regeneration which applies to electrical circuits.

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lfarrand

Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #540 on: 2024-07-19, 14:55:06 »

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Yes! Regeneration or positive feedback is the point I've been trying to hammer home.

I remember there was a thread on overunity.com called 'Energy Amplification' and a poster called Tito gave out some cryptic clues.

I believe he's referring to positive feedback in the following quote where he's talking about recursion and falling ice stone.

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Don't you have an idea how to translate into circuit, the rolling stone ice?
This is actually the main resipee of any free energy.

In C language programming there is what you call a recursion technique wherein you call and execute a procedure or a function of itself. but in time it is running something is being done ok.

ooops don't forget the recursion and cron to make a perfect timing in loop.

NOTE: This technique can lead into a masssssss destruction so be careful. a loop should be in control or else LIGHTNING WILL APPEAR INSTANTLY! AND MAKES YOU CRISPY AND DELICIOUS!!!

This technique is the rolling ice stone or falling domino and this is the ultimate amplifier of tesla that was not directly recorded but we can see the first steps in many of his patents.

i'm sorry its a snow ball i forgot the word, no matter if its a snow ball or ice stone as long as it is rolling and rolling and become bigger and bigger and many times it become avalance. the point is bigger and bigger but with full control with your hand.

maxmalone

Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #541 on: 2024-07-19, 15:45:08 »

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There is ample evidence that Kapanadze uses feedback. We see this in the patent. However, can self-power be called feedback? is that it? In the video from 2004 (orange_coil) we see an additional transformer under the table. The same is shown in green coil. Could this be feedback? is feedback something different in this case?
The answer is NO. Because the transformer self-power circuit is only connected when Tariel wants to show that the battery can be charged from the same device.
This means that the feedbak is an element of the device. It's probably about the coils.
Tesla in Colorado Springs showed many feedback systems. Of course, others did it too, like the Hartley Oscillator, the Colpitts Oscillator.
This is all fascinating, but where is our increase in energy? When ? Oscillations in any feedback don't increase energy, right. So how to explain it?

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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #542 on: 2024-07-20, 17:02:42 »

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Quote from: lfarrand on 2024-07-19, 14:55:06

Yes! Regeneration or positive feedback is the point I've been trying to hammer home.
I remember there was a thread on overunity.com called 'Energy Amplification' and a poster called Tito gave out some cryptic clues.
I believe he's referring to positive feedback in the following quote where he's talking about recursion and falling ice stone.

Yes feedback and much more. It can be cryptic but it's not difficult to analyze.

I like this line

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In C language programming there is what you call a recursion technique wherein you call and execute a procedure or a function of itself. but in time it is running something is being done ok.
ooops don't forget the recursion and cron to make a perfect timing in loop.

Here Tito may be referring to Recursion and the work of Gabriel Kron a brilliant Electrical Engineer. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabriel_Kron

Recursion is a concept that involves solving a problem by breaking it down into smaller versions of the same problem. Often called the Divide and Conquer concept. The reason most people don't understand how this applies is because it requires very high level thinking. Here are some good examples of recursion, https://mathmonks.com/fibonacci-sequence#The_Sum_of_the_Fibonacci_Sequence

Think of it this way, a simple circuit cannot produce an energy gain for obvious reasons. However we could use recursion, if we broke the problem (circuit) down into smaller versions of the same problem (millions of L,R,C elements) we can see the total energy is larger than before. This is infinite element analysis which is on a completely different level than the standard electrical theory most use.

On the connection to Gabriel Kron, look at the pictures of his work below. When we think of recursion in nature we think of repeating patterns in three dimensions like tree branches or fractals. This is the connection between Recursion and Kron. This may be why most FE inventors claimed we should follow nature which always acts in three dimensions unlike a flat circuit diagram.

