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Hertz was a student of Helmholtz.

How did Hertz/Hemholtz' views differ from others in the era, or the 21st century consensus on Electrical Engineering?
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I misplaced that article but in it the 'differing'(bad term)..... It seemed to me in the article that there were additive conflicts interjected. As each person got ahold of the model they changed it thinking there were .......
Forget my dissertation about this. I google it again and it is blatant all over the internet because of published works and papers.https://www.jstor.org/stable/41134117

But I add this: Different modalities of electron effects appear at different pressures depending on what the test is being performed. I also believe that different views arise between people when they can only view the dynamics through their filters.


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GK, would you mind going over this diagram in more detail?
I'm curious on things like:
 - Wire gauge
 - Wire length
 - Measured inductance
 - Coupling factor between various coils (loose, tight, 90deg,uncoupled, etc)
 - Critical minimum voltage or other critical minimum factors

Also curious about disconnecting the stun gun portion and just studying the remaining configuration by itself (attached)

Instead of starting with a complete system, I'd like to break everything apart into base components to help understand them individually.


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The design is predicated on Watts out.

Size the wire and components correctly.
Nothing critical.

Scope the amplitude gain of the feedback and snub at component wattage level.
This engine works at any size.

One can raise the component size or tier up successively larger stages like Adrian did.
The smallest of this engine that I use is in the electric flyswatter.

Its great for testing the units.

This is why SM had many sizes.


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The design is predicated on Watts out.

Size the wire and components correctly.
Nothing critical.

Scope the amplitude gain of the feedback and snub at component wattage level.
This engine works at any size.

One can raise the component size or tier up successively larger stages like Adrian did.
The smallest of this engine that I use is in the electric flyswatter.

Its great for testing the units.

This is why SM had many sizes.

All coils air-core?  I take it the red+black 'transformer' is in-fact standard 10-14awg PVC/silicone power cord wire?

Is accoustic-range frequencies (3-40khz) a critical factor?  If-so any theories why? (acoustic resonance/magnetostriction/etc?)

All-copper or is iron/nickel wire required at some stage?


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100% Cu, air, non-critical at this juncture. The spacing is the tuning. Snubbing the harmonic destruction is the protocol.I did the first acoustical tests in 2007, the middle one was the 3 canon heterodyner, the large one was the controller into the Bose and the small one was the TDA2003 test.If things bounce then there is capturable energy. Everything bounced. I did the swr field strength meter test with the LTPU. It could perform a 6 foot toroidal field at 1 foot to 10 feet while an LED was lit coupling off the verticals at a tuned frequency.

While doing the small TDA2003 test I realized I could replace the audio with oscillatory mechanics by moving a microphone  close to a small DC motor/pager motor. I could easily move the mic or dampen the incoming signal through a potentiometer(snubber). This removes the audio component after I found the reverb and harmonics there. The volume potentiometer(Voltage level control) stays but the frequency potentiometer function is replaced with a square wave pulse width adjustment  It is proportional speed control now. Variable harmonic thumping. THe kill switch stays too.

The verticals are in series with the microphone while the motors are in series with the center TPUs, for now. I have an idea to incorporate another spark gap in series with the motor to increase the stadium/verticals input. The microphone is still located at the motor.This gets housed between the aluminum discs for harmonic compression. The previous audio and TCoil test moved the suspended discs. The discs are getting mounts made so that the magnetic field from the speakers reflects inward.
The current setup is multi-phased and previous tests were all open bench experiments and validation. This next configuration needs a container for the antennas in order to capitalize on the greater feedback loop. Its essentially two magnetic parabolic reflectors facing each other and driven from inside using compressed audio and magnetic fields. The harmonic ringing will bounce inside. Pulse Wave Cymatic Tectonics.

I am currently working the design of the container through the router table workflow.

SMs LTPU had two potentiometers and a switch.

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The operation is obvious in the stun gun circuit. The built up charge is snapped out by the spark gap dumping the coil and that cap in one direction, into of the primary of the output transformer of the charge pump stage. The charge pump is the output stage of an Armstrong oscillator in synch with the series LC of the charge pump stage. That energy ejected from the output stage into space is a ridiculous waste. Harvest it by using it to thump resonance in the TPU tank stage. The verticals are part of the tank circuit. There is where the encompassing field resides that is collapsed by the spark gap. The microphone assists as the incoming trigger. The microphone also puts information in the charge field that promotes other harmonics. The spark gap discharge is a broadband EMP. Every inch of copper will read.


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This picture has a double meaning that I later pointed out publicly.

By building it that way I did was to show the relationship between the vertical microphones and the TPU verticals. Also that the horizontals were analogous to the speaker rims but they also can create or read. The speaker center is the center toroid. Set this up as a parallel pair. Two frequencies or one on dual channels that are out phase. Harmonics that amplify need to be snubbed. This all comes from prior art or previous work of others. These segments are easily attachable as one pleases. The previous information points out stages that work already in the real world.


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GK, I assume 'stun gun modules' refer to these dime-a-dozen HV charge pump circuits that you can find everywhere online, usually for under $5.00/ea:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTx8pMHo4jI
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09724L5VK (one of the many random sources)

The full teardown and characterization of the modules in the video will help us a lot when making simulations and designing test/tuning protocols.
Usually they are rated up to around 40-70kv intermittent duty, though I've found they energize around 1v with significantly lower output.



As a small note/tip for using gas discharge tube (GDT's) as a 'spark gap' ->  I have found that GDT's tend to ionize somewhere around 2x their rated voltage.  So a 200v GDT will actually trigger somewhere around 400v, and a 1kv GDT will tend to trigger around 2kv, and so on.
Like spark gaps, they tend to be very noisey compared to solid-state snubbers, with irregular trigger voltages and lots of weird harmonics, which in this case may actually be desirable, or even necessary.. ???


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GK, regarding the 'stun gun' circuit:

Are you using direct off-the-shelf or are you modifying/simplifying as-per pics 2 or 3?


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I use CFL ckts, Harbor freight swatter and some I replace the t092 with a to220 trannies, Stun gun weapon ckts. I even built my own with audio transformers. And ignition coils. I have yet to try mwave trans in the mix. Thats a bit too big for the bench. It need a larger setup like Adrian does. I could do this with the router table cuts for framing.I have yet to find a need for that size unless I need plasma arcing. But these little engines do just fine producing low power EMPs. I just need the bandwidth ejections. I am sure that specific ranges would suffice but that would come under tuning for plasma gases which again I dont need.
SM showed loud white sparkage and there are only two circuits that do that, a charge pump with a sparkgap and the Walton-Cockcroft. Both are fed with an Armstrong oscillator.
This reiteration is for the new comers, if there be any.


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