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Great improvement, you have been a great help throughout this process. I'll continue forward with this approach.

It worked very well and we'll never hear from him again? :)
That's gratitude for you...
   

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I couldn't find a better place for it, so I'm putting it here (for those who are interested.) For my part, this is just a thought experiment for the next.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2_vGXL6h-k

I have seen some experimenters repeat the thought process of N. Tesla. A transformer driven in short pulses (or pulse packets) as an energy transfer device.
Testing whether there can be excess energy. Or whether it can be connected to the spatial ether.

For my part, the investigation of this was as follows. Is it possible for the two frequencies (primary/secondary) to interact but move separately. Primary pulse train/secondary sine wave.
That is, from the quote :

 "... In order to amplify the electrical movement in the secondary winding as much as possible, it is essential that its inductive connection with the primary winding A should not be too close, as in conventional transformers, but should be loose to allow free oscillation - that is, their mutual inductance should be small ...""

 Thus realizing (and looking for) the way forward.
Thank you.

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hey Ata

interesting that the separation between the primary and secondary you speak of, in only that much spacing to get the effect, AND in a closed core. wouldnt have thought it could be before now. have seen similar with a bar or rod core, not closed as you show.

are the windings the same? 
have you moved the windings closer to each other to compare?

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hey Ata

interesting that the separation between the primary and secondary you speak of, in only that much spacing to get the effect, AND in a closed core. wouldnt have thought it could be before now. have seen similar with a bar or rod core, not closed as you show.

are the windings the same? 
have you moved the windings closer to each other to compare?

mags

Hi Magluvin!

I will try to answer your question as much as possible. Possibly in not entirely professional terms!

As I have inserted some thoughts in the description,so my opinion must be analysed in the sense of it.But I reserve the right to be wrong.

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On the separateness of the magnetic parts of the primary and secondary coils,i.e. the extent to which they affect each other.

The separate recording in the description was aimed at this. The full-fill rectangular infill sign shapes. The current one is driven only in pulse (i.e. only variable and not alternating) and only in short pulse.

What I mean. We know well that N.Tesla paid special attention to very short pulse drive.(rotary mercury switch in pulse pack)
As far as I know, the essence of this is the delay of the electron,or the delay of its effect.
I was curious about the difference between the displacement current and the bias current. What I can understand from it.

My answer to your question.
The coils are 1:1 in the same cross section.
The fill of the coils is not physically adjustable. You can certainly make an adjustable version. But that would be the subject of another experiment.

That's all I was interested in for now.


Thanks.

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its just had me thinking, what would be the difference in what your doing, separating the windings in the core, vs winding a primary on one sode of a toroid and the secondary on the other side with some space between them?

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its just had me thinking, what would be the difference in what your doing, separating the windings in the core, vs winding a primary on one side of a toroid and the secondary on the other side with some space between them?
Like this:

   
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The current one is driven only in pulse (i.e. only variable and not alternating) and only in short pulse.
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What do you call “short pulse”?
If it's ns, the “transformer” model is wrong. The whole device, including the coils and connection wires, must be considered as transmission lines, and radiating.


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What do you call “short pulse”?
If it's ns, the “transformer” model is wrong. The whole device, including the coils and connection wires, must be considered as transmission lines, and radiating.

You're right about that.( roughly 500ns) But I'm still curious about the performance ratios. That remains to be seen.
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its just had me thinking, what would be the difference in what your doing, separating the windings in the core, vs winding a primary on one sode of a toroid and the secondary on the other side with some space between them?

mags

It must be good in the form that verpies drew it. But then you have to put a bridging shunt between the two coils.
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You're right about that.( roughly 500ns) But I'm still curious about the performance ratios. That remains to be seen.
Atti.

500 ns is only 2 MHz, but if it's rectangular, it means that there will be non-negligible components up to at least 14 MHz. The behaviour of the circuit will then depend on the implementation (tighter or looser turns, relative positions of the elements that influence capacitive coupling, induction in the electronics by the elements that radiate, etc.), so it won't be possible to evaluate the principle but only a particular setup full of various uncontrolled effects or artefacts. At these frequencies, RF engineering must be used (coaxial cables, shielding, etc.).




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Apologies, life keeps interrupting me. I hope to get back on track soon. Sorry for ghosting.
   
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What's going on with this ?

Moved to another house and trying to get things setup again is the current status.
   
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Shipping from china is such a pain! Hope everyone is well.

I'm setting up my project in a smaller space but at least now I can resume work on this project.
   

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verpi1.zip (81.61 kB - downloaded 218 times.)
What is the .ms11 file type in that .zip archive ?
   