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rensseak	Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #543 on: 2024-07-27, 11:35:17 »
Newbie Posts: 33	What do you think about this guy? https://www.youtube.com/@MTECHINDUSTRIES2022

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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #544 on: 2024-07-27, 16:34:27 »

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Quote from: rensseak on 2024-07-27, 11:35:17

What do you think about this guy?
https://www.youtube.com/@MTECHINDUSTRIES2022

A few things pop out.
1)They never show the Power in (VxA) versus Power out (VxA).
2)They are charging $400 for a joule ringer circuit kit, lol.

Think about it, how hard would it be to drop a $11 LED Digital Voltmeter Ammeter on the input and output?. Or splurge and use a $24 power meter on the input and output shown below. I mean if they are charging $400 for a joule thief then a couple cheap $25 power meters should be easy.

There is also the problem of the person claiming almost no input power while the amp meter in the video is showing one to three amps input at 12 volts, lol. They are literally bragging about the circuit running a 10w lamp as the amp meter in the background shows it's pulling 20w from the battery. The guy is completely incompetent in my opinion.

In my opinion, having evaluated and tested countless FE devices, I can safely say this is a scam.

This is a good lesson for people experimenting and basic power measurement on the input and output is everything. It's super easy and all we have to do is use a metered DC input (Volts x Amps) and convert the output to a constant DC so it can also be metered (Volts x Amps). I use input/output cap banks and an Arduino to measure and compare the input and output power. So on my OLED display I see input and output Volts, Amps, Power and the COP. It literally displays the COP of the circuit in real time so I know how I'm doing.

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rensseak	Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #545 on: 2024-08-02, 20:52:01 »
Newbie Posts: 33	https://youtu.be/f9ICIhWIgDY?si=IRZnepYakydammP9 There are subtitle. Choose automatic translation and select your language.

Aking.21	Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #546 on: 2024-08-11, 03:36:37 »
Hero Member Posts: 555	https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_iVOwrWcceE6mEEeY7UoBGFYyBYL0RqP/view https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOK5ME23g7I --------------------------- Electrostatic induction: Put a 1KV charge on 1 plate of a capacitor. What does the environment do to the 2nd plate?

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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #547 on: 2024-08-11, 09:06:41 »

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Aking.21 Thanks for the video. Unfortunately, it doesn't give anything new.

Gia behaves as if he doesn't know much. Discharging a 1500V spark into the primary coil gives this additional energy and it just needs to be converted and for that you need a bifilar secondary coil. There is also talk of a resonator that does something like lowering the frequency and reducing the coil power to 100-150V and that's it.

I agree, as I've said many times, that the key to understanding the Kapa device is the 24A current on the ground wire.

What is so wonderful about this that no one has repeated this simple circuit to this day!?

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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #548 on: 2024-08-19, 21:31:35 »

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In a conversation via Skype, Kapanadze did not hide one of the principles of obtaining energy - “pull from support”. I remember how I did experiments with such a thrust, unfortunately I can’t give a link to the video, YouTube is blocked, but I can attach a photo. The light is on in the ground wire!
It would seem so what, the light bulb is shining in your hands next to the Tesla transformer..... but that’s the point! Kapanadze said that the installation winds itself, that is, it uses traction in the grounding wire to increase the potential.
But in order for the energy to be wound up, you need to replace the light bulb in the broken wire with an oscillating circuit! Then the energy from the primary source, with the help of a high voltage source, will create a voltage difference, this will cause a pull in the ground wire. And the high voltage frequency will be the master frequency for this circuit; if you tune it to resonance, the amplitude in it will increase! The installation will screw itself up)))

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Re: Kapanadze replication « Reply #549 on: 2024-08-19, 21:33:28 »

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There is also a Russian patent for a similar device, which Kapanadze also examined and said - “Add something and it will work.”
As we see here, the oscillatory circuit is also used as a current source; it is also used to maintain pump pulses.
This most likely does not work in reality, but the point is that an oscillatory circuit is used!

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