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Does anyone who was around back when Erfinder was posting in this thread remember the coil configuration pictures he showed to produce the sine to square wave? 



Hi Dave,

I believe I found the Bucking versus series.png picture on my old hard drive but I cannot find  Picture 155.jpg and Picture 156.jpg ones,  probably I did not save them.

The picture I attach is very likely the 3rd one Erfinder uploaded to his deleted post. I hope I am not mistaken.

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Hi Dave,

I believe I found the Bucking versus series.png picture on my old hard drive but I cannot find  Picture 155.jpg and Picture 156.jpg ones,  probably I did not save them.

The picture I attach is very likely the 3rd one Erfinder uploaded to his deleted post. I hope I am not mistaken.

Gyula

Thank you Gyula.  I had found that one somewhere years ago when scavenging the internet for Erfinder insights.  It's too bad that the schematic doesn't add much insight without a picture of the coils' actual position with relation to the rotor.  I appreciate your efforts.

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Hi Dave,

Thinking on his coils position with bucking poles to compress their magnetic flux, there has to be a certain angle for the coils axis where the resulting inductance
of their series connection is very close to their resulting inductance found in normal series connection.
This would be needed to make comparable input power for the two cases in the schematic, for bucking coils may have less or more resulting inductance, depending on their magnetic coupling
(positive or negative mutual inductance influencing the resulting inductance).

Here this is discussed under subtitle Differentially Coupled Series Inductors https://www.electronics-tutorials.ws/inductor/series-inductors.html
The two coils are drawn to have a common axis i.e. the bucking poles face each other, giving much lower resulting inductance for the series coil (coupling dependent of course).
Of course the facing magnetic S poles indicated in the middle do not cancel but their flux are compressed, making the field more dense.

Thoughts are welcome. Erfinder wrote a few times he was not interested in measuring input or output power but we cannot assume he was not aware of the reducing inductance for the bucking coils case...   :D

Hopefully a member here will find the missing pictures to learn about his coil positions.

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I believe I found the Bucking versus series.png picture on my old hard drive but I cannot find  Picture 155.jpg and Picture 156.jpg ones,  probably I did not save them.
Peterae must have them in an old backup.
   
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The two configurations are identical in principle, the only difference being the value of the equivalent inductance L=L1+L2+2M, where M is the mutual inductance.

Depending on whether the series connection is normal or bucking, M is positive or negative. In the latter case, the inductance is much lower, favoring higher frequencies and leading to the possibility of resonance at certain frequencies of the square-wave signal spectrum. Moreover, operation is considerably altered between the two cases, as the parasitic capacitances of the transistor, diodes and windings no longer have the same relative impedance to that of the equivalent inductance. The 2 circuits can therefore behave completely differently, so comparing them is of little relevance.

The force between the 2 coils is attractive in the 1st case and repulsive in the second, but this is only a mutual influence of the charges circulating in the two coils. As far as the magnetic field is concerned, we can't say there's any “compression”: there is a simple superposition of the fields and the forces are only on the charges.


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Wavewatcher,

Please don't misunderstand, I truly appreciate your suggestion, I have looked into it, however, "bench tests" have revealed time and time again that  pulse motors under normal circumstances don't allow you to capitalize on the generator action when you pull the plug.  I have tried them all, from B€dini to Adams and everything in between, and multiple variations of all of them, none allow you to do what I have found.  I don't know if you are in the position to test what I have suggested, if you can please do so.  If you cannot I understand.  It is extremely important that you experience the effect first hand, see the difference for yourself. 

It seems to me that the effect is more like a capacitor discharge.  The the speed and intensity of the charging is likened to that experienced when a capacitor is made to charge another capacitor.  When the system is properly balanced, there is no drag produced during this charging period, regardless of the size of the buffer capacitor.  This has to be experienced to believe.  I am not asking anyone to take my word for anything, nor believe what you see in the videos, I am suggesting, asking, as humbly as I know how for those who are in the position to test, do so.  Experience this for yourself. 

Attached is the basic two coil setup that generates the effect.  There are two six strand coils.  Coil one has all of its strands paralleled, the same is done with coil two.  The coils are then configured in Bucking series (Natural Series).   

Inductance = 13.7mH
Resistance  = 0.8 ohm

You are not limited to the values that I have mentioned here...if you are going to use cored solenoids like I am showing here, I recommend you use coils which have higher inductance than mine.  When you connect the coils in this manner, the scope will show the second wave in the Fourier Series.  That is the indication that you have setup the device correctly.

Orthogonal air cores outperform iron core coils.  I believe this is because the iron doesn't allow the higher frequency oscillations to manifest, choke.  We don't want a choke.   


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Great find Peter,  thanks for your searching efforts.

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Thank you, Peter.  This adds some much needed visual context to the messages of Erfinder's that I have archived.

I find the individual strand butt splicing between the two coils to be particularly interesting.  This seems like it would lend a layer of capacitive energy storage and exchange between the two multi-filar solenoids.
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