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eatenbyagrue	Re: Romerouk's Muller Replication « Reply #200 on: 2011-05-12, 15:26:11 »
Group: Guest	Quote from: allcanadian on 2011-05-12, 07:58:53 @eatenbyagrueNo, you are talking about OU because it is any easy way for you to justify your belief that we cannot get something for nothing in a closed/isolated system which is obvious. However I believe we, the people here, are talking about a free energy device which will produce energy we do not have to pay for hence the term "free energy". I don't think anyone here gives a damn about your silly OU, we are interested in a free energy device which is non-polluting and sustainable, on the other hand you keep confusing this issue giving the impression that we cannot harness a free energy source because it must be OU which is not the case. Let's be perfectly clear I don't give a damn about OU, I want a device which produces free energy to power my house and car. Regards AC In that case, what you want already exists and there is no need to keep looking for it. Just get yourself enough solar panels and batteries, and you will not need to pay for any more electricity for your house. Non-polluting and sustainable, everything you asked for.

Allcanadian	Re: Romerouk's Muller Replication « Reply #201 on: 2011-05-12, 17:44:24 »
Hero Member Posts: 2661	@eatenbyargue Quote In that case, what you want already exists and there is no need to keep looking for it. Just get yourself enough solar panels and batteries, and you will not need to pay for any more electricity for your house. Non-polluting and sustainable, everything you asked for. Well any fool can do what you suggest however what I am interested in is a free energy device which works 24/7 anywhere which is a little different. Your just a barrel of laughs, first you try to confuse the issue by suggesting free energy is OU, then you suggest we should just buy a conventional system which are very expensive and inefficient --- so really what your suggesting is that we should just hold the status quo or sit on our ass and do nothing, lol, sorry that's not an option considering how screwed up our world is and everyone but you seems to understand this. Maybe you should consider politics where sitting on their ass holding the status quo is considered a way of life, personally I like to improve something every day, the key word here is ----- "IMPROVE" ie " To raise to a more desirable or more excellent quality or condition; make better. ...". Regards AC --------------------------- Comprehend and Copy Nature... Viktor Schauberger “The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool.”― Richard P. Feynman

eatenbyagrue	Re: Romerouk's Muller Replication « Reply #202 on: 2011-05-12, 21:18:44 »
Group: Guest	Quote from: allcanadian on 2011-05-12, 17:44:24 personally I like to improve something every day, the key word here is ----- "IMPROVE" ie " To raise to a more desirable or more excellent quality or condition; make better. ...". OK, then, let's improve solar, wind, etc. But magnet motors? Those are impossible.

MileHigh	Re: Romerouk's Muller Replication « Reply #203 on: 2011-05-13, 00:16:07 »
Group: Guest	I have a soft spot for the solar tower. They were supposed to build a big one in Australia but it didn't happen. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_updraft_tower There must be a lot of land in the US Midwest that could be used for this purpose. Out of sight and producing a lot of power.

iquant	Re: Romerouk's Muller Replication « Reply #204 on: 2011-05-13, 03:34:09 »
Group: Guest	What if he is playing with (100) 1909-1982 copper pennies? Metal Composition: 95% copper, 5% zinc Total Weight: 3.11 grams Using the latest metal prices and the specifications above, these are the numbers required to calculate melt value: $3.9749 = copper price / pound on May 12, 2011. .95 = copper % $0.9753 = zinc price / pound on May 12, 2011. .05 = zinc % 3.11 = total weight in grams .00220462262 = pound/gram conversion factor (see note directly below) The NYMEX uses pounds to price these metals, that means we need to multiply the metal price by .00220462262 to make the conversion to grams. 1. Calculate 95% copper value : (3.9749 × .00220462262 × 3.11 × .95) = $0.0258903 2. Calculate 5% zinc value : (0.9753 × .00220462262 × 3.11 × .05) = $0.0003342 3. Add the two together : $0.0258903 + $0.0003342 = $0.0262245 $0.0262245 is the melt value for the 1909-1982 copper cent on May 12, 2011. Those same 100 pennies can bring in $2.62 Quote from: eatenbyagrue on 2011-05-12, 02:39:21 It is like watching someone playing with 100 pennies, making all sorts of arrangements with them - towers, circles, pyramids, etc. - and hoping they add up to more than a dollar. No matter how you arrange the coins, it will always be a dollar. It is impossible to come up with more. So you are going to constantly get booed down by the guys stacking pennies and saying "wait, if we put this one like this, and stand this one on its edge, and spin this one just this way . . ." Guys, if 100 pennies added up to more than a dollar, this universe would not exist in its current form. If overunity was possible, then everything we know about the basic forces of nature - magnetic, gravitational - would be flat wrong, and I do not see how atoms could even stick together in that world. Just stop it, give it up. I am not an MIB, but really, go research wind or geothermal or something that obeys the laws of physics and get off this pipe dream.

