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Author Topic: Lead-out/Bring-in Energy - gravitational energy  (Read 8861 times)
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This topic deals with the leading-out or brining-in of the gravitational energy that surrounds us.

The first discussion of this concept on record as far as I know is by Mr. Lee Cheung Kin in December 2004 when he stared at his pendulum swinging toy.   Mr. Lee is a Russian Trained Chinese Missile Expert.  He is retired now but still acts as a consultant to the Chinese Military.

Mr. Lawrence Tseung did the mathematics and concluded that two parts of horizontal energy can lead-out one part of vertical or gravitational energy. So long as there is tension in the string, gravitational energy can be lead-out.  The swinging pendulum toy from the market is a readily available prototype.  To convert it to an energy extraction device, the amplitude of the swing should be large and operating at the “hitting the rim” positions.  This can be confirmed by the Milkovic two stage pendulum video 6 seen on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC6Qlj1Mbo8

We shall go into the mathematics in its glorious detail in the following posts.  In this introduction, I shall only say the following:

1.   In Physics, a horizontal force cannot do vertical work as the displacement is at right angles to the force.
2.   In order to do vertical work by a horizontal force, some kind of simple machine such as a pulley needs to be used.  The simple machine converts the horizontal force to a vertical force.
3.   In the particular case of a simple pendulum, a horizontal force can push the pendulum to a new position.  This new position will have both a horizontal displacement and a vertical displacement.
4.   What kind of force is responsible for the vertical displacement?
5.   The answer from the parallelogram of forces is that the tension of the string is responsible for the vertical displacement.  The tension can be resolved into a horizontal and a vertical component.
6.   When we ask the additional question of energy – the horizontal energy is equal to the applied horizontal force x the horizontal displacement.  There is no dispute here.
7.   How about the vertical energy?  One plausible explanation without violating any Laws of Physics is – the vertical energy is equal to the vertical component of the tension x the vertical displacement.  This vertical component of the tension is NOT supplied by the horizontal force.  There is no obvious simple machine conversion here. 
8.   One unconventional thinking is – gravitational energy is actually lead-out or brought-in.  We can then do the mathematics with this view or explanation in mind.
9.   The resulting mathematical result is that two parts of gravitational energy can lead-out one part of gravitational energy!
10.   In other words, when we supply 2 parts of horizontal energy, a total of 3 parts of energy goes into the pendulum system.  If there were no loss, 3 parts of energy will be available to do work.  This represents a COP (coefficient of performance) = Output Energy/Input Energy of 1.5.
11.   Thus the pulse-pushed or pulled pendulum is theoretically an overunity machine.  Most scientists overlooked this important concept.  The two stage Milkovic pendulum shown on Youtube is NOT a fake.  It is solid science.

Since this concept and the mathematical proof are important to all the researchers in the alternative energy field, more posts and explanations will follow.
« Last Edit: 2011-01-15, 22:05:34 by ltseung888 »
   
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The attached file is the simplified explanation of leading-out or bringing-in of graviational energy via a pulse-pushed pendulum.

Study the mathematics carefully.  Repeat the calculation assuming now that the pendulum bob is 100 units and the horizontal force remains at 60 units.

Please work out the new COP again.  Mathematics is funny.  Reading alone will not help in absorbing the concept.  One must actually do it.
   
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Modifying the Pendulum toy to lead-out or bring-in useful energy.

See the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eg21mwXWQ6E

Turn the volume to the highest possible.  Listen to the faint clicking sound at about the half-way mark.  The energy extraction mechanism msut operate at this amplitude to convert the sound energy to some other useful form.

We can improve the situtation with larger solar panel, additional of a storage battery or operate in stronger light.

(Someone recommended to go to lsm.org.  If we can "burn" water, the Judgement Day will be near.)
   
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The pendulum toy with scientific measurements?

Please read:
User Romurouk made a magnetic pendulum‏
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHXSp2qgjfM

The Lead-out/Bring-in energy theory will be further validated with these kind of simple toys!
   
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a possible superposition

   
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This is an attempt to calculate power generate by circular motion with uneven mass.

We have a pendulum supplied with constant motion.  The other side is attached with mass 2.  When the pendulum swing at point 1 and 3, m2 move with highest velocity.  At position 2 and 4, m2 is zero.  The energy per 1/4 cycle is F x d.  The force is the centrifugal component and the distance is the movement of m2.  The component m1v^2/r varies with position.  The distance moved also varies with position.  Therefore, the work function in this case is account for both force and distance variation.  Force and distance function is the exact opposite.  We can model one with sin and the other with cosine or vice versa.

F x d =  (sinxcosx) integrate from 0 to 90.

sinxcosx= 1/2sin2x

 integral (1/2sin2x dx)
let u = 2x
   du= 2 dx
integral (1/4sinu du)  = -1/4 cos u
substitute in angle 0 and 90, we get 1/4 and 0 respectively.   So the energy per quarter cycle is 1/4 of centrifugal force and radius.  That is 1/4 m1v^2.  The energy per cycle is m1v^2 .  The power is m1v^2 x frequency.

   
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http://www.overunity.com/7443/closing-the-loop-on-milkovics-two-stage-mechanical-oscillator/

The above links to the discussion of the Milkovic Pendulum at overunity - making it a close loop.

Comments from overunity.com file is at6tached here.
« Last Edit: 2014-09-16, 10:54:58 by ltseung888 »
   

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The attached file is the simplified explanation of leading-out or bringing-in of graviational energy via a pulse-pushed pendulum.

Study the mathematics carefully.  Repeat the calculation assuming now that the pendulum bob is 100 units and the horizontal force remains at 60 units.

Please work out the new COP again.  Mathematics is funny.  Reading alone will not help in absorbing the concept.  One must actually do it.
I don't see where ths can lead.  You calculate approximately 2 parts of supplied horizontal energy create 1 part of vertical energy, which is a COP of 0.5!  Hardly a route to overunity.  What you missed is that supplying that horizontal force when the pendulum is initially static (at zero degrees inclination) will actually accelerate the bob therefore supplying kinetic energy.  At your displaced angle of 9.46 degrees the bob will not be stationary, it will overshoot due to that kinetic energy.  And that kinetic energy explains the disparity between your horizontal work of 1.61 units and the vertical work of 0.8 units.

To obtain your equilibrium state at 9.46 degrees without any kinetic energy you would need to supply a horizontal force that is not constant over the horizontal displacement, but gradually increases from zero according to the angle.  Then the integration of that force over the displacement would yield a work smaller than your 1.61 units.  And guess what, that integration gives a figure that exactly agrees with the vertical work.  COP = 1.

Smudge

*** Please place your comments at:
http://www.overunity.com/1763/12-times-more-output-than-input-dual-mechanical-oscillation-system/2190/
« Last Edit: 2014-09-16, 10:58:00 by ltseung888 »
   
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