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What is the .ms11 file type in that .zip archive ?
I was trying to decide your task about encoder.  :)
   

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I was trying to decide your task about encoder.  :)
I surmised as much but what file type is .ms11 ?
   
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Anyone know of a good PCB manufacturer in the US? PCBWay takes way too long to ship (understandably).
   

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Buy me some coffee
I use Easyeda very cheap and free cad software, about 10 days to UK but never had a problem with quality and very cheap :)
   

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I surmised as much but what file type is .ms11 ?
Multisim 11
   
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Somehow I ordered two 300v supplies over the months. Good for me, backups. I might use them for the bifilar pulse setup that Peter did. (Another project)
   
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Spherics stated that this picture was "spot on" for how to accurately place the output coil. But there was a problem. This image has the angles at 30 degrees as per his original post. Later on, he said that 30 degrees was a mistake and that it was the angle "when projected from one of the sides of the tetrahedral". The only angle that actually works (to have equidistant coils), was 19.5 degrees, like a carbon atom.

He also stated "Half way between the bottom and top coils", but the picture doesn't seem to match that description. The edge of the toroid touches exactly half way between the line that makes up the edge of the tetrahedral.

I'm reworking my OpenSCAD formula for the dimensions, right now it's a nightmare to read.
   
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Here is a much simpler way to realize the tetra geometry. Red vertices are the vertices of the tetrahedron. The green lines connect the bottom vertices (coils) to the centroid of the tetrahedron. The top coil points down to the center via the blue line.

For parameter testing, making a big cube frame with some plastic rails might be the easiest way to make a configurable test jig for testing all the coil combinations of this device.

Here is the OpenSCAD code for this basic diagram.

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$fn=10;

// params
cube_size = 10.0;
half_cube_size = cube_size / 2.0;

// cube vertices
cube_vertex1 = [half_cube_size, half_cube_size, cube_size];
cube_vertex2 = [half_cube_size, half_cube_size, 0.0];
cube_vertex3 = [half_cube_size, -half_cube_size, cube_size];
cube_vertex4 = [half_cube_size, -half_cube_size, 0.0];
cube_vertex5 = [-half_cube_size, half_cube_size, cube_size];
cube_vertex6 = [-half_cube_size, half_cube_size, 0.0];
cube_vertex7 = [-half_cube_size, -half_cube_size, cube_size];
cube_vertex8 = [-half_cube_size, -half_cube_size, 0.0];
cube_center = [0.0, 0.0, half_cube_size];
debug_sphere_dia = 1.0;

// place a test point
module testp(pos) {
    translate(pos)
    sphere(d = debug_sphere_dia);
}

// connect two points with a cylinder
module conedge(p1, p2, dia) {
vector = [p2[0] - p1[0],p2[1] - p1[1],p2[2] - p1[2]];
distance = sqrt(pow(vector[0], 2) + pow(vector[1], 2) + pow(vector[2], 2));
translate(vector/2 + p1)
rotate([0, 0, atan2(vector[1], vector[0])])
rotate([0, atan2(sqrt(pow(vector[0], 2)+pow(vector[1], 2)),vector[2]), 0])
cylinder(h = distance, r = dia/2, center = true);
}

// place the cube vertices
color([1, 0, 0])
testp(cube_vertex1);

testp(cube_vertex2);
testp(cube_vertex3);

color([1, 0, 0])
testp(cube_vertex4);

testp(cube_vertex5);

color([1, 0, 0])
testp(cube_vertex6);

color([1, 0, 0])
testp(cube_vertex7);

testp(cube_vertex8);

color([1, 0, 0])
testp(cube_center);

// connect the tetrahedral vertices together
color([0,1,0])
conedge(cube_vertex1, cube_center, 0.25);
color([0,1,0])
conedge(cube_vertex4, cube_center, 0.25);
color([0,1,0])
conedge(cube_vertex6, cube_center, 0.25);
color([0,0,1])
conedge(cube_vertex7, cube_center, 0.25);



   
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Soldering work. Always nerve racking because failed board bring up means another week and a half of delay.
   
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Have you thought about switching to an all SMD design for your PCB? It's so much easier applying solder paste with a stencil, placing components roughly, then using a hot plate to melt the solder. The components are then automagically lined up by capilliary action. If your hot plate is big enough you can then do multiple boards at the same time, which is a big time saver if you're making a few. A hot plate is much cheaper than a reflow oven.

I had a through hole design for one of my boards and they were such a PITA to mount the components and solder them all in, so I switched to SMD and haven't looked back since.

They also have the advantage that each through hole doesn't pierce through multiple layers, but I guess you then have to start using vias which effectively do the same thing. If you can mount and connect on the top layer then it makes routing much easier since you don't need to use vias and don't need to route around the holes that the THT components would have made.
   
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