MileHigh	Re: Romerouk's Muller Replication « Reply #205 on: 2011-05-13, 04:36:03 »
Group: Guest	Just to comment on this near-compulsion about Litz wire: Quote Not sure but it didn't even appear he had Litz wire on them. Litz wire is a way of compensating for the skin effect that comes into play at high frequencies. There are no high frequencies present in the motor-generator. This apples to the drive coils and to the generator coils. Forget about the Litz wire. It will make no difference if you use it or not. Next time a project comes up look at what you are trying to accomplish and try to determine if there will be high frequency signals in your design. Look up Litz wire online and get a sense whether or not the specific frequencies that you are concerned with are relevant to what you are doing and make an informed design choice.

eatenbyagrue	Re: Romerouk's Muller Replication « Reply #206 on: 2011-05-13, 05:25:00 »
Group: Guest	Quote from: iquant on 2011-05-13, 03:34:09 Those same 100 pennies can bring in $2.62 Yes, they can bring in that. And if they were all rare collectors pennies, maybe they can bring thousands of dollars. But you know what I mean.

Magluvin	Re: Romerouk's Muller Replication « Reply #207 on: 2011-05-13, 05:26:45 »
Group: Guest	Well, I know you wont believe it MH, but Romero said there was a very noticeable difference with the litz vs solid wire. Do you think it was just for props? Considering you believe it was faked. Mags

PhysicsProf	Re: Romerouk's Muller Replication « Reply #208 on: 2011-05-13, 08:23:14 »
Group: Professor Hero Member Posts: 2995	I interrupt this oft-repeated argument between "all is known" and "more can be known by experiments" to ask a favor -- I'd like to be able to draw a circuit diagram using a computer program -- any suggestions for software out there? I tried one a while found using Google; didn't work out for me. I don't recall the name of it. A simple JT-type circuit is all I need to sketch. Any suggestions? An example, by .99 is attached. About that level of complexity... ------------------------ Romerouk's Muller Replication Schemp99.png (383.67 kB, 1280x800 - viewed 929 times.)

exnihiloest	Re: Romerouk's Muller Replication « Reply #209 on: 2011-05-13, 09:43:48 »
Group: Guest	Quote from: Magluvin on 2011-05-13, 05:26:45 Well, I know you wont believe it MH, but Romero said there was a very noticeable difference with the litz vs solid wire. Do you think it was just for props? Considering you believe it was faked. Mags At high frequencies, the current flows near the surface of the conductors (skin effect). There is a difference only at high frequencies (> Mhz) because the numerous thin threads in the Litz wires permit to increase the conductor surface vs a solid wire.

BEP	Re: Romerouk's Muller Replication « Reply #210 on: 2011-05-13, 10:57:25 »
Group: Guest	PhysicsProf, I have the same need but gave up on multiple drawing programs from the web. They are only a good example of 'you get what you pay for'. Magluvin, The statements about litz wire are true but like so many other subjects beaten into submission on these forums - there is more. Don't bother asking here. You will only be spewed upon. Try to acquire some and experiment yourself. A good source is an old junk solid-state audio amplifier. Many of them used inductors wound with Litz wire. You know, the inductors with the magnets attached to their core. They look almost the same as a small radial-lead electrolytic capacitor. On the pennies.... iquant is correct and provides a fine example of the difference between the folks who run experiments using a simulator, there mind's eye, the calculator or not at all (because they KNOW the outcome beforehand) AND the rest of us. WE MAKE MORE CENTS "You know what I mean"? A question was asked. An answer was supplied. This answer is correct. Will people apply what SHOULD be learned from that exchange? No.

Groundloop	Re: Romerouk's Muller Replication « Reply #211 on: 2011-05-13, 12:43:02 »
Sr. Member Posts: 336	Quote from: MileHigh on 2011-05-13, 04:36:03 Just to comment on this near-compulsion about Litz wire: Litz wire is a way of compensating for the skin effect that comes into play at high frequencies. There are no high frequencies present in the motor-generator. This apples to the drive coils and to the generator coils. Forget about the Litz wire. It will make no difference if you use it or not. Next time a project comes up look at what you are trying to accomplish and try to determine if there will be high frequency signals in your design. Look up Litz wire online and get a sense whether or not the specific frequencies that you are concerned with are relevant to what you are doing and make an informed design choice. Milehigh, What kind of frequency does a square pulse have? (When driving a coil with a square pulse.) GL.

Groundloop	Re: Romerouk's Muller Replication « Reply #212 on: 2011-05-13, 12:44:17 »
Sr. Member Posts: 336	Quote from: PhysicsProf on 2011-05-13, 08:23:14 I interrupt this oft-repeated argument between "all is known" and "more can be known by experiments" to ask a favor -- I'd like to be able to draw a circuit diagram using a computer program -- any suggestions for software out there? I tried one a while found using Google; didn't work out for me. I don't recall the name of it. A simple JT-type circuit is all I need to sketch. Any suggestions? An example, by .99 is attached. About that level of complexity... Prof, I use Windows Paint for simple drawings. For larger projects I use Eagle CAD from www.cadsoft.de GL.

MileHigh	Re: Romerouk's Muller Replication « Reply #213 on: 2011-05-13, 13:18:06 »
Group: Guest	Quote from: Groundloop on 2011-05-13, 12:43:02 Milehigh, What kind of frequency does a square pulse have? (When driving a coil with a square pulse.) GL. Groundloop: I know what you are trying to imply. How about this: You answer the question first and let's discuss it more and see what kind of conclusion we arrive at. MileHigh

Peterae	Re: Romerouk's Muller Replication « Reply #214 on: 2011-05-13, 13:18:46 »
Group: Administrator Hero Member Posts: 3872	I use KiCad open source & Free http://www.lis.inpg.fr/realise_au_lis/kicad/

Peterae	Re: Romerouk's Muller Replication « Reply #215 on: 2011-05-13, 16:03:04 »
Group: Administrator Hero Member Posts: 3872	This is the sort of ferrite he was using from the old inductors used in computer switched PSU's, not sure if these are the right size there are some variations. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/330UH-RF-CHOKE-FERRITE-CORE-/360112267177?pt=UK_ConsumerElectronics_SpecialistRadioEquipment_SM&hash=item53d85d1fa9

exnihiloest	Re: Romerouk's Muller Replication « Reply #216 on: 2011-05-13, 17:29:53 »
Group: Guest	Quote from: PhysicsProf on 2011-05-13, 08:23:14 I interrupt this oft-repeated argument between "all is known" and "more can be known by experiments" to ask a favor -- I'd like to be able to draw a circuit diagram using a computer program -- any suggestions for software out there? I tried one a while found using Google; didn't work out for me. I don't recall the name of it. A simple JT-type circuit is all I need to sketch. Any suggestions? An example, by .99 is attached. About that level of complexity... Why not use the well known LTspice? Not very beautiful drawing but easy to use (2 mn to draw the attached example which can be greatly improved). Moreover it can simulate the circuit both in time and frequency domain. ------------------------ Romerouk's Muller Replication ltspiceExample.jpg (56.18 kB, 923x558 - viewed 759 times.)

duff	Re: Romerouk's Muller Replication « Reply #217 on: 2011-05-13, 17:30:59 »
Group: Guest	Quote from: PhysicsProf on 2011-05-13, 08:23:14 I'd like to be able to draw a circuit diagram using a computer program -- any suggestions for software out there? I tried one a while found using Google; didn't work out for me. I don't recall the name of it. PhysicsProf, I use LTSpice for simulations & schematics. It is less complex than PSpice and it runs on Windows & Linux. http://www.linear.com/designtools/software/ Video Tutiorials: http://claymore.engineer.gvsu.edu/~steriana/Videos/LTSpiceTutorial_PartI_TheBasics.wmv http://claymore.engineer.gvsu.edu/~steriana/Videos/LTSpiceTutorial_PartII_Models.wmv Support: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/LTspice Hope this helps..

giantkiller	Re: Romerouk's Muller Replication « Reply #218 on: 2011-05-13, 18:14:03 »
Group: Elite Experimentalist Hero Member Posts: 1579 Frequency equals matter...	Here's a freebie: http://www.falstad.com/circuit/e-amp-fullrect.html --------------------------- http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/

poynt99	Re: Romerouk's Muller Replication « Reply #219 on: 2011-05-13, 19:31:09 »
Group: Administrator Hero Member Posts: 3213 It's not as complicated as it may seem...	Professor, Do you have Visio? The schematic you showed of mine was made with Visio. LTSpice would be a good option though I think. It is not pretty, but it works. The bonus too is that you could run sims of your circuits if you wished. .99 --------------------------- "Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe." Frank Zappa

PhysicsProf	Re: Romerouk's Muller Replication « Reply #220 on: 2011-05-13, 20:16:10 »
Group: Professor Hero Member Posts: 2995	Quote from: duff on 2011-05-13, 17:30:59 PhysicsProf, I use LTSpice for simulations & schematics. It is less complex than PSpice and it runs on Windows & Linux. http://www.linear.com/designtools/software/ Video Tutiorials: http://claymore.engineer.gvsu.edu/~steriana/Videos/LTSpiceTutorial_PartI_TheBasics.wmv http://claymore.engineer.gvsu.edu/~steriana/Videos/LTSpiceTutorial_PartII_Models.wmv Support: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/LTspice Hope this helps.. Wow, great! I watched most of the claymore... tutorial. This is just what I need. However, when I tried to download and run the LTSpice on my Mac, it says it won't run on a DOS machine. Is there a version for Mac??

poynt99	Re: Romerouk's Muller Replication « Reply #221 on: 2011-05-13, 20:29:07 »
Group: Administrator Hero Member Posts: 3213 It's not as complicated as it may seem...	That's one of the possible limitations when you're in the MAC world professor. There are not a lot of "technical" programs out there for them, and certainly few if any that are free. Hopefully someone here will know where to find something either free or inexpensive. .99 --------------------------- "Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe." Frank Zappa

Chef	Re: Romerouk's Muller Replication « Reply #222 on: 2011-05-13, 20:46:51 »
Jr. Member Posts: 69	Professor http://www.macspice.com/ This one require to learn the way you input the circuits, which make it may harder to learn. Tutorials available at the site also. --------------------------- "A designer knows he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away." Antoine de Saint-Exupery

BEP	Re: Romerouk's Muller Replication « Reply #223 on: 2011-05-13, 21:54:03 »
Group: Guest	Prof, Chef's suggestion is a great one. If that doesn't work for you, look into Windows emulators. The emulator called 'Wine' is solid and supports multiple versions of LtSpice. ( http://wiki.winehq.org/MacOSX ) You need to make sure it fits your OS version. I ran the *Nix version on multiple servers for years just so I wouldn't have to take up residence in the NOC for the usual midnight WindBlow$ crashes and reboots. I have a single laptop at home using Micro$not without OpenBSD as the base OS. My BSD boxes run AutoCad, LtSpice and numerous other complex software over Wine without any issues. Just the same.... take a look at Chef's suggestion first.

MileHigh	Re: Romerouk's Muller Replication « Reply #224 on: 2011-05-13, 23:36:33 »
Group: Guest	AC: Quote I can say with 100% certainty. Sorry if that is a downer for the hopeful souls out there hoping for their Garden of Eden. The output of the device is magnets cutting their flux through coils. No free energy here because the device operates in perfect harmony with Nature. >>>> LOL, I could fill a few libraries with the names of the critics who were 100% certain that a new technology could never work and history has proven more often than not the critics were dead wrong. Oh we have scams and errors here and there where they were correct but more often than not the critics have been completely misguided in there opinions concerning new technologies that have really improved science and technology -- so you are in good company. There is no new technology here. When an issue comes up your tactic is to cite examples from unrelated subjects and then try to draw an analogy with the current subject at hand. The current subject at hand is that a magnet moving past a pick-up coil is under unity and it has nothing to do with the "few libraries" that you could fill. As Exnihiloest stated shortly afterward, this is a case of "Failure to Learn" and "Ignore the Lesson" on the part of the experimenters on OU. They have been thrown off the path by Romero's clips and we are going to watch the drama play out. Romero will also be watching the drama play out. Quote I understand what you are saying however I am not bound by your limitations as I am an inventor, that is I have made substantial improvements in many areas of technology which is not considered normal. All we have to do is ask a simple question --- have you ever improved any technology in any way? I suppose I helped improve technology when I helped design a "3D" stereo-vision system that allows surgeons to perform minimally invasive surgery with a heads-up type display or when I helped design a real-time processing system for inspecting flat panel displays for LCD and plasma display manufacturing plants in Asia. As far as your substantial improvements go, I think that you should consult with your peers to see what they think. I get a sense that your "substantial improvements" are similar to the "discoveries" that happen on the free energy forums all the time. Magluvin: Quote Well, I know you wont believe it MH, but Romero said there was a very noticeable difference with the litz vs solid wire. Do you think it was just for props? I would guess that more than 95% of the experimenters don't understand the why's and how-to's for Litz wire. They just think that they are supposed to use it so that's what they do. And no, I don't buy what Romero said about Litz wire. The real thing for an experimenter to do is make an "A-B test" on a coil with and without Litz wire if they doubt what I say and share their results with the open source community. The frequency issues are a little bit complicated so the easiest thing to do is do the A-B test. MileHigh